Hi Linda. Grougar Mains, which presumably was the seat of the 70-acre barony, is just outside the town of Kilmarnock, less than two kilometers east of the A77 highway. Go to www.streetmap.co.uk and search for Grougar Mains. A Wikipedia article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverwood,_Ayrshire includes a two-paragraph description of the barony, one of which states : "The Scottish feudal barony of Grougar contained 70 acres of the lands of Caprickhill, including Holmhead and Miltonmill. In 1742 these lands had belonged to Thomas Millar and were sold to William Wallace for £170; in 1811 the properties were worth £7,000. Laighmilton also lay in Grougar and in 1766 its rental was 1s 8d per acre, rising to £4 per acre in 1811." You can see Caprickhill on the above map, just south of Grougar Mains. Zoom in on Caprickhill, and you'll see Miltonmill just south of that. I don't see Holmhead or Laighmilton, although the latter may be just Milton today. Milton lies a bit east-southeast of Milton Mill and beside Grougar Row. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda via Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 9:47 PM To: 'AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com' Subject: [AYR] Grugar or Grougar Ayrshire Dear List Members I am reading text tonight on the Fuedal families of Ayrshire and came across this on Wiki. Can anyone explain where this Barony of Grougar was? Any understanding of the following? Thanks, Linda The Barony of Grougar is a Scottish feudal barony which lies in north Ayrshire in the district formerly known as Cunninghame. The earliest known family likely to have owned Grougar were the De Morvilles who were there in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries before the reign of Robert the Bruce. The De Morvilles originated in Morville, Department of Manche, Normandy, arrived in England in the wake of the Norman Conquest, settled in Burg, Cumbria, and later moved to Scotland in the early 12th century where they were granted land in Ayrshire. This land grant precedes the establishment of the Register of the Great Seal of Scotland so cannot be positively confirmed. Hugo de Morville[disambiguation needed] who died in 1202 was the Constable of Scotland. By the late thirteenth century the Logan family were barons of Grougar. Thorbrand de Logan baron of Grougar is recorded in 1272 and a John de Logan of Grugar may be the John Logan described as one of the king of Englands enemies in 1307 during the Wars of Independence. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message