In the late 1800's in America the same thing happened. My great grandmother's sister (Amelia) died after having a son. Then her other sister (Anna) married their brother-in-law. The brother -in-law was 75 when he married Amelia and 78 when he married Anna. He did not marry Amelia to take care of his children though -- he had grandchildren when he married her. But he probably married Anna to take care of his youngest son (by Amelia). Anna died only after seven years of marriage, so my great grandparents then adopted the son. Barbara Bower Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:29:34 -0400 > From: Mark Painter <[email protected]> > Subject: [BW] Marriage Customs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm curious to know how common it was for older men to marry younger women > in the early 1700's in Baden. I have a Christoph Bender born 1658 who owned > a farm near Kirchardt, he married when young and had several children. In > 1710 it appears he married again at age 50 to a woman 18 years old and had > another family. The marriage record stated he was a widower. I thought > there may have been a younger Christoph in the area, but to date I've found > no other's in the area or surrounding villages. He died in 1731 at age 71, > she in 1735 at age 43, a difference of 28 years. I had an American ancestor > who did this but as society was much more controlled in Baden in those days > I'm curious of how this would have been seen. > Mark > > >

Bonnie, I haven't had a reply yet. Carole Crismon Cook -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bonnie Vollink Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BW] Christmann Carole, Are there Chrisman's on the list. Bonnie Chrisman Vollink ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Helen, It's interesting, but of all the cousins I have been able to make contact with, only two or three had a Fullmer relative somewhere in my line and none of them have the surname Fullmer. Especially with all of the Fullmer's who lived in DE and PA, you'd think I'd be able to find a Fullmer descendant. Someday, perhaps? My Fullmer line appears to have originated in Hesse Darmstadt. Take care, Karen On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Helen <[email protected]> wrote: > Karen, > > No, it doesn't look like it. Shucks! I am in NJ, too, and I have a John > Vollmer in Newark. He was from Birkenfeld, Württemberg. He married > Christiana Wolfinger, who was also from Birkenfeld and her sister, Justina, > was my 2G-grandmother. Was hoping I had found a cousin. > > Helen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nancy, I am afraid I havn´t found any, but I´ll make a more thorough check when I have more time. I am constructing one large index from around 80 indexes. I am upto 11,000 names but there are many more to go. Jon

Sheri, I have Michael Marx (the younger) from Oehlinsweiler under arrest 1847 217 Raphael Marx was settling debts in 1848 498 Jon

Karen, No, it doesn't look like it. Shucks! I am in NJ, too, and I have a John Vollmer in Newark. He was from Birkenfeld, Württemberg. He married Christiana Wolfinger, who was also from Birkenfeld and her sister, Justina, was my 2G-grandmother. Was hoping I had found a cousin. Helen

Also Jeanne Moses Apfel from Siegelsbach born 1824 didn´t report for army duty in 1849 88 Jon

Jeanne, I am not sure if this will help you, but it may give you somewhere to search Georg Heinrich Appel from Plankstadt, near to Schwetzingen born in 1824 didn´t report for army duty in 1848 1375 Jon

Paul, Leo Reichle was a soldier on the run from the VIII infantry regiment in 1850 641 Jon

Carol, Martin Rappold was settling debts in 1849. This could be bankrupcy or a prelimary for emigration. 197 Jon

Stuart, Depending on the era, river travel or wagon was the only way. There were many riverboats up the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers until the late 1800s. He probably went there because there was family there. At 06:43 PM 3/20/2012, you wrote: >From: Stuart Bechman <[email protected]> > >I have a couple of emigration records of possible ancestors living >(in their time) in Cincinnati, OH that allegedly came from Baden to >New Orleans before ending up in Cincinnati. But I have been very >skeptical that someone would emigrate to Cincinnati through New >Orleans: New York or Philadelphia would seem far more reasonable, >but I have so far not found similar records of family members coming >through those ports. > >Does anyone on this list have reason to accept such a claim? Why >would someone travel from New Orleans to Cincinnati to settle when >there were so many other more convenient towns along the way to homestead? > >-Stuart ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f6930fe61c4923c7bdast05vuc

Dear Helen: I have 5 John Fullmer's in my tree. My Fullmer's started out in Wilmington, Delaware (4th ggrandfather was John Fullmer who died in DE in 1828), moved to Beverly, Massachusetts circa 1868, and then to Philadelphia circa 1880. One great grand uncle John Fullmer did move to NJ and died in Riverside in 1940. His wife was Jeanne Wood, AKA Jennie. None of the records I have found list the name as Vollmer - all my records are Fullmer. Any match? Regards, Karen Moore On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Helen <[email protected]> wrote: > Karen - was your John Vollmer in NJ? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karen - was your John Vollmer in NJ?

Patricia, Georg Mathias Rahm from Siegelsbach born 1828 didn´t report for army duty 1849 88 Jon

Marilyn, I have over 20 Ruf / Ruff entries. Can you be more specific? Jon

Marilyn, Georg Engler was settling debts in 1849 251 Georg Karl Engler from Kondringen born 1826 didn´t report for army duty 1849 120 Otto Engler was settling debts in 1847 848 Wilhelm Engler was wanted in 1849 869 Franz Simon Engler was a political refugee (Revolutionary) 1850 166182 219 Friedrich Engler from Thenningen (now Tenningen) had deserted from the 1st Infantry regiment 1850 869 Jon

Dear Marvin, I'd like to try the other side of my family, if I may. Please try Fullmer / Volmer / Vollmer - first name John (or Johann). Thank you again for your generosity. Karen Moore in NJ

In the period from about 1820 until 1870 there were three basic ways to get to the Indiana/Ohio areas. The obvious was to hook horses or oxen to a wagon and go over land. By the mid 1800 there were roads that crossed from the east coast to Indiana. This was a long and difficult trip. From mid century on they may have taken the railroad. If they came into New York, the could take a steamboat north to Albany and pick up the Erie Canal. They would take the Erie Canal to Buffalo. At Buffalo the would pick up a schedule steamship to Toledo. From Toledo the would take the Wabash and Erie Canal and then the Miami Erie canal to Cincinnati. By the the mid 1800's they may have made part of these legs by railroad. For the rest of the east coast cities they would have to rely on the railroad for the trip, either completely to Cincinnati. or to Pittsburgh where the could take a steamboat down to Cincinnati. If they came into New Orleans they could have taken the railroad north to Cincinnati, Or they could have take an steam boat up the Mississippi River into the Ohio River to Cincinnati. I have a family the emigrated from Germany. They left Bremen on Nov 2, 1847 and arrive: New Orleans on Jan 25 1848. Based on the stories of other immigrants arriving in New Orleans, I assume they left New Orleans and travel to Indiana by steamboat on the Mississippi and Ohio rivers. Near Evansville they took as second steamboat up the Wabash river to the head of navigation at Lafayette. There the boarded a canal boat to finished their trip to Fort Wayne on the Wabash and Erie canal. It is my understanding the rate by cost Roads were most expensive in time and expense. Railroad next followed by Canal and steamboat and Steam ship. The trips by steam boat were probably the most pleasant followed by the trips on the canal. Personally I think I would have preferred those routes by steamboat and canal, as they would be cleanest, and most pleasant. A person having been on the ocean for nearly three months would have thought they were in heaven as the steamboat glided up river, or the canal boat was pulled through the fertile fields of Indiana and Ohio both covering many 30 apparently effortless miles per day. You can see the advantages of the canal at http://www.terrypepper.com/w&e/ Or if you are in southern Indiana actually ride on a horse pulled canal boat over a aqueduct at Metamora. On 3/20/2012 6:01 PM, Stuart Bechman wrote: > I have a couple of emigration records of possible ancestors living (in their time) in Cincinnati, OH that allegedly came from Baden to New Orleans before ending up in Cincinnati. But I have been very skeptical that someone would emigrate to Cincinnati through New Orleans: New York or Philadelphia would seem far more reasonable, but I have so far not found similar records of family members coming through those ports. > > Does anyone on this list have reason to accept such a claim? Why would someone travel from New Orleans to Cincinnati to settle when there were so many other more convenient towns along the way to homestead? > > -Stuart >> I have trying to find out where in Baden, Germany my gGrandfather, Valentin Mueller was born. He was born Jan. 1835, he left Germany for la Harve, France around 1855 and came to the United States through New Orleans, La. He arrived in Jan. 1857. He made his way to St Louis, Mo. He settled there, married Henreitta Gihr, they had seven children, he had a dairy farm. >> He died in St. Louis in 1906. >> Bill Mueller > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As late as the Civil War steam ships would come out of Shreveport travel south 250+ miles to New Orleans on the Red River then head north to St Louis on the Mississippi. FYI The Colorado, Ohio, and Missouri rivers flow into the Mississippi River then travel to New Orleans. One can cover quite a bit of country on the Mississipi. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Gauger Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:22 PM To: B-W Roots Web Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 86 Back then that was a reasonable way to get there as the primary mode of travel was by water. The Mississippi River is joined by the Ohio River and goes right by Cincinnati. C > From: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:01:18 -0700 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 86 > > I have a couple of emigration records of possible ancestors living (in their time) in Cincinnati, OH that allegedly came from Baden to New Orleans before ending up in Cincinnati. But I have been very skeptical that someone would emigrate to Cincinnati through New Orleans: New York or Philadelphia would seem far more reasonable, but I have so far not found similar records of family members coming through those ports. > > Does anyone on this list have reason to accept such a claim? Why would someone travel from New Orleans to Cincinnati to settle when there were so many other more convenient towns along the way to homestead? > > -Stuart > > > > I have trying to find out where in Baden, Germany my gGrandfather, Valentin Mueller was born. He was born Jan. 1835, he left Germany for la Harve, France around 1855 and came to the United States through New Orleans, La. He arrived in Jan. 1857. He made his way to St Louis, Mo. He settled there, married Henreitta Gihr, they had seven children, he had a dairy farm. > > He died in St. Louis in 1906. > > Bill Mueller > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had heard that people came through Canada as the fare was cheaper to Canada than New York. Perhaps the fare to New Orleans was cheaper than New York also. Just a thought. Elsie -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Bechman Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BW] BADEN-WURTTEMBERG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 86 I have a couple of emigration records of possible ancestors living (in their time) in Cincinnati, OH that allegedly came from Baden to New Orleans before ending up in Cincinnati. But I have been very skeptical that someone would emigrate to Cincinnati through New Orleans: New York or Philadelphia would seem far more reasonable, but I have so far not found similar records of family members coming through those ports. Does anyone on this list have reason to accept such a claim? Why would someone travel from New Orleans to Cincinnati to settle when there were so many other more convenient towns along the way to homestead? -Stuart > > I have trying to find out where in Baden, Germany my gGrandfather, > Valentin Mueller was born. He was born Jan. 1835, he left Germany for la > Harve, France around 1855 and came to the United States through New > Orleans, La. He arrived in Jan. 1857. He made his way to St Louis, Mo. > He settled there, married Henreitta Gihr, they had seven children, he had > a dairy farm. > He died in St. Louis in 1906. > Bill Mueller ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message