A bit more online research and I MAY have come up with the answer to my question...... By not assuming James was Robert's father, via the IGI I came up with the 1830 marriage for a Robert CAMPBELL and a Mary MAYOR at Stevenston, Ayr. I believe Mary MAYOR was the sister to James HONDERWOOD's 1844 wife Catherine MAYOR. So in that case Robert Campbell 15 in the 1851 census for Lancashire was indeed nephew to Catherine and by extension to James HONDERWOOD also. Interesting it seems the Mary Ann CAMPBELL 17 also listed as a "visitor" was also a niece to the head of the household but possibly not living there. also per IGI Robert CAMPBELL and Mary MAYOR there are these 4 baptisms:- Ann Munn CAMPBELL 1830 Mary Ann in 1833, Robert CAMPBELL in 1836. Peter Mayor CAMPBELL IN 1838 All born at Stevenston, Ayr The questions now is are the whole family listed in the Scotland 1841 census and by definition Robert and Mary Ann should both be absent by 1851 if I am on the right track? What is the occupation of the father? Cheers from Bob Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Bob Campbell Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:03 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Robert Campbell born Ayr or Glasgow around 1836 I am searching for the birth record and possible 1841 census entry for this Robert Campbell's family. Robert was born around 1835/36 and joined the RHA as a shoesmith in 1857 On census later he claimed Glasgow as his birthplace but his pension papers say this was in Ayr Connondle in 1835 which may be the army's interpretation for "Colmonell". I believe this is him in the 1861 census........... Robert aged 15 across the border in Lancashire as an apprentice to his uncle James Honderwood a blacksmith. This 1851 census household also has a Mary Ann Campbell "visitor" aged 17 born in Scotland (1834) maybe a clue connection to Robert? James Honderwood's wife from 1851 was a Catherine Mayor they were married in 1844 at Prescott, Lancashire, so no Campbell connection there. per the IGI James Honderwood was born in Ayr in 1815. Perhaps he was married to a Campbell earlier? Robert on his marriage certificate was very specific that his father was James Campbell and his occupation was blacksmith! He also claimed being born in Glasgow in later census, so maybe he was referring to James Honderwood as he knew no better? His original parents maybe both deceased by 1851? Any likely 1841 sightings for Robert aged 5 but missing in Scotland 10 years later for the 1851 census may be him, and obviously the Honderwood family have some connection. Cheers from Bob Campbell in Aus

Hello Bob, I am just looking through this information and agree that the age discrepancy due to transcription error on Freecen as mentioned by Jo Ann. In any event I do have some early research on this family as I looked at them while looking for my Campbell of Stevenston family. I just did a fast forward on Ancestry and can find them on the 41 as noted but on the 51 Robert, Mary Mayor, son Peter as well as James Donaldson b Ayrshire abt 1831.Mary Ann, Robert Jr and Ann Munn Campbell not at home with the parents but haven't looked for then yet. By 61 Peter Mayor Campbell is lving with his parents in Lancashire with John Donaldson age 4 yrs, nephew. By 71 Mary Mayor is aged 73, her son PeteMayor Campbelll is head of household and sister Mary Ann is living with the family aged 37 yrs In formation that I have researched on the family is noted below and Peter Mayor listed on the 1911 England Census as a retired sub editor and registration agent/ Please remember that is was given to me and meant to be a guide to possibly find more answers to queries and hopefully help bring you closer to an answer. Alexander Campbell and Jane Cunningham m Jan 26 1793, Robert b Jan 5 1804 Stevenston and married May Mayor June 6 1830 Stevenston I have a date for John brother to father Robert of 1791 and the following sent to me in 2004. .'' I know also from a book written by Peter Mayor CAMPBELL that his father had a brother John, who was a soldier, and I have found from the regimental records that he should have been born in 1796. However according to the parish records he was born 22 Aug 1801 However as he is supposed to have taken part in the Peninsular Wars and been at the Battle of Waterloo, a birth year of 1801 seems a little late - or did they have fourteen year old soldiers in those days? Reference only from John Rouse 2004" Also: . In 1914 in a dedication at the front of his book "Newton in Makerfield, Its History, with some account of its people" John Henry Lane wrote: PETER MAYOR CAMPBELL was born on the 28th May, 1838, "in a house on the south side of the High-street of Stevenston," a village in Ayrshire, and is the younger son of Robert Cunningham Campbell and his wife Mary, the eldest sister of Peter Mayor of Coatbridge. His father was a silk weaver, but on that industry declining, joined his brother-in-law, Peter Mayor, in making tiles to drain the Duke of Portland's estates in Ayrshire. Jon Rouse wrote:Linda Nordby 2000 For example on my wife's side, her grandfather was Robert Frederick Syme CAMPBELL. His mother was Christina SYME, and his father was Peter Mayor Campbell. Peter Mayor's mother was Mary MAYOR, and his father Robert Cunningham CAMPBELL. All the best Linda Nordby -------------------------------- A bit more online research and I MAY have come up with the answer to my question...... By not assuming James was Robert's father, via the IGI I came up with the 1830 marriage for a Robert CAMPBELL and a Mary MAYOR at Stevenston, Ayr. I believe Mary MAYOR was the sister to James HONDERWOOD's 1844 wife Catherine MAYOR. So in that case Robert Campbell 15 in the 1851 census for Lancashire was indeed nephew to Catherine and by extension to James HONDERWOOD also. Interesting it seems the Mary Ann CAMPBELL 17 also listed as a "visitor" was also a niece to the head of the household but possibly not living there. also per IGI Robert CAMPBELL and Mary MAYOR there are these 4 baptisms:- Ann Munn CAMPBELL 1830 Mary Ann in 1833, Robert CAMPBELL in 1836. Peter Mayor CAMPBELL IN 1838 All born at Stevenston, Ayr The questions now is are the whole family listed in the Scotland 1841 census and by definition Robert and Mary Ann should both be absent by 1851 if I am on the right track? What is the occupation of the father? Cheers from Bob Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Bob Campbell Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:03 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Robert Campbell born Ayr or Glasgow around 1836 I am searching for the birth record and possible 1841 census entry for this Robert Campbell's family. Robert was born around 1835/36 and joined the RHA as a shoesmith in 1857 On census later he claimed Glasgow as his birthplace but his pension papers say this was in Ayr Connondle in 1835 which may be the army's interpretation for "Colmonell". I believe this is him in the 1861 census........... Robert aged 15 across the border in Lancashire as an apprentice to his uncle James Honderwood a blacksmith. This 1851 census household also has a Mary Ann Campbell "visitor" aged 17 born in Scotland (1834) maybe a clue connection to Robert? James Honderwood's wife from 1851 was a Catherine Mayor they were married in 1844 at Prescott, Lancashire, so no Campbell connection there. per the IGI James Honderwood was born in Ayr in 1815. Perhaps he was married to a Campbell earlier? Robert on his marriage certificate was very specific that his father was James Campbell and his occupation was blacksmith! He also claimed being born in Glasgow in later census, so maybe he was referring to James Honderwood as he knew no better? His original parents maybe both deceased by 1851? Any likely 1841 sightings for Robert aged 5 but missing in Scotland 10 years later for the 1851 census may be him, and obviously the Honderwood family have some connection. Cheers from Bob Campbell in Aus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message