I have a question on naming customs. I'm working on the Benders of Kirchardt and have found that on several occassions where a wife has died and the husband remarried, that they named a child born to different mothers with the same father the same name. I have found two Wolffgang Benders in the same line and two Anna Catharina's in the same line born to different mothers with the same father. I have also found children who died and the next child received the dead child's name, but these children are very much alive. Has anyone else come across this? I would also appreciate some clarification to the term " grundbauren" if I have the spelling right. The word for ground and farmer, I read somewhere that it meant they were larger land holding farmers. I have a few translation books, but do not find the term in them. Thank you and thank you for the information on the marriage customs. Mark S. Painter

Would there be any ENDERS First time post to this sight. Thank You, Dee usa SC

On the naming conventions I have some examples where a young new child is named for an older married and gone from the house older sibling.  Some the births spanned over 20 years for a father with different wives.    Laura >________________________________ > From: Mark Painter <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:28 AM >Subject: [BW] Naming Customs > >I have a question on naming customs. I'm working on the Benders of >Kirchardt and have found that on several occassions where a wife has died >and the husband remarried, that they named a child born to different >mothers with the same father the same name. I have found two Wolffgang >Benders in the same line and two Anna Catharina's in the same line born to >different mothers with the same father. I have also found children who died >and the next child received the dead child's name, but these children are >very much alive. Has anyone else come across this? I would also appreciate >some clarification to the term " grundbauren" if I have the spelling right. >The word for ground and farmer, I read somewhere that it meant they were >larger land holding farmers. I have a few translation books, but do not >find the term in them. Thank you and thank you for the information on the >marriage customs. Mark S. Painter > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Paul, No Hirtzel 7 Reichles 6 Gotzingers Send some given names Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:37 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Lookup Request > Marvin, > > Are there any Hirtzel folks in the index? > > Are there any Reichle folks? > > Any Gotzinger folks? > > Thanks very much. > > best, > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great! Johann + Johann Karl + both Jacobs ... many thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BW] Zürn - Zorn Jim, Which guy do you want ? Zürn, Georg Michael Zürn, Johann Zürn, Johann Karl Zürn, Karl Zorn, Georg Zorn, Jakob Zorn, Jakob Zorn, Karl Zorn, Mathias Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Zurn" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:41 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BW] Raab list > Thank you in advance - Are there any Zurn, Zuern, Zorn (s) on the RAAB > list? Very best regards, Jim Zurn > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This message and any attached documents contain information from QLogic Corporation or its wholly-owned subsidiaries that may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute, or use this information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message.

Marvin...Are there any Rappold's or Legron's listed...Thank you Carol

Nancy, There is only one, but it's really sad. Sorry Marvin Hoerig in WI Name--------------------- Wickenhauser Birth Place--------------- Record-------------------40000051095 Number------------------36651 Name Variation---------- Residence---------------- Profession----------------Militär, Korporal Sex-------------------------m Nationality-----------------D Age------------------------- Year Incarcerated---------1849 Country of Origin--------- Region--------------------- Revolutionary Army------Yes Militia---------------------- Single----------------------- Married--------------------- Biography------------------Angeblich am Gefecht bei Hemsbach beteiligt (238 / 2077*: 6-7 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nancy Fleek" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:30 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60 > Marvin in WI, > Are there any Wickenhiser/Wickenhauser from Sinsheim, Baden on the > list? > > Thank you, > Nancy

Hello, Kindly check out the name Appel, Apple, Apfel. Heinrich Appel was born 1839 and Charles Appel born about 1833/34 according to 1880 census Heidelberg, Germany The family was supposed to be land owners and came to the U.S. before 1854 because of the revolutionary war of 1848. I know nothing about their lives in Germany. Apparently, other family members joined them coming to the U.S. and my husband's family stayed in NYC area and other relatives went west, never found out what their names are or how many their were. Thank you very much for your time. Jeanne C. Appel St. Louis, Mo.

Hi Marvin: How about the name Marx? I don't know what city my ancestor was from but maybe family members will be listed in the index. Thanks!! Sheri Prager Sebastopol, California

Yes, Jon, Johann Adam Lipp is my direct ancestor, from Sinsheim. Russ Lipp Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:29 PM, jonbar <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Russ, > > did you miss my mail with entries from the Grossherzoglich > Badisches Anzeigeblatt for - > > Heinrich Lipp whose was wanted or was having his wanted notice withdrawn > in 1849 > > Heinrich Carl Lipp from Sinsheim born 1824 who did not report for > military duty in 1849 (Page 54) and > > Johann Adam Lipp from Sinsheim born 1825 who did not report for military > duty in 1849 (page 55) > > Is this last one your ancestor? > > Or did I miss your mail? > > Jon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, I found no Conrad Herder on the list. Might you be interested in a Konrad Harder ? Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Herder" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:37 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BW] RAAB Index - BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60 > Marvin, > > I would certainly appreciate it if you would look for the name Conrad > Herder (Herter) on the RAAB Index. > He was born in 1822. I do not have the name of the closest town, only > Baden-Wurttemberg. He left for the USA in about 1853. I have no other > information, having hit a brick wall many years ago. > Thank You, very much > > Bill Herder > Boonville, Missouri, USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Marvin: I am in no hurry at all. Would you mind looking up please for Stahler, Steiner and Schlienger? Thank you Walk in peace, Linn On 03/17/12, Marvin Hoerig<[email protected]> wrote: Peter et al, Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison at Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. Most records fall between these two extremes. I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and ancestor that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. Here are a few facts about these records: More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden Country of origin is usually listed Listed residences are not necessarily birth places Few records show a birth place Few records show an age Even fewer records show a birth date Spelling of names is often different than expected The majority of prisoners were male, but not all The majority were German, but not all Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all Year of incarceration is almost always listed Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted Marital status is seldom noted If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with the interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given name as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you can furnish, the easier my job will be. There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich or at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. Marvin Hoerig ------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Elias" <[1][email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM To: <[2][email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > [3]http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 > > Peter Elias > > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [4][email protected] wrote: > >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Chuck >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BADEN[5][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Peter Elias > ************ > > [6]http://petereliasmd.com > [7]http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BADEN[8][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN[9][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. mailto:[email protected] 6. http://petereliasmd.com/ 7. http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ 8. mailto:[email protected] 9. mailto:[email protected]

Marvin, What does the D stand for under nationality and as far as the Bibliography, what does that translate to and is that something I can go look at to get more information? Thank you! Nancy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BW] Wickenhauser Nancy, There is only one, but it's really sad. Sorry Marvin Hoerig in WI Name--------------------- Wickenhauser Birth Place--------------- Record-------------------40000051095 Number------------------36651 Name Variation---------- Residence---------------- Profession----------------Militär, Korporal Sex-------------------------m Nationality-----------------D Age------------------------- Year Incarcerated---------1849 Country of Origin--------- Region--------------------- Revolutionary Army------Yes Militia---------------------- Single----------------------- Married--------------------- Biography------------------Angeblich am Gefecht bei Hemsbach beteiligt (238 / 2077*: 6-7 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nancy Fleek" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:30 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60 > Marvin in WI, > Are there any Wickenhiser/Wickenhauser from Sinsheim, Baden on the > list? > > Thank you, > Nancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry. Friederich Christoph Reichle Leonard Christoph Reichle Leonard Bathasar Reichle Conrad Gotzinger Thanks. Paul On Dé Máirt, 20 Márta, 2012, at 07:34, Marvin Hoerig wrote: > Paul, > > No Hirtzel > 7 Reichles > 6 Gotzingers > > Send some given names > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:37 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [BW] RAAB Index Lookup Request > >> Marvin, >> >> Are there any Hirtzel folks in the index? >> >> Are there any Reichle folks? >> >> Any Gotzinger folks? >> >> Thanks very much. >> >> best, >> Paul >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karen, There are no prisoners named Muhr on the list -------------------------------------------------- From: "Karen Moore" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:48 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, RAAB Index Lookup Request > Martin, > > Thank you for your generous offer. > > Could you look up the name Jacob MUHR in the Raab Index. > > Thank you. > > Karen Moore >

PLEASE. I am so grateful. chris -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne av jonbar Sendt: 19. mars 2012 21:12 Til: [email protected] Emne: [BW] Hasenstab Hi Chris, Johann Hasenstab from Sinsheim born 1825 didn´t report for army duty in 1850. (Many didn´t after the revolutions) I can send you a scan of the entry if you wish. Jon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig, There are no Gaugers listed. Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Gauger" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:01 PM To: "B-W Roots Web" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > > Marvin, Are there any GAUGERs listed? Danke sehr. Craig

-------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Gauger" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:01 PM To: "B-W Roots Web" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > > Marvin, Are there any GAUGERs listed? Danke sehr. Craig > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:57:00 -0500 >> Subject: [BW] RAAB Index >> >> Peter et al, >> >> Heinrich Raab compiled a list of prisoners that were held at the prison >> at >> Rastatt, Baden - Fort A - during the Baden Revolution in 1848 and 1849. >> There are 38,431 persons listed. Some records show nearly no information >> about the prisoner - last name only, sex, and nationality, which is very >> disappointing. Others records are treasure trove of genealogical >> information that may even include a detailed biography of the prisoner. >> Most records fall between these two extremes. >> >> I have a copy of Raab's list and have been doing look-ups for people for >> years. In the hundreds of look-ups I've done, there have been some very >> rewarding discoveries, where some one learned something about and >> ancestor >> that tore down a brick wall for them. These finds are my reward. >> >> Here are a few facts about these records: >> >> More than 1/2 the prisoners were from Baden >> Country of origin is usually listed >> Listed residences are not necessarily birth places >> Few records show a birth place >> Few records show an age >> Even fewer records show a birth date >> Spelling of names is often different than expected >> The majority of prisoners were male, but not all >> The majority were German, but not all >> Most were between 18 and 50 years old, but not all >> Year of incarceration is almost always listed >> Membership in the Revolutionary Army or Militia may be noted >> Marital status is seldom noted >> >> >> If some records show little useful information, it should be kept in mind >> that the information was, no doubt, gathered from a single source - - the >> prisoner himself. This source may have been less than cooperative with >> the >> interrogator when facing a visit to Fort A. >> >> I will do look-ups for anyone that thinks their ancestor might be on this >> list. I ask only that you give me only one surname per request. If the >> surname is a common name (Schmidt, Mueller, Meyer), I will need a given >> name >> as well and any other information you have on the person. If you have >> several spelling variations, include them also. The more information you >> can furnish, the easier my job will be. >> >> There are no guarantees of success but, who knows, we may strike it rich >> or >> at least uncover an important clue to an ancestor's past. >> >> Marvin Hoerig >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Peter Elias" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index >> >> > http://www.amazon.com/Heinrich-Raab/e/B001K75GL0 >> > >> > Peter Elias >> > >> > On 2012.03.16, at 11:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> > >> >> Does anyone know what "Rabb's Index" is? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > Peter Elias >> > ************ >> > >> > http://petereliasmd.com >> > http://www.pheski.smugmug.com/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Norma, There are 9 Hamms - - which one do you want ? Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > Please can you check if there is HAMM from Baden. Thanks Norma > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

Barbara, There is one Gottlieb Ziebold and also one Josef Zebold Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Barbara Coakley" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:04 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RAAB Index > Martin would you please check Ziebold?