Many thanks to both Jo Ann, and Linda Norby for their speedy response. This weekend will attempt to obtain the images of the 1841 and 1851 census to verify the transcriptions, and perhaps the English ones from then on. A couple of questions :- If Ann Munn Campbell baptism was in 1830, then by the 1841 census she should be aged 11 and the eldest daughter, maybe she died or is elsewhere? if there is no record for a 3 year old Marion (twin to Peter?) it maybe that she is Mary Ann and she should be 8? I have a “free weekend” coming up on Findmypast are the Scottish census images available on that website as well as transcripts? I have recently expended some credits on Scotlandspeople for images not just census but also Old Parish register entries on the maybe the wrong family at Loudoun, is this the only source for such images?. If as Jo Ann says “ NAME: Mary Ann Campbell BIRTH: 21 Oct 1833 - Ayrshire, Scotland DEATH: 04 Nov 1896 (4 Nov 1896) - Edinburgh(Midlothian)MARRIAGE: 30 Nov 1852 - Longside, Aberdeen(Aberdeenshire)PARENTS: Robert Campbell, Mary Mayor SPOUSE: William Legg “ then the Mary Ann I found age 17 with James Honderwood as a “visitor” in 1851, could be the same with the “niece” connection to James’ wife Catherine (nee’ MAYOR) , BUT she should just appear as Mary Ann LEGG in later census. Is the Mary Ann aged 37 in 1871 and listed as Peter’s sister, listed as a CAMPBELL or a LEGG? Is Mary Ann LEGG shown in the 1861 census with her husband William? So far I have drawn blanks in verifying Robert’s father was James Campbell a blacksmith, which is only mentioned once on his marriage register entry in Dublin in 1861. His RHA attestation paper may indicate otherwise however prior to 1883 these seem elusive at the TNA in London. I believe that yes indeed the army took in very young boys for example “drummer boys” and the difference in birth year 1796 or 1801 for John Campbell could be explained he lied about his age. Findmypast.com has 5 John Campbells listed in its Waterloo medal roll, one of those may be him. If he is listed with his birth year” and regiment, number etc he may also be on FMP’s regimental service records for army pensioners. The pension records usually list medals received. There is one likely candidate for a John Campbell among 11 born in Scotland in 1796 with the “event” date of 1812 at Barony Glasgow Lanarkshire. “Event” on these records usually meant when enlisted making this particular recruit just 16. Cheers from Bob Campbell From: LINDA NORDBY Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 3:47 PM To: Bob Campbell Cc: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Robert Campbell born Ayr or Glasgow around 1836 in1841/1851? Hello Bob, I am just looking through this information and agree that the age discrepancy due to transcription error on Freecen as mentioned by Jo Ann. In any event I do have some early research on this family as I looked at them while looking for my Campbell of Stevenston family. I just did a fast forward on Ancestry and can find them on the 41 as noted but on the 51 Robert, Mary Mayor, son Peter as well as James Donaldson b Ayrshire abt 1831.Mary Ann, Robert Jr and Ann Munn Campbell not at home with the parents but haven't looked for then yet. By 61 Peter Mayor Campbell is lving with his parents in Lancashire with John Donaldson age 4 yrs, nephew. By 71 Mary Mayor is aged 73, her son PeteMayor Campbelll is head of household and sister Mary Ann is living with the family aged 37 yrs Information that I have researched on the family is noted below and Peter Mayor listed on the 1911 England Census as a retired sub editor and registration agent/ Please remember that is was given to me and meant to be a guide to possibly find more answers to queries and hopefully help bring you closer to an answer. Alexander Campbell and Jane Cunningham m Jan 26 1793, Robert b Jan 5 1804 Stevenston and married May Mayor June 6 1830 Stevenston I have a date for John brother to father Robert of 1791 and the following sent to me in 2004. .''I know also from a book written by Peter Mayor CAMPBELL that his father had a brother John, who was a soldier, and I have found from the regimental records that he should have been born in 1796. However according to the parish records he was born 22 Aug 1801 However as he is supposed to have taken part in the Peninsular Wars and been at the Battle of Waterloo, a birth year of 1801 seems a little late - or did they have fourteen year old soldiers in those days? Reference only from John Rouse 2004" Also: .In 1914 in a dedication at the front of his book "Newton in Makerfield, Its History, with some account of its people" John Henry Lane wrote: PETER MAYOR CAMPBELL was born on the 28th May, 1838, "in a house on the south side of the High-street of Stevenston," a village in Ayrshire, and is the younger son of Robert Cunningham Campbell and his wife Mary, the eldest sister of Peter Mayor of Coatbridge. His father was a silk weaver, but on that industry declining, joined his brother-in-law, Peter Mayor, in making tiles to drain the Duke of Portland's estates in Ayrshire. Jon Rouse wrote:Linda Nordby 2000 For example on my wife's side, her grandfather was Robert Frederick Syme CAMPBELL. His mother was Christina SYME, and his father was Peter Mayor Campbell. Peter Mayor's mother was Mary MAYOR, and his father Robert Cunningham CAMPBELL. All the best Linda Nordby -------------------------------- A bit more online research and I MAY have come up with the answer to my question...... By not assuming James was Robert's father, via the IGI I came up with the 1830 marriage for a Robert CAMPBELL and a Mary MAYOR at Stevenston, Ayr. I believe Mary MAYOR was the sister to James HONDERWOOD's 1844 wife Catherine MAYOR. So in that case Robert Campbell 15 in the 1851 census for Lancashire was indeed nephew to Catherine and by extension to James HONDERWOOD also. Interesting it seems the Mary Ann CAMPBELL 17 also listed as a "visitor" was also a niece to the head of the household but possibly not living there. also per IGI Robert CAMPBELL and Mary MAYOR there are these 4 baptisms:- Ann Munn CAMPBELL 1830 Mary Ann in 1833, Robert CAMPBELL in 1836. Peter Mayor CAMPBELL IN 1838 All born at Stevenston, Ayr

Hello Bob,, As you will see by the results of the 1871 census two different Mary Anns`. Mary Ann wife of William Legg living in Aberdeen, noted as born Glasgow and Mary Ann Campbell b Oct 21 1833 Stevenston Ayrshire is the sister of Peter Mayor Campbell born Stevenston, May 27 1838. She is noted on the image as unmarried. 1871 Name: Mary Ann Legg Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : William Legg Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow Registration Number: 225 Registration district: New Deer Civil Parish: New Deer County: Aberdeenshire Address: Village Of New Maud Occupation: Slater's Wife ED: 2 Household schedule number: 61 LINE: 2 Roll: CSSCT1871_41 Household Members: Name Age William Legg 44 Mary Ann Legg 38 George Legg 17 Margaret M Legg 11 William R Legg 9 Angus G Legg 7 Mary Agnes Legg 4 Frederick Legg 2 Isabella B Legg 1 Mo Helen Will 18 1871 Name: Mary Anne Campbell Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Sister Mother's name: Mary Mayer Campbell Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Newton in Makerfield Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Warrington Sub-registration district: Newton in Makerfield ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 25 Piece: 3899 Folio: 101 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Peter Mayer Campbell 32 Mary Mayer Campbell 73 Mary Anne Campbell 37 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Campbell via" <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 12:28:55 PM Subject: Re: [AYR] Robert Campbell born Ayr or Glasgow around 1836 in1841/1851? Many thanks to both Jo Ann, and Linda Norby for their speedy response. This weekend will attempt to obtain the images of the 1841 and 1851 census to verify the transcriptions, and perhaps the English ones from then on. A couple of questions :- If Ann Munn Campbell baptism was in 1830, then by the 1841 census she should be aged 11 and the eldest daughter, maybe she died or is elsewhere? if there is no record for a 3 year old Marion (twin to Peter?) it maybe that she is Mary Ann and she should be 8? I have a “free weekend” coming up on Findmypast are the Scottish census images available on that website as well as transcripts? I have recently expended some credits on Scotlandspeople for images not just census but also Old Parish register entries on the maybe the wrong family at Loudoun, is this the only source for such images?. If as Jo Ann says “ NAME: Mary Ann Campbell BIRTH: 21 Oct 1833 - Ayrshire, Scotland DEATH: 04 Nov 1896 (4 Nov 1896) - Edinburgh(Midlothian)MARRIAGE: 30 Nov 1852 - Longside, Aberdeen(Aberdeenshire)PARENTS: Robert Campbell, Mary Mayor SPOUSE: William Legg “ then the Mary Ann I found age 17 with James Honderwood as a “visitor” in 1851, could be the same with the “niece” connection to James’ wife Catherine (nee’ MAYOR) , BUT she should just appear as Mary Ann LEGG in later census. Is the Mary Ann aged 37 in 1871 and listed as Peter’s sister, listed as a CAMPBELL or a LEGG? Is Mary Ann LEGG shown in the 1861 census with her husband William? So far I have drawn blanks in verifying Robert’s father was James Campbell a blacksmith, which is only mentioned once on his marriage register entry in Dublin in 1861. His RHA attestation paper may indicate otherwise however prior to 1883 these seem elusive at the TNA in London. I believe that yes indeed the army took in very young boys for example “drummer boys” and the difference in birth year 1796 or 1801 for John Campbell could be explained he lied about his age. Findmypast.com has 5 John Campbells listed in its Waterloo medal roll, one of those may be him. If he is listed with his birth year” and regiment, number etc he may also be on FMP’s regimental service records for army pensioners. The pension records usually list medals received. There is one likely candidate for a John Campbell among 11 born in Scotland in 1796 with the “event” date of 1812 at Barony Glasgow Lanarkshire. “Event” on these records usually meant when enlisted making this particular recruit just 16. Cheers from Bob Campbell From: LINDA NORDBY Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 3:47 PM To: Bob Campbell Cc: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Robert Campbell born Ayr or Glasgow around 1836 in1841/1851? Hello Bob, I am just looking through this information and agree that the age discrepancy due to transcription error on Freecen as mentioned by Jo Ann. In any event I do have some early research on this family as I looked at them while looking for my Campbell of Stevenston family. I just did a fast forward on Ancestry and can find them on the 41 as noted but on the 51 Robert, Mary Mayor, son Peter as well as James Donaldson b Ayrshire abt 1831.Mary Ann, Robert Jr and Ann Munn Campbell not at home with the parents but haven't looked for then yet. By 61 Peter Mayor Campbell is lving with his parents in Lancashire with John Donaldson age 4 yrs, nephew. By 71 Mary Mayor is aged 73, her son PeteMayor Campbelll is head of household and sister Mary Ann is living with the family aged 37 yrs Information that I have researched on the family is noted below and Peter Mayor listed on the 1911 England Census as a retired sub editor and registration agent/ Please remember that is was given to me and meant to be a guide to possibly find more answers to queries and hopefully help bring you closer to an answer. Alexander Campbell and Jane Cunningham m Jan 26 1793, Robert b Jan 5 1804 Stevenston and married May Mayor June 6 1830 Stevenston I have a date for John brother to father Robert of 1791 and the following sent to me in 2004. .''I know also from a book written by Peter Mayor CAMPBELL that his father had a brother John, who was a soldier, and I have found from the regimental records that he should have been born in 1796. However according to the parish records he was born 22 Aug 1801 However as he is supposed to have taken part in the Peninsular Wars and been at the Battle of Waterloo, a birth year of 1801 seems a little late - or did they have fourteen year old soldiers in those days? Reference only from John Rouse 2004" Also: .In 1914 in a dedication at the front of his book "Newton in Makerfield, Its History, with some account of its people" John Henry Lane wrote: PETER MAYOR CAMPBELL was born on the 28th May, 1838, "in a house on the south side of the High-street of Stevenston," a village in Ayrshire, and is the younger son of Robert Cunningham Campbell and his wife Mary, the eldest sister of Peter Mayor of Coatbridge. His father was a silk weaver, but on that industry declining, joined his brother-in-law, Peter Mayor, in making tiles to drain the Duke of Portland's estates in Ayrshire. Jon Rouse wrote:Linda Nordby 2000 For example on my wife's side, her grandfather was Robert Frederick Syme CAMPBELL. His mother was Christina SYME, and his father was Peter Mayor Campbell. Peter Mayor's mother was Mary MAYOR, and his father Robert Cunningham CAMPBELL. All the best Linda Nordby -------------------------------- A bit more online research and I MAY have come up with the answer to my question...... By not assuming James was Robert's father, via the IGI I came up with the 1830 marriage for a Robert CAMPBELL and a Mary MAYOR at Stevenston, Ayr. I believe Mary MAYOR was the sister to James HONDERWOOD's 1844 wife Catherine MAYOR. So in that case Robert Campbell 15 in the 1851 census for Lancashire was indeed nephew to Catherine and by extension to James HONDERWOOD also. Interesting it seems the Mary Ann CAMPBELL 17 also listed as a "visitor" was also a niece to the head of the household but possibly not living there. also per IGI Robert CAMPBELL and Mary MAYOR there are these 4 baptisms:- Ann Munn CAMPBELL 1830 Mary Ann in 1833, Robert CAMPBELL in 1836. Peter Mayor CAMPBELL IN 1838 All born at Stevenston, Ayr ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, scotlandspeople or an LDS family history center are the only sources for actual images of the Scottish records. You can find a local LDS center via their website at familysearch.org. You would then need to order in (think it costs $6USD each) the films you need and wait for them to be delivered to you local facility. Jo-Ann Croft On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Bob Campbell via <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have a "free weekend" coming up on Findmypast are the Scottish census > images available on that website as well as transcripts? I have recently > expended some credits on Scotlandspeople for images not just census but > also Old Parish register entries on the maybe the wrong family at Loudoun, > is this the only source for such images?. >

Bob Have you asked the North Ayrshire Local Studies Library to look up any of the Stevenston town cemeteries MI's. This was published about 20 years ago and is quite useful to find location of graves along with the inscription if the grave has been damaged. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Bob Campbell via Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 4:28 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Robert Campbell born Ayr or Glasgow around 1836in1841/1851? Many thanks to both Jo Ann, and Linda Norby for their speedy response. This weekend will attempt to obtain the images of the 1841 and 1851 census to verify the transcriptions, and perhaps the English ones from then on. A couple of questions :- If Ann Munn Campbell baptism was in 1830, then by the 1841 census she should be aged 11 and the eldest daughter, maybe she died or is elsewhere? if there is no record for a 3 year old Marion (twin to Peter?) it maybe that she is Mary Ann and she should be 8? I have a “free weekend” coming up on Findmypast are the Scottish census images available on that website as well as transcripts? I have recently expended some credits on Scotlandspeople for images not just census but also Old Parish register entries on the maybe the wrong family at Loudoun, is this the only source for such images?. If as Jo Ann says “ NAME: Mary Ann Campbell BIRTH: 21 Oct 1833 - Ayrshire, Scotland DEATH: 04 Nov 1896 (4 Nov 1896) - Edinburgh(Midlothian)MARRIAGE: 30 Nov 1852 - Longside, Aberdeen(Aberdeenshire)PARENTS: Robert Campbell, Mary Mayor