Hi Mike and others, The same applies here in Canada. These are days marked on the calendar but not an official basis as Barbara says. Certainly St. Patrick’s Day celebrated and well known but not officially. Linda Sent from my iPad > On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:09 AM, <bawilson@westnet.com.au> <bawilson@westnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > St Andrew's Day is not celebrated in Australia. It is shown on > our calendars just as St Andrews Day (SCT) ie celebrated in > Scotland. Same as St Georges, St Davids, St Patricks Days - may be > celebrated in local communities ie the Irish but not on any official > basis. > > Barbara Wilson > > Melbourne, Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ayrshire@rootsweb.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:00:07 -0700 > Subject:AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 12, Issue 106 > > Send AYRSHIRE mailing list submissions to > ayrshire@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/ayrshire > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ayrshire-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AYRSHIRE digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. St Andrew's Day, sydney australia (Mike Boyd) > 2. Fw: St Andrew's Day, sydney australia (ruth.enns@shaw.ca) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:14:05 +1000 > From: Mike Boyd > To: > Subject: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Do any members of this list know when St Andrew?s day is held in > Sydney Australia please? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:00:57 -0800 > From: > To: > Subject: [AYR] Fw: St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=response > > To: ruth.enns@shaw.ca > Subject: Re: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > > well I thought that St Andrews Day was the 30th November. > In NZ it was... > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: ruth.enns@shaw.ca > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 12:17 PM > > Subject: Fw: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Boyd > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:14 PM > To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > > Do any members of this list know when St Andrew?s day is held in > Sydney > Australia please? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > AYRSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------ > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 12, Issue 106 > ***************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do any members of this list know when St Andrew’s day is held in Sydney Australia please? Thank you Mike Boyd

Sun November 26 St Andrews Day - Kirkin' o' the Tartan services in Canberra and Sydney - All welcome *Kirkin' o' the Tartan (Canberra, Sydney & Toukley NSW)*: * 9:30am - St Andrew's Presbyterian Church, State Circle, Forrest, ACT * 9:30am - St David's Presbyterian Church, Victoria Ave, Toukley * 10:00am - St Stephen's Uniting Church, Macquarie St, Sydney. Clan Banner bearers, please arrive in time to marshal. Contact: Susan Cooke, info {at} scottishaustralianheritagecouncil.com.au www.scottishaustralianheritagecouncil.com.au On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:00 AM, <ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Send AYRSHIRE mailing list submissions to > ayrshire@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/ayrshire > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ayrshire-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AYRSHIRE digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. St Andrew's Day, sydney australia (Mike Boyd) > 2. Fw: St Andrew's Day, sydney australia (ruth.enns@shaw.ca) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:14:05 +1000 > From: Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> > To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > Message-ID: <E75FC87849EE40779BF58C0E97B6FF26@MichaelPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Do any members of this list know when St Andrew?s day is held in Sydney > Australia please? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:00:57 -0800 > From: <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> > To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [AYR] Fw: St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > Message-ID: <DCCD8FFFFF914158A549A4F4AFC4A829@RuthPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=response > > > > > To: ruth.enns@shaw.ca > Subject: Re: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > > well I thought that St Andrews Day was the 30th November. > In NZ it was... > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: ruth.enns@shaw.ca > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 12:17 PM > > Subject: Fw: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Boyd > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:14 PM > To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > > Do any members of this list know when St Andrew?s day is held in Sydney > Australia please? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > AYRSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 12, Issue 106 > ***************************************** >

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/12/01/4139511.htm Sent from my iPhone Have a Blessed day! > On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:09 AM, <bawilson@westnet.com.au> <bawilson@westnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > St Andrew's Day is not celebrated in Australia. It is shown on > our calendars just as St Andrews Day (SCT) ie celebrated in > Scotland. Same as St Georges, St Davids, St Patricks Days - may be > celebrated in local communities ie the Irish but not on any official > basis. > > Barbara Wilson > > Melbourne, Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ayrshire@rootsweb.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:00:07 -0700 > Subject:AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 12, Issue 106 > > Send AYRSHIRE mailing list submissions to > ayrshire@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/ayrshire > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ayrshire-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AYRSHIRE digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. St Andrew's Day, sydney australia (Mike Boyd) > 2. Fw: St Andrew's Day, sydney australia (ruth.enns@shaw.ca) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:14:05 +1000 > From: Mike Boyd > To: > Subject: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Do any members of this list know when St Andrew?s day is held in > Sydney Australia please? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:00:57 -0800 > From: > To: > Subject: [AYR] Fw: St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=response > > To: ruth.enns@shaw.ca > Subject: Re: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > > well I thought that St Andrews Day was the 30th November. > In NZ it was... > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: ruth.enns@shaw.ca > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 12:17 PM > > Subject: Fw: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Boyd > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:14 PM > To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia > > Do any members of this list know when St Andrew?s day is held in > Sydney > Australia please? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > AYRSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------ > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 12, Issue 106 > ***************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To: ruth.enns@shaw.ca Subject: Re: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia well I thought that St Andrews Day was the 30th November. In NZ it was... M -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns@shaw.ca Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 12:17 PM Subject: Fw: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:14 PM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] St Andrew's Day, sydney australia Do any members of this list know when St Andrew’s day is held in Sydney Australia please? Thank you Mike Boyd ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear fellow researchers, Interesting article in yesterday’s Scotsman newspaper about children shipped to Canada. The online version includes a couple of group photos of children sent from Quarriers Homes and features Rachel Angus from Largs and John Vallance of Ayr. “A spokeswoman for Quarriers said that 7394 children migrated from Quarriers to Canada between 1872 and 1939.” Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/the-15-000-scots-children-shipped-to-canada-1-4616584 The article is based on information provided by Lori Oschefski of the British Home Children Advocacy & Research Association (BHCARA). http://www.britishhomechildren.com/ “From 1869 through to 1939 over 100,000 children were emigrated from Britain to Canada to be used as indentured farm workers and domestics. Believed by Canadians to be orphans, only two percent truly were. These children were sent to Canada by over 50 organizations...” http://www.britishhomechildren.com/ BHCARA has compiled a registry of over 68,000 names. At the moment only surnames beginning with AA to HARR are searchable online. http://www.britishhomechildrenregistry.com/ Best wishes, Kay Edinburgh

These two pages from M’Kay’s book of 1864, show that 11th child of Robert Boyd, fifth Lord Boyd, that for some reason, have not been recorded in the Scots peerage or in Burke’s Peerage. These references do not say if this Alexander Boyd ever married or had a family, so we do not know if he might also be the ancestor of some of the Boyds of Kilmanrock. Mike Boyd Brisbane, aust From: Mike Boyd Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:15 PM To: boyd@rootsweb.com Subject: Alexander Boyd, in the office of Parish Clerk of Kilmarnock in 1547. Alexander Boyd, in the office of Parish Clerk of Kilmarnock in 1547. According to THE HISTORY OF KILMARNOCK, BY ARCHIBALD M'KAY, 1864 edition, pages 58 & 59 said “The following document, originally writen in Latin, and translated some years ago for one of our local prints, we insert as illustrative of the ecclesiastical privileges enjoyed by the parishioners of Kilmarnock in Popish times: "In the name of God, amen. Be it evidently known to all men by this present public instrument, that in the year of the incarnation of the Lord 1547, on the 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th days of the month of November the sixth of the Indiction, and of the Pontificate of the Most Holy Apostolic Father and our Lord Paul III, by Divine provi- dence Pope, the thirteenth year---In presence of us notaries public and witnesses subscribed, compeared personally the parishioners of the parish Kirk of Kilmarnock to whom the election of the parish priest thereof is known of full right to belong (quibus electio clerici parochialis ejusdem pleno jure dignoscitur pertinere), namely Allan Cunynghame, James Cunynghame, senior, John Kirkland, George Tailzeour---[Here follows the names of the other parishioners, amounting to about three hundred in number (see page five) ---neither actuated by force of fear, fallen into error, or circumvented by guile, but at their own simple, pure, free, and spontaneous good will, from their own certain knowledge gave and preferred, and every one of said parishioners for himself separately and successively gave and conferred, as by the tenor of the present public instrument they give and confer, and every one for himself gives and profers their voices of election, and their votes for the office of Clerk (or Priest) of said parish Kirk of Kilmarnock (now vacant by the death and departure of umquhile Thomas Boyd of Lyne, last Parish Clerk and possessor of the said Kirk), to a worthy and distinguished young man, Alexander Boyd, son of a renowned man, Robert Boyd, master of Boyd, of Kilmarnock, and they elected and nominated as by the tenor of the public instrument, they elect and choose the said Alexander Boyd as a proper person in and to the office of Parish Clerk of Kilmarnock; 1. In 1795, when Miss Scott "came of age", the event was celebrated in the town by a public rejoicing. 59 and they publicly inducted and admitted as by tenor of the present public instrument, they induct and admit the said Alexander, personally present, to the real, actual and corporal possession of the said office of Clerk of Kilmarnock, by delivery to him of the Bell, Cup, and Sprinklers of Holy Water, and the keys of the doors of said Kirk of Kilmarnock, with the accustomed solemnities and cere- monies as use is: on said Alexander, or his doer, procurator, or substitute, undertaking and performing the duties and services belonging to said office during the whole time of his life, with all and sundry its rights, revenues, feus, teinds, endowments and profits whatsoever to be enjoyed, used, and possessed, without any imped- iment, obstacle, or contradiction whatever. Upon all and sundry of which, as in the premises, the said master of Boyd, in the name and on the part of his foresaid son, asked of us notaries public subscribing an instrument, or instruments to be constructed. These things were done within the foresaid parish of Kilmarnock, and parish Kirk thereof, on the days, in the year, month, Indiction, and Pont- ificate, as above, in presence of Robert Boyd, son of Patrick Boyd of Hungryhill; John Boyd of Nairston; James Cunynghame of Clonbeith; James Wyllie; and Robert Colvile; with several other witnesses called and required to the premises. "Subscribed by George Boyd and John Parker, notaries, with the usual docquets." So who is this “Robert Boyd, master of Boyd”? In 1547, the fourth Lord Boyd, (as determined in the Boyds Head of the Clan list) was K1 Robert Boyd, fourth Lord Boyd (title restored in 1536 by King James V), b before 1518,[1] d between 29 July 1557 and 10 May 1558,[2] m before 1518, Lady[3] Helen Somerville, daughter of Sir John Somerville of Cambusnethan,[4] m secondly before December 1542, Elizabeth Napier, widow of Humphrey Colquhoun of Luss and m thirdly before February 1548-49[5] Marion Colquhoun, daughter of Sir John Colquhoun of Luss, She survived him and was married, secondly to Captain Thomas Crawford of Jordanhill. So in 1547, the “master of Boyd” should have been his eldest son L1 Robert Boyd, fifth Lord Boyd, bc 1517, d 3 January 1590,[6], bu in the Low Church of Kilmarnock, m 15xx, (contract dated 1535) his cousin-german, Lady[7] Margaret Colquhoun, daughter and heiress of George Colquhoun, fourth of Glens, and Margaret Boyd, b 15xx, d August 1601, bu Metropolitan Church of Glasgow, and had issue:- Who would not have become Lord Boyd until about 1558. But in The Scots Peerage, Vol V., and in Burke’s Peerage, there is no mention of this Robert Boyd having a son Alexander Boyd. So are those records wrong? Or is he an “unrecorded” natural son of the future Fifth Lord Boyd? That will depend on what in 1547 the term “to a worthy and distinguished young man, Alexander Boyd, son of a renowned man, Robert Boyd, master of Boyd, of Kilmarnock,” meant. I have ASSUMED THAT in 1547 this Alexander Boyd was over 20 years old – making he born in 1527 or earlier. But his father Robert Boyd [L1] is said to have been born in about 1517, meaning that he had a son when he was about 10 years old. That does not fit! So either Alexander Boyd was born after 1527 or Robert Boyd was born earlier than 1517. Then in the 1571 Remission of 31 Boyds and their involvement in the Battle of Langside in 1568, it show:- No. name relationship location comments 1 Robert Lord Boyd L1, 5th Lord (1517-1589) 2 Thomas Master of Boyd son to # 1 M2 3 Robert Boyd son to # 1 of Baddinhaith M3 (Badenhealth, Dunbartonshire) 31 Alexander Boyd servant to our said kinsman Lord Boyd So the fifth Lord Robert Boyd’s two living sons are shown, as his sons, but there is no reference to Alexander Boyd being a son or a natural son in this list of Boyds. This Alexander Boyd of both 1447 and 1571 (if they are the same person), could be the ancestor of a number of Boyd families in Kilmarnock, if he married and had a family. Hopefully now that we know that Lord Robert Boyd, fifth Lord Boyd, has eleven children and not ten as recorded in other outlines for this family, other data might now be found about him and I look forward to any new data that might be found on him. Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1]From notes by Robert H. Boyd, 2221 SE Gowin Dr., Port St Lucie, Florida. USA. 34952. based on History of the Boyd Clan and Related Families by Fredrich T. Boyd PhD 1962 says c 1498. [2]From the chart The Boyd Family 1205-1748 by Dick Institute, Kilmarnock, said died 1557. [3]From notes by Robert H. Boyd, 2221 SE Gowin Dr., Port St Lucie, Florida. USA. 34952. based on History of the Boyd Clan and Related Families by Fredrich T. Boyd PhD 1962. [4]The Pedigree of the Family of Boyd, 1904, p 18 said "of Canmethan". [5]In Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 1970, 105 ed., p 610 said married Robert Master of Boyd. [6]From notes by Robert H. Boyd, 2221 SE Gowin Dr., Port St Lucie, Florida. USA. 34952. based on History of the Boyd Clan and Related Families by Fredrich T. Boyd PhD 1962 says 1589. [7]From notes by Robert H. Boyd, 2221 SE Gowin Dr., Port St Lucie, Florida. USA. 34952. based on History of the Boyd Clan and Related Families by Fredrich T. Boyd PhD 1962.

Mmmmmm........wel my 3x great grandparents were James BROWN and Elizabeth McFARLANE,he quarrier born 1780 according to family tombstone in Stewarton Old Church, she of Riccarton but born in Tiree. married 1800. I can find only 2 possible sets of parents for James , but your Thomas and Katherine interest me as possibilities because the children of James'son John were Mary, THOMAS CATHERINE James Ann Janet John William and an illleg granddaughter Elizabeth b to an eldest son before their marriage to one/both .... Archibald. Mary would have been after her mother, Thomas presumably after his father, and Catherine after his mother. if you think any likely link please contact...best wishes Heather > On 16 November 2017 at 00:32 Mary Paton <em.paton@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Heather, > > None of your Browns were in the Muirkirk area were they - By the mid-1700s? I have ggg-grandmother Anne Brown married James Morrison in 1778 at Asdhawburn, Muirkirk. According to the naming patterns her parents could have been Thomas and Katherine but may not have been. Browns are so hard to research. > > Cheers, > Mary > > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Heather Grimwood <heather.grimwood@xtra.co.nz mailto:heather.grimwood@xtra.co.nz > wrote: > > > > i'd love to know if there is more about each voter ...even their abode ... as i can NOT after decades sort out my BROWN ancestry in area. . Heather in sunny Dunedin New Zealand > > > > > > > > On 15 November 2017 at 10:01 jbundy48@comcast.net mailto:jbundy48@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > In 1547, Fenwick was still a part of the Kilmarnock parish (until 1643). I'm sure that "Pawtoun" is an early spelling of Paton. I have Fenwick Patons in my line. > > > Jim Bundy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > In McKay?s History of Kilmarnock page 3, it outlines the names of people (assume heads of households) living in the Parish of Kilmarnock (in those days it would have included the present day parish of Fenwick) - > > > > > > It cites that in 1547, about 300 people voted for the appointment of a Priest or a Clerk for the Parish of Kilmarnock. These are the names provided and their number - > > > > > > ? > > > The following are the various surnames from the document > > > > > > mentioned; and as the number of each is also given, it will be > > > > > > observed that the prevailing names were Brown, Smith, Boyd and Adam. > > > > > > Adam.........11 Fulton..........10 Nevine..........3 > > > > > > Allan.........3 Gemyll...........6 Norvell.........3 > > > > > > Andro.........4 Gilmure..........5 Nychole.........1 > > > > > > Angus.........1 Gray.............2 Pally...........4 > > > > > > Arnot.........2 Halkill..........1 Pawtoun........12 > > > > > > Auchenloss....6 Harbartsoune.....1 Patrick.........1 > > > > > > Bar...........1 Harper...........8 Quhyte..........6 > > > > > > Blakwod.......2 Hillhouss........3 Rankyne.........1 > > > > > > Black.........1 Hobkyn...........1 Robisone........1 > > > > > > Boill.........1 Howay............1 Ross............4 > > > > > > Boyd.........15 Holmes...........1 Schaw...........2 > > > > > > Borland.......3 Hog..............7 Smyth..........16 > > > > > > Brokat........1 Kendy............1 Steele..........6 > > > > > > Brown........20 Kirkland.........1 Stesen..........1 > > > > > > Calderwood....1 Launchland.......4 Stevinsone......1 > > > > > > Campbell......1 Lowdoun..........3 Strauchand......1 > > > > > > Chalmer.......1 Lowry............3 Tailzeour.......8 > > > > > > Cochrane......1 Lymburnat........4 Tanathill.......9 > > > > > > Craig.........2 Lyndsay..........4 Tempeltoun......1 > > > > > > Craufurd......2 Masoun...........2 Thomson.........3 > > > > > > Credy.........2 Miller...........8 Tod.............1 > > > > > > Crux..........7 Mure.............2 Torrence........1 > > > > > > Cunynham......5 Mychell..........1 Wallace.........8 > > > > > > Curry.........5 Myll.............1 Warnock.........3 > > > > > > Cuthbertsoune.1 Nasmyth..........1 Wilsoun.........2 > > > > > > Dickey........5 Neill............2 Wright..........1 > > > > > > Duncane.......2 Wylie...........6 > > > > > > Findlay.......4 > > > > > > Timothy Pont, about sixty years after the time spoken of, namely, in > > > > > > 1609, visited the town when making a survey of Cunningham, and, in > > > > > > his own quaint manner, thus describes it: "Kilmernock-toune and Kirk > > > > > > is a large village and of grate repaire. It hath in it a veekly > > > > > > market, it hath a faire stone bridge over the river Marnock vich > > > > > > glydes hard by the said toune, till it falles in the river Irving. It > > > > > > hath a pretty church from vich ye village, castell and lordshipe > > > > > > takes its name.... The Lord Boyd is now Lord of it, to quhose > > > > > > predicessors it hath belonged for maney generations. In tis church ar > > > > > > divers of ye Lord Boydes progenitors buried, amongs quhome ther is > > > > > > one tombe or stone, bearing this inscription and coate, Hic jacet > > > > > > Thomas Boyde Dominus de Kilmarnock qui obiit Septimo die mensis Julii > > > > > > 1432, and Johanna de Montgomery eius spousa. Orate pro iis.1 > > > > > > 1. In the books of the Irvine Presbytery, the following notice occurs > > > > > > regarding Lord Boyd's tomb: "At a visitation at Kilmarnock, 19th June > > > > > > 1649, anent ane superstitious image that was upon my Lord Boyd his > > > > > > tomb, it was the Presbiterie's mynd that his Lordship sould be > > > > > > written to that he wold be pleased to demolish and ding it doun, and > > > > > > if he should refuse, that then the Presbiterie was to take a further > > > > > > course." This appears to have been in accordance with an act of > > > > > > Parliament, passed a few years previously, for "abolishing monuments > > > > > > of Idolatrie." > > > > > > The first notice of any consequence which we have of Kilmarnock, and > > > > > > more especially of the extent of its population, at an early date, is > > > > > > in a document, > > > > > > Does anyone know this document and does it list by name and location these individual families? > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Mike Boyd > > > Brisbane, aust. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > > > AYRSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com mailto:AYRSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com . > > > > > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com mailto:AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com . > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com mailto:AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 12, Issue 101 > > > > > > ***************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com mailto:AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com mailto:AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >

It would appear that this document is in the NRS catalogue. But I do not now if it is fully available online or only telling that it is listed. M’Kay, said the original document was in Latin, was this might be the Latin version of it, but if it is online, it may also give the 300 people that I sent in the table a few days ago. Mike Boyd From: Iain Kennedy Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 1:55 AM To: boyd@rootsweb.com Cc: mikejboyd@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [BOYD] Boyd of Hungryhill (Scotland) 1547 There is a reference to him in the NRS catalogue Reference RH1/2/879 Title Instrument narrating that those to whom the election of parish clerk of Kilmernok pertained (names given), being assembled in the parish Kirk thereof, elected Alexander Boyd, son of Robert, master of Boyd of Kilmernok, to the office of parish clerk, vacant by the death of Thomas Boyd of Lynd, last parish clerk, and gave him possession thereof by delivery of the bell etc at the time of high mass Dates 17-20 Nov 1547 Access status Open Location Off site Description Witnesses: Robert Boyd, son of Patrick Boyd of Hungryhill, John Boyd of Nairstoun, James Cunyngham of Clonbaith, James Wylie and Robert Colvile. Notary: John Purdie, clerk, Glasgow diocese. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD <boyd-bounces+ikennedy_msdn2=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> Sent: 15 November 2017 12:36 To: boyd@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOYD] Boyd of Hungryhill (Scotland) 1547 In Archibald M’Kay’s book History of Kilmarnock, 1864, page 58 it as this reference “Robert Boyd, son of Patrick Boyd of Hungryhill” 1) Do any list members know where this place is located within Scotland? 2) This is the first time that I have seen this location given for a Boyd family (despite having M’Kay’s book for some 20 years. So it pays to go over old publications to review them). Mike Boyd

Thank you Linda. I will list this location in the family chapter I am now developing to record this family. When I went an looked I also found a farm of this name a few miles north of Galston and across the road form Loudoun Castle. So when I next go to Kilmarnock – most likely in 2019 – I will have to look at both George Robertson and James Patterson’s publication for Loudon Parish to see if they might have more on this family. Thank you Mike Boyd From: LINDA NORDBY Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:00 PM To: Mike Boyd Cc: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] These Boyds of Kimarnock Parish in 1547 Mike, This is a possible answer for Hungryhill. Linda Nordby https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getoutside/local/hungryhill-wood-stirling Sent from my iPad On Nov 14, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: From Arckibald M’Kay History of Kilmarnock, 1864 edition page 59 it says

i'd love to know if there is more about each voter ...even their abode ... as i can NOT after decades sort out my BROWN ancestry in area. . Heather in sunny Dunedin New Zealand > > On 15 November 2017 at 10:01 jbundy48@comcast.net wrote: > > In 1547, Fenwick was still a part of the Kilmarnock parish (until 1643). I'm sure that "Pawtoun" is an early spelling of Paton. I have Fenwick Patons in my line. > Jim Bundy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > In McKay?s History of Kilmarnock page 3, it outlines the names of people (assume heads of households) living in the Parish of Kilmarnock (in those days it would have included the present day parish of Fenwick) - > > It cites that in 1547, about 300 people voted for the appointment of a Priest or a Clerk for the Parish of Kilmarnock. These are the names provided and their number - > > ? > The following are the various surnames from the document > > mentioned; and as the number of each is also given, it will be > > observed that the prevailing names were Brown, Smith, Boyd and Adam. > > Adam.........11 Fulton..........10 Nevine..........3 > > Allan.........3 Gemyll...........6 Norvell.........3 > > Andro.........4 Gilmure..........5 Nychole.........1 > > Angus.........1 Gray.............2 Pally...........4 > > Arnot.........2 Halkill..........1 Pawtoun........12 > > Auchenloss....6 Harbartsoune.....1 Patrick.........1 > > Bar...........1 Harper...........8 Quhyte..........6 > > Blakwod.......2 Hillhouss........3 Rankyne.........1 > > Black.........1 Hobkyn...........1 Robisone........1 > > Boill.........1 Howay............1 Ross............4 > > Boyd.........15 Holmes...........1 Schaw...........2 > > Borland.......3 Hog..............7 Smyth..........16 > > Brokat........1 Kendy............1 Steele..........6 > > Brown........20 Kirkland.........1 Stesen..........1 > > Calderwood....1 Launchland.......4 Stevinsone......1 > > Campbell......1 Lowdoun..........3 Strauchand......1 > > Chalmer.......1 Lowry............3 Tailzeour.......8 > > Cochrane......1 Lymburnat........4 Tanathill.......9 > > Craig.........2 Lyndsay..........4 Tempeltoun......1 > > Craufurd......2 Masoun...........2 Thomson.........3 > > Credy.........2 Miller...........8 Tod.............1 > > Crux..........7 Mure.............2 Torrence........1 > > Cunynham......5 Mychell..........1 Wallace.........8 > > Curry.........5 Myll.............1 Warnock.........3 > > Cuthbertsoune.1 Nasmyth..........1 Wilsoun.........2 > > Dickey........5 Neill............2 Wright..........1 > > Duncane.......2 Wylie...........6 > > Findlay.......4 > > Timothy Pont, about sixty years after the time spoken of, namely, in > > 1609, visited the town when making a survey of Cunningham, and, in > > his own quaint manner, thus describes it: "Kilmernock-toune and Kirk > > is a large village and of grate repaire. It hath in it a veekly > > market, it hath a faire stone bridge over the river Marnock vich > > glydes hard by the said toune, till it falles in the river Irving. It > > hath a pretty church from vich ye village, castell and lordshipe > > takes its name.... The Lord Boyd is now Lord of it, to quhose > > predicessors it hath belonged for maney generations. In tis church ar > > divers of ye Lord Boydes progenitors buried, amongs quhome ther is > > one tombe or stone, bearing this inscription and coate, Hic jacet > > Thomas Boyde Dominus de Kilmarnock qui obiit Septimo die mensis Julii > > 1432, and Johanna de Montgomery eius spousa. Orate pro iis.1 > > 1. In the books of the Irvine Presbytery, the following notice occurs > > regarding Lord Boyd's tomb: "At a visitation at Kilmarnock, 19th June > > 1649, anent ane superstitious image that was upon my Lord Boyd his > > tomb, it was the Presbiterie's mynd that his Lordship sould be > > written to that he wold be pleased to demolish and ding it doun, and > > if he should refuse, that then the Presbiterie was to take a further > > course." This appears to have been in accordance with an act of > > Parliament, passed a few years previously, for "abolishing monuments > > of Idolatrie." > > The first notice of any consequence which we have of Kilmarnock, and > > more especially of the extent of its population, at an early date, is > > in a document, > > Does anyone know this document and does it list by name and location these individual families? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, aust. > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > AYRSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------ > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 12, Issue 101 > > ***************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Heather, None of your Browns were in the Muirkirk area were they - By the mid-1700s? I have ggg-grandmother Anne Brown married James Morrison in 1778 at Asdhawburn, Muirkirk. According to the naming patterns her parents could have been Thomas and Katherine but may not have been. Browns are so hard to research. Cheers, Mary On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Heather Grimwood < heather.grimwood@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > i'd love to know if there is more about each voter ...even their > abode ... as i can NOT after decades sort out my BROWN ancestry > in area. . Heather in sunny Dunedin New Zealand > > > > > On 15 November 2017 at 10:01 jbundy48@comcast.net wrote: > > > > In 1547, Fenwick was still a part of the Kilmarnock parish (until > 1643). I'm sure that "Pawtoun" is an early spelling of Paton. I have > Fenwick Patons in my line. > > Jim Bundy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > In McKay?s History of Kilmarnock page 3, it outlines the names of > people (assume heads of households) living in the Parish of Kilmarnock (in > those days it would have included the present day parish of Fenwick) - > > > > It cites that in 1547, about 300 people voted for the appointment of > a Priest or a Clerk for the Parish of Kilmarnock. These are the names > provided and their number - > > > > ? > > The following are the various surnames from the document > > > > mentioned; and as the number of each is also given, it will be > > > > observed that the prevailing names were Brown, Smith, Boyd and Adam. > > > > Adam.........11 Fulton..........10 Nevine..........3 > > > > Allan.........3 Gemyll...........6 Norvell.........3 > > > > Andro.........4 Gilmure..........5 Nychole.........1 > > > > Angus.........1 Gray.............2 Pally...........4 > > > > Arnot.........2 Halkill..........1 Pawtoun........12 > > > > Auchenloss....6 Harbartsoune.....1 Patrick.........1 > > > > Bar...........1 Harper...........8 Quhyte..........6 > > > > Blakwod.......2 Hillhouss........3 Rankyne.........1 > > > > Black.........1 Hobkyn...........1 Robisone........1 > > > > Boill.........1 Howay............1 Ross............4 > > > > Boyd.........15 Holmes...........1 Schaw...........2 > > > > Borland.......3 Hog..............7 Smyth..........16 > > > > Brokat........1 Kendy............1 Steele..........6 > > > > Brown........20 Kirkland.........1 Stesen..........1 > > > > Calderwood....1 Launchland.......4 Stevinsone......1 > > > > Campbell......1 Lowdoun..........3 Strauchand......1 > > > > Chalmer.......1 Lowry............3 Tailzeour.......8 > > > > Cochrane......1 Lymburnat........4 Tanathill.......9 > > > > Craig.........2 Lyndsay..........4 Tempeltoun......1 > > > > Craufurd......2 Masoun...........2 Thomson.........3 > > > > Credy.........2 Miller...........8 Tod.............1 > > > > Crux..........7 Mure.............2 Torrence........1 > > > > Cunynham......5 Mychell..........1 Wallace.........8 > > > > Curry.........5 Myll.............1 Warnock.........3 > > > > Cuthbertsoune.1 Nasmyth..........1 Wilsoun.........2 > > > > Dickey........5 Neill............2 Wright..........1 > > > > Duncane.......2 Wylie...........6 > > > > Findlay.......4 > > > > Timothy Pont, about sixty years after the time spoken of, namely, in > > > > 1609, visited the town when making a survey of Cunningham, and, in > > > > his own quaint manner, thus describes it: "Kilmernock-toune and Kirk > > > > is a large village and of grate repaire. It hath in it a veekly > > > > market, it hath a faire stone bridge over the river Marnock vich > > > > glydes hard by the said toune, till it falles in the river Irving. It > > > > hath a pretty church from vich ye village, castell and lordshipe > > > > takes its name.... The Lord Boyd is now Lord of it, to quhose > > > > predicessors it hath belonged for maney generations. In tis church ar > > > > divers of ye Lord Boydes progenitors buried, amongs quhome ther is > > > > one tombe or stone, bearing this inscription and coate, Hic jacet > > > > Thomas Boyde Dominus de Kilmarnock qui obiit Septimo die mensis Julii > > > > 1432, and Johanna de Montgomery eius spousa. Orate pro iis.1 > > > > 1. In the books of the Irvine Presbytery, the following notice > occurs > > > > regarding Lord Boyd's tomb: "At a visitation at Kilmarnock, 19th June > > > > 1649, anent ane superstitious image that was upon my Lord Boyd his > > > > tomb, it was the Presbiterie's mynd that his Lordship sould be > > > > written to that he wold be pleased to demolish and ding it doun, and > > > > if he should refuse, that then the Presbiterie was to take a further > > > > course." This appears to have been in accordance with an act of > > > > Parliament, passed a few years previously, for "abolishing monuments > > > > of Idolatrie." > > > > The first notice of any consequence which we have of Kilmarnock, and > > > > more especially of the extent of its population, at an early date, is > > > > in a document, > > > > Does anyone know this document and does it list by name and location > these individual families? > > > > Thank you > > > > Mike Boyd > > Brisbane, aust. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > > AYRSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 12, Issue 101 > > > > ***************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From Arckibald M’Kay History of Kilmarnock, 1864 edition page 59 it says These things were done within the foresaid parish of Kilmarnock, and parish Kirk thereof, on the days, in the year, month, Indiction, and Pont- ificate, as above, in presence of Robert Boyd, son of Patrick Boyd of Hungryhill; John Boyd of Nairston; James Cunynghame of Clonbeith; James Wyllie; and Robert Colvile; with several other witnesses called and required to the premises. "Subscribed by George Boyd and John Parker, notaries, with the usual docquets." Where is Hungryhill – in Kilmarnock Parish, Ayrshire or Scotland? Where is Nairston? It might be in Lanarkshire rather than in Ayrshire. This is the first time I seem these four Boyd listed for 1547. Thank you Mike Boyd

In 1547, Fenwick was still a part of the Kilmarnock parish (until 1643). I'm sure that "Pawtoun" is an early spelling of Paton. I have Fenwick Patons in my line. Jim Bundy ----- Original Message ----- In McKay?s History of Kilmarnock page 3, it outlines the names of people (assume heads of households) living in the Parish of Kilmarnock (in those days it would have included the present day parish of Fenwick) - It cites that in 1547, about 300 people voted for the appointment of a Priest or a Clerk for the Parish of Kilmarnock. These are the names provided and their number - ? The following are the various surnames from the document mentioned; and as the number of each is also given, it will be observed that the prevailing names were Brown, Smith, Boyd and Adam. Adam.........11 Fulton..........10 Nevine..........3 Allan.........3 Gemyll...........6 Norvell.........3 Andro.........4 Gilmure..........5 Nychole.........1 Angus.........1 Gray.............2 Pally...........4 Arnot.........2 Halkill..........1 Pawtoun........12 Auchenloss....6 Harbartsoune.....1 Patrick.........1 Bar...........1 Harper...........8 Quhyte..........6 Blakwod.......2 Hillhouss........3 Rankyne.........1 Black.........1 Hobkyn...........1 Robisone........1 Boill.........1 Howay............1 Ross............4 Boyd.........15 Holmes...........1 Schaw...........2 Borland.......3 Hog..............7 Smyth..........16 Brokat........1 Kendy............1 Steele..........6 Brown........20 Kirkland.........1 Stesen..........1 Calderwood....1 Launchland.......4 Stevinsone......1 Campbell......1 Lowdoun..........3 Strauchand......1 Chalmer.......1 Lowry............3 Tailzeour.......8 Cochrane......1 Lymburnat........4 Tanathill.......9 Craig.........2 Lyndsay..........4 Tempeltoun......1 Craufurd......2 Masoun...........2 Thomson.........3 Credy.........2 Miller...........8 Tod.............1 Crux..........7 Mure.............2 Torrence........1 Cunynham......5 Mychell..........1 Wallace.........8 Curry.........5 Myll.............1 Warnock.........3 Cuthbertsoune.1 Nasmyth..........1 Wilsoun.........2 Dickey........5 Neill............2 Wright..........1 Duncane.......2 Wylie...........6 Findlay.......4 Timothy Pont, about sixty years after the time spoken of, namely, in 1609, visited the town when making a survey of Cunningham, and, in his own quaint manner, thus describes it: "Kilmernock-toune and Kirk is a large village and of grate repaire. It hath in it a veekly market, it hath a faire stone bridge over the river Marnock vich glydes hard by the said toune, till it falles in the river Irving. It hath a pretty church from vich ye village, castell and lordshipe takes its name.... The Lord Boyd is now Lord of it, to quhose predicessors it hath belonged for maney generations. In tis church ar divers of ye Lord Boydes progenitors buried, amongs quhome ther is one tombe or stone, bearing this inscription and coate, Hic jacet Thomas Boyde Dominus de Kilmarnock qui obiit Septimo die mensis Julii 1432, and Johanna de Montgomery eius spousa. Orate pro iis.1 1. In the books of the Irvine Presbytery, the following notice occurs regarding Lord Boyd's tomb: "At a visitation at Kilmarnock, 19th June 1649, anent ane superstitious image that was upon my Lord Boyd his tomb, it was the Presbiterie's mynd that his Lordship sould be written to that he wold be pleased to demolish and ding it doun, and if he should refuse, that then the Presbiterie was to take a further course." This appears to have been in accordance with an act of Parliament, passed a few years previously, for "abolishing monuments of Idolatrie." The first notice of any consequence which we have of Kilmarnock, and more especially of the extent of its population, at an early date, is in a document, Does anyone know this document and does it list by name and location these individual families? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, aust. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to AYRSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 12, Issue 101 *****************************************

Mike, This is a possible answer for Hungryhill. Linda Nordby https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getoutside/local/hungryhill-wood-stirling Sent from my iPad > On Nov 14, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: > > From Arckibald M’Kay History of Kilmarnock, 1864 edition page 59 it says > > > These things were done within the foresaid parish of Kilmarnock, and parish > > Kirk thereof, on the days, in the year, month, Indiction, and Pont- > > ificate, as above, in presence of Robert Boyd, son of Patrick Boyd of > > Hungryhill; John Boyd of Nairston; James Cunynghame of Clonbeith; > > James Wyllie; and Robert Colvile; with several other witnesses called > > and required to the premises. "Subscribed by George Boyd and John > > Parker, notaries, with the usual docquets." > > Where is Hungryhill – in Kilmarnock Parish, Ayrshire or Scotland? > > Where is Nairston? It might be in Lanarkshire rather than in Ayrshire. > > This is the first time I seem these four Boyd listed for 1547. > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In McKay’s History of Kilmarnock page 3, it outlines the names of people (assume heads of households) living in the Parish of Kilmarnock (in those days it would have included the present day parish of Fenwick) - It cites that in 1547, about 300 people voted for the appointment of a Priest or a Clerk for the Parish of Kilmarnock. These are the names provided and their number - “ The following are the various surnames from the document mentioned; and as the number of each is also given, it will be observed that the prevailing names were Brown, Smith, Boyd and Adam. Adam.........11 Fulton..........10 Nevine..........3 Allan.........3 Gemyll...........6 Norvell.........3 Andro.........4 Gilmure..........5 Nychole.........1 Angus.........1 Gray.............2 Pally...........4 Arnot.........2 Halkill..........1 Pawtoun........12 Auchenloss....6 Harbartsoune.....1 Patrick.........1 Bar...........1 Harper...........8 Quhyte..........6 Blakwod.......2 Hillhouss........3 Rankyne.........1 Black.........1 Hobkyn...........1 Robisone........1 Boill.........1 Howay............1 Ross............4 Boyd.........15 Holmes...........1 Schaw...........2 Borland.......3 Hog..............7 Smyth..........16 Brokat........1 Kendy............1 Steele..........6 Brown........20 Kirkland.........1 Stesen..........1 Calderwood....1 Launchland.......4 Stevinsone......1 Campbell......1 Lowdoun..........3 Strauchand......1 Chalmer.......1 Lowry............3 Tailzeour.......8 Cochrane......1 Lymburnat........4 Tanathill.......9 Craig.........2 Lyndsay..........4 Tempeltoun......1 Craufurd......2 Masoun...........2 Thomson.........3 Credy.........2 Miller...........8 Tod.............1 Crux..........7 Mure.............2 Torrence........1 Cunynham......5 Mychell..........1 Wallace.........8 Curry.........5 Myll.............1 Warnock.........3 Cuthbertsoune.1 Nasmyth..........1 Wilsoun.........2 Dickey........5 Neill............2 Wright..........1 Duncane.......2 Wylie...........6 Findlay.......4 Timothy Pont, about sixty years after the time spoken of, namely, in 1609, visited the town when making a survey of Cunningham, and, in his own quaint manner, thus describes it: "Kilmernock-toune and Kirk is a large village and of grate repaire. It hath in it a veekly market, it hath a faire stone bridge over the river Marnock vich glydes hard by the said toune, till it falles in the river Irving. It hath a pretty church from vich ye village, castell and lordshipe takes its name.... The Lord Boyd is now Lord of it, to quhose predicessors it hath belonged for maney generations. In tis church ar divers of ye Lord Boydes progenitors buried, amongs quhome ther is one tombe or stone, bearing this inscription and coate, Hic jacet Thomas Boyde Dominus de Kilmarnock qui obiit Septimo die mensis Julii 1432, and Johanna de Montgomery eius spousa. Orate pro iis.1 1. In the books of the Irvine Presbytery, the following notice occurs regarding Lord Boyd's tomb: "At a visitation at Kilmarnock, 19th June 1649, anent ane superstitious image that was upon my Lord Boyd his tomb, it was the Presbiterie's mynd that his Lordship sould be written to that he wold be pleased to demolish and ding it doun, and if he should refuse, that then the Presbiterie was to take a further course." This appears to have been in accordance with an act of Parliament, passed a few years previously, for "abolishing monuments of Idolatrie." The first notice of any consequence which we have of Kilmarnock, and more especially of the extent of its population, at an early date, is in a document, Does anyone know this document and does it list by name and location these individual families? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, aust.

The known children of Robert Boyd, Glover of Kilmarnock, and Margaret Boyd. According to Boyd-Patterson ancestry (by) H. Minot Pitman and Katharine Patterson Boyd Hunt. 1967, pages 2-3, provides this outline for the family of Robert Boyd and Margaret Thompson. “The children of Robert and Margaret (Thompson) Boyd, according to the Kilmarnock Register, were: i Robert b 7 March 1716, Bapt 22 March 1718 by Rev Mr Pedin, Witnesses: John Adams and Peter Thompson, d. 30 June 1734. ii John, b. 26 Nov 1717, bapt 11 Dec. 1717 by Rev Mr Wright, d. in infancy. iii. John, b. 18 Aug. 1719, Bapt 1 Dec. 1719. v William, b. and bapt 1 March 1724 by Mr Wright, living in London 1795. v A child, no name or date given. vi. A child, no name given, bapt 14 Dec 1725. vii. Margaret, b. 28 Jan. 1728, bapt, 1 Feb 1728 by Mr Paisley; m. 5 Sept 1728, Matthew Fairservice, glover. He was probably son of Matthew Fairservice, glover who d. Kilmarnock, 4 Dec. 1746, aged 80. She d. London, 1776. viii A child, no name or date. ix Janet, b. and bapt. by Mr Paisley, 29 March 1730, d. 12 Apr. 1733. x James, b 3 May 1732, bapt 4 May 1732 by Mr Hill. xi Janet, b. and bapt. 28 Dec 1735, by Mr Hill; m. 30 Dec 1756, John Thompson, glover, b. ca 1730, son of glover William and Agnes (Cummin) Thompson. The above births, baptisms, marriages and deaths were copied form original records in Kilmarnock by Miss E. Winfred Binning of Edinburgh, Scotland in 1966.” Gap of children’s births between 1719 and 1724, suggest to me that perhaps the fifth child might have been born in this gap or there might have been still born children also in this period gap. However, from these known children, it would appear that Robert and Margaret have not followed the normal naming pattern. So who is the first child, Robert, named after? Robert Boyd’s father seams to be a John Boyd, so why therefore would he call this first son after himself? Or could it be that this first child is called after Robert Boyd’s grandfather, who was a Robert Boyd? This Robert Boyd dies in 1734 and there is only one child, a girl called Janet, born after his death, so this name is not able to be re-used in the family by another son. While the second son is called John Boyd and when he dies in infancy the third son is also called John Boyd. So this name seems important to the family, but does it help confirm that Robert’s father was called John Boyd? With Margaret’s parents called Peter and Bessie (I assume short for Elizabeth), neither name is used for the eight known children. So does this suggest that these two names might have been used for the three un-named children? So could the fifth or sixth child had been a girl and called Bessie/Elizabeth? Margaret, the seventh child, and perhaps the second daughter, would appear to be called after her mother. While the Janet also seems to be important to the family as ninth child is called Janet and when she dies in 1733, the 11th child another girl is then called “Janet”. With the fourth child and son being called William, does this mean that Robert, the father, had a next brother called William Boyd? As anyone viewed the Old Parish Register entries for Kilmarnock and seen what is actually written for each entry? I have known for about three decades that Robert and Margaret’s son James Boyd, born in 1732 was the tenth child in this family, but I am not sure if that is what the OPR’s say or this number is determined from some other source. It would appear that only five of these children – John; William; Margaret; James and Janet - might have lived long enough to marry and have a family. So if you have any knowledge of these five families I would like to hear from you please. Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS [#70]

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Mike, Go into the rootsweb archives for Ayrshire and check all of Jim Bundy's transcriptions, your post came in 2 hours too late as I just deleted them all. Also check the spelling for THOMPSON, in Scotland it is usually without the "P" as in THOMSON Regards, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:52 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Is anyone researching the family of John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire? Is there anyone researching the family of John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland. They are thought by book Boyd-Patterson ancestry (by) H. Minot Pitman and Katharine Patterson Boyd Hunt. 1967, page 1, that the Robert Boyd born 2 August 1688 in Kilmarnock and died 7 March 1759, “aged” 72”, who married on 25 October 1714, at Kilmarnock, Margaret Thompson, the daughter of Peter Thompson and Bessie Adams, that he was the son of John and Agnes (Blackwood) Boyd. It also mentions of this page “More than one Boyd genealogy, Browning’s Americans of Royal Descent and others of like authenticity have maintained, without any proof, that Robert Boyd, the glover of Kilmarnock, was the fourth son of William, ninth Lord Boyd and first Earl of Kilmarnock and strength of such statement the College of Heralds in Scotland has granted the Earl’s arms with a difference to a present descendant of Robert and Margaret (Thompson) Boyd, with, however, a qualifying statement that the descent was “possible”. The Earl of Kilmarnock was married in 1661 so his fourth son would hardly have been born nearly 30 years later. [a] That Robert Boyd the glover was the son of John and Agnes (Blackwood) Boyd is likely since he is known to have been born in 1688 or 1689 and by the death record of Robert Boyd, he died in 1759, aged 72.” [a] William Boyd’s wife was Jean Cunningham, eldest daughter of William Cunningham, ninth Earl of Glencairn and Lord High Chancellor, but I do not in 2017, have the date of her birth to know how old she might have been in 1688 to be having her fourth son and several other children after that date. This 1688 date “might suggest that she was too old to bear children at that age. From what I have found William and Jean had a further four children after their son Robert was born. And it should be remembered that the Earl died in 1692, so if Browning and other authors are to be believed she had had five children in four years and only four children between 1661 and 1688. So is anyone researching the Blackwood family of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire in the late 1600’s and what is known about that family? I have then gone to the 1994 International Genealogical Index for the UK (down to Margaret Boyd) to see if I could find any entries. I then found another son born to John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood - John Boyd, Baptised 13 March 1692, at Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. This entry was from a private tree – Batch Number 7206763 and serial number 63. This is the only entry in the Boyd Index down to Margaret Boyd, suggesting that this family tree might be a Blackwood family tree rather than Boyd tree. There is another possibility, that this family of John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood have been part of the Scottish migration to Ireland after the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. So this may explain why there are no further children born in Scotland after 1692. But I have yet to find any such family in Ireland after some 13 years of searching there. Nor have I yet found any family for this John Boyd born in 1692 at Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. So if you have an “John Boyd born in 1692” in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire or Scotland, you may need to look at this person. These IGI records do not tell us which Church in the late 1680’s or 1690’s that this family attended, to help further identify this family. In this period I know of at least two Churches in Kilmarnock – the High Church and the Low Church – but there might have been other churches in Kilmarnock at this time. So I went back to the 1994 IGI for the UK and it had an entry for a John Boyd born about 1659, of Kilmarnock, who later married Agnes Blackwood. This is listed in the private tree with Batch number 442593. Again it was the only entry in the Index down to Margaret Boyd. When a entry is written this way it normally means that the researcher does not know the names of the parents. The date of marriage “might be” included in the original tree, but the LDS instead of putting in a marriage date have but in their estimate birth date in recent decades to their formatting. So in the 1680’s there could be a marriage entry for John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood in one of the Kilmarnock Churches for this couple. The 1994 IGI for the UK provides several entries for John Boyd’s born around 1659 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. 1. John Boyd, born 17 Jan. 1658 to James Boyd and Janet Thompson – Batch number 7626713, serial # 55; 2. John Boyd, Bapt. 3 May 1658 to Robert Boyd and Helen Boyd – Batch number 7113220, serial # 91; 3. Johne Boyd, Bapt 13 May 1658 to Robert Boyd and Helen Boyd – Batch number C115972; 4. Johne Boyd, Bapt 11 Sept 1659 to John Boyd and Margret Adame – Batch number c115972; 5. John Boyd, Bapt. 24 Oct 1659 to John Boyd and Janet Crawford – Batch number 7003003, serial # 15. One or none of these could be this John Boyd’s parents. So are there any Blackwood researchers looking at their family in Kilmarnock and secondly are there any Boyd researchers who have a John Boyd born in 1692, or about 1692, in Kilmarnock that might be this second known child of John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood? Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS [#69] --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Jenny In this book they use the "P" for Thompson. But is a second book of 1962, I think that her name is spelt without the "P". So yes, for those that are searching, you will need to use the several spelling variation for Thompson/Thomson. Jim Bundy, can you send me your current Email address please - privately? I look forward to exchanging information with any Blackwood researchers on this Boyd-Blackwood family and to find more children than just Robert and John Boyd. Thank you Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Myers Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 9:10 AM To: Mike Boyd ; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Is anyone researching the family of John Boyd and Agnes Blackwood of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire? Mike, Go into the rootsweb archives for Ayrshire and check all of Jim Bundy's transcriptions, your post came in 2 hours too late as I just deleted them all. Also check the spelling for THOMPSON, in Scotland it is usually without the "P" as in THOMSON Regards, Jenny