Is anyone researching the family of John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire? Is there anyone researching the family of John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland. They are thought by book Boyd-Patterson ancestry (by) H. Minot Pitman and Katharine Patterson Boyd Hunt. 1967, page 1, that the Robert Boyd born 2 August 1688 in Kilmarnock and died 7 March 1759, “aged” 72”, who married on 25 October 1714, at Kilmarnock, Margaret Thompson, the daughter of Peter Thompson and Bessie Adams, that he was the son of John and Agnes (Blackwood) Boyd. It also mentions of this page “More than one Boyd genealogy, Browning’s Americans of Royal Descent and others of like authenticity have maintained, without any proof, that Robert Boyd, the glover of Kilmarnock, was the fourth son of William, ninth Lord Boyd and first Earl of Kilmarnock and strength of such statement the College of Heralds in Scotland has granted the Earl’s arms with a difference to a present descendant of Robert and Margaret (Thompson) Boyd, with, however, a qualifying statement that the descent was “possible”. The Earl of Kilmarnock was married in 1661 so his fourth son would hardly have been born nearly 30 years later. [a] That Robert Boyd the glover was the son of John and Agnes (Blackwood) Boyd is likely since he is known to have been born in 1688 or 1689 and by the death record of Robert Boyd, he died in 1759, aged 72.” [a] William Boyd’s wife was Jean Cunningham, eldest daughter of William Cunningham, ninth Earl of Glencairn and Lord High Chancellor, but I do not in 2017, have the date of her birth to know how old she might have been in 1688 to be having her fourth son and several other children after that date. This 1688 date “might suggest that she was too old to bear children at that age. From what I have found William and Jean had a further four children after their son Robert was born. And it should be remembered that the Earl died in 1692, so if Browning and other authors are to be believed she had had five children in four years and only four children between 1661 and 1688. So is anyone researching the Blackwood family of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire in the late 1600’s and what is known about that family? I have then gone to the 1994 International Genealogical Index for the UK (down to Margaret Boyd) to see if I could find any entries. I then found another son born to John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood - John Boyd, Baptised 13 March 1692, at Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. This entry was from a private tree – Batch Number 7206763 and serial number 63. This is the only entry in the Boyd Index down to Margaret Boyd, suggesting that this family tree might be a Blackwood family tree rather than Boyd tree. There is another possibility, that this family of John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood have been part of the Scottish migration to Ireland after the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. So this may explain why there are no further children born in Scotland after 1692. But I have yet to find any such family in Ireland after some 13 years of searching there. Nor have I yet found any family for this John Boyd born in 1692 at Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. So if you have an “John Boyd born in 1692” in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire or Scotland, you may need to look at this person. These IGI records do not tell us which Church in the late 1680’s or 1690’s that this family attended, to help further identify this family. In this period I know of at least two Churches in Kilmarnock – the High Church and the Low Church – but there might have been other churches in Kilmarnock at this time. So I went back to the 1994 IGI for the UK and it had an entry for a John Boyd born about 1659, of Kilmarnock, who later married Agnes Blackwood. This is listed in the private tree with Batch number 442593. Again it was the only entry in the Index down to Margaret Boyd. When a entry is written this way it normally means that the researcher does not know the names of the parents. The date of marriage “might be” included in the original tree, but the LDS instead of putting in a marriage date have but in their estimate birth date in recent decades to their formatting. So in the 1680’s there could be a marriage entry for John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood in one of the Kilmarnock Churches for this couple. The 1994 IGI for the UK provides several entries for John Boyd’s born around 1659 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. 1. John Boyd, born 17 Jan. 1658 to James Boyd and Janet Thompson – Batch number 7626713, serial # 55; 2. John Boyd, Bapt. 3 May 1658 to Robert Boyd and Helen Boyd – Batch number 7113220, serial # 91; 3. Johne Boyd, Bapt 13 May 1658 to Robert Boyd and Helen Boyd – Batch number C115972; 4. Johne Boyd, Bapt 11 Sept 1659 to John Boyd and Margret Adame – Batch number c115972; 5. John Boyd, Bapt. 24 Oct 1659 to John Boyd and Janet Crawford – Batch number 7003003, serial # 15. One or none of these could be this John Boyd’s parents. So are there any Blackwood researchers looking at their family in Kilmarnock and secondly are there any Boyd researchers who have a John Boyd born in 1692, or about 1692, in Kilmarnock that might be this second known child of John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood? Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS [#69]

All rootsweb sites please copy From: Judy Neville Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 6:39 AM To: ruth.enns@shaw.ca Subject: Re: British Home children - child migrants Hello, Margaret Humphrey's book is a must read as far as I am concerned. In Canada the children that were sent from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales between 1869-1948 are referred to as British Home Children.There were over 100,000 of these children sent to Canada. It appears the children sent to Australia are known as Child Migrants. In Canada the provinces of Ontario and Nova Scotia have an official day to honour these children, It is September 28th. The Canadian government has been asked to make September 28th, National British Home Child Day. I am one of the millions of descendants here in Canada and I believe these children deserve no less then a day of recognition. In Canada the huge majority of the British Home Children were sent alone to isolated farms and rural communities, often separated from siblings and friends for the party of children they knew from their home country. I encourage everyone to good British Home Children. It has only been in the last couple decades that this story has been uncovered. It is a story that has taken wings in the last decade thanks to social media and digitized files be made available world wide. Respectfully, Quarrier of Scotland British Home Child descendant, Judy. On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:09 AM, <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> wrote: Thanks for your response, will pass this on. Do you happen to know if any were sent to South Africa? The friends & descendants here are trying to get recognition for these children from the Canadian Government. Many do not know anything about them yet other ethnic groups over the years have been publicized, so seems a void in our history. R From: Kay Williams Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 2:52 AM To: ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com ; mailto:ruth.enns@shaw.ca Subject: RE: British Home children - child migrants Dear Ruth and fellow researchers, This topic has been quite well documented. In the UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown apologised on behalf of the nation to the child migrants in February 2010 and set up a Family Restoration Fund to help reunite former child migrants with their families. “In 1986 Margaret Humphreys, a Nottinghamshire social worker, received a letter from a woman who claimed that at the age of four she was shipped to a Children's Home in Australia, and now wanted help to find her parents or relatives in Britain.” Margaret set up The Child Migrants Trust – the trust estimates as many as 130,000 children may have been shipped abroad. https://www.childmigrantstrust.com/our-work/about-us/ The practice of taking children out of overflowing orphanages and workhouses probably began in the 1880s with the ‘scattered homes’ policy. Young children were farmed out to private homes to be looked after. This was seen as progressive child care at the time. Over time some of these children were sent to the colonies – particularly just after 1945. The idea was to cut costs, provide good white stock and possibly a better chance of a good life. The life the children got was often worse and sometimes unimaginable. The SS Asturias carried the first post-1945 children to Australia: http://www.ssasturias.net/ Many well-known charities and churches were involved in sending children from the UK. The children sometimes arrived at institutions where they were put to work, received little education and were not cared for. A particularly notorious example was the institution run by the Catholic Christian Brothers at Bindoon north of Perth in Western Australia. Books include: Margaret Humphreys (1994) ‘Empty Cradles’. Margaret’s account of the Child Migrants Trust. Made into the film ‘Oranges and Sunshine’. Janet Sacks and Roger Kershaw (2002) ‘New Lives for Old: The Story of Britain's Home Children’. Academic publisher Bloomsbury - covers children sent to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, S. Africa and the former Rhodesia. David Hill (2017) ‘The Forgotten Children: Fairbridge Farm School and Its Betrayal of Britain's Child Migrants’. Be warned – this is an upsetting scandal which will drive you to tears. Best wishes, Kay Edinburgh

-------- Original Message ---------- From: Dominique <domnjim@xtra.co.nz> To: lanark@rootsweb.com, ruth.enns@shaw.ca, AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Date: 05 November 2017 at 16:45 Subject: Re: [AYR] BRITISH HOME CHILDREN See Margaret Humphreys' book Empty Cradles and the film Oranges and Sunshine for the story of the appalling maltreatment these children experienced in Australia. > On 05 November 2017 at 15:27 ruth.enns@shaw.ca wrote: > > > ( and all other UK & Oz roots web groups - please copy ) > > How many of you know about these BHC or what it is all about? > > Seems we here in Canada , are recognizing this group & that group & > apologizing & paying some for their fates, & their mistreatments, > but WHO even knows about BHC? > > DO YOU? Perhaps GOOGLE can enlighten you, even SHOCK you............their > descendants want them to have some recognition & I think they well deserve > it! > > We need to be a VOICE for them! SPEAK! > > Ruth Enns > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ayr List Members The stories of British Home Children is well known of here in Canada. There has been much written on the subject and feelings and emotions on the situation as it was is varied. Like George, I have a family member connection who was among the group who was brought here to Canada and if my memory is correct was taken into the Bernardo Home Children Society. The best site that I have been able to find of late with a good deal of information on the subject. Best regards for a great week ahead, Linda Nordby http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/search.jsp?N=37868+4293015122&Ns=p_title_sort&Nso=0 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 5, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Dominique <dique@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > -------- Original Message ---------- > From: Dominique <domnjim@xtra.co.nz> > To: lanark@rootsweb.com, ruth.enns@shaw.ca, AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Date: 05 November 2017 at 16:45 > Subject: Re: [AYR] BRITISH HOME CHILDREN > > See Margaret Humphreys' book Empty Cradles and the film Oranges and Sunshine for the story of the appalling maltreatment these children experienced in Australia. > >> On 05 November 2017 at 15:27 ruth.enns@shaw.ca wrote: >> >> >> ( and all other UK & Oz roots web groups - please copy ) >> >> How many of you know about these BHC or what it is all about? >> >> Seems we here in Canada , are recognizing this group & that group & >> apologizing & paying some for their fates, & their mistreatments, >> but WHO even knows about BHC? >> >> DO YOU? Perhaps GOOGLE can enlighten you, even SHOCK you............their >> descendants want them to have some recognition & I think they well deserve >> it! >> >> We need to be a VOICE for them! SPEAK! >> >> Ruth Enns >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A lot of the children were also sent to Australia.  I spent some time researching for a family who were split up with the sons being sent while the daughters were kept in the UK.  The societies thought they were acting in the best interests of the children but there were many tragic stories. Regards Nuala On 05/11/2017 08:38, Deborah Rea wrote: > If I recall a reporter here in the UK might have unearthed this story or > something similar. I'd have to do some checking. No promises that I'll > come up with anything but am sure I heard about it. > > Regards, > Debbie Rea > > > > On 5 November 2017 at 02:27, <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> ( and all other UK & Oz roots web groups - please copy ) >> >> How many of you know about these BHC or what it is all about? >> >> Seems we here in Canada , are recognizing this group & that group & >> apologizing & paying some for their fates, & their mistreatments, >> but WHO even knows about BHC? >> >> DO YOU? Perhaps GOOGLE can enlighten you, even SHOCK >> you............their descendants want them to have some recognition & I >> think they well deserve it! >> >> We need to be a VOICE for them! SPEAK! >> >> Ruth Enns >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

If I recall a reporter here in the UK might have unearthed this story or something similar. I'd have to do some checking. No promises that I'll come up with anything but am sure I heard about it. Regards, Debbie Rea On 5 November 2017 at 02:27, <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> wrote: > ( and all other UK & Oz roots web groups - please copy ) > > How many of you know about these BHC or what it is all about? > > Seems we here in Canada , are recognizing this group & that group & > apologizing & paying some for their fates, & their mistreatments, > but WHO even knows about BHC? > > DO YOU? Perhaps GOOGLE can enlighten you, even SHOCK > you............their descendants want them to have some recognition & I > think they well deserve it! > > We need to be a VOICE for them! SPEAK! > > Ruth Enns > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Debbie Rea

Hi all, My father-in-law was of this group. The most prominent of the organizations that brought British children, in most cases orphans, was Bernardo Homes. My wife’s father told us the name of the boat he came on in 1923, so I wrote to Bernardo’s to see what info I could get. They will only give info to a direct descendant. The request for info had to come from my wife, not me. They advised me that he had come to Canada under the auspices of Annie McPherson Homes, whose records were taken over by Bernardo. They were able to send me photos of he, and his brother, who came at the same time, and copies of the reports of their annual visit to the children’s placement, where they insured they were properly treated, clothed, paid, and attended school. His first placement was very unsatisfactory as they treated him as cheap labour and not much better than an animal. He was moved to another farm where he was treated so well he remained friends with the owner and his family all their lives. >From what I read in their reports, and stories told my my wife’s Dad, they tried very hard to keep track of the children, and their treatment. Unfortunately, not all stories had such satisfactory conclusions. He and his brother were able to save enough money to bring a sister to Canada. He had been orphaned in London and brought to Canada at age 12. These organizations tried to bring these children out of abject poverty and give them a chance in life, one they would not have had if left in the orphanages in Britain. George M. McCaig, Burlington, Ontario, Canada. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 4, 2017, at 10:27 PM, ruth.enns@shaw.ca wrote: > > ( and all other UK & Oz roots web groups - please copy ) > > How many of you know about these BHC or what it is all about? > > Seems we here in Canada , are recognizing this group & that group & apologizing & paying some for their fates, & their mistreatments, > but WHO even knows about BHC? > > DO YOU? Perhaps GOOGLE can enlighten you, even SHOCK you............their descendants want them to have some recognition & I think they well deserve it! > > We need to be a VOICE for them! SPEAK! > > Ruth Enns > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

( and all other UK & Oz roots web groups - please copy ) How many of you know about these BHC or what it is all about? Seems we here in Canada , are recognizing this group & that group & apologizing & paying some for their fates, & their mistreatments, but WHO even knows about BHC? DO YOU? Perhaps GOOGLE can enlighten you, even SHOCK you............their descendants want them to have some recognition & I think they well deserve it! We need to be a VOICE for them! SPEAK! Ruth Enns

Hi Linda, Sometimes it's good to save old emails as I just found this one from you back in 2013! I have been working on the Frews for quite some time and am experiencing a couple of brick walls because of a couple of anomalies in this line. Some folk had children out of wedlock or not married at all but had children. As a result, I have my Scottish cousin as my 5th cousin, her father being my 7th cousin (John Robertson Richmond Frew and her mother being my 4th cousin 1x rem!). Can you please direct me to the database on Ayrshire Rootsweb? Regards, Debbie Rea On 29 August 2013 at 22:32, Linda Nordby <searchinguk@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hello Lorraine, > I am running a Frew of Ayrshire data base and maybe able to help you if you > are able to give some additional information. > > 1/ Where does the source of the information provided that Helen was born in > Irvine abt 1785? > > 2/ Can you also give me the full names of the other children born to James > Craig and Helen Frew following their arrival in Canada? > > 3/ Is there a family name used as a Christian or middle name through the > descending generations? > > There is Helen Frew born in Kilwinning to John Frew and Janet Galt, same > time period. They also had children born in Dreghorn and Irvine between the > dates of 1773-1786. > > 21 Oct > 1786 > FREW HELEN JAMES FREW/JANET > GALT FR552 F KILWINNING > 599/00 > 0002 > > All the best from > Linda > A proud Frew descendant > > -----Original Message----- > From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Lorraine Satchell > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:21 AM > To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AYR] CRAIG James (1789 - 1858) & FREW Helen (1785 - 1860) > > Hello > > I am not new to Rootsweb Lists but just new today on Ayrshire List. > Going through the List Archives there may be others looking for this > family also. > > James CRAIG was born in Scotland, I am told March 6, 1789 > Sometime about 1810, in Kilbirnie, Ayrshire he married Helen FREW > and she was born about 1785 in Irvine, Ayrshire. > Their first 2 children were born in Kilbirnie and they were > John Craig - b. September 28, 1811 > He was christened in Irvine on October 7, 1811 > Robert Craig - b. November 22, 1813 > > James, Helen, John and Robert Craig came to Ontario, Canada in > either 1814 - 1815 as their next child was born here in 1816. > We seem to be able to follow this family fairly well after arriving in > Ontario, Canada. > I am mainly interested in locating their marriage, parents names, > and places of birth or any leads at all in Scotland. > > Oh Yes, some people have Helen's maiden name as FRUE but I > prefer to use FREW as that is how it was on the Family Search > births and baptism. > > Thank You Lorraine (Ottawa, Ontario) > > P.S. Thank You Alex for my incorrect email address blunder. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Debbie Rea

Hi Murray, You can see the connection in the Wiki article on Clan KENNEDY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Kennedy And also here: https://www.scotweb.co.uk/info/kennedy/ Here is some of the family tree for Thomas Francis Kennedy MP, born 1788: http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I32955&tree=CC There are more relevant websites form a Google search, but these are a good start. Regards, Bruce On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Murray Reid <mhhr@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > Thomas Francis Kennedy MP, born 1788 had a financial relationship with my > ancestors Hugh & Elizabeth (Boyd) Reid of Maybole. > > Thomas owned Dalquharran Castle and the ruined castle at Dunure. > > His parents were Thomas & Jean (Adam) > > I would appreciate contact with anyone researching this family. > > I am curious as to the relationship of this family with the family of the > Marquis of Ailsa. > > Murray Reid > > NZ > >

Murray It would appear that the Boyds and Kennedy's have had some relationship since the first Lord Boyd in the mid 1400's. It might have even gone on before then, but I have yet to find any evidence. Remember Adam Boyd of Penkill Castle married Lord Kennedy's youngest daughter in 1532. And not only in Ayrshire but County Down and Antrim as well. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Murray Reid Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 3:44 PM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] FW: Kennedy Family of Dunure & Dalquharran Thomas Francis Kennedy MP, born 1788 had a financial relationship with my ancestors Hugh & Elizabeth (Boyd) Reid of Maybole. Thomas owned Dalquharran Castle and the ruined castle at Dunure. His parents were Thomas & Jean (Adam) I would appreciate contact with anyone researching this family. I am curious as to the relationship of this family with the family of the Marquis of Ailsa. Murray Reid NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thomas Francis Kennedy MP, born 1788 had a financial relationship with my ancestors Hugh & Elizabeth (Boyd) Reid of Maybole. Thomas owned Dalquharran Castle and the ruined castle at Dunure. His parents were Thomas & Jean (Adam) I would appreciate contact with anyone researching this family. I am curious as to the relationship of this family with the family of the Marquis of Ailsa. Murray Reid NZ

Hello, I am trying to change my email address to ipolknz@gmail.com. From polk@ihug.co.nz. Which is no longer functioning. Irene Polkinghorne New Zealand. Thanks. > > ****************************************

The eldest daughter of Lord James Boyd and Catherine Creyke, Margaret Boyd – did she marry Robert Beverly of Jamestown, Middlesex County, Virginia? In The Scots Peerage, Volume 5, p 173 it lists the children of Lord James Boyd and Catherine Creyke as:- 1. WILLIAM, Master of Boyd, afterwards first Earl of Kilmarnock, his successor. 2. Margaret. 3. Eva, both styled daughters lawful to the deceased James, Lord Boyd, 24 March 1659. 4. Jean, married to Sir David Cunningham of Robertland, Baronet. Dame Jean Boyd, Lady Robertland, died 8th May 1665. The format of this would imply that both Margaret and Eva Boyd did not marry and were still alive in 1659 and they had no further details after that. In the website - James Boyd, 9 L Boyd - Catherine CReYKE | FamilyCentral www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=6152:21470&ref2=6152:15349 It has that:- “Margaret BOYD Birth: 1 Mar 1637, of Hull, Yorkshire, England Death: 28 Jun 1678, Blandfield, Middlesex, Virginia Robert BEVERLY Marr: Apr 1666, Jamestown, Middlesex, Virginia” And then when you dig into this tree it tells you that they had this family:- “Robert Beverly - Margaret Boyd Robert Beverly was born at Beverley, Yorkshire, England 1641. His parents were Peter Beverly and Susannah Hollis. He married Margaret Boyd Apr 1666 at Jamestown, Middlesex, Virginia. Margaret Boyd was born at of Hull, Yorkshire, England 1 Mar 1637 daughter of James Boyd, 9 L Boyd and Catherine CReYKE . They were the parents of 10 children: Peter Beverly, Col born 1667/68. Abigail Beverly born Abt 1667. Harry Beverly born 1669. Robert beverly, Jr. born 1673. Mary BEVERLy born Abt 1674. William Beverly born 4 Jan 1680. John BEVERLy born 4 Jan 1680. Thomas Beverly born Abt 1682. Catherine Beverly born Abt 1684. Christopher BEVERLy born 19 Feb 1686. Robert Beverly died 15 Mar 1687 at Jamestown, Middlesex, Virginia. Margaret Boyd died 28 Jun 1678 at Blandfield, Middlesex, Virginia.” (This is written as it has been copied from the website.) While I could find Middlesex County, Virginia, I could not find either Jamestown or Blandfield on my map – so I assume that these towns are not longer a town or their names have been changed. So why would an possible “heiress” of a large Scottish Estates have gone to Virginia by herself pre 1666? I think that there are two possible explanations? a) She (Margaret Boyd) is from a separate Boyd family from Kingston-upon-Hull, Yorkshire and not from Lord James Boyd’s family. Whose father might even have been “a James Boyd” (the second most common male Boyd name). By the 1600’s there were a number of Boyd families living in various Counties within England, but their origins are not known to me at this time. b) That she is from a Virginian Boyd family that came pre 1666. It is known that several Boyd families were living in Virginia by 1666, but not where? While it is known that the first Boyd to the USA was a James Boyd who arrived in 1641. It is not known where he settled or where he came from. 1641 is the year of the Irish Uprising and it is also about the time that the English Parliament under Cromwell was trying to take power away from the King. So this migration could have come from either Country. Nor could you rule out Scotland, as his place of origin either. This family of Margaret Boyd – parents unknown – and Robert Beverly is new to me and in my view not connected to Lord James Boyd and Catherine Creyke and their daughter Margaret Boyd. So COULD THIS MARGARET BOYD BE A DAUGHTER OF THE JAMES BOYD WHO CAME IN 1641? Or could she be a daughter of one of the other early Boyd families in Virginia and these researchers have confused her parents? It always pays to look at the information provided. While this IT tree gave 10 children born to Margaret Boyd and Robert Beverly, it also said that Margaret Boyd died 28 June 1678 at Blandfield, Middlesex County, Virginia. But as you can see above, this means that five of the ten children listed were born after she died, bring this tree, or part of it, into question. While the IT tree does not mention it, I would assume that Robert Beverly has had another wife – name unknown. It would appear from the Net that even the Beverly researchers are not sure of the name of this Robert Beverly’s wife and wives. And it might also mean that this Robert Beverly’s, was Margaret Boyd’s second husband and she had had a family with a first husband. Further research will have to be undertaken to see what additional evidence might be found on this possible Boyd family from the coastal region of Virginia. Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS PS I am posting this to the Ayrshire list to let people know that it is highly likely that this IT researcher “could” have confused the two Margaret Boyd’s. One being the daughter of Lord James Boyd and Catherine Crekye, as outlined in The Scots Peerage, which is sourced form the Lord Lyons records, but I am not sure the source of the second family outlined in this IT tree. My estimation is that there are two separate Margaret Boyd’s Mike

From: Mike Boyd Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:32 AM To: boyd@rootsweb.com Subject: Anyone reseaching Boyd families in Middlesex County, Virginia? Is there anyone on this list researching Boyd families in Middlesex County Virginia? I have just come across a Margaret Boyd who in April 1666 at Jamestown, Middlesex County, Virginia married a Robert Beverly. He was born at Beverly, Yorkshire in 1641 the son of Peter Beverly and Susannah Hollis. He is given as having died on 15 March 1687 at Jamestown. He and Margaret are listed as having 10 children including a Colonel Peter Beverly. The website that provided this information says that this Margaret Boyd was the eldest daughter of Lord James Boyd and Catherine Creyke. I am not so sure. Being the eldest daughter of Lord James, and with only one brother, William Boyd, who became the first Earl of Kilmarnock. If he had died before he married and had children, this Margaret would have inherited a very large estate in Scotland. So why would a possible heiress go to Virginia by herself pre 1666? It is known that the first Boyd to the USA and Virginia was a James Boyd (and I have seen records of other Boyd following this migration in the decades after that). So could this Margaret Boyd who in 1666 married Robert Beverly have come from a Virginian Boyd family? And did this IT researcher confuse this James Boyd of the 1641 migration with Lord James Boyd of Scotland? Thank you Mike Boyd

The children of Lord James Boyd and Catherine Creyke of Kilmarnock, Scotland. In The Scots Peerage, Volume V, p 173, it lists the children of Lord James Boyd and Catherine Creyke as:- 1. WILLIAM, Master of Boyd, afterwards first Earl of Kilmarnock, his successor. 2. Margaret. 3. Eva, both styled daughters lawful to the deceased James, Lord Boyd, 24 March 1659. *6 4. Jean, married *7 to Sir David Cunningham of Robertland, Baronet. Dame Jean Boyd, Lady Robertland, died 8th May 1665. *8 Where footnotes cited are 6. Glas. Com. Decreets. 7. Complete Baronetage, ii. 384, where she is called Eva. 8. Funeral entry in Lyon office. These records come from the Lord Lyons Office, and one would hope that they are correct. However in the 1994 International Genealogical Index for the UK there was an entry for a fifth child, born to these parents on 24 September 1644 at Kilmarnock called Catherine Boyd. I am not sure why the Lord Lyon’s Office has missed her, as her parents are clearly state in this entry, so this Catherine could not belong to any other Boyd family. I then thought it best to google to see what other information I go find on the family of Lord James Boyd and Catherine Creyke and found two websites. The first - “James Boyd, 9 L Boyd - Catherine CReYKE | FamilyCentral www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=6152:21470&ref2=6152:15349 This provided this outline of their family:- James Boyd, 9 L Boyd was born at of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland Abt 1600. (1) His parents were Robert Boyd, Master of Boyd and Jean Kerr. He married Catherine CReYKE at of York, Yorkshire, England . Catherine CReYKE was born at Cottingham, York, England 3 Jan 1618 (3) daughter of Robert Creyke and Margaret THORNBurg . They were the parents of 5 children: William Boyd, 1 e kILMARNOCK born Abt 1638. Margaret Boyd born 1 Mar 1637. Eva Boyd born Abt 1642. Katherine born Abt 1644. Jean Boyd born Abt 1644. James Boyd, died Mar 1654 .” Mike Boyd’s footnotes:- (1) Lord James Boyd father, Robert Boyd, Master of Boyd, son of the 6th Lord Boyd, died in May 1597, so this James Boyd could have been born no later than nine months after this date and not in about 1600. Perhaps late 1597? (2) While The Scots Peerage, says that James and Catherine were “married, before 1640”. From the above website, this marriage looks like it took place in 1636, with Margaret Boyd being born on 1 March 1637. This would have made Catherine about 18 years old when she married and James about 39 years old. (3) The Scots Peerage, has Catherine Creyke – “She was baptised at Bridlington 3 January 1618-19.” This date would now be written as 3 January 1619, as the year then ended in March not December. So it would appear that the author has confused her baptism date with her birth date. Cottingham is about 10 kms north of Kingston-Upon-Hull, England, but I am not sure where Bridlington is situated in comparison to Cottingham. So this given date of birth does not look right and her birth date remains unknown. Most likely a month or two before this date in late 1618! This site does not list any place of marriage. But the question needs to be asked as to why this James Boyd, before he became Lord Boyd, was marrying a lady from Yorkshire? Was he down there visiting distant cousins whose ancestors had fled Scotland in 1469 with the first Lord Robert Boyd and gone to Alnwick, England? (It is thought that some of the Lord’s children also fled with him but their names are not known for certain or how many fled with him.) So if they married in 1636, this would make James about 39 years old and Catherine about 18 years old. So would her father have had to give his approval for this marriage and are there any legal papers now available on that issue? The second website - James Boyd (1597-1654) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Boyd-2059 This site tells us that Lord James Boyd and Catherine Crayke have this family - “Sir [1] James "9th Lord of Kilmarnock" Boyd Born 1597 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland Son of Robert Martin [2] Boyd and Jean (Kerr) [3] Lindsay Brother of Robert Martin Boyd [4] and James Boyd Husband of Catherine (Creyke) Boyd — married 1640 in York, Yorkshire, England [5] Father of John Boyd, [6], Andrew Boyd, [7], Margaret Mary Boyd, [8], Eva Boyd, Catherine Boyd and William (Boyd) Boyd Earl of Kilmarnock 1st Died Mar 1654 in York, Yorkshire, England” [9] Mike Boyd’s footnotes:- [1] I am not sure where the “Sir” came into his name. He succeeded his nephew 17 November 1640. So after that date he was Lord James Boyd and before that had, he would have just been Mr James Boyd, as his father never became a Lord and died before his own father. [2] In recent years I have seen him called “Robert Martin Boyd”, especially on IT family trees, but neither Burke’s Peerage nor, The Scots Peerage, Vol. V., called him that. He is just called Robert Boyd. While none of the Heads of the Clan until the 4th Earl of Kilmarnock are cited as having a second name. It will be interesting to find where this name came form and who used it first. [3] Jean married Robert Boyd, as Jean Kerr. After his death she re-married to a Mr Lindsay, Earl of ????. [4] Robert Boyd and Jean Kerr’s eldest son was Robert Boyd, who succeeded his grandfather as seventh Lord Boyd, b November 1595, d 28/8/1628. As this information comes from the Lord Lyons Office, if they got his name wrong – it should be Robert Martin Boyd and not just “Robert Boyd” as they have recorded him as. So I would again question if the son was also called “Robert Martin Boyd”? [5] The Scots Peerage, Vol V., p 173, says “He married, before 1640, (from Ex inform. The Hon. Vicary Gibbs), but not where they were married. So the place could be Yorkshire rather than Ayrshire? [6] When I looked at the details given for this John Boyd, it said that he was born in 1618. This is 21 years after his father Robert Boyd was born, so that looks OK, but it is the same year as his mother is born in 1618. So this is not possible for a girl less than one year old to be having a child. If this John Boyd is James Boyd son, he would have to be a natural son, but there is no evidence to that effect. So does this SUGGEST that this John Boyd is from an unknown Boyd family? This website says that this John Boyd married on 16 Aug 1642 to Marion Stone, but shows their first children being born 1655, some 13 years later. This would suggest that other children were born to them but does not tell whom or when? [7] This Andrew Boyd is not listed in The Scots Peerage, in 1907. Then looking at the details that this website has for him, he is born in 1623 in Ayrshire, with his mother being about 5 years old. So Catherine can’t be his mother. So again, could he the natural son of James Boyd? This is possible! But it is more likely that he come from an unknown Boyd family? In the 1994 International Genealogical Index for the UK there is no Andrew Boyd listed for Ayrshire, so that does not help to identify this Andrew Boyd. [8] While in The Scots Peerage, it just calls her “Margaret Boyd” and not “Margaret Mary Boyd”. [9] This site says that he died in York, Yorkshire, England. This seems strange when he was in conflict with Cromwell Government in England and was fined for supporting the King and he had duties in Scotland to raise money for the King. (I do not know enough Scottish history to know if Scottish Forces came to Yorkshire in this period or he may have come to see Catherine’s family for some reason, which we are yet to find out about.) This is the first source that I have seen in some 35 years of researching the Boyd family that places his death at York, England, so this location will need to be questioned at this time. At this time and with the data provided, this family or children need to be questioned - certainly if John Boyd and Andrew Boyd are children to this family of James and Catherine? Or if they are the natural children of only James Boyd? Or from an entirely separate Boyd family? While it is very unlikely “Margaret Mary Boyd” was called this but should be just “Margaret Boyd”. As the eldest daughter, and if her brother William Boyd, died before he had married and had children, she would have become the heiress of her father, so you would expect the Lord Lyons Office to have the right name for her. Another reason to question if John and Andrew Boyd are actually part of this family is that they were older than William Boyd and, if part of this family, John Boyd, would have become Lord Boyd, as he did not die until 1708 according this website. That is the strongest suggestion that he and Andrew are not part of this family. Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS

As this Boyd family is claimed to be connected to the Boyds of Kilmarnock - but does not show how they are connected to Lord Boyd - I will also post this information to this net list as well in case people are tracing this family from the Ayrshire end. This is the THIRD BOYD FAMILY OF BALLYCASTLE, but I do not know if they are linked or are separate Boyd families - Robert Boyd 1724 Burgess of Glasgow - Adam Boyd 1710 Will of Ballyluige (most likely now Ballylig) Ramoan Parish Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:40 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Who is the father of Rev William Boyd, who died 1701, of Ballycastle, County Antrim and his ancestors? Who is the father of Rev William Boyd, who died 1701, of Ballycastle, County Antrim and his ancestors? Of the Boyds of Ballycastle, County Antrim, it origins are cast in a little mystery. This family is outlined by Burke's The Landed Gentry of Ireland, 4th ed., p 105, and it “claims” descent from the Boyd of Kilmarnock, but does not show how that link might occur or which of the Lord Boyd’s it might connect to. While Amy Young in 1924, also cites Burke’s but does not provide the publication or edition of Burke’s that she is referring to. So let us start with what is known with Rev William Boyd of Ramoan Parish, Ballycastle, County Antrim. Q1? William Boyd, b / /164x ( ), d / /1701? ( , Ballycastle), bu , mc / /1690 (church, town, country), Rose McNeil, dau of and (nee ) McNeil, b / /16xx ( ), d / /17xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: , Ireland? ] - He was Rector of Ramoan Parish 1679 and 1681 (from note in visitors Book at Church of Ireland Church, town square, Ballycastle). The Parish of Ramoan takes in present day Ballycastle and runs in a westly direction towards Bushmills. A History of the Church of Ireland in Ramoan Parish, Hugh Alexander Boyd, B. A., 1930, p 16, says "He was instituted as Vicar of Ramoan on the 18th October 1679, and again instituted as Vicar of Ramoan and Culfeightrin on the 28th March 1682." While on page 18, it does not say when he resigned but does give that "the Rev Edward Matthews, M. A., Vicar of Ramoan, 1717-1719" and went onto say "The Reverend William Boyd who was Vicar in 1679 died in 1727*, and was buried in the churchyard of St Ereclacius or within the building itself." [Mike Boyd, ASSUMES that St Ereclacius is the name of the Old Ramoan Church.] On the same page it states - "The Rev. W Boyd had other sons in addition to Colonel Hugh, mentioned above. One was Alexander Boyd , of Clare, ie Clare Park, Ballycastle, and another the Rev. Charles Boyd Rector of Rathlin, 1747-1766. A fourth son, William (born 1696 or 1697) became Vicar of Ramoan on 20th July 1719." This source does not say when William's wife Rose McNeil died or when they were married. This marriage could have been around the time of his appointment as Vicar to Ramoan in 1679 or in the early 1680's. From the dates that Charles Boyd was Rector of Rathlin would suggest he as born in 1710's or 1720's, a period when Rose may have been to old to have children. * This date is incorrect, it should be 1701 and not 1727. Unfortunately, these sources, do not tell us if Ramoan parish was his first and last Parish. This them makes it a little difficult in trying to estimate if had been Minister in another Parish previously or if and when he might have gone to University to become a Minister. If in 1679, he first became a Minister, it may mean that he was born about 20 or 25 years previously – such as 1659 or 1654. Said by Amy Young (?), married in May 1690!! Strange married so late! The Rev William Boyd and family were Church of Ireland and not the normal Presbyterian, as one would expect for a Boyd family in Ireland. It is not known if he converted to the Church of Ireland or if his family were part of that Church for some generations in Ireland. Traditionally the Rev William Boyd ancestors are given as:- Father P4? Hugh Boyd, b / /1612 ( , Scot/Ire?), d after / /1668 ( ), bu , m / /163x (church, town, country), wife not given, dau of and (nee ) ?????, and had issue:- [Lived: ] From Three Hundred years in Innishowen, Amy Isabell Young, 1924, McCaw, Stevenson & Orr Ltd, Belfast, pp 292-293:- "Hugh Boyd, the eldest son of Thomas of Carncognie*, is said by Burke to have been the father of the Rev. William Boyd, of Drumawillian, who was Vicar of Ramoan, and d 1727 or 1737. +" * Is this Thomas of Carnognie - O1? above or his son P5? below. Both of whom would have been called "Thomas of Carncognie." So it raised the QUESTION - is Hugh Boyd [P4?] the son of [O1?] or [P5?]. William Boyd actually died in 1701. + These dates are wrong, as Danny Mcgill said he died in 1701. Grandfather O1? Thomas Boyd, b / /1581 ( , Scot?), d 15/8/1634 ( ), bu , m / /160x (church, town, country), Elizabeth Smeaton, dau of and (nee ) Smeaton, b / /158x ( ), d / /16xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] - With Hugh's birth given as 1612, this would suggest to Mike Boyd, April 2004, that he could be the 4th or 5th child of this marriage. From Three Hundred years in Innishowen, Amy Isabell Young, 1924, McCaw, Stevenson & Orr Ltd, Belfast, p 292:- "John Boyd, mentioned above, held lands called Carncogie, near Dervock, at this time, and is placed by Burke as the father of Thomas Boyd of Carncogie, who held the same lands from the Earl of Antrim in 1614. Thomas Boyd was a Scotsman, and was made a denizen of Ireland, 29th Jan. 1611*. He also held the lands of 'Ballyhibistock' in 1631, and bought 'Lisconane' in 1620. He died 15th Aug. 1634, having married circa 1611, Elizabeth Seton or Smeaton. Thomas Boyd of Carncogie was executor to the will of William Boyd of Dunluce, dated 1624, who may possibly have been his brother or cousin. Besides Hugh, Thomas had a younger son Thomas, who got Lisconane from his father, and was alive on the 10th Aug., 1661 (Decrees of Innocent XI., 14). It appears probable that there was another son, William, of Clontifinan, who was father of Capt. Hugh Boyd, of Mount Edwards, Cushendell (b 1685/6, and d. March 30 1731), who married Margaret Rowan (who was b. 1687 and d 1747), both of whom are buried in the chancel of the church at Clough, Co. Antrim. A portrait of this Capt. Hugh Boyd, similarly inscribed, stating that he was the eldest son of William Boyd, of Clontifenan Ballycastle, was in the possession of a family named Boyd, residing at 9 Victoria St., Dublin. The portrait was of a gentlemen in a wig and armour. The inscription in Clough Church gives several sons and daus., the name Hugh occurring more than once, so that it is very probable that this family were closely related to the Ballycastle branch, though the exact connection is not known." However, in the website www.billmacafee.com/17centurydatabases.htm under the heading of Hearth Money Rolls (1669) for the Baronies of Cary, Dunluce, Klilconway, Troome, Antrim and Glenarm in Co., Antrim [Sorted by Surname, Barony, Parish and Townland] It has John Boyd, Drumawillan, Ramoan Parish and a second John Boyd listed at Moyarget Upper, also in Ramoan Parish. At this time I am not sure if there are two John Boyds or a single person who owned or leased two townlands. So this data would suggest that as “a John Boyd” was living or head of the family at Drumawillan that he is the father of Rev William Boyd and not Hugh Boyd as traditional been given. How can this thought or theory now be proved? Or do we say we are 80 or 90 percent certain that because the John Boyd of 1669 living at Drumawillan is the father of Rev William Boyd who is listed as also living at Drumawillan? Hopefully this will lead to discussion and hopefully further proof found. I will now have to look to see whom John Boyd of Drumawillan might be the son of. One possibility is that he is the son of William Boyd of Dunluce who is mentioned in the 1624 Will. But as there is a John Boyd listed for Dunluce Parish this connection is unlikely. And we also have to remember that as John Boyd is the most popular male Boyd name, you could expect in this period nearly every Boyd family to had a son named John Boyd. Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert Boyd of Ballycastle a Burgess of Glasgow, Scotland, 1724. In the book The Burgesses & Guild Brethren of Glasgow, 1573-1750, James R. Anderson, 1925, Scottish Record Society, it has this entry:- No. Surname Christian Details Type Date Links 20 Robert of Ballycastle B&GB grantis 3 Jun 1724 The first problem is where is this Ballycastle located? I know of no place in Scotland of that name, but I am aware of two locations in Ireland. The first is the town of Ballycastle, County Antrim in the north of this County that in 1724 was a port and was then being developed into a industrial town with its coal exports. The second place of that name is the Ballycastle townland across the road from Mount Stewart in County Down. This was land that was given to Colonel David Boyd in 1606 when he came with Sir Hugh Montgomery to County Down. While it is known that Colonel Boyd had a son Robert Boyd, it is not known for how long after 1623 that this family held these lands in County Down. So from this limited information, it is more likely that this Ballycastle refers to the one in County Antrim. The next problem is that this Robert Boyd does not fit into what is currently known of the Boyds of Ballycastle, County Antrim. Of the listed children for the Rev William Boyd, who died in 1701, Minister of Ramoan Parish (which includes Ballycastle), there is no son Robert Boyd. Nor does this entry provide any information about what occupation he might have been. Normally the term “of Ballycastle” means that you are a landowner, but from what I know of Ballycastle history, this does not seem to be the case hear! Or, could this Robert Boyd be from a second Boyd family of Ballycastle that we currently know nothing about? So could he come from one of the Boyd Cadet Branches in Ayrshire – such as Pitcon, Lynn or from one of the Boyd merchants in Kilmarnock? There is a third clue in that he was made “Burgesses & Guild Brethren” - “grantis”. Which I would understand that someone has nominated him and recommended that he be accepted without any fee. So in the Guild records in Glasgow, might there be further details of this “Robert Boyd of Ballycastle” location and who nominated him to the Guild? Do any members have any further information on this Robert Boyd of Ballycastle – thought to be of County Antrim? Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS

Thank you Bruce and all. I found it but on my Ordnance map it is down a Hollerhill and not as Hullerhill. No wonder that I could not find it. Strange this is in the middle of Montgomery Lands, but by 1571, the Boyds had finished their feud with hte Montgomeries – so this James Boyd who married Margaret Maxwell must have leased this farm from the Earl. Mike Boyd From: Bruce McDowall Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:04 PM To: Mike Boyd Subject: Re: [AYR] Hullerhill or Hullirhill, Scotland Hi Mike, There's a Hullerhill sand quarry 3km NE of the centre of the town of Kilwinning. It seems to have taken its name from the farm which shows up on the 6in OS map from the 1850s. http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.6687&lon=-4.6662&layers=5&b=1 Regards, Bruce On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: In a 1571 document there is reference to a James Boyd of Hullirhill. While in 1584 fort the Burgesses & Guild Brethren of Glasgow, 1573 – 1750, it called this location Hullerhill. So is anyone on this list familiar where this location might be in Ayrshire or Scotland? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a 1571 document there is reference to a James Boyd of Hullirhill. While in 1584 fort the Burgesses & Guild Brethren of Glasgow, 1573 – 1750, it called this location Hullerhill. So is anyone on this list familiar where this location might be in Ayrshire or Scotland? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.