Mike, Do you have any dates (birth/death) records for this Mary Boyd? Regards, Debbie Rea On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: > With Mary Boyd being married in 1794 would mean that she was not part of > the Head of Clan Boyd, as the Head of the Clan was executed in 1746 and his > son James Boyd in 1758 became the Earl of Errol and changed his name to Hay. > > In the 1600's you had a number of centres where Boyds lived. > > - Kilmarnock > - Ayr (town) > - Irvine > - Ardrossan > - and around Largs > > Mike Boyd > > -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea via > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 12:23 AM > To: Peter STRAUSS > Cc: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD > > Hi Peter, > > Could you tell me if Mary was part of the Kilmarnock Boyds? I have a > booklet called *The People of Sixteenth Century Ayrshire* by Margaret H.B. > Sanderson which lists out where people in Ayrshire were living. I realize, > of course, that this is a far cry from the dates you have provided but > maybe you could work backwards to forwards? > > Regards, > Debbie Rea > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Peter STRAUSS via <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > Mary Boyd was my GGGG grandmother. >> >> In 1794 she and Stewart Murray Fullarton had a daughter, Barbara >> Fullarton. >> >> In 1803 she married William Roxburgh and together they had 6 children with >> 4 >> surviving to adulthood. >> >> Are there any Listers out there who could assist me with further >> information >> or even photographs of any of this family please? >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Peter >> >> Melbourne >> >> Australia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Debbie, The Mary Boyd who I am seeking information on was born C 1774 [calculated from age on death document]. She did not marry Stewart Murray Fullarton Her first child, Barbara Fullarton was born out of wedlock, but acknowledged by Stewart Murray Fullarton, later Laird; she married William Roxburgh in Renfrew in 1803, he was a ships carpenter. They had probably 6 children 4 of who survived into adulthood. She died in 1858 at Renfrew. I suspect that she was possibly a servant in the Fullarton household or perhaps her parents worked on the [Bartonholme] estate. I have not pinpointed a birth document on ScotlandsPeople but do have the birth record for Barbara Fullarton [which includes Stewart Murray Fullarton’s name] she is recorded as a “Natural Daughter”. I have copies of PP 199,200 and 202 of the Irvine Church Session minutes for May, July and October 1774 which records that Mary and Stewart were “...absolved from the scandal of the sin of fornication...” I could send you copies of the documents that I have if you wish. Cheers Peter Melbourne Australia From: Deborah Rea [mailto:deborah.rea94@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2014 12:20 PM To: Mike Boyd Cc: Peter STRAUSS; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD m 794 Stewart Murray Fullarton

Peter In Mary Boyd/Roxburgh – I assume there is no mention of her parents name in the death certificate? With the Irvine Church Session minutes, is there any mention of Mary Boyd’s parents or where Mary might have lived? Mike Boyd From: Peter STRAUSS Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 1:31 PM To: 'Deborah Rea' Cc: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com ; 'Mike Boyd' Subject: RE: [AYR] MARY BOYD m 794 Stewart Murray Fullarton Hi Debbie, The Mary Boyd who I am seeking information on was born C 1774 [calculated from age on death document]. She did not marry Stewart Murray Fullarton Her first child, Barbara Fullarton was born out of wedlock, but acknowledged by Stewart Murray Fullarton, later Laird; she married William Roxburgh in Renfrew in 1803, he was a ships carpenter. They had probably 6 children 4 of who survived into adulthood. She died in 1858 at Renfrew. I suspect that she was possibly a servant in the Fullarton household or perhaps her parents worked on the [Bartonholme] estate. I have not pinpointed a birth document on ScotlandsPeople but do have the birth record for Barbara Fullarton [which includes Stewart Murray Fullarton’s name] she is recorded as a “Natural Daughter”. I have copies of PP 199,200 and 202 of the Irvine Church Session minutes for May, July and October 1774 which records that Mary and Stewart were “...absolved from the scandal of the sin of fornication...” I could send you copies of the documents that I have if you wish. Cheers Peter Melbourne Australia From: Deborah Rea [mailto:deborah.rea94@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2014 12:20 PM To: Mike Boyd Cc: Peter STRAUSS; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD m 794 Stewart Murray Fullarton

Deborah I just looked at my 1981 IGI for the Scotland but in the Mary Boyd’s I do not have the page that covers 1802-1822. As the Fullarton’s came from south of Irvine, so this Mary Boyd might have come from – Irvine Dreghorn or even Ayr town In 1794 how old was “Stewart Murray Fullarton”? And was he married or a “young” man. This might determine Mary’s year of birth. If a servant, she could have been a teenager – so born between 1773 or later. I know that the North Ayrshire Local Studies Library has the Old Parish Registers, so they might be able to help find Barbara Fullarton birth entry and to see what Mary Boyd is listed as and if there are any details about Mary’s parents Mike Boyd From: Deborah Rea Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:19 AM To: Mike Boyd Cc: Peter STRAUSS ; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD m 794 Stewart Murray Fullarton Mike, Do you have any dates (birth/death) records for this Mary Boyd? Regards, Debbie Rea On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: With Mary Boyd being married in 1794 would mean that she was not part of the Head of Clan Boyd, as the Head of the Clan was executed in 1746 and his son James Boyd in 1758 became the Earl of Errol and changed his name to Hay. In the 1600's you had a number of centres where Boyds lived. - Kilmarnock - Ayr (town) - Irvine - Ardrossan - and around Largs Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea via Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 12:23 AM To: Peter STRAUSS Cc: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD

Hello Mike, The Lady Mary Boyd I have was b. 15 Dec. 1665 Kilmarnock and died abt 1677 Kilmarnock. So, would she be a part of the House of Boyd? Lady Mary Boyd1st cousin 2x removed of husband of 4th great grand auntBirth 15 December 1665 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, ScotlandDeath 1677 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland I have William Boyd, Fourth Earl of Kilmarnock who was the 2nd great grandfather of wife of 3rd great grand uncle. I suspect that he might need to be moved from his present place on the tree because once these relationships start going out I become worried. I have recently discovered the Boyd-L Archives and am wading my way through all the names. William Boyd Fourth Earl of Kilmarnock2nd great grandfather of wife of 3rd great grand uncleBirth 12 May 1705 in Dean Castle, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, ScotlandDeath 18 August 1746 in Tower Hill, London, England executed for his part in the rising 1745 Regards, Debbie Rea On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: > Deborah > I just looked at my 1981 IGI for the Scotland but in the Mary Boyd’s I do > not have the page that covers 1802-1822. > > As the Fullarton’s came from south of Irvine, so this Mary Boyd might have > come from – Irvine Dreghorn or even Ayr town > > In 1794 how old was “Stewart Murray Fullarton”? And was he married or a > “young” man. This might determine Mary’s year of birth. If a servant, she > could have been a teenager – so born between 1773 or later. > > I know that the North Ayrshire Local Studies Library has the Old Parish > Registers, so they might be able to help find Barbara Fullarton birth entry > and to see what Mary Boyd is listed as and if there are any details about > Mary’s parents > > Mike Boyd > > *From:* Deborah Rea <deborah.rea94@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:19 AM > *To:* Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> > *Cc:* Peter STRAUSS <p.strauss@iinet.net.au> ; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; > SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com > *Subject:* Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD m 794 Stewart Murray Fullarton > > Mike, > > Do you have any dates (birth/death) records for this Mary Boyd? > > Regards, > Debbie Rea > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> With Mary Boyd being married in 1794 would mean that she was not part of >> the Head of Clan Boyd, as the Head of the Clan was executed in 1746 and his >> son James Boyd in 1758 became the Earl of Errol and changed his name to Hay. >> >> In the 1600's you had a number of centres where Boyds lived. >> >> - Kilmarnock >> - Ayr (town) >> - Irvine >> - Ardrossan >> - and around Largs >> >> Mike Boyd >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea via >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 12:23 AM >> To: Peter STRAUSS >> Cc: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD >> >>

Debbie 1) I have these Details for Lady Mary Boyd Q2 Lady[1] Mary/Marie[2] Boyd, b / /1665 ( ), C 15/12/1665 (Dumbarton, Kirkintillock Parish, Dumbartonshire)[3], d 17xx ( ), bu , m / /168x ( , ), said to have married Sir Alexander Maclean, son of and (nee ) Maclean, b 16xx ( ), d 17xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1]From notes by Robert H. Boyd, 2221 SE Gowin Dr., Port St Lucie, Florida. USA. 34952. based on History of the Boyd Clan and Related Families by Fredrich T. Boyd PhD 1962. [2]Name as listed in the 1994 IGI for the UK - MARIE BOYDE. My understanding is that Mary and Marie were interchangeable names in Scotland at this period. [3]From 1994 IGI for the UK. This is from The Scots Peerage, Vol 5, p 174 whcih says From: Deborah Rea Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:39 PM To: Mike Boyd Cc: Peter STRAUSS ; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD m 1794 Stewart Murray Fullarton Hello Mike, The Lady Mary Boyd I have was b. 15 Dec. 1665 Kilmarnock and died abt 1677 Kilmarnock. So, would she be a part of the House of Boyd? Lady Mary Boyd 1st cousin 2x removed of husband of 4th great grand aunt Birth 15 December 1665 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland Death 1677 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland I have William Boyd, Fourth Earl of Kilmarnock who was the 2nd great grandfather of wife of 3rd great grand uncle. I suspect that he might need to be moved from his present place on the tree because once these relationships start going out I become worried. I have recently discovered the Boyd-L Archives and am wading my way through all the names. William Boyd Fourth Earl of Kilmarnock 2nd great grandfather of wife of 3rd great grand uncle Birth 12 May 1705 in Dean Castle, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland Death 18 August 1746 in Tower Hill, London, England executed for his part in the rising 1745 Regards, Debbie Rea On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: Deborah I just looked at my 1981 IGI for the Scotland but in the Mary Boyd’s I do not have the page that covers 1802-1822. As the Fullarton’s came from south of Irvine, so this Mary Boyd might have come from – Irvine Dreghorn or even Ayr town In 1794 how old was “Stewart Murray Fullarton”? And was he married or a “young” man. This might determine Mary’s year of birth. If a servant, she could have been a teenager – so born between 1773 or later. I know that the North Ayrshire Local Studies Library has the Old Parish Registers, so they might be able to help find Barbara Fullarton birth entry and to see what Mary Boyd is listed as and if there are any details about Mary’s parents Mike Boyd From: Deborah Rea Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:19 AM To: Mike Boyd Cc: Peter STRAUSS ; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD m 794 Stewart Murray Fullarton Mike, Do you have any dates (birth/death) records for this Mary Boyd? Regards, Debbie Rea On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: With Mary Boyd being married in 1794 would mean that she was not part of the Head of Clan Boyd, as the Head of the Clan was executed in 1746 and his son James Boyd in 1758 became the Earl of Errol and changed his name to Hay. In the 1600's you had a number of centres where Boyds lived. - Kilmarnock - Ayr (town) - Irvine - Ardrossan - and around Largs Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea via Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 12:23 AM To: Peter STRAUSS Cc: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD

Which says 6. MARY, said to have been married to Sir Alexander Maclean. *8 This Sir Alexander Maclean is a Cadet of the Maclean’s of Argyllshire and I have been trying for several years to find out if he and Mary had any children. I did find out in 2012, on a visit to Fort William, that he was one of King James’s Regiment commander in Ireland in 1689-90, but I have not yet found out what happened to him after 1690 when James was defeated at the Battle of the Boyne. 2) The second point is that – from the dates given – Mary was only 12 years old when she died, so it is very unlikely that if she died about 1677 that she would have been married and had a child at that age 3) Thirdly, the Earl and family appear to have been living at Badenhealth in Dumbatonshire – just west of Cumbernauld – during the 1660’s and 1670’s, as Dean Castle seems to have been used as a Military “Post” during the Covenanter period. 4) Mary Boyd, is one of the most common female Boyd names, so if this Mary Boyd died in about 1677 in KILMARNOCK, it could be that she is from a separate Boyd family. In the 1691 Health Tax list there is more than 30 Boyd families in Kilmarnock. And I expect that nearly every one of these families had a daughter called Mary Boyd. Oh, who do you have as this Mary Boyd’s husband. Mike Boyd From: Deborah Rea Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:39 PM To: Mike Boyd Cc: Peter STRAUSS ; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] MARY BOYD m 1794 Stewart Murray Fullarton Hello Mike, The Lady Mary Boyd I have was b. 15 Dec. 1665 Kilmarnock and died abt 1677 Kilmarnock. So, would she be a part of the House of Boyd? Lady Mary Boyd 1st cousin 2x removed of husband of 4th great grand aunt Birth 15 December 1665 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland Death 1677 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland I have William Boyd, Fourth Earl of Kilmarnock who was the 2nd great grandfather of wife of 3rd great grand uncle. I suspect that he might need to be moved from his present place on the tree because once these relationships start going out I become worried. I have recently discovered the Boyd-L Archives and am wading my way through all the names. William Boyd Fourth Earl of Kilmarnock 2nd great grandfather of wife of 3rd great grand uncle Birth 12 May 1705 in Dean Castle, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland Death 18 August 1746 in Tower Hill, London, England executed for his part in the rising 1745 Regards, Debbie Rea