Hi the LDS church have filmed the Relief Church records for Irvine, I ordered the film in at our local Family History centre and looked at it, I am researching Mackies from that area. I was intrigued that Adam Mackie and his wife Janet Brown were brought before the kirk session because a child was born c 8 months after they were married, and they were censured 10yrs after their marriage. Margaret NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [AYR] arnot family and Irvine Relief Church > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: kay1707 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13988.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > There are records for Irvine Relief Church (later United Presbyterian and > United Free) 1777-1918 in the National Archives of Scotland catalogue > [http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue ref starts with CH3/409]. > > The Irvine Relief Church session minutes from 1777-1831 include a record > of marriages and baptisms [CH3/409/1]. Those from 1831-1855 include > baptisms [CH3/409/2]. If it was the Relief Church school it is possible > the minutes include some mention of the school and also possible that the > school master was the clerk to the session. > > The Relief Church was founded in 1761 and is associated with Thomas > Gillespie's opposition to patronage (the right of lay patrons, usually > landowners, to nominate the local established Church of Scotland parish > minister). > > Take another look at your ancestor's writings. In what context does 'poor > relief' appear? Poor relief before 1845/6 Acts (following the 1844 Royal > Commission on the Scottish poor laws) was administered at parish church > level as a form of 'collective support'(parish collections and donations > from landowners). By the 1830s this had been put under pressure by the > economic and social transformation from a rural to urban society and no > longer worked. > SCAN on poor relief and poor laws: > http://www.scan.org.uk/knowledgebase/topics/poorlaw1.htm > http://www.scan.org.uk/knowledgebase/topics/poorlaw2.htm > NAS guide to poor relief records http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/poor.asp > Detailed extracts from official evidence > http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/haynin/haynin1404.htm > > Best wishes, Kay in Edinburgh > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message