Dear List Members I am reading text tonight on the Fuedal families of Ayrshire and came across this on Wiki. Can anyone explain where this Barony of Grougar was? Any understanding of the following? Thanks, Linda The Barony of Grougar is a Scottish feudal barony which lies in north Ayrshire in the district formerly known as Cunninghame. The earliest known family likely to have owned Grougar were the De Morvilles who were there in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries before the reign of Robert the Bruce. The De Morvilles originated in Morville, Department of Manche, Normandy, arrived in England in the wake of the Norman Conquest, settled in Burg, Cumbria, and later moved to Scotland in the early 12th century where they were granted land in Ayrshire. This land grant precedes the establishment of the Register of the Great Seal of Scotland so cannot be positively confirmed. Hugo de Morville[disambiguation needed] who died in 1202 was the Constable of Scotland. By the late thirteenth century the Logan family were barons of Grougar. Thorbrand de Logan baron of Grougar is recorded in 1272 and a John de Logan of Grugar may be the John Logan described as ‘one of the king of England’s enemies’ in 1307 during the Wars of Independence. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

This does not help you in its location but the 7th Lord Boyd, Robert Boyd (1595-1628) "had charters of the barony of Grugar, in Ayrshire, 30 March 1616, with confirmation under the Great Seal 3 August 1619; ..." The Boyds in Ayrshire had land at Kilmarnock - running in a SW to NE direction through Kilmarnock and section section of land than was in a semi circle around the Hunter's; Fairlie and Boyle's lands form Portencross to Largs. I have been studying the Boyd for over 30 years, but I have yet to find this Barony. So if you have not contacted them, I would start with the Burns Centre Library at Kilmarnock. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Linda via Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:46 PM To: 'AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com' Subject: [AYR] Grugar or Grougar Ayrshire Dear List Members I am reading text tonight on the Fuedal families of Ayrshire and came across this on Wiki. Can anyone explain where this Barony of Grougar was? Any understanding of the following? Thanks, Linda The Barony of Grougar is a Scottish feudal barony which lies in north Ayrshire in the district formerly known as Cunninghame. The earliest known family likely to have owned Grougar were the De Morvilles who were there in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries before the reign of Robert the Bruce. The De Morvilles originated in Morville, Department of Manche, Normandy, arrived in England in the wake of the Norman Conquest, settled in Burg, Cumbria, and later moved to Scotland in the early 12th century where they were granted land in Ayrshire. This land grant precedes the establishment of the Register of the Great Seal of Scotland so cannot be positively confirmed. Hugo de Morville[disambiguation needed] who died in 1202 was the Constable of Scotland. By the late thirteenth century the Logan family were barons of Grougar. Thorbrand de Logan baron of Grougar is recorded in 1272 and a John de Logan of Grugar may be the John Logan described as ‘one of the king of England’s enemies’ in 1307 during the Wars of Independence. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message