Hello Craig and Marvin, This is a great entry and many thanks for the imput from both of you. I was trying to research Andreas Jansen who we know was involved in the 1848/9 revolution. When he died he had a metal plate in his head, from injuries received, this was confirmed on his death certificate. there was a Josef in the family and we wondered if Jean Josef may have been a relation. More research to be done now. Many thanks again, Elizabeth On 29/03/2012 9:37 PM, Craig Gauger wrote: > > It also states he was a political rebel and wanted for quite some time. In June 1849 he was with a Mannheim resistance group and as Adjutant for Hochsachsen. On 15 July 1849 he was imprisoned at Heidelberg as a political rebel. On 14 August 1849 he was a prisoner at the Rastatter Fort A because of a war betrayal. > > Though this biography in German below is short, he probably believed he and his comrades were patriots against an unjust enemy. > > I'm guessing there is more to read by the references to page numbers in the text. I don't know if Marvin has any more knowledge as to where these can be viewed. C > > Craig, I have no more than the list itself and have no idea where information can be found for the referenced page numbers. Most, if not all records have some sort of pages referenced in the bios. As I mentioned to Elizabeth, on her Jean Jose Jansen record the name Leonhard Müller noted in a box labeled "Lit". This box seldom has had an entry and I have only seen it a few times. I hesitate to mention it when it does occur because I can't explain it to people when they question it's meaning. I like to include everything when I answer requests but this "Lit" entry has me puzzled. Can you explain what it could be ? Marvin Hoerig in WI > >> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:26 +1100 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index >> >> Hello Craig, >> >> Thank you, a sad ending for Jean Josef Jansen. >> >> Elizabeth >> >> On 29/03/2012 1:04 PM, Craig Gauger wrote: >>> >>> It states in the German text that he was shot at 7 am on 20 Oct 1849. >>> >>> >>>> From: >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:46:16 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index >>>> >>>> Elizabeth, >>>> >>>> This is one of the most complete records I have seen. Whenever there is a >>>> death place and date I always wonder how prisoners were treated once >>>> incarcerated. There are not many records listing deaths so I hope this guy >>>> came to prison in pretty bad shape, hence his death while there. >>>> Unfortunately, his bio puts to rest the reason for his death in prison. >>>> >>>> Also, there is a box in all these records that I have never seen filled in >>>> before this. This record shows the name Müller, Leonhard in the box which >>>> is titled "Lit". I have no idea what Lit stands for and assume it to be an >>>> abbreviation of some sort but wonder who Leonhard Müller is and how he is >>>> connected to Jean Josef Jansen. >>>> >>>> Marvin Hoerig in WI

Marvin, Where is this "Lit" and mention of Müller, Leonhard? I don't see it on the record. C > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:20:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raba Index > > Craig, > > I have no more than the list itself and have no idea where information can > be found for the referenced page numbers. Most, if not all records have > some sort of pages referenced in the bios. > > As I mentioned to Elizabeth, on her Jean Jose Jansen record the name > Leonhard Müller noted in a box labeled "Lit". This box seldom has had an > entry and I have only seen it a few times. I hesitate to mention it when it > does occur because I can't explain it to people when they question it's > meaning. I like to include everything when I answer requests but this "Lit" > entry has me puzzled. Can you explain what it could be ? > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Craig Gauger" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:37 AM > To: "B-W Roots Web" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > > > > > It also states he was a political rebel and wanted for quite some time. > > In June 1849 he was with a Mannheim resistance group and as Adjutant for > > Hochsachsen. On 15 July 1849 he was imprisoned at Heidelberg as a > > political rebel. On 14 August 1849 he was a prisoner at the Rastatter > > Fort A because of a war betrayal. > > > > Though this biography in German below is short, he probably believed he > > and his comrades were patriots against an unjust enemy. > > > > I'm guessing there is more to read by the references to page numbers in > > the text. I don't know if Marvin has any more knowledge as to where these > > can be viewed. C > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:26 +1100 > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > >> > >> Hello Craig, > >> > >> Thank you, a sad ending for Jean Josef Jansen. > >> > >> Elizabeth > >> > >> On 29/03/2012 1:04 PM, Craig Gauger wrote: > >> > > >> > It states in the German text that he was shot at 7 am on 20 Oct 1849. > >> > > >> > > >> >> From: [email protected] > >> >> To: [email protected] > >> >> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:46:16 -0500 > >> >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > >> >> > >> >> Elizabeth, > >> >> > >> >> This is one of the most complete records I have seen. Whenever there > >> >> is a > >> >> death place and date I always wonder how prisoners were treated once > >> >> incarcerated. There are not many records listing deaths so I hope this > >> >> guy > >> >> came to prison in pretty bad shape, hence his death while there. > >> >> Unfortunately, his bio puts to rest the reason for his death in > >> >> prison. > >> >> > >> >> Also, there is a box in all these records that I have never seen > >> >> filled in > >> >> before this. This record shows the name in the box > >> >> which > >> >> is titled "Lit". I have no idea what Lit stands for and assume it to > >> >> be an > >> >> abbreviation of some sort but wonder who Leonhard Müller is and how he > >> >> is > >> >> connected to Jean Josef Jansen. > >> >> > >> >> Marvin Hoerig in WI > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Name-------------------Jansen, Jean Josef > >> >> Birth Date ------------- 00.00.1825 > >> >> Birth Place------------ > >> >> Death Date ------------ 20.10.1849 > >> >> Death Place ----------- Rastatt > >> >> Record----------------- 40000022085 > >> >> Number---------------- 15882 > >> >> Name Variation-------- Janzen > >> >> Residence------------- Köln > >> >> Profession------------- Geometer > >> >> Sex--------------------- m > >> >> Nationality------------- D > >> >> Age--------------------- 24 > >> >> Year Incarcerated----- 1849 > >> >> Country of Origin----- Preußen > >> >> Region----------------- > >> >> Revolutionary Army--Militia----------------- > >> >> Single------------------ > >> >> Married---------------- > >> >> Biography------------- Bei der Mannheimer Volkswehr (65 / 11597*: 55). > >> >> Im > >> >> Juni 1849 als Adjutant in Hohensachsen (276 / 3417: 166). Am 21. und > >> >> 22. > >> >> Juni 1849 mit der Mannheimer Volkswehr in Ladenburg (N Mone Nr. 26*: > >> >> 87). > >> >> Die Behörden wollten im Juni 'auf Jansen das Hauptaugenmerk richten' > >> >> (234 / > >> >> 10210*: 7). Am 15. Juli 1849 als politischer 'Rebell' im Gefängnis in > >> >> Heidelberg (236 / 8561*: 14). Gefangener im Rastatter Fort A, wegen > >> >> Kriegsverrats am 14. August 1849 vom Standgericht zum Tod durch > >> >> Erschießen > >> >> verurteilt und am 20. Oktober 1849 um sieben Uhr morgens erschossen > >> >> (65 / > >> >> 11597*: 55; N Mone Nr. 26*: 87, 96-97, 177, 180, 186-187, 193 f, Nr. > >> >> 28: 37, > >> >> 102). > >> >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

many thanks Marvin Anne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 11:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BW] Kraiss Anne, Only one. Marvin Hoerig in WI Name--------------------- Kraiss, Johann Friedrich Record------------------- 40000100287 Number------------------- 18912 Birth Place--------------- Möckmühl Birth Date --------------- 14.03.1832 Death Date -------------- 06.12.1889 Death Place ------------- Möckmühl Name Variation---------- Residence---------------- Möckmühl Profession---------------- Tagelöhner Sex------------------------ m Nationality---------------- D Age------------------------ 17 Year Incarcerated--------- 1849 Country of Origin--------- Württemberg Region--------------------- Revolutionary Army------ Yes Militia---------------------- Single----------------------- Married------------------ Biography------------------ Während des badischen Feldzugs zum Korps der Hanauer Turnerwehr gestoßen -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne Simmons" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:29 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BW] Kraiss > Marvin, > > do you have any Kraiss entries? > > Anne > Sydney, Australia > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary June and Andreas Here is what little I know about my Fuchs line Veronika Fuchs was born Aug. 31, 1815 Neider Rimsingen Alt Breisah Baden, she died Jan. 19 1885 in Minden, Kearney, Nebraska.  She married Joseph Reader (Riede) I believe in Germany before 1848 when they came to America.  Joseph was born Feb. 26, 1810 Blaybach ant., Walderch, Baden.  Both birthplaces were in the family bible, though Veronica was Veronica Fox. Joseph and Veronica had two children Mary and John, both born in New Jersey, U.S.A. Veronika's parents were Laurenz Fuchs and Katharina Weber. They were married Feb 4 1813 in Niederrimsingen.  They had six children (that I know of): Maria born 1814, Veronika, Gervas born 1818, Rosina born 1820, Agatha born 1823, Katharina born 1824.  This information is from familysearch.org Laurenz parents were Johann and Elisabeth (Faber) Fuchs Katharina's parents were Gervas and Anastasia (Baehrmaenn) Weber parents names also came from familysearch.org I'll order the films to see what I can learn.  Thanks for getting me to work on this line again.  Stay in touch Cathy Researching: Claycamp, Gerlach, Grindle, Magin, Mersinger, Reader, Singleton

Hello Craig, Thank you, a sad ending for Jean Josef Jansen. Elizabeth On 29/03/2012 1:04 PM, Craig Gauger wrote: > > It states in the German text that he was shot at 7 am on 20 Oct 1849. > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:46:16 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index >> >> Elizabeth, >> >> This is one of the most complete records I have seen. Whenever there is a >> death place and date I always wonder how prisoners were treated once >> incarcerated. There are not many records listing deaths so I hope this guy >> came to prison in pretty bad shape, hence his death while there. >> Unfortunately, his bio puts to rest the reason for his death in prison. >> >> Also, there is a box in all these records that I have never seen filled in >> before this. This record shows the name Müller, Leonhard in the box which >> is titled "Lit". I have no idea what Lit stands for and assume it to be an >> abbreviation of some sort but wonder who Leonhard Müller is and how he is >> connected to Jean Josef Jansen. >> >> Marvin Hoerig in WI >> >> >> Name-------------------Jansen, Jean Josef >> Birth Date ------------- 00.00.1825 >> Birth Place------------ >> Death Date ------------ 20.10.1849 >> Death Place ----------- Rastatt >> Record----------------- 40000022085 >> Number---------------- 15882 >> Name Variation-------- Janzen >> Residence------------- Köln >> Profession------------- Geometer >> Sex--------------------- m >> Nationality------------- D >> Age--------------------- 24 >> Year Incarcerated----- 1849 >> Country of Origin----- Preußen >> Region----------------- >> Revolutionary Army--Militia----------------- >> Single------------------ >> Married---------------- >> Biography------------- Bei der Mannheimer Volkswehr (65 / 11597*: 55). Im >> Juni 1849 als Adjutant in Hohensachsen (276 / 3417: 166). Am 21. und 22. >> Juni 1849 mit der Mannheimer Volkswehr in Ladenburg (N Mone Nr. 26*: 87). >> Die Behörden wollten im Juni 'auf Jansen das Hauptaugenmerk richten' (234 / >> 10210*: 7). Am 15. Juli 1849 als politischer 'Rebell' im Gefängnis in >> Heidelberg (236 / 8561*: 14). Gefangener im Rastatter Fort A, wegen >> Kriegsverrats am 14. August 1849 vom Standgericht zum Tod durch Erschießen >> verurteilt und am 20. Oktober 1849 um sieben Uhr morgens erschossen (65 / >> 11597*: 55; N Mone Nr. 26*: 87, 96-97, 177, 180, 186-187, 193 f, Nr. 28: 37, >> 102). >>

Marvin, my suggestion is that a Leonhard Müller mentioned this person in an article or a book. The abbreviation "Lit." is for "Literatur" (printed source), in contrast to "Quelle" (inedited reference). Patricia There is a historian named Leonhard Müller in Karlsruhe http://ka.stadtwiki.net/Leonhard_Müller He is a member of the Arbeitskreis Heimatpflege Regierungsbezirk Karlsruhe e.V. http://www.ak-heimatpflege-ka.de/ His publications http://www.Statistik.Baden-Wuerttemberg.de/LABI/LABI.asp?&K1=2&T1=M%FCller%2C+Leonhard For example Titel: Verlauf und Hintergründe des "Haber-Skandals" : "Straßentumult in Karlsruhe" Verfasser: Müller, Leonhard In: Blick in die Geschichte. - 2007, 77. - S. 2 - 3 -- privat: Metzinger Str. 29 72555 Metzingen (-Neuhausen), BW ============================================================== Patricia Stasch Klassische Archäologin Fax+Anrufbeantworter-Nr: 03212-1102645 (Anruf wird als *.wav, Fax als *.pdf in der eMailbox abgelegt) ============================================================== Zitat von Marvin Hoerig <[email protected]>: > Craig, > > I have no more than the list itself and have no idea where information can > be found for the referenced page numbers. Most, if not all records have > some sort of pages referenced in the bios. > > As I mentioned to Elizabeth, on her Jean Jose Jansen record the name > Leonhard Müller noted in a box labeled "Lit". This box seldom has had an > entry and I have only seen it a few times. I hesitate to mention it when it > does occur because I can't explain it to people when they question it's > meaning. I like to include everything when I answer requests but this "Lit" > entry has me puzzled. Can you explain what it could be ? > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > >

Jesse, you surely meant Rottenburg am Neckar?! http://gov.genealogy.net/item/show/ROTURGJN48LL http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/GOV:ROTURGJN48LL Die Stadt Rottenburg kam 1805 von Vorderöstereich an Baden-Württemberg und wurde 1817 Sitz des gleichnamigen Oberamts. Bei der Kreisreform 1938 wurde dieses Oberamt aufgelöst und dem Landkreis Tübingen zugeordnet. Bei der Gemeindereform 1973 wurden einige bis dahin selbständige Gemeinden zu Rottenburg eingemeindet. 1964 erhielt die Stadt den Namenszusatz “am Neckar“ zur Unterscheidung von anderen gleichnamigen Orten. Patricia Lots of HAUGs here http://www.auswanderer-bw.de Emigrant identification 2977 Title First name Gottlob Gustav Last name Haug Second name Last place of residence Freiberg am Neckar District Domicile Marital status verw. Denomination Profession Maurer und Steinhauer Name at birth Sex m Year of birth 1839 Date of birth Mai 23 Reference Emigration year 1885 Date of emigration 12.10.1889 Continent Nordamerika Country of destination Nordamerika Point of destination Age at emigration Number of adults 1 Number of children 2 Motive Remigration Bailer Comments 2 Söhne: Ernst Gustav, * 25.8.1869, und Gottlob Gustav, * 5.7.1871. Anm. des Übertragers: Bischoff verzeichnet diesen Auswanderer aaO unter "Marbach" offensichtlich doppelt, nämlich als lfd. Nr. 331 mit Auswanderungsdatum 6.5.1885, Beruf "Maurer" und lediglich (mitreisend) "2 Söhne", sodann als lfd. Nr. 345 mit Datum 12.10. 1889, Beruf "Steinhauer", Familienstand, Geburttsdatum sowie Namen und Daten der beiden Söhne. Wie in vielen andern Fällen ist zu vermuten, daß sich das erstgenannte Datum auf den Abreisetag, das spätere auf die "förmliche Auswanderung unter Verzicht auf die diesseitige Staatsangehörigkeit" bezieht. Capital Assistance County Marbach Archive Hauptstaatsarchiv Stuttgart -- privat: Metzinger Str. 29 72555 Metzingen (-Neuhausen), BW ============================================================== Patricia Stasch Klassische Archäologin Fax+Anrufbeantworter-Nr: 03212-1102645 (Anruf wird als *.wav, Fax als *.pdf in der eMailbox abgelegt) ============================================================== Zitat von jessemc <[email protected]>: > Do you have folks from around Rothenberg an Necker on your list? I'm > looking for Haug, Gross, Sauter to name a few. > Jesse McCullar [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > >

Marvin Can you please look for the name of Odenwalder (George Peter) Thank you Darlene

To all, The latest shipping article for the *Johann Caesar* 1856 Hamburg to Moreton Bay, Australia, has been published by Jenny Paterson and is available in the March 2012 issue of 'Ances-tree'. Other Jenny Paterson articles relevant to German research in this journal are: "Website: 'Emigration from Southwest Germany' Auswanderung aus Südwestdeutschland", in: 'Ances-tree' vol.19 no.3 Nov 2006. (The Baden-Württemberg emigration website and its current problems). "'Planned illegitimacy' among German immigrants", in: 'Ances-tree' vol.20 no.2 Jul 2007. (The impact of restrictive marriage laws in the southwest German states in the mid 19th century). "Those strange German given names", in: 'Ances-tree' vol.24 no.2 Jul 2011.(Origins and spelling variants). For further inquiries about passengers arriving in Australia on any of the ships listed, please contact Jenny Paterson c/- Burwood & District Family History Group. see details below: ARTICLES ON GERMAN IMMIGRANT SHIPS TO NSW Australians whose German ancestors arrived on one of the ships below may like to read the relevant article about the ship, its passengers and the resources for researching them. The articles by Jenny Paterson are published in Burwood & District Family History Group's journal Ances-tree. Many family history societies in NSW and other Australian states swap journals with Burwood, so they may be available in your local area. HOW TO GET YOUR OWN COPY OF A JOURNAL The journal is a print resource, not an online resource. Back copies are available for $5 each, including postage within Australia (AUD $10 for overseas). Send your order, payment and postal address to: The Secretary, Burwood & District Family History Group, c/o Burwood Library, 4 Marmaduke Street, Burwood NSW 2134, Australia, and the requested journal(s) will be posted to you. The title of this series of articles is: "German Immigrant Ships to Eastern Australia - Resources and Problems". It deals with the ships that brought the government-assisted German families (vinedressers) to NSW from 1849 to 1856. They are: Part 1: Beulah 1849, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.16 no.1 Mar 2003. (London to Sydney) Part 2: Parland 1849, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.16 no.2 Jul 2003. (London to Sydney) Part 3: Harmony 1849 and Balmoral 1850, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.16 no.3 Nov 2003. (London to Sydney) Part 4: San Francisco 1852, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.17 no.1 Mar 2004. (Hamburg to Sydney) Part 5: Reiherstieg 1852, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.17 no.2 Jul 2004. (Hamburg to Sydney) Part 6: Peter Godeffroy 1852, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.17 no.3 Nov 2004. (Hamburg to Sydney) Part 7: Caesar Godeffroy 1852, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.18 no.1 Mar 2005. (Hamburg to Sydney) Part 8: Johann Caesar 1853, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.18 no.2 Jul 2005. (Hamburg to Sydney) Part 9: Helene 1853, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.18 no.3 Nov 2005. (Hamburg to Sydney) Part 10: Triton 1853, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.19 no.1 Mar 2006. (Hamburg to Sydney) Part 11: Undine 1855, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.20 no.1 Mar 2007. (Hamburg to Sydney) Part 12: Cateaux Wattel 1855, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.20 no.3 Nov 2007. (Antwerp to Sydney) Part 13: Caesar 1855, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.22 no.1 Mar 2009. (Hamburg to Twofold Bay and Sydney) Part 14: Marbs 1855, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.22 no.2 Jul 2009. (Hamburg to Moreton Bay) Part 15: Aurora 1855, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.22 no.3 Nov 2009. (Hamburg to Moreton Bay) Part 16: Commodore Perry 1855 (including the stragglers on Boomerang and Blanche Moore to Melbourne), in: 'Ances-tree' vol.23 no.1 Mar 2010. (Liverpool to Sydney, and Liverpool to Melbourne) Part 17: Peru 1855, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.23 no.2 Jul 2010. (Hamburg to Sydney) Part 18: Wilhelmsburg 1855, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.24 no.1 Mar 2011. (Hamburg to Hobart and Sydney) Part 19: San Francisco 1855, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.24 no.3 Nov 2011. (Hamburg to Hobart and Sydney) Part 20: Johann Caesar 1856, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.25 no.1 Mar 2012. (Hamburg to Moreton Bay) In relation to Part 13, see also: "Dr Middendorf of the Caesar 1855 and his long letter home", in: 'Ances-tree' vol.21 no.3 Nov 2008. This is the end of the series on ships bringing government-assisted German families to NSW. A further series may be added to deal with 3 other ships in the NSW 'Assisted Immigrants Indexes' that didn't actually carry any assisted immigrants: Grasbrook 1855 (to Moreton Bay), Caesar Godeffroy 1856 (to Moreton Bay and Sydney) and Iserbrook 1856 (to Moreton Bay, but in the'arriving Sydney and Newcastle' index!). Another series is in progress: "German ships with no ship lists", with three articles so far: By Jenny Paterson: Part 1: Fanny Kirchner and Wilhelm Kirchner from Bremen to Sydney 1858, in: 'Ances-tree' vol.19 no.2 Jul 2006. By Lisa Burton: Part 2: Solon from Bremen to Moreton Bay 1859, in 'Ances-tree' vol.21 no.2 Jul 2008. Part 3: Diana from Bremen to Moreton Bay 1858, in 'Ances-tree' vol.23 no.3 Nov 2010.

It also states he was a political rebel and wanted for quite some time. In June 1849 he was with a Mannheim resistance group and as Adjutant for Hochsachsen. On 15 July 1849 he was imprisoned at Heidelberg as a political rebel. On 14 August 1849 he was a prisoner at the Rastatter Fort A because of a war betrayal. Though this biography in German below is short, he probably believed he and his comrades were patriots against an unjust enemy. I'm guessing there is more to read by the references to page numbers in the text. I don't know if Marvin has any more knowledge as to where these can be viewed. C > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:26 +1100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > > Hello Craig, > > Thank you, a sad ending for Jean Josef Jansen. > > Elizabeth > > On 29/03/2012 1:04 PM, Craig Gauger wrote: > > > > It states in the German text that he was shot at 7 am on 20 Oct 1849. > > > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:46:16 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > >> > >> Elizabeth, > >> > >> This is one of the most complete records I have seen. Whenever there is a > >> death place and date I always wonder how prisoners were treated once > >> incarcerated. There are not many records listing deaths so I hope this guy > >> came to prison in pretty bad shape, hence his death while there. > >> Unfortunately, his bio puts to rest the reason for his death in prison. > >> > >> Also, there is a box in all these records that I have never seen filled in > >> before this. This record shows the name Müller, Leonhard in the box which > >> is titled "Lit". I have no idea what Lit stands for and assume it to be an > >> abbreviation of some sort but wonder who Leonhard Müller is and how he is > >> connected to Jean Josef Jansen. > >> > >> Marvin Hoerig in WI > >> > >> > >> Name-------------------Jansen, Jean Josef > >> Birth Date ------------- 00.00.1825 > >> Birth Place------------ > >> Death Date ------------ 20.10.1849 > >> Death Place ----------- Rastatt > >> Record----------------- 40000022085 > >> Number---------------- 15882 > >> Name Variation-------- Janzen > >> Residence------------- Köln > >> Profession------------- Geometer > >> Sex--------------------- m > >> Nationality------------- D > >> Age--------------------- 24 > >> Year Incarcerated----- 1849 > >> Country of Origin----- Preußen > >> Region----------------- > >> Revolutionary Army--Militia----------------- > >> Single------------------ > >> Married---------------- > >> Biography------------- Bei der Mannheimer Volkswehr (65 / 11597*: 55). Im > >> Juni 1849 als Adjutant in Hohensachsen (276 / 3417: 166). Am 21. und 22. > >> Juni 1849 mit der Mannheimer Volkswehr in Ladenburg (N Mone Nr. 26*: 87). > >> Die Behörden wollten im Juni 'auf Jansen das Hauptaugenmerk richten' (234 / > >> 10210*: 7). Am 15. Juli 1849 als politischer 'Rebell' im Gefängnis in > >> Heidelberg (236 / 8561*: 14). Gefangener im Rastatter Fort A, wegen > >> Kriegsverrats am 14. August 1849 vom Standgericht zum Tod durch Erschießen > >> verurteilt und am 20. Oktober 1849 um sieben Uhr morgens erschossen (65 / > >> 11597*: 55; N Mone Nr. 26*: 87, 96-97, 177, 180, 186-187, 193 f, Nr. 28: 37, > >> 102). > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig, I have no more than the list itself and have no idea where information can be found for the referenced page numbers. Most, if not all records have some sort of pages referenced in the bios. As I mentioned to Elizabeth, on her Jean Jose Jansen record the name Leonhard Müller noted in a box labeled "Lit". This box seldom has had an entry and I have only seen it a few times. I hesitate to mention it when it does occur because I can't explain it to people when they question it's meaning. I like to include everything when I answer requests but this "Lit" entry has me puzzled. Can you explain what it could be ? Marvin Hoerig in WI -------------------------------------------------- From: "Craig Gauger" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:37 AM To: "B-W Roots Web" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > > It also states he was a political rebel and wanted for quite some time. > In June 1849 he was with a Mannheim resistance group and as Adjutant for > Hochsachsen. On 15 July 1849 he was imprisoned at Heidelberg as a > political rebel. On 14 August 1849 he was a prisoner at the Rastatter > Fort A because of a war betrayal. > > Though this biography in German below is short, he probably believed he > and his comrades were patriots against an unjust enemy. > > I'm guessing there is more to read by the references to page numbers in > the text. I don't know if Marvin has any more knowledge as to where these > can be viewed. C > > > >> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:26 +1100 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index >> >> Hello Craig, >> >> Thank you, a sad ending for Jean Josef Jansen. >> >> Elizabeth >> >> On 29/03/2012 1:04 PM, Craig Gauger wrote: >> > >> > It states in the German text that he was shot at 7 am on 20 Oct 1849. >> > >> > >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:46:16 -0500 >> >> Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index >> >> >> >> Elizabeth, >> >> >> >> This is one of the most complete records I have seen. Whenever there >> >> is a >> >> death place and date I always wonder how prisoners were treated once >> >> incarcerated. There are not many records listing deaths so I hope this >> >> guy >> >> came to prison in pretty bad shape, hence his death while there. >> >> Unfortunately, his bio puts to rest the reason for his death in >> >> prison. >> >> >> >> Also, there is a box in all these records that I have never seen >> >> filled in >> >> before this. This record shows the name Müller, Leonhard in the box >> >> which >> >> is titled "Lit". I have no idea what Lit stands for and assume it to >> >> be an >> >> abbreviation of some sort but wonder who Leonhard Müller is and how he >> >> is >> >> connected to Jean Josef Jansen. >> >> >> >> Marvin Hoerig in WI >> >> >> >> >> >> Name-------------------Jansen, Jean Josef >> >> Birth Date ------------- 00.00.1825 >> >> Birth Place------------ >> >> Death Date ------------ 20.10.1849 >> >> Death Place ----------- Rastatt >> >> Record----------------- 40000022085 >> >> Number---------------- 15882 >> >> Name Variation-------- Janzen >> >> Residence------------- Köln >> >> Profession------------- Geometer >> >> Sex--------------------- m >> >> Nationality------------- D >> >> Age--------------------- 24 >> >> Year Incarcerated----- 1849 >> >> Country of Origin----- Preußen >> >> Region----------------- >> >> Revolutionary Army--Militia----------------- >> >> Single------------------ >> >> Married---------------- >> >> Biography------------- Bei der Mannheimer Volkswehr (65 / 11597*: 55). >> >> Im >> >> Juni 1849 als Adjutant in Hohensachsen (276 / 3417: 166). Am 21. und >> >> 22. >> >> Juni 1849 mit der Mannheimer Volkswehr in Ladenburg (N Mone Nr. 26*: >> >> 87). >> >> Die Behörden wollten im Juni 'auf Jansen das Hauptaugenmerk richten' >> >> (234 / >> >> 10210*: 7). Am 15. Juli 1849 als politischer 'Rebell' im Gefängnis in >> >> Heidelberg (236 / 8561*: 14). Gefangener im Rastatter Fort A, wegen >> >> Kriegsverrats am 14. August 1849 vom Standgericht zum Tod durch >> >> Erschießen >> >> verurteilt und am 20. Oktober 1849 um sieben Uhr morgens erschossen >> >> (65 / >> >> 11597*: 55; N Mone Nr. 26*: 87, 96-97, 177, 180, 186-187, 193 f, Nr. >> >> 28: 37, >> >> 102). >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne, Only one. Marvin Hoerig in WI Name--------------------- Kraiss, Johann Friedrich Record------------------- 40000100287 Number------------------- 18912 Birth Place--------------- Möckmühl Birth Date --------------- 14.03.1832 Death Date -------------- 06.12.1889 Death Place ------------- Möckmühl Name Variation---------- Residence---------------- Möckmühl Profession---------------- Tagelöhner Sex------------------------ m Nationality---------------- D Age------------------------ 17 Year Incarcerated--------- 1849 Country of Origin--------- Württemberg Region--------------------- Revolutionary Army------ Yes Militia---------------------- Single----------------------- Married------------------ Biography------------------ Während des badischen Feldzugs zum Korps der Hanauer Turnerwehr gestoßen -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne Simmons" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:29 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BW] Kraiss > Marvin, > > do you have any Kraiss entries? > > Anne > Sydney, Australia > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It states in the German text that he was shot at 7 am on 20 Oct 1849. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:46:16 -0500 > Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > > Elizabeth, > > This is one of the most complete records I have seen. Whenever there is a > death place and date I always wonder how prisoners were treated once > incarcerated. There are not many records listing deaths so I hope this guy > came to prison in pretty bad shape, hence his death while there. > Unfortunately, his bio puts to rest the reason for his death in prison. > > Also, there is a box in all these records that I have never seen filled in > before this. This record shows the name Müller, Leonhard in the box which > is titled "Lit". I have no idea what Lit stands for and assume it to be an > abbreviation of some sort but wonder who Leonhard Müller is and how he is > connected to Jean Josef Jansen. > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > > > Name-------------------Jansen, Jean Josef > Birth Date ------------- 00.00.1825 > Birth Place------------ > Death Date ------------ 20.10.1849 > Death Place ----------- Rastatt > Record----------------- 40000022085 > Number---------------- 15882 > Name Variation-------- Janzen > Residence------------- Köln > Profession------------- Geometer > Sex--------------------- m > Nationality------------- D > Age--------------------- 24 > Year Incarcerated----- 1849 > Country of Origin----- Preußen > Region----------------- > Revolutionary Army--Militia----------------- > Single------------------ > Married---------------- > Biography------------- Bei der Mannheimer Volkswehr (65 / 11597*: 55). Im > Juni 1849 als Adjutant in Hohensachsen (276 / 3417: 166). Am 21. und 22. > Juni 1849 mit der Mannheimer Volkswehr in Ladenburg (N Mone Nr. 26*: 87). > Die Behörden wollten im Juni 'auf Jansen das Hauptaugenmerk richten' (234 / > 10210*: 7). Am 15. Juli 1849 als politischer 'Rebell' im Gefängnis in > Heidelberg (236 / 8561*: 14). Gefangener im Rastatter Fort A, wegen > Kriegsverrats am 14. August 1849 vom Standgericht zum Tod durch Erschießen > verurteilt und am 20. Oktober 1849 um sieben Uhr morgens erschossen (65 / > 11597*: 55; N Mone Nr. 26*: 87, 96-97, 177, 180, 186-187, 193 f, Nr. 28: 37, > 102). > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Elizabeth" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:05 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > > > Hello Marvin, > > > > Can you give me the details for Jean Joseph Jansen please. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marvin, Thank you, this is great, we will check family details further, there was a Josef in the family. Further check if any relation with Herman or Jacob. Elizabeth On 29/03/2012 12:46 AM, Marvin Hoerig wrote: > Elizabeth, > > This is one of the most complete records I have seen. Whenever there is a > death place and date I always wonder how prisoners were treated once > incarcerated. There are not many records listing deaths so I hope this guy > came to prison in pretty bad shape, hence his death while there. > Unfortunately, his bio puts to rest the reason for his death in prison. > > Also, there is a box in all these records that I have never seen filled in > before this. This record shows the name Müller, Leonhard in the box which > is titled "Lit". I have no idea what Lit stands for and assume it to be an > abbreviation of some sort but wonder who Leonhard Müller is and how he is > connected to Jean Josef Jansen. > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > > > Name-------------------Jansen, Jean Josef > Birth Date ------------- 00.00.1825 > Birth Place------------ > Death Date ------------ 20.10.1849 > Death Place ----------- Rastatt > Record----------------- 40000022085 > Number---------------- 15882 > Name Variation-------- Janzen > Residence------------- Köln > Profession------------- Geometer > Sex--------------------- m > Nationality------------- D > Age--------------------- 24 > Year Incarcerated----- 1849 > Country of Origin----- Preußen > Region----------------- > Revolutionary Army--Militia----------------- > Single------------------ > Married---------------- > Biography------------- Bei der Mannheimer Volkswehr (65 / 11597*: 55). Im > Juni 1849 als Adjutant in Hohensachsen (276 / 3417: 166). Am 21. und 22. > Juni 1849 mit der Mannheimer Volkswehr in Ladenburg (N Mone Nr. 26*: 87). > Die Behörden wollten im Juni 'auf Jansen das Hauptaugenmerk richten' (234 / > 10210*: 7). Am 15. Juli 1849 als politischer 'Rebell' im Gefängnis in > Heidelberg (236 / 8561*: 14). Gefangener im Rastatter Fort A, wegen > Kriegsverrats am 14. August 1849 vom Standgericht zum Tod durch Erschießen > verurteilt und am 20. Oktober 1849 um sieben Uhr morgens erschossen (65 / > 11597*: 55; N Mone Nr. 26*: 87, 96-97, 177, 180, 186-187, 193 f, Nr. 28: 37, > 102). > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Elizabeth"<[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:05 AM > To:<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BW] RE Raab Index > >> Hello Marvin, >> >> Can you give me the details for Jean Joseph Jansen please. >> >> Elizabeth >> > >

Marvin, do you have any Kraiss entries? Anne Sydney, Australia

Mary June, it is great how well you've done getting your Fuchs information. For years I didn't know that my Joseph and Frances Fuchs/Fox were born in Germany and looked for ages for them here in Ohio. Found birth records for the children born in Ohio, no background information there, then finally found census records which said they had been born in Wurttemberg. Found just a couple things in church records, giving some birth information on birth of their children, but no place given except Germany, such a puzzle they are since a town or village is so important. But after fourty years I'm not about to give up now, will keep following trails until hopefully I get something new. Will check your Schwaikheim for clues, thank you. [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: boxerb <[email protected]> To: cathgen2 <[email protected]>; baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 28, 2012 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [BW] Fuchs family y Fuchs Family was from Schwaikheim. Came to USA in 1880 and settled in the tate of Tennessee. I have my tree back to about 1700 by reading the family egisters. I am in possession of my great grandfathers and grandmothers family ible. My ggrandfather was Johann Jacob Fuchs was b 24 Jul 1851, Schwaikheim, d 5 Aug 1916 in Milan, Gibson County, Tennessee, USA. He married Carolena auchle 11 Aug 1878 in Schwaikheim. His father was George Friedrich Fuchs (Sr) nd Christiane Klingler. George Friedrich came to America, did not like America nd went back to Germany where he died in Winnenden 26 Sept 1887. Other amily names in the Fuchs line: Kolz/Koelz, Dautel, Haag, Eckstein, Moser, aier, Staib, Drittler, Braun. My grandfather, William Jacob and his sister, Anna Maria were born in chwaikheim. I am proud of my German ancestry and my family. I went to Germany in 2008 and t was a dream come true. ary June Fuchs Foulk noxville, Tennessee ----Original Message----- rom: Cathy Claycamp <[email protected]> o: baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> ent: Tue, Mar 27, 2012 10:19 pm ubject: [BW] Fuchs family llen, y Fuchs family came from the Neider Rimsingen Alt Breisah and Niederrimsingen, ea of Baden. It might give you an area to look in. I haven't done a lot of search on them. athy Claycamp searching: Claycamp, Gerlach, Grindle, Magin, Mersinger, Reader, Singleton _______________________________ ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ----Original Message----- rom: Cathy Claycamp <[email protected]> o: baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> ent: Tue, Mar 27, 2012 10:19 pm ubject: [BW] Fuchs family llen, y Fuchs family came from the Neider Rimsingen Alt Breisah and Niederrimsingen, ea of Baden. It might give you an area to look in. I haven't done a lot of search on them. athy Claycamp searching: Claycamp, Gerlach, Grindle, Magin, Mersinger, Reader, Singleton _______________________________ ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hello Marvin, Can you give me the details for Jean Joseph Jansen please. Elizabeth On 25/03/2012 1:53 AM, Marvin Hoerig wrote: > Elizabeth, > > There are 3 Jansens on the list. Hermann, Jakob,& Jean Josef > > Marvin Hoerig in WI > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Elizabeth"<[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:48 AM > To:<[email protected]> > Subject: [BW] RE Raab Index > >> Hello Marvin. >> >> Could you please check for Andreas Janson in the Raab Index. >> >> Elizabeth >>

Hello list, I am also researching the following surnames from Niederrimsingen, Baden. SCHLEGEL, SUPPINGER, and WILLIG. Pre 1835 time period. Have no FUCHS from this town in my database, but have one listed from Glarus, Switzerland. Jerry

My Fuchs Family was from Schwaikheim. Came to USA in 1880 and settled in the state of Tennessee. I have my tree back to about 1700 by reading the family registers. I am in possession of my great grandfathers and grandmothers family bible. My ggrandfather was Johann Jacob Fuchs was b 24 Jul 1851, Schwaikheim, d 15 Aug 1916 in Milan, Gibson County, Tennessee, USA. He married Carolena Rauchle 11 Aug 1878 in Schwaikheim. His father was George Friedrich Fuchs (Sr) and Christiane Klingler. George Friedrich came to America, did not like America and went back to Germany where he died in Winnenden 26 Sept 1887. Other family names in the Fuchs line: Kolz/Koelz, Dautel, Haag, Eckstein, Moser, Maier, Staib, Drittler, Braun. My grandfather, William Jacob and his sister, Anna Maria were born in Schwaikheim. I am proud of my German ancestry and my family. I went to Germany in 2008 and it was a dream come true. Mary June Fuchs Foulk Knoxville, Tennessee -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Claycamp <[email protected]> To: baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Mar 27, 2012 10:19 pm Subject: [BW] Fuchs family Ellen, My Fuchs family came from the Neider Rimsingen Alt Breisah and Niederrimsingen, rea of Baden. It might give you an area to look in. I haven't done a lot of esearch on them. athy Claycamp esearching: Claycamp, Gerlach, Grindle, Magin, Mersinger, Reader, Singleton _______________________________ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Claycamp <[email protected]> To: baden-wurttemberg <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Mar 27, 2012 10:19 pm Subject: [BW] Fuchs family Ellen, My Fuchs family came from the Neider Rimsingen Alt Breisah and Niederrimsingen, rea of Baden. It might give you an area to look in. I haven't done a lot of esearch on them. athy Claycamp esearching: Claycamp, Gerlach, Grindle, Magin, Mersinger, Reader, Singleton _______________________________ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Thank you Marvin, very much. I really appreciate this, and will try to find out how Georg fits into the pie. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marvin Hoerig Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BW] Raab Index - George Heinrich Reiss Kathy, There are no Löttmann's on the list and no George Heinrich Reiss, but here are two Reißs for you to choose from. Marvin Hoerig in WI Name------------------ Reiß, Georg Birth Place------------ Record----------------- 40000037392 Number---------------- 26338 Name Variation-------- Residence------------- Wallbach Profession------------- Sex-------------------- m Nationality------------- D Age--------------------- Year Incarcerated----- 1849 Country of Origin----- Baden Region----------------- Säckingen Revolutionary Army--YesMilitia----------------- Single------------------ Married---------------- Biography------------- Am 25. Juni 1849 von der Generalkriegskasse 194 Gulden ausbezahlt (237 / 2783: 7). Name------------------- Reiß, Heinrich Birth Place------------ Record----------------- 40000037393 Number---------------- 26339 Name Variation-------- Residence------------- Philippsburg Profession------------- Sex--------------------- m Nationality------------- D Age--------------------- Year Incarcerated----- 1849 Country of Origin----- Baden Region----------------- Philippsburg Revolutionary Army--Militia----------------- Yes Single------------------ Married---------------- Biography------------- Nach Angaben vom 14. Mai 1849 Befürworter der Waffenbeschaffung für die Bürgerwehr in Philippsburg (344 / 6: 103). -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kathy Cochran" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:45 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BW] Raab Index - George Heinrich Reiss > Any possibility of finding a name like this on the Raab Index? > > Also, any Löttmann's? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Kathy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4898 - Release Date: 03/27/12