A new home for the Apache county mailing list has been set up. In a few minutes, I'll send out personal invitations to the subscribers of this list who wish to join the new group will be able to do so. I can not add members directly. It should be a link you can click that will let you 'accept' the invitation to join the new group. You may need to check your spam folder as I can't say when such will be delivered. If you don't find an invitation in your email you may also go to this site - https://groups.io/g/AZ-APACHE and select Join Group. Of course, folks may still post to this list through 3/1. Tim Stowell

As of now, the Apache county mailing list has 12 subscribers. In light of this list closing on March 2nd, with the full knowledge of the list owner - Susan Penn Groover, I have set up a new home for this list. I've recently set up similar homes for other Rootsweb lists that will be going defunct next month. In my next email, in a few hours and after some sleep, I'll send you further information regarding this and how to join the new home for this list. Tim Stowell Chattanooga

/_*Leave a Farewell Message*_/ This post was by Judith to MODAVIES: suggestion: People may want to post a "farewell" message on the mailing list before it goes to archive, and in this message include an email you plan to keep for the foreseeable future. A separate email could be set up expressly for this purpose if it is more convenient/secure. (You'll want web-based, not provider-based.) That way, if someone peruses the archive & finds a possible connection, they would have a way to get in touch with you privately. I have been on a couple of lists that went archival at some point, and I really wish I had done that, as our old email was provider-based and - once that provider went defunct, people looking through the defunct mailing list had no way to contact me (nor I them) It's easier to track people down these days, but I'd still suggest this. I think this to be an excellent idea, wish I thought it. I would like to expand to suggest that a post to include Your name, best address to reach you (one that might be dedicated to your genealogy research), a list surname(s) of interest, a list to places of interest (country, region, state, county), subject of interest, snail mail address (at your own risk), telephone number (again at your own risk), web address if you have a website, where you “moved.” Please keep in mind these to be suggestions and you should only provide what you would be comfortable for “ibots” to find. Might not want to wait to last minute. This would give system to process information and have it posted. With this in mind, please do not be concerned when you see my post to the nearly 300 (took inventory; final count was 298 – just sharing) mailing lists I admin. I will be leaving my time capsule to the list(s) in the coming days. But I will be here til Roots Web turn off the lights and lock the door. Let me take a few lines to acknowledge all the “thank-you” I have received. I started with a few surnames and expanded to counties more recently. But you are all “welcomed.” I try serve with the volunteer spirit and a happy heart. Please overlook my frustration that may boil to the top in the coming days. Susan -- --- Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.

/_*Ramblings from the Backseat*_/ Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. I have already announced that as of March 2^nd , when Roots Web ceases to function as a mailing list that I will be hanging up my administrator's hat. These are my observations and suggestions going forward. First and foremost, someone needs to step-up to be new administrator, chairman, leader, whatever title you like. Next a decision should be made whether to remain a mailing list or a bulletin board. Of course, what is to say both could be established. I personally have not read, but Dick Eastman has endorsed Group.io as a venue for mailing list. From what little time I have had, I would lean toward Group.io to maintain mailing list format. I have no experience with bulletin boards therefore I have no input. I am hearing Facebook, but I have issues with privacy and whether someone would make the site secure enough. I am sure there are other venues for bulletin board format. Can not stop someone setting up FB account, just do not bother to invite me. Also, Ancestry has an established bulletin board area, it is functioning. Due to the activity on most state lists, my next suggestion would be that county mailing lists consolidate to form one state list. When activity is established divide into regions. Too much activity then establish a county list (start at the top and drill down). Under the blanket of a state list posting could use subject line to keep the identity of the county ie; SUBJECT: [AL-SUMTER] Looking for … Surname lists are a horse of a different color. Suggestion here would be to make use of subject line. Kinda like reading a newspaper, the subject line is like a headline of a newspaper. Personally I pay attention to an informative subject line. A worry in the back of my mind is with the “mass exodus” from Roots Web to other venue on whether that venue can handle the new activity or whether “we” will cause that venue to crash and burn. Here's hoping that is a needless concern. Once the list is established … there needs to be centralized place where a directory or a place of registration that searching community would go to find the list. Since I am US based, USGenWeb comes to mind. This maybe more difficult step. USGenWeb sites are individually maintained. Hearing rumblings that this may be solved in the near future. Last concern (for the moment) would be “being nice and playing well with others.” Personally, have not experienced this problem. Frustration, maybe. Especially when Roots Web fell apart and returned “fixed” with continuing problems. For example, I still have to push through a post from someone using AOL. AOL users … this is why your post takes a little longer to be seen. Sorry, I do my best with the tools I have to work with. Patience is probably going to be the keyword in days to come. Patience with the leaders that will step forward. They are going to be putting a lot on their plates and will need support in establishing a new venue and getting it working, establishing their rules, etc. Congratulation to those lists that have found a “new home.” From what I see you are in good hands! Will try to make this last posting to those newly adopted lists. (Posting to all lists today.) At this point in time, Family Trees, Message Boards, Web Sites, & Wiki at Roots Web are not effected to my knowledge. Of course, Message Boards are already part of Ancestry. So open conversation. Work on finding a volunteer to lead the list forward. I'm gonna stop rambling for the moment. I'm here till they turn off the lights and lock the door. Susan

/_*Unsubscribing from Mailing List(s)*_/ With the upcoming changes to Roots Web, some have decided to “leave early.” Which I personally understand. Since I am busy, I would like to ask for your help. Should you make the decision to close your membership to list please do the following: Insert or substitute listname before dash. To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to listname-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:wvlogan-request@rootsweb.com> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. OR A link is provided at the bottom of individual and digests. Help in this area will be completely appreciated and will be considered an act of kindness.

/_*Genealogy of Roots Web*_/ Since most of us are genealogists or family historians, I write this to answer the primary questions I am receiving in “genealogy speak.” Mailing lists were scattered about the Internet prior to the conception of Roots Web (ie: AOL, Prodigy, Compuserve, and others) BIRTH: Sometime in 1996, Karen & Brian Leverich, conceived what it is now known as Roots Web. Roots Web grew to host uncountable mailing list of many subjects, surnames, places, etc. These mailing lists were free to its users/subscribers. MARRIAGE: June 2000. Roots Web was married (purchased by) Ancestry, Inc. with prenuptial agreement that mailing list services would remain free. I believe to be sometime in 2015, our beloved Roots Web began to suffer health issues. My speculation is outgrew its existence and its host was unable to keep up without a major and costly overhaul. After a year plus, Roots Web reopened its doors, but a lot of her faithful subscribers had lost interest or found other vehicles to convey their passages of information. During this time, other updates on the Internet have occurred. These changes have caused some subscribers unable to participate. Not qualified to expand on this other than to say that some folks have lost connection with Roots Web, DEATH: 2 March 2020. Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. BURIAL: Archives will be available to peruse. No further information as to where, how long, or whether a price tag will be added. Hope this helps. Susan Penn Groover

Hi everyone! This has been heavy on my heart since Ancestry / Roots Web announcement. I have been admin / moderator for various mailing lists for 25+ years (some lists that predate Roots Web). The options for change do not fit my personal criteria. This is, also, not happening at a time I am able to give personal time for this change. Plus, I think Ancestry is not given an adequate “heads up” for this change. (I personally admin 200+ lists) So I have made the decision to become a subscriber as opposed to an administrator. I will remain admin to the mailing lists I currently admin till Roots Web makes the changes they propose on March 2^nd . I am leaving the decision for change to the list members. I am still gathering options. I will post suggestions in the next few days. The major option I am hearing is Facebook. I suppose this could work. But Facebook, in my humble opinion, would be turning a mailing list into a message board. And various mailing list members have stated they would not Facebook. Personally, I am in this bucket. I have personal issues with Facebook. Open discussion on the list. Voice your opinion. Enough for now. Will post more on other options in the future. Susan Penn Groover, List Administrator

For those that have not heard the news ... Rootsweb will no longer be supporting mailing lists in March 2020.  It will remain read only, so archives will be accessible.  In my mind, I question how long. Please keep in mind that each mailing list archives is the property of RootsWeb and will not be able to moved, removed, etc. Only the mailing list members list will be accessible by the admin for that list. I am looking for alternatives which I have started listing below. Alternatives: Ancestry -- as I understand, this alternative is platform based. Meaning one would have to long into to post a message as opposed to simply sending an e-mail. Groups.io -- would keep mailing, but to get full function a fee would be required. Google Groups -- I have not researched this option.  Personally, I have issues with Google and will not pursue this option as admin. I suppose the major decision is whether to remain an e-mail based Group or platform based? My personal prerequisite is that it must be FREE. Discussion in open... Susan Groover, List Admin. -- --- Genealogy:  Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.

We would like to announce the forming of a new organization the Cumberland Gap Tennessee Genealogy and History Group, A.K.A (CGTGHG) which propose to record and preserve. The goal of the group is to promote Genealogy with the recording of Pioneerâs and their descendantâs while also preserving and recording Cumberland Gapâs history. The CGTGHG hopeâs the Nation will get behind the group by submitting pioneerâs names, stories, pictures and Genealogies to be preserved for future generations to come. The CGTGHG will be having a newsletter 4 times a year and will have memberships available on different levels more on that to come. You can go to our website at [1]cgtghg.org or [2]facebook.com/cgtghg Thank You, David A Nelson Jr Website and Social Media References 1. http://cgtghg.org/ 2. http://facebook.com/cgtghg

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: martiroe Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/447.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I also have the book. Marti Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carolbrennanwindsor Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/447.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have the book. Can I help you???? Carol Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BarbaraODonahue Surnames: STICKNEY Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/449/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for obit for Bernard James "Jim" Stickney who died August 10, 1986 in Apache Junction. Help appreciated. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/16729682/person/19895229405 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: toothpick97 Surnames: Maxwell, Brown Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/448.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was able to find Charles Maxwell through a cousin I found through a cousin match on my ancestryDNA. He has been a huge help in researching the Maxwell and Brown families. Thank you for your reply! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: judyartley26191 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/448.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Do a Google search for Charles Maxwell Arizona. Several Charles Maxwell's will appear. Maybe the lawyer is the one who created the CD. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: april_lacroix84 Surnames: Maxwell, Brown, Young Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/448/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Around 2006, I purchased a CD compiled by Charles H. Maxwell of Pima, AZ. It is titled "Lorenzo John Brown and Selina Mahitable Young: Life and Times, 1st edition, volume 1." The CD contains a book, biographical sketches and pictures of the extended Brown/Maxwell families. I have tried contacting Charles Maxwell to see if there is any updated material available, but neither the email address nor phone numbers listed on the info are working. Does anyone know how to contact this man? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bertsimonis Surnames: Valencia Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/419.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bravda was my wife's great great grandmother. We too would like to know more about her. My wife spent summers with her great grandmother Mary Valencia when she was a child. If you have any additional information about Bravda since your first post here - that would be helpful to us. Thanks! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cbs55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/84.5.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: HI; Since all this came into the open, I've located a document at Yavapai Courthouse that clearly displays a number for registration of land in St; Johns. So the question continues....how did Barth obtain the right to sell this land ? Any ideas ? Best to ya, Chuck Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cbs55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/208.1.2.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Andres Moreno was also a 'freighter' along that same route working for Barth. Barth recruited many Hispanic families to move from Cebolleta, New Mexico to the St; Johns area and cultivate the land & own it. The story goes south from there. The 'Ancient route ' was well traveled by then ...just look at El Morrow National Monument as names date back to 1605 and hand worked drawings, signs and hand prints indicate. Barth a crew went thru this area in 1872 and most likely, even sooner. Best to you, Chuck Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hello, My name is Vickie Ortiz and I have recently launched a website called idaphoto in order to identify unknown lost photos that are inherited, found in antique shops, and found after a natural disaster. These are photos that are someone's mother, sister, brother, son, grandparents, great grandparents etc. We are hoping to get as many as possible identified and reunited with their families. The reason we are sending this to you is to let you know we are an available resource to help you with any photos you do not know the identity of. It must be of a person or persons. Also, you can take a look at the photos we do have and see if you recognize anyone? Please see link below. www.idaphoto.net If you see a photo that you recognize would you please contact us at the link provided on the website. Thank you! Vickie Ortiz www.idaphoto.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: afalardeau123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arizona.counties.apache/447.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Juan Candelaria was married to Francis Bazan? Look at Falardeau family tree Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.