Any possibility of finding a name like this on the Raab Index? Also, any Löttmann's? Thanks in advance, Kathy

Excellent, thank you for all these great resources! jim On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Barbara A. H. Nuehring < [email protected]> wrote: > Greeting All, > > On 25-Mar-12 11:43, Jim Gorman wrote: > > I find it extremely difficult for me to read the German script and I don > not speak Germany so it took forever to figure out words. > Indeed, Elsie's article is a great resource to keep on hand. > > Here are some other sources for learning how to read German > handwritten records that you may find helpful: > > BYU has an excellent German Script Tutorial online. It is free. > The website is: http://script.byu.edu/german/en/welcome.aspx > > The Family History Library has three free15-minutes lessons on > German handwriting as well as courses/lessons on various aspects > of researching German records. > The URLs for reading old handwriting are: > > https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwritten-records-lesson-1-kurrent-letters/69 > and > > https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwritten-records-lesson-2-making-words-in-kurrent/70 > and > > https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwritten-records-lesson-3-reading-kurrent-documents/71 > > You can download a PDF of the Family History Resource Guide > "Handwriting Guide: German Gothic" from > > https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/c/ca/German_Gothic_Handwriting_Guide.pdf > > And this website "teaches" German handwriting: > http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Englisch/Sutterlin.htm > > > Regards from a Roots Hunter, > Barbara > > > > -- > Barbara A. H. Nuehring > For a genealogist, hunting season is all year long. > Hunting for: SCHOBER, GEIGER, BUDE, HENKE > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That is really odd. I just searched for my GGreat Grandfather, Ezechiel Herter and a search with just Herter and he didn't appear. Castle Garden is where I found him originally that eventually led to my Moessingen connections. I even recall the date: Dec 1 1860 and the ship: Bark Jubilaeum. Keep us apprised as to the castlegarden.org response. Jim Herter Lonesome Oak Business Development Group (269) 414-2230 http://jherter.wordpress.com/ ________________________________ From: Walter Blenderman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 10:47:31 AM Subject: Re: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. Jim and All, Just as a heads-up: I recently searched the Castle Garden site, and could NOT find some entries that I had found previously. Something strange is going on there. I wrote them to ask why my earlier finds were missing, but they haven't answered. Walter G. Blenderman On Mar 26, 2012, at 3:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jim Herter <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Morris: > > I did a search on the castlegarden.org site and found several Felders but no > Ricard Leopold. Castle Garden was the processing center before Ellis Island in > NYC. > > Possibly New Orleans!? > > > > You wrote: Trying to find on what ship my relative used to come to America > around 1851-1853?? > Ricard Leopold Felder applied for immigration in 1851 from Baden,Germany > > . > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ************************************************************************************ "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benj. Franklin, 1776. Walter G. Blenderman, Lynn K. Blenderman, N. Plainfield, NJ, USA **mailto:[email protected]*******************************http://www.blenderman.net** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks. I'll have to go back and try my confirmed relatives to see if the same exists. Jim Herter Lonesome Oak Business Development Group (269) 414-2230 http://jherter.wordpress.com/ ________________________________ From: Walter Blenderman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 10:47:31 AM Subject: Re: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. Jim and All, Just as a heads-up: I recently searched the Castle Garden site, and could NOT find some entries that I had found previously. Something strange is going on there. I wrote them to ask why my earlier finds were missing, but they haven't answered. Walter G. Blenderman On Mar 26, 2012, at 3:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jim Herter <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Morris: > > I did a search on the castlegarden.org site and found several Felders but no > Ricard Leopold. Castle Garden was the processing center before Ellis Island in > NYC. > > Possibly New Orleans!? > > > > You wrote: Trying to find on what ship my relative used to come to America > around 1851-1853?? > Ricard Leopold Felder applied for immigration in 1851 from Baden,Germany > > . > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ************************************************************************************ "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benj. Franklin, 1776. Walter G. Blenderman, Lynn K. Blenderman, N. Plainfield, NJ, USA **mailto:[email protected]*******************************http://www.blenderman.net** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jim Herter Lonesome Oak Business Development Group (269) 414-2230 http://jherter.wordpress.com/ ________________________________ From: Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 9:46:17 AM Subject: Re: [BW] Herter Hey Jim, Sorry, not much here. Just two and a half guys. Herter, no given name from Kirchen, Baden Herter, Karl no residence of country Herter, Michael a Schneider from Konstanz, Baden Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Herter" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:09 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] Raab Index ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I recommend a YAHOO! group called transcribe. It is a free service for people who have problems transcribing old German documents, parish records... Here is the URL: http://www.transcribe-group.com/ The list owner can be emailed at [email protected] The YAHOO! group page is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transcribe/   To make use of the service, one must upload one page documents to the website. Volunteers transcribe and/or translate from the old German.  I have used this service several times with excellent results.    Annette Vliet nee Blum ________________________________ From: James Gorman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [BW] reading the old German script Excellent,  thank you for all these great resources! jim On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Barbara A. H. Nuehring < [email protected]> wrote: > Greeting All, > > On 25-Mar-12 11:43, Jim Gorman wrote: > > I find it extremely difficult for me to read the German script and I don > not speak Germany so it took forever to figure out words. > Indeed, Elsie's article is a great resource to keep on hand. > > Here are some other sources for learning how to read German > handwritten records that you may find helpful: > > BYU has an excellent German Script Tutorial online. It is free. > The website is: http://script.byu.edu/german/en/welcome.aspx > > The Family History Library has three free15-minutes lessons on > German handwriting as well as courses/lessons on various aspects > of researching German records. > The URLs for reading old handwriting are: > > https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwritten-records-lesson-1-kurrent-letters/69 > and > > https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwritten-records-lesson-2-making-words-in-kurrent/70 > and > > https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwritten-records-lesson-3-reading-kurrent-documents/71 > > You can download a PDF of the Family History Resource Guide > "Handwriting Guide: German Gothic" from > > https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/c/ca/German_Gothic_Handwriting_Guide.pdf > > And this website "teaches" German handwriting: > http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Englisch/Sutterlin.htm > > > Regards from a Roots Hunter, > Barbara > > > > -- > Barbara A. H. Nuehring > For a genealogist, hunting season is all year long. > Hunting for: SCHOBER, GEIGER, BUDE, HENKE > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jon Thank you for your information.  Joseph Loesch could be my Joseph.  I found him listed on the 1850 Maryland census.  I can not find any inforamtion on how he got here or the exact date he arrived.  I do know he arrived the same time as his brother Jeremiah. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonbar" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 3:29:48 PM Subject: [BW] Loesch Mary, I have Christian and wife emigrated 1846 819 Euphrosina Loech went bankrupt 1849 234 392 Gervas Loesch born 1824 from Breisach didn´t report for army duty 1849 119 Heinrich Loesch was deported from Baden 1846 1062 Joseph Loesch born 1824 from Griessheim near to Staufen didn´t report for army duty in 1849 19 Lorent Loesch was invited to collect his inheritance 1848 957 Jon   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If he arrived in NY, have you checked Ellis Island? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:42:42 +0000 > Subject: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. > > Dear List: > > Trying to find on what ship my relative used to come to America around 1851-1853?? > Ricard Leopold Felder applied for immigration in 1851 from Baden,Germany > I presume he came to America aroud that time but cannot find what ship he used > Does anyone know of a website that would give me information. > He did have a brother living in New Jersey at that time etc. > Any help will be appreciated. > > Morris Felder > New Orleans, Louisiana > . > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marvin, Thank you for checking. I will look to see if Herman, Jacob or Jean Josef are connected in any way to Andreas. Then I will contact you again. Elizabeth On 25/03/2012 1:53 AM, Marvin Hoerig wrote: > Elizabeth, > > There are 3 Jansens on the list. Hermann, Jakob,& Jean Josef > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Elizabeth"<[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:48 AM > To:<[email protected]> > Subject: [BW] RE Raab Index > >> Hello Marvin. >> >> Could you please check for Andreas Janson in the Raab Index. >> >> Elizabeth >>

Keith, Actually, the ISTG is mostly a collection of ship passenger lists that individuals transcribed for their own research. It is far from a complete list. The information at CastleGarden.org is much more complete for New York entries starting in 1820 through 1892 when Ellis Island opened, but lacks the images. However, the LDS have digitized those same images (not indexed) at FamilySearch. See for New York https://familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://familysearch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1849782 and for New Orleans https://familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://familysearch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1916009 At 07:03 PM 3/25/2012, you wrote: >From: keith nuttle <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >There are two sites that I am aware of for getting passenger information. > >The first requires a subscription to Ancestry but you can get images of >the actual passenger manifest. > >The other is through http://www.immigrantships.net/ > >These are some times transcriptions. > > > >On 3/25/2012 11:42 AM, Morris Felder wrote: > > Dear List: > > > > Trying to find on what ship my relative used to come to America > around 1851-1853?? > > Ricard Leopold Felder applied for immigration in 1851 from Baden,Germany > > I presume he came to America aroud that time but cannot find what > ship he used > > Does anyone know of a website that would give me information. > > He did have a brother living in New Jersey at that time etc. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > > Morris Felder > > New Orleans, Louisiana > > ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f6fdc85471e3acbb18st02duc

Hello Carol, Josepha Rinderle was wanted in 1846 793 Jon

Mary, I have Christian and wife emigrated 1846 819 Euphrosina Loech went bankrupt 1849 234 392 Gervas Loesch born 1824 from Breisach didn´t report for army duty 1849 119 Heinrich Loesch was deported from Baden 1846 1062 Joseph Loesch born 1824 from Griessheim near to Staufen didn´t report for army duty in 1849 19 Lorent Loesch was invited to collect his inheritance 1848 957 Jon

Hallo Otto, ich habe Andreas Dietz emigrated 1847 236 G. H. Dietz wanted in 1849 869 Joahnn Baptist Dietz from Waldkirch a revolutionary 1850 218 Gruß Jon

Hello Tim, a Wilhem Wurth was wanted in 1849 53 Jon

Hello Jim, Georg Herder from Leutershausen near Weinheim of the 1st Infantry Regiment had deserted after the last 1849 revolution (With the rest of the army) 1850 604 Johann Friedrich Herder born 1826 from Waldangelbach near Sinsheim, didn´t report for army duty in 1849 55 Jon

There are two sites that I am aware of for getting passenger information. The first requires a subscription to Ancestry but you can get images of the actual passenger manifest. The other is through http://www.immigrantships.net/ These are some times transcriptions. On 3/25/2012 11:42 AM, Morris Felder wrote: > Dear List: > > Trying to find on what ship my relative used to come to America around 1851-1853?? > Ricard Leopold Felder applied for immigration in 1851 from Baden,Germany > I presume he came to America aroud that time but cannot find what ship he used > Does anyone know of a website that would give me information. > He did have a brother living in New Jersey at that time etc. > Any help will be appreciated. > > Morris Felder > New Orleans, Louisiana > . > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think that what is in the naturalization papers depends on where and when it was issued. It also depends on how citizenship was granted. I am not sure of all of the legal functions that has to be done, but in one they can go before a judge, and swear allegiance, the judge signs it and they are citizens. In other cases they file an application and then that goes through an approval process. Depending the way it is handled the records are handled differently. Like I said I don't understand the complete legal difference, but I have copies of one from Circleville Ohio in the 1870's and it has very little information. I have another from the 1840's in Fort Wayne Indiana and it has several good dates, and a lot of flowery language about giving up allegiance to the German Ruler. For another from Indiana, I tried was told it was filed and located else where. Time ran out before I could get there to get the copy. Maybe someone who better understands the process can explain it better. On 3/25/2012 1:43 PM, WandaRidge wrote: > Another thought.... if he became a naturalized citizen, and if you can find > his naturalization papers, they should tell you the date he arrived. > > I found my gr gr uncle's naturalization papers in New York. They gave the > date of his and his brother's arrival in New York. I rented microfilm of > all the ships who came into New York Harbor on that date. And yes, I did > find them on the ship Sea Queen. Like looking for a needle in a haystack > but I did find them this way. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Cochran"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. > > >> If he lived to 1900 and can be found on a census, it will tell you what >> year >> he immigrated. >> >> Kathy Cochran >> San Andreas, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Morris Felder >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:43 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. >> >> Dear List: >> >> Trying to find on what ship my relative used to come to America around >> 1851-1853?? >> Ricard Leopold Felder applied for immigration in 1851 from Baden,Germany I >> presume he came to America aroud that time but cannot find what ship he >> used >> Does anyone know of a website that would give me information. >> He did have a brother living in New Jersey at that time etc. >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> Morris Felder >> New Orleans, Louisiana >> . >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4892 - Release Date: 03/24/12 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Barbara: Your correct on the German script at BYU. They also have at [1]http://script.byu.edu tutorials you can take in several languages. Very helpful in our research. Walk in peace, Linn On 03/25/12, Barbara A. H. Nuehring<[email protected]> wrote: Greeting All, On 25-Mar-12 11:43, Jim Gorman wrote: > I find it extremely difficult for me to read the German script and I don not speak Germany so it took forever to figure out words. Indeed, Elsie's article is a great resource to keep on hand. Here are some other sources for learning how to read German handwritten records that you may find helpful: BYU has an excellent German Script Tutorial online. It is free. The website is: [2]http://script.byu.edu/german/en/welcome.aspx The Family History Library has three free15-minutes lessons on German handwriting as well as courses/lessons on various aspects of researching German records. The URLs for reading old handwriting are: [3]https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwri tten-records-lesson-1-kurrent-letters/69 and [4]https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwri tten-records-lesson-2-making-words-in-kurrent/70 and [5]https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwri tten-records-lesson-3-reading-kurrent-documents/71 You can download a PDF of the Family History Resource Guide "Handwriting Guide: German Gothic" from [6]https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/c/ca/German_Gothic_Hand writing_Guide.pdf And this website "teaches" German handwriting: [7]http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Englisch/Sutterlin.htm Regards from a Roots Hunter, Barbara -- Barbara A. H. Nuehring For a genealogist, hunting season is all year long. Hunting for: SCHOBER, GEIGER, BUDE, HENKE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BADEN[8][email protected]eb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://script.byu.edu/ 2. http://script.byu.edu/german/en/welcome.aspx 3. https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwritten-records-lesson-1-kurrent-letters/69 4. https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwritten-records-lesson-2-making-words-in-kurrent/70 5. https://www.familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/reading-german-handwritten-records-lesson-3-reading-kurrent-documents/71 6. https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/c/ca/German_Gothic_Handwriting_Guide.pdf 7. http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Englisch/Sutterlin.htm 8. mailto:[email protected]

Ellis Island did not open until 1892. I already checked Castle Garden's online page. No avail. Jim Herter Lonesome Oak Business Development Group (269) 414-2230 http://jherter.wordpress.com/ ________________________________ From: Craig Gauger <[email protected]> To: B-W Roots Web <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, March 25, 2012 8:49:51 PM Subject: Re: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. If he arrived in NY, have you checked Ellis Island? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:42:42 +0000 > Subject: [BW] Immigration to America -Transportation etc. > > Dear List: > > Trying to find on what ship my relative used to come to America around >1851-1853?? > Ricard Leopold Felder applied for immigration in 1851 from Baden,Germany > I presume he came to America aroud that time but cannot find what ship he used > Does anyone know of a website that would give me information. > He did have a brother living in New Jersey at that time etc. > Any help will be appreciated. > > Morris Felder > New Orleans, Louisiana > . > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jon. I'm not sure if this was in reference to my query on Hans Jakob Herter/Herter born 10/10/1880 (Moessingen) and Hans Georg Herter/Herder 07/22/1769 (Moessingen). Jim Herter Lonesome Oak Business Development Group (269) 414-2230 http://jherter.wordpress.com/ ________________________________ From: jonbar <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 25, 2012 3:03:18 PM Subject: [BW] Herder Hello Jim, Georg Herder from Leutershausen near Weinheim of the 1st Infantry Regiment had deserted after the last 1849 revolution (With the rest of the army) 1850 604 Johann Friedrich Herder born 1826 from Waldangelbach near Sinsheim, didn´t report for army duty in 1849 55 Jon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message