Dear Listers, Thank you all so much for explaining my questions this morning. FC, FA, MA, MC. and also what a 'Cop maker' was. I have found out quite a bit about the cotton industry of the mid 1800's that my Mackie family were, like many others involved in. Many thanks for your help Cheers Chris

sounds much more likely than my 'cap' guess....Stewarton e.g. was well known for its spindles...Heather > On 02 July 2018 at 12:09 Doug McLean wrote: > > > 1. To Edward Tomlinson, of the city of Man- chester, in the county of Lancaster, Engineer and Manufacturer of Cop Tubes by Patent- Machinery, for the invention of "an improved apparatus for facilitating the placing of cop- tubes on the spindles of spinning and doubling machines." > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 2 Jul 2018, at 9:04 am, Goldstraw wrote: > > > > Dear Listers, > > > > I have a copy of an 1851 census record for a family , after each name in the sex column there are various letters. > > So I am wondering what FC, MC, FA, MA means please? > > > > Also can anyone tell me what a "Cop Maker" in the employment column might mean. It is next to one of the girl's names. The girl is 20 yrs old. It's in the 1861 census record. > > > > Many thanks for your help > > Cheers Chris > > Aus > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswe bpref > > > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Doug, Interesting information. I've learnt quite a bit this morning. Thankyou. Cheers Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug McLean" <ttenis@netspace.net.au> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 10:09 AM To: "Goldstraw" <goldies@westvic.com.au>; <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [AYR] Census info.......sex. FC etc > 1. To Edward Tomlinson, of the city of Man- chester, in the county of > Lancaster, Engineer and Manufacturer of Cop Tubes by Patent- Machinery, > for the invention of "an improved apparatus for facilitating the placing > of cop- tubes on the spindles of spinning and doubling machines." > > : >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> I have a copy of an 1851 census record for a family , after each name in >> the sex column there are various letters. >> So I am wondering what FC, MC, FA, MA means please? >> >> Also can anyone tell me what a "Cop Maker" in the employment column >> might mean. It is next to one of the girl's names. The girl is 20 yrs >> old. It's in the 1861 census record. >> >> Many thanks for your help >> Cheers Chris >> Aus >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >

Hi Jenny, I have an old census record I printed back in 2006, I notice the new freebie one doesn't have that column. Thanks Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jenny Blain" <jenny.blain@freeuk.com> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 10:28 AM To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: [AYR] Re: Census info.......sex. FC etc > Chris, a 'cop' is a cone onto which thread is wound, which then is used > for the weft in weaving. 'Cop winder' is the term I've come across, but > 'cop maker' would mean the same. > > However, I'm not sure what column you're referring to for the initials, as > there's no 'sex column' in the 1851 census. The column after 'name' is > 'relation to head of family', followed by 'condition' (meaning married, > widowed, etc.) > > Jenny > > > On 02/07/2018 00:04, Goldstraw wrote: >> Dear Listers, >> >> I have a copy of an 1851 census record for a family , after each name in >> the sex column there are various letters. >> So I am wondering what FC, MC, FA, MA means please? >> >> Also can anyone tell me what a "Cop Maker" in the employment column >> might mean. It is next to one of the girl's names. The girl is 20 yrs >> old. It's in the 1861 census record. > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Chris, a 'cop' is a cone onto which thread is wound, which then is used for the weft in weaving. 'Cop winder' is the term I've come across, but 'cop maker' would mean the same. However, I'm not sure what column you're referring to for the initials, as there's no 'sex column' in the 1851 census. The column after 'name' is 'relation to head of family', followed by 'condition' (meaning married, widowed, etc.) Jenny On 02/07/2018 00:04, Goldstraw wrote: > Dear Listers, > > I have a copy of an 1851 census record for a family , after each name > in the sex column there are various letters. > So I am wondering what FC, MC, FA, MA means please? > > Also can anyone tell me what  a "Cop Maker" in the employment column > might mean. It is next to one of the girl's names. The girl is 20 yrs > old. It's in the 1861 census record.

1. To Edward Tomlinson, of the city of Man- chester, in the county of Lancaster, Engineer and Manufacturer of Cop Tubes by Patent- Machinery, for the invention of "an improved apparatus for facilitating the placing of cop- tubes on the spindles of spinning and doubling machines." Sent from my iPhone > On 2 Jul 2018, at 9:04 am, Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > I have a copy of an 1851 census record for a family , after each name in the sex column there are various letters. > So I am wondering what FC, MC, FA, MA means please? > > Also can anyone tell me what a "Cop Maker" in the employment column might mean. It is next to one of the girl's names. The girl is 20 yrs old. It's in the 1861 census record. > > Many thanks for your help > Cheers Chris > Aus > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

addendum yo my reply....if the C and A in separate columns from F and M, means christened, the A as an adult Heather > On 02 July 2018 at 11:04 Goldstraw wrote: > > > Dear Listers, > > I have a copy of an 1851 census record for a family , after each name in the > sex column there are various letters. > So I am wondering what FC, MC, FA, MA means please? > > Also can anyone tell me what a "Cop Maker" in the employment column might > mean. It is next to one of the girl's names. The girl is 20 yrs old. It's in > the 1861 census record. > > Many thanks for your help > Cheers Chris > Aus > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I would guess the particular informant wrote initials for 'female child' 'female adult' etc and maybe 'cop' for 'cap'.... Heather > On 02 July 2018 at 11:04 Goldstraw wrote: > > > Dear Listers, > > I have a copy of an 1851 census record for a family , after each name in the > sex column there are various letters. > So I am wondering what FC, MC, FA, MA means please? > > Also can anyone tell me what a "Cop Maker" in the employment column might > mean. It is next to one of the girl's names. The girl is 20 yrs old. It's in > the 1861 census record. > > Many thanks for your help > Cheers Chris > Aus > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Listers, I have a copy of an 1851 census record for a family , after each name in the sex column there are various letters. So I am wondering what FC, MC, FA, MA means please? Also can anyone tell me what a "Cop Maker" in the employment column might mean. It is next to one of the girl's names. The girl is 20 yrs old. It's in the 1861 census record. Many thanks for your help Cheers Chris Aus

Hello All. My 2 bits worth on the subject is with John and his explanation of this "sometime wife of baillie James Wilson" Certainly his explanation seems feasible to me, but of course always great to hear opinions as this is a new terminology not heard by me at any time. Hope all Canadians are having a wonderful 151st Birthday Party today. Linda Nordby Vancouver BC -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Rea <deborah.rea94@gmail.com> Sent: July 1, 2018 3:06 PM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Re: The family of Margaret Boyd, of Pitcon, and Baillie James Wilson, senior merchant in Kilmarnock. Mike - Trying to interpret what you stated in an earlier email: the words “sometime wife of Bailie James Wilson”, that puzzle me. Does this expression mean they were divorced - I do not think so, as that term have been used back then – or does it mean that were living apart at the time of her death? Could this mean that Margaret Boyd was perhaps James Wilson's first (or possibly) second wife? Regards, Debbie Rea On 29 June 2018 at 23:36, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: > The family of Margaret Boyd, of Pitcon, and Baillie James Wilson, > senior merchant in Kilmarnock. > > > > One of the four daughters of Thomas Boyd and Jean Cuninghame, eldest > daughter of John and Margaret (nee Muir) Cunninghame of Caddel, was > Margaret Boyd who married Baillie James Wilson, senior merchant in > Kilmarnock. > > > > In the book Scottish Records Society. The Commissariot Records of > Glasgow. Register of Testaments, 1547 – 1800. Ed Francis J. Grant, > 1901, page 55, it said that - > > > > “Boyd Margaret, daughter of Thomas Boyd, of Pitcon, sometime wife of > Bailie James Wilson, senior, merchant in Kilmarnock 9 Oct. 1793” > > > > Hear I assume that the date that her Testament was heard in Court was > “9 Oct. 1793” and that Margaret has died before then. > > > > However, it is the words “sometime wife of Bailie James Wilson”, that > puzzle me. Does this expression mean they were divorced – I do not > think so, as that term would have been used – or does it mean that > were living apart at the time of her death? > > > > It would appear that this James Wilson was an “officer” of the Royal > Borough of Kilmarnock – being termed a “bailie”. > > > > Does anyone one know if Margaret and James had any children, if so, > what were their names and date of birth? And is anyone researching > this family. (Through Margaret’s Boyd family, this can be trace > through the Laird’s of Pitcon to the Lord Boyd’s and their feudal > predecessors to the > 1100’s.) > > > > Thank you > > > > Mike Boyd > > > > Chairman > > Historical Committee, HBS > > [# 59] > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > -- Debbie Rea _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Mike - Trying to interpret what you stated in an earlier email: the words “sometime wife of Bailie James Wilson”, that puzzle me. Does this expression mean they were divorced - I do not think so, as that term have been used back then – or does it mean that were living apart at the time of her death? Could this mean that Margaret Boyd was perhaps James Wilson's first (or possibly) second wife? Regards, Debbie Rea On 29 June 2018 at 23:36, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: > The family of Margaret Boyd, of Pitcon, and Baillie James Wilson, senior > merchant in Kilmarnock. > > > > One of the four daughters of Thomas Boyd and Jean Cuninghame, eldest > daughter of John and Margaret (nee Muir) Cunninghame of Caddel, was > Margaret Boyd who married Baillie James Wilson, senior merchant in > Kilmarnock. > > > > In the book Scottish Records Society. The Commissariot Records of > Glasgow. Register of Testaments, 1547 – 1800. Ed Francis J. Grant, 1901, > page 55, it said that - > > > > “Boyd Margaret, daughter of Thomas Boyd, of Pitcon, sometime wife of > Bailie James Wilson, senior, merchant in Kilmarnock 9 Oct. 1793” > > > > Hear I assume that the date that her Testament was heard in Court was “9 > Oct. 1793” and that Margaret has died before then. > > > > However, it is the words “sometime wife of Bailie James Wilson”, that > puzzle me. Does this expression mean they were divorced – I do not think > so, as that term would have been used – or does it mean that were living > apart at the time of her death? > > > > It would appear that this James Wilson was an “officer” of the Royal > Borough of Kilmarnock – being termed a “bailie”. > > > > Does anyone one know if Margaret and James had any children, if so, what > were their names and date of birth? And is anyone researching this > family. (Through Margaret’s Boyd family, this can be trace through the > Laird’s of Pitcon to the Lord Boyd’s and their feudal predecessors to the > 1100’s.) > > > > Thank you > > > > Mike Boyd > > > > Chairman > > Historical Committee, HBS > > [# 59] > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea

Ayrshire List -  The local Family History Center has Tarbolton OPRs on film.  I looked up some of the names listed in the recent posts and have transcribed the information as it was seen.  Some are not the requested names however they are McNeils and may be related. There were some Neills which I did take images of but didn't transcribe below. Can eMail any images someone might want of these or ANY Ayrshire parish as all films of OPRs are at this same FHC about 4 minutes from where I live.  Some films better than others and many are filmed  in the negative [white lettering appearing on a black background]. Didn't check to see if these Tarbolton OPRs have been digitized and available to see online at the various FHCs, I prefer looking at the film than faltering through the online images waiting for them to load. Navigation through the digitized images is not as easy as I'd hoped it would be. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA / scotquester@bartnet.net ====================================== Entries in OPR books as clearly seen, no words left out and [my personal notes are in brackets] anything in (parentheses) or Capitalized is as seen in the original, abbrev's are also as seen in original handwritten entry. Walker & McNeil - John Walker & Flora McNeil both in this parish gave in their names for proclamation of Banns 11th Nov, 1843 and were Married 24th thereof by the Reverend David Ritchie, Minister of Tarbolton. McNeil & McQuater - Arthur McNeil in this parish and Elizabeth McQuater in the parish of Craigie gave in Their Names for proclamation of Banns 23 Nov, 1844 and were Married. [one entire blank line follows, no date, looks like minister or clerk did not follow up and write in Marriage date as was done with all others on the entries for Tarbolton]. McNeil & Thomson - Archibald McNeil & Marg't Thomson both residing in this Parish gave in their names for proclamation of Banns 6 Nov'r 1841 and were Married 26th thereof by the Rev'd David Ritchie, Minister of Tarbolton. 1844 Deaths page 278 entry #34 -  Grace McNeil was interred 4th Nov 1844. 1845 Deaths, page unknown entry #27 - Archibald McNeil was interred 23rd Oct, 1845. 1855 was the first year of mandatory Registrations for Bs, Ms and Ds..... 1855 Marriage, parish of Old Cumnock - entry # 19 - On Aug Thirty-first, 1855 at Barrhill, Old Cumnock Marriage [after Banns] was solemnized between us according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church of Scotland. Signed William McNeill presently residing Tarbolton, ususally residing Tarbolton, age 23, a Weaver and a Bachelor born at Tarbolton on 23 May, 1832 and registered. Son of Archibald McNeil (Deceased), a Weaver and Grace McNeill, Maiden Name Campbell (Deceased).     Signed Jane Hillhouse, presently residing Barrhill, Cumnock, usually residing Barrhill, Cumnock, age 19, a Spinster, born at Stair on 24th November, 1836 and registered. Daughter of William N. Hillhouse, a Wood Merchant and Mary Hillhouse Maiden Name Neill [note, this is not McNeill-Meg]. Signed James Murray, Minister of Cumnock. Signed William Hillhouse, Witness and Signed David Hillhouse, Witness. Registered Sept 3, 1855 at Cumnock by David S. Scott, Registrar. ======================================== On 6/26/2018 6:50 AM, Jennifer Myers wrote: > Hi Maggie, > > I know you have access to the Tarbolton OPRs, was there any further > details in the Burial Reg. for  either of these.. > MCNEIL  GRACE    -----        F    12/11/1844    619/  30 554 Tarbolton > MCNIEL  ARCHIBALD   ----  M   23/10/1845    619/  30 558 Tarbolton > > or in the Marriages..giving son of or dau of? > MCNEILL  ARCHIBALD    GRIZEL CAMPBELL/FR681 (FR681) 30/04/1830 619/  > 30 342    Tarbolton > MCNEIL    ARCHIBALD    MARGARET THOMSON/FR707 (FR707) 26/11/1841   > 619/ 30 390    Tarbolton > > Looking at children's names, was Archibald's father Alexander and > grandfather William? > > Any results in Stat. Deaths of those who died 1855+ ? > > Regards, > cuz Jenny > > > -----Original Message----- From: Maggie Grant > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 5:03 PM > To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AYR] Thomson/McNeill/Drinnan Tarbolton 1873 Marriage > Certificate > > Dear Listers > > Marriage  certificate details for Alexander McNeill and Elizabeth Thomson > > 1873 Statutory registers Marriages 619/10 in the Parish of Tarbolton > in the County of Ayr. > Date 17th June 1873 at Burns Street Tarbolton after Banns according to > the ......of the Established Church of Scotland > Alexander MCNIEL ........ bachelor aged 28 son of Archibald McNeill > silk weaver (deceased), Margaret McNeill ms Thomson (deceased) > Elizabeth THOMSON, domestic servant spinster, 22 daughter of Alexander > THOMSON silk weaver (deceased) MARGARET Thomson m.s. DRINNAN > Signed by David Ritchie Min. of Tarbolton > Cousins. > > Following events took place in Tarbolton > > The above Archibald McNiel  (1810-1845) married Grizel Campbell in > Tarbolton in 1830.  I cannot find the birth place or parents for > Archibald.   Grizel was of the parish. > Their children were > Grace McNeil born 1831, died 1844 > William McNeil born 1833, married Jane Wallace Hillhouse in 1855 in > Old Cumnock.  Wm died in 1901 in Wigtownn – He was a post master and > sheriff officer. > > Archibald McNiel then married Margaret Thomson in 1841 > Their children were > Margaret McNiel born 1842 > Alexander McNiel born 1844 who married the above Elizabeth Thomson. > > The Archibald and William McNiel/McNeil/McNeill are my direct line > relatives along with Grizel Campbell. > > If anyone connects with any of the above I would love to share > information. > > Regards, > Maggie Grant > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community

Mike, This is to support all of what John just said. The date will be of the 'confirming' of the Testament Dative. She was the wife of James Wilson, who was a magistrate or senior councillor in Kilmarnock, the 'sometime' indicating that she was his wife until one of them died. The dates of confirmation of testaments dative are quite often a while after the death. James Wilson was 'senior' implying there was a 'junior', a younger person of that name, possibly a son or nephew, and the word 'senior' does not relate to his being a merchant. This document is available from ScotlandsPeople with reference CC9/7/75. The document will show who made up the inventory and who the executors are (possibly her husband, James Wilson, although he may have pre-deceased her) and what monies were owed by or to Margaret Boyd, with likewise the name of the cautioner. Similarly, for Ann Boyd, the document will show what was owing, who the executors were, etc. These documents can be viewed at the Historic Search Rooms of NRS, or can be downloaded for 10 credits each at ScotlandsPeople. Best, Jenny PS I attempted to post about this last night but my post seemed to not get through... so trying again. On 30/06/2018 06:22, John wrote: > Mike, > > Kilmarnock is not now and never was a Royal Burgh.  It was a 'Burgh of > Barony', with fewer powers & privileges, until 1832, when municipal > government was set up on a new basis of elected parliamentary burghs. > The only Royal Burghs in Ayrshire in 1793 were Ayr and Irvine.

Mike, Kilmarnock is not now and never was a Royal Burgh.  It was a 'Burgh of Barony', with fewer powers & privileges, until 1832, when municipal government was set up on a new basis of elected parliamentary burghs. The only Royal Burghs in Ayrshire in 1793 were Ayr and Irvine. James Wilson was not a "senior merchant", whatever that might mean; there's a comma between the words. James Wilson, Sr., was a Kilmarnock merchant, simply that. As for the meaning of "sometime wife", I think it's highly unlikely to refer to marital difficulties. If you download the testament on the scotlandspeople site - it's there, at the cost of 10 credits (i.e. £2.50) - you should be able to determine whether it's a reference to her own decease, or to her husband having died before her.  Since neither of their names appears in Ayrshire burial/mortality records of the time, you can only figure that out by reading the testament itself.  Archibald McKay's /History of Kilmarnock /lists James Wilson as a one of the baillies of Kilmarnock, intermittently from 1760 to 1785, but not thereafter, which may indicate that he predeceased his wife. John On 6/29/2018 6:36 PM, Mike Boyd wrote: > The family of Margaret Boyd, of Pitcon, and Baillie James Wilson, senior merchant in Kilmarnock. > > > > One of the four daughters of Thomas Boyd and Jean Cuninghame, eldest daughter of John and Margaret (nee Muir) Cunninghame of Caddel, was Margaret Boyd who married Baillie James Wilson, senior merchant in Kilmarnock. > > > > In the book Scottish Records Society. The Commissariot Records of Glasgow. Register of Testaments, 1547 – 1800. Ed Francis J. Grant, 1901, page 55, it said that - > > > > “Boyd Margaret, daughter of Thomas Boyd, of Pitcon, sometime wife of Bailie James Wilson, senior, merchant in Kilmarnock 9 Oct. 1793” > > > > Hear I assume that the date that her Testament was heard in Court was “9 Oct. 1793” and that Margaret has died before then. > > > > However, it is the words “sometime wife of Bailie James Wilson”, that puzzle me. Does this expression mean they were divorced – I do not think so, as that term would have been used – or does it mean that were living apart at the time of her death? > > > > It would appear that this James Wilson was an “officer” of the Royal Borough of Kilmarnock – being termed a “bailie”. > > > > Does anyone one know if Margaret and James had any children, if so, what were their names and date of birth? And is anyone researching this family. (Through Margaret’s Boyd family, this can be trace through the Laird’s of Pitcon to the Lord Boyd’s and their feudal predecessors to the 1100’s.) > > > > Thank you > > > > Mike Boyd > > > > Chairman > > Historical Committee, HBS > > [# 59] > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

The family of Ann Boyd, of Pitcon, and John Gemmell, merchant in Irvine. One of the four daughters of Thomas Boyd and Jean Cuninghame, was Ann Boyd who married John Gemmill, merchant in Irvine. In the book Scottish Records Society. The Commissariot Records of Glasgow. Register of Testaments, 1547 – 1800. Ed Francis J. Grant, 1901, page 55, it said that - “Boyd Ann, daughter of the deceased Thomas Boyd, of Pitcon 9 Oct. 1793” This date of 9 October 1793 is the same day that her sister Margaret Boyd, wife of Bailie James Wilson appeared before the Testament Court. Does anyone know when Ann Boyd married John Gemmill and did they have any children? From other data it is thought that Ann Boyd was born about 1720’s or 1730’s, so could have married in the 1740’s or 1750’s I would like to get in touch with any Gemmill researchers who might be researching this family, so I can build their descendants to the current time. And to see if this Gemmill family might know the names of her brothers. It would also be interesting to know if this Gemmill family migrated after 1793, if so, to where? And might they have followed any of the Pitcon Boyd family to that same place. Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS [# 58]

The family of Margaret Boyd, of Pitcon, and Baillie James Wilson, senior merchant in Kilmarnock. One of the four daughters of Thomas Boyd and Jean Cuninghame, eldest daughter of John and Margaret (nee Muir) Cunninghame of Caddel, was Margaret Boyd who married Baillie James Wilson, senior merchant in Kilmarnock. In the book Scottish Records Society. The Commissariot Records of Glasgow. Register of Testaments, 1547 – 1800. Ed Francis J. Grant, 1901, page 55, it said that - “Boyd Margaret, daughter of Thomas Boyd, of Pitcon, sometime wife of Bailie James Wilson, senior, merchant in Kilmarnock 9 Oct. 1793” Hear I assume that the date that her Testament was heard in Court was “9 Oct. 1793” and that Margaret has died before then. However, it is the words “sometime wife of Bailie James Wilson”, that puzzle me. Does this expression mean they were divorced – I do not think so, as that term would have been used – or does it mean that were living apart at the time of her death? It would appear that this James Wilson was an “officer” of the Royal Borough of Kilmarnock – being termed a “bailie”. Does anyone one know if Margaret and James had any children, if so, what were their names and date of birth? And is anyone researching this family. (Through Margaret’s Boyd family, this can be trace through the Laird’s of Pitcon to the Lord Boyd’s and their feudal predecessors to the 1100’s.) Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS [# 59]

The family of the last Boyd Laird of Pitcon – Thomas Boyd and Jean Cuningham. For the last Boyd of Pitcon – Thomas Boyd (170x – 17xx) and Jean Cuningham - it says in History of the Counties of Ayr and Wigton, Vol. III - Cunninghame, Part 1, James Paterson, 1866, p 189, says "was retoured heir to his father Robert in that Property. He was appointed Bailie in that part by the Right Hon. Patrick, Viscount of Garnock &., in 1730. In 1734 he had part of Dargarvan from Lord Eglintoun. In 1770, he sold Pitcon to George Macrae, merchant in Ayr, and through different steps of alienation, it became the property of Alexander Alison of Lintseedridge. Thomas, the last of the Boyds of Pitcon, was Comptroller of the Customs in Irvine. He left four daughters, three of whom were married and had issue; also sons, of whom none, so far as known, were ever married. None of the family remain in Ayrshire." However, James Paterson in 1866, does not name the four daughters or the sons. Whom, I understand from other sources were four in number. So, what were the names of these eight children? In the book Scottish Records Society. The Commissariot Records of Glasgow. Register of Testaments, 1547 – 1800. Ed Francis J. Grant, 1901. (From the website www.electricscotland.com/history/records/scottishrecordso07scotuoft.pdf) It provides these between page 52 to 57 and page 301 BOYD „ Ann, daughter of the deceased Thomas Boyd, of Pitcon 9 Oct. 1793 „ John, lawful son of the deceased Thomas Boyd, of Pitcon 28 Apr. 1774 „ Jean. See M'Credie, Andrew, of Pearston. „ Margaret, daughter of Thomas Boyd, of Pitcon, sometime wife of Bailie James Wilson, senior, merchant in Kilmarnock 9 Oct. 1793 “ Thomas, elder, of Pitcon, son of Isobel Henderson (one of the two daughters of Laurence Henderson, merchant in Edinburgh), and Bryce Boyd, of Pitcon, and grandfather of Margaret Boyd, wife of James Wilson, merchant in Kilmarnock, and Ann Boyd, wife of John Gemmill, merchant in Irvine, daughter of Thomas Boyd, of Pitcon, and which Thomas Boyd, elder, of Pitcon, was grandfather of William M'Creadie, of Pearston 12 Feb 1783 Page 301 M'Credie, Andrew, late of Pearston, and Jean Boyd, spouse, and daughter of Thomas Boyd, elder of Pitcon, father and mother of William M'Credie, of Pearston 12 Feb. 1783 This would “appear” to provide us with the names of three of the daughters – Ann, wife of John Gemmell, merchant of Irvine; Margaret, wife of Bailie James Wilson, senior merchant in Kilmarnock and Jean, wife of Andrew M’Creadie of Pearston. While this source provides the name of two of his sons – John and Thomas [younger]. But from this list, I can’t see any entry that might be this Thomas Boyd, younger. While from the 1994 IGI for the UK, I could only find two children listed in a private family tree - From the 1994 IGI for the UK:- John BOYD (M).................. C: 22 Jan 1723 B: 30 Nov 1974 IFALL Ba: 7411308 53 Father: Thomas BOYD Irvine, Ayr, Scotland E: 7 Mar 1975 IFALL So: 934229 Mother: Jean CUNNINGHAME SP: 13 Mar 1975 IFALL Janet BOYD (F)................. C: 11 Apir 1725 B: 29 Nov 1974 IFALL Ba: 7411308 71 Father: Thomas BOYD Irvine, Ayr, Scotland E: 6 Dec 1974 IFALL So: 934229 Mother: Jean CUNNINGHAME SP: 2 Jan 1975 IFALL In the 1981 IGI for Scotland there is an entry for the birth of a Thomas Boyd Thomas Boyd, parents Thomas Boyd and Jane Cunningham, Bapt. 24 Oct 1721, at Irvine, Batch number 7411308, serial # 43. There was no marriage in the IGI for this Thomas Boyd and Jane Cunningham. Hear, I am also assuming that Jean and Jane Cunningham are the same people. So, this provide the names of two of Thomas’s son – Thomas bc 1721 and John bc 1723 – but not the other two sons. It would also indicate that Thomas and Jean were married about 1719 or 1720 – most likely in Ayrshire, either in Dalry or Caddel. Does anyone know the names of the other two sons and if any of the four sons might have married or not? I would also assume that all four of these sons had long moved out of Pitcon before 1770 when their father sold it. So, might they have gone to Irvine, Ayrshire or to Glasgow or even to Edinburgh to find work. Secondly, has anyone searched the Beith or Dalry Churchyard records to see if any of children and parents are buried there? Although, as Thomas Boyd was the Comptroller of the Customs in Irvine, he and his wife could be buried there. In about 2010, I did go through the records of the Parish Church at Irvine but can’t recall any have a link to Pitcon (but it may be worth checking). It would appear form the Testament entry for John Boyd that his father has died before 28 April 1774 and after 1770 when he sold Pitcon. So, has anyone seen any Thomas Boyd graves in Ayrshire between this period? Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS

Mike A quick search on ScotlandsPeople (SP) using Bankhead, and date range 1650-1750, reveals that Jonet Bankhead did not leave a will, as the testament is a Testament Dative, without an Inventory, thus the equivalent of a modern day "Administration of Effects" SP does also confirm the parish is Kilmaurs. Using SP and the same volume of the SRS Glasgow Testaments that you are using, there is no recorded TT of TD for James Boyd in Busbie, I note also that there is a TD (without an inventory) for a "John Boyd in Busbie", dated 4 July 1678, but no mention of a spouse. This entry is on SP and in the SRO volume of Testaments for Glasgow. Louise Gibson Burnie Tasmania in OZ On 28/06/2018 10:37 AM, ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 08:21:40 +1000 > From: Mike Boyd<mikejboyd@bigpond.com> > Subject: [AYR] The family of James Boyd and Jonet Bankhead of Busbie, > in Kilmaurs Parish, Ayrshire in 1666. > > > The family of James Boyd and Jonet Bankhead of Busbie, in Kilmaurs Parish, Ayrshire in 1666. > In the websitewww.electricscotland.com/history/records/scottishrecordso07scotuoft.pdf, it outlines the book Scottish Record Society, The Commissariot Record of Glasgow. Register of Testaments, 1547 – 1800, ed Francis J. Grant, 1901, page 31 > “Bankhead, Jonet, spouse to James Boyd, in Busbie, par. of Kilmaris* 18 May 1666” > (*) I assume Kilmaris is the modern parish of Kilmaurs. > This is the first time, that I can recall, of seeing a Boyd family given at this location of Busbie. > This would place, Busbie about four kms west of Kilmarnock, but in what I estimate would have been the Cunningham Lands. And it is about one km NW of Crosshouse. > By the term “in” normally means that this James Boyd was living on this Estate of Busbie but did not own or lease it. It would also suggest that as his wife – Jonet Bankhead – has had a Testament before the Court on 18 May 1666, that she and James had “some wealth”. But this record does not indicate how much wealth they had. You will need to go to the Court records to find this out. > This record tells us that Jonet Bankhead has died prior to 18 May 1666 and that James was still living at that time. Unfortunately, it does not tell us anything more about their family. > If this is your family, I would like to hear from you please to find out their migration path and their known descendants. > Mike Boyd

Hi, Mike, and Bruce Thank you for your advice. Sara married a John Davidson then along with their family they came to Victoria ,Australia aboard the Ship Glen Huntly. Sara died here and there isn't anything on her death Certificate that gives me any more information. Well I will just keep on searching for this elusive Ancestor of mine. Regards Carol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Mike - not sure if this might help: http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/osa/kilmaurs.htm. Regards, Debbie Rea On 27 June 2018 at 23:21, Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: > The family of James Boyd and Jonet Bankhead of Busbie, in Kilmaurs Parish, > Ayrshire in 1666. > > > > In the website www.electricscotland.com/history/records/ > scottishrecordso07scotuoft.pdf, it outlines the book Scottish Record > Society, The Commissariot Record of Glasgow. Register of Testaments, 1547 > – 1800, ed Francis J. Grant, 1901, page 31 > > > > “Bankhead, Jonet, spouse to James Boyd, in Busbie, par. of Kilmaris* 18 > May 1666” > > > > (*) I assume Kilmaris is the modern parish of Kilmaurs. > > > > This is the first time, that I can recall, of seeing a Boyd family given > at this location of Busbie. > > > > This would place, Busbie about four kms west of Kilmarnock, but in what I > estimate would have been the Cunningham Lands. And it is about one km NW > of Crosshouse. > > > > By the term “in” normally means that this James Boyd was living on this > Estate of Busbie but did not own or lease it. It would also suggest that > as his wife – Jonet Bankhead – has had a Testament before the Court on 18 > May 1666, that she and James had “some wealth”. But this record does not > indicate how much wealth they had. You will need to go to the Court > records to find this out. > > > > This record tells us that Jonet Bankhead has died prior to 18 May 1666 and > that James was still living at that time. Unfortunately, it does not tell > us anything more about their family. > > > > If this is your family, I would like to hear from you please to find out > their migration path and their known descendants. > > > > Mike Boyd > > Chairman > > Historical Committee, HBS > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > ayrshire@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea