*Millar / Loudon -Dundonald, Riccarton (Ian Miller)* You might want to try the spelling LOWDOUN - I have these in my tree, all from Kilmarnock, Ayr. On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:03 AM, <ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Send AYRSHIRE mailing list submissions to > ayrshire@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ayrshire-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AYRSHIRE digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Millar / Loudon -Dundonald, Riccarton (Ian Miller) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 00:51:47 +0000 > From: Ian Miller <outlook_A02B291CB09983F2@outlook.com> > Subject: [AYR] Re: Millar / Loudon -Dundonald, Riccarton > To: "ayrshire@rootsweb.com" <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <SY3PR01MB1307EF71ABE6AFABD0EAFFEABF520@SY3PR01MB1307.ausp > rd01.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > Meg, > I believe may be my Margaret Loudon. However born 1803 in Greenock. M 15 > Jun 1824 in Dundonald. D 11 Oct 1874 Kilmarnock. > > Ian M. > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to > %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list -- ayrshire@rootsweb.com, > send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 13, Issue 96 > **************************************** >

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 Meg, I believe may be my Margaret Loudon. However born 1803 in Greenock. M 15 Jun 1824 in Dundonald. D 11 Oct 1874 Kilmarnock. Ian M.

Thanks Kay. I have sought help from all three. Murray -----Original Message----- From: Kay Williams <williams_kay@outlook.com> Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2018 6:42 PM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Re: Craig mill Hi Murray and friends, This might lead you to some useful resources: https://millsarchive.org/explore/resources There's an historical journal: https://www.gla.ac.uk/myglasgow/archives/bacs/publicationsscottishbusinessandindustrialhistory/scottishbusinessandindustrialhistory/ Plus this society: http://www.sihs.co.uk/ Happy hunting, Kay Edinburgh Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday 3 July, 23:24 Subject: AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 13, Issue 91 To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Send AYRSHIRE mailing list submissions to ayrshire@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ayrshire-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AYRSHIRE digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway (Murray Reid) 2. Re: Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway (Mike Boyd) 3. Re: Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway (Deborah Rea) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:07:01 +1200 From: "Murray Reid" Subject: [AYR] Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway To: Cc: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My ancestor Thomas (1667-1733) is buried in Alloway Auld Kirk and his headstone describes him as "Dyster of Craig Mill" After some years of research this map http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16 ⪫=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b=1 clearly shows the site of the mill on the banks of the river Doon just upstream from Alloway. Recently a 4th cousin has confirmed that foundations of the mill can still be seen. Just upstream is a weir that I suspect was the source of controlled water for the mill. I will be in Scotland in late September and intend to visit the site. I would appreciate help to research the history of this particular mill, which probably dates form the late 1600's and fulling/dying mills in general. For example, was a fulling mill also a dying mill or could the operations be separate entities? As a Dyster would Thomas manufacture his own dyes? Would the dyes be organic in nature only or would they have also been manufactured from minerals. If the latter would the mill possibly have been similar to one used to grind grain? I would also appreciate any links that may enable me to do my own research. Thanks Murray Reid NZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 08:19:33 +1000 From: Mike Boyd Subject: [AYR] Re: Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Murray Have you contacted the Carnegie Library in Ayr town about this Mill and its history, etc Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Murray Reid Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 8:07 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Cc: mhhr@xtra.co.nz Subject: [AYR] Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway My ancestor Thomas (1667-1733) is buried in Alloway Auld Kirk and his headstone describes him as "Dyster of Craig Mill" After some years of research this map http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16 ⪫=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b=1 clearly shows the site of the mill on the banks of the river Doon just upstream from Alloway. Recently a 4th cousin has confirmed that foundations of the mill can still be seen. Just upstream is a weir that I suspect was the source of controlled water for the mill. I will be in Scotland in late September and intend to visit the site. I would appreciate help to research the history of this particular mill, which probably dates form the late 1600's and fulling/dying mills in general. For example, was a fulling mill also a dying mill or could the operations be separate entities? As a Dyster would Thomas manufacture his own dyes? Would the dyes be organic in nature only or would they have also been manufactured from minerals. If the latter would the mill possibly have been similar to one used to grind grain? I would also appreciate any links that may enable me to do my own research. Thanks Murray Reid NZ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 23:23:24 +0100 From: Deborah Rea Subject: [AYR] Re: Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway To: "AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com" Cc: mhhr Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I might be joining you in Scotland Murray. Regards, Debbie Rea On 3 July 2018 at 23:07, Murray Reid wrote: > My ancestor Thomas (1667-1733) is buried in Alloway Auld Kirk and his > headstone describes him as "Dyster of Craig Mill" > > After some years of research this map > http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16 > lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b= > 1> ⪫=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b=1 clearly shows the site of the > mill > on the banks of the river Doon just upstream from Alloway. > > Recently a 4th cousin has confirmed that foundations of the mill can still > be seen. > > Just upstream is a weir that I suspect was the source of controlled water > for the mill. > > I will be in Scotland in late September and intend to visit the site. > > I would appreciate help to research the history of this particular mill, > which probably dates form the late 1600's and fulling/dying mills in > general. > > For example, was a fulling mill also a dying mill or could the operations > be > separate entities? > > As a Dyster would Thomas manufacture his own dyes? Would the dyes be > organic > in nature only or would they have also been manufactured from minerals. If > the latter would the mill possibly have been similar to one used to grind > grain? > > I would also appreciate any links that may enable me to do my own research. > > Thanks > > Murray Reid > > NZ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Who is Culbert Boyd in the 1630 Muster Roll in County Down in THE LORD BISHOP OF DOWN (ROBERT ECHLIN) HIS TENANT'S & MR PATRICK SAVAGE & MR ROWLAND SAVAGE: THEIR TENANTS, THEIR NAMES AND ARMS In the 1630 Muster Roll for County Down listed under THE LORD BISHOP OF DOWN (ROBERT ECHLIN) HIS TENANT'S & MR PATRICK SAVAGE & MR ROWLAND SAVAGE: THEIR TENANTS, THEIR NAMES AND ARMS is - “Sword and Musket No. 56. Alexander Stewart Sword and Snaphance (Snaphance is a type of gun) No. 57. Culbert Boyd” This land is on the Ards Peninsula in County Down and likely to be the area from Kircubbin to Portabferry. Unfortunately, it does not list the townland that this Culbert Boyd was living on to identify his family or what Boyd Branch he might come from. This is the first time that I have seen the name Culbert Boyd occur and the name does not seem to occur in the International Genealogical Index either, certainly not in the 1994 IGI for the UK. So, this is an unusual Boyd name. While having a “Sword and Snaphance” may suggest that this Culbert Boyd had some wealth. So, does this mean that he has “leased” land from Robert Echlin, the Lord Bishop of Down? Mike Boyd would estimate that this Culbert Boyd was born prior to 1600, most likely in Scotland. He could come form the same part of Scotland that Robert Echlin came from in Scotland – where ever that might be. I have not come across any will for this Culbert Boyd at PRONI, nor is he listed in any of the known grave inscriptions that are available for the Ards Peninsula. So that does not help to determine where he was located. There was a Gawin Boyd of Rureagh (Rowreagh), which is a few kms SE of Kircubbin, who died on 23 March 1692 and left a will. The will was proved 30th October 1693. He left to his underage, unnamed, children and to his widow Marion Boyd. PRONI Ref T/403 p.8; D/1759/3B/1 p.9. But until we can find out where Culbert Boyd was living, it is hard to determine if there is any relationship between Gawin and Culbert Boyd. On the present evidence this Culbert Boyd would “appear” to be either one or two generations before Gawin Boyd, but no other linkage can be made at this time. This Alexander Stewart might be the same person that married a daughter of the Boyds of Glastry, but additional evidence will be required to prove this? If you stem from this Culbert Boyd of 1630 in either County Down or in Scotland, I would like to hear from you please Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS

Ruth Your reply will help other Montgomery researchers but unfortunately it doe not help find the four brothers that settled in Ballymena. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns@shaw.ca Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:15 AM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Re: 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 OK, just trying to be helpful! R -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:38 PM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Re: 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 Ruth Your family is nearly 200 years later. Carmoney, I think is just a few miles north of Belfast, but after that period her family might have come from Ballymena, but it is hard to determine. There are a "number" of Irish Montgomery's and they settled in a number of Counties. The first Lord Montgomery married the first Lord Boyd's aunty, so making many of the Montgomery Cadet Branches cousins to the Boyds. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns@shaw.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:52 PM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Re: 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 Got a relative, Hannah Montgpmery, b 1799, Car money, Antrim. Married in Donegore , Antim to an Allison aka Ellison. . Just a wild response. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:50 PM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 I have just got home from my monthly Genealogical Society meeting and the lady next to me said that she came from one of four Montgomery brothers – Hugh, Alexander, and the other two are thought to be George and William. Doe anyone know of any Montgomeries that went to Ballymena as part of this Plantation and what Cadet Branch of the Montgomeries might they belong to? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=_11QzQDmsHE0sGoTx-jpSe8bXpEv97A_GXD3YkTLAtk&s=DS9bi9ld8lmmTqKonMJv_geToXPJv7xbFIw35UXic1s&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=_11QzQDmsHE0sGoTx-jpSe8bXpEv97A_GXD3YkTLAtk&s=A4LWQr8BN0_kt1fiESVVSmWPiA5me461KJIzRBIpvcI&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=_11QzQDmsHE0sGoTx-jpSe8bXpEv97A_GXD3YkTLAtk&s=D_OjbftgwQP7n809wnRo5UjvEEoX1ZXVSBBvHq9dJl8&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=_11QzQDmsHE0sGoTx-jpSe8bXpEv97A_GXD3YkTLAtk&s=tnC9tAyZjoHLrbFJ-apzW2uKVZLCy0SuhvoNLUZPO5M&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=d3_Hn4kCMIEDrc3nA2PXQzJ6KAAUCI_JoBGFK4x_rjc&s=dKpwMSgtaCKILW_DzeknJIAuSoIZs1PxDmX_HQ00oNQ&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=d3_Hn4kCMIEDrc3nA2PXQzJ6KAAUCI_JoBGFK4x_rjc&s=rS1eOAeQTy2jGI5So36beFpd4ef_Vc-HdlMluVeRaSw&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=d3_Hn4kCMIEDrc3nA2PXQzJ6KAAUCI_JoBGFK4x_rjc&s=tL2XA-owkceDeG0njHm8hOP9IpzTISBt5a0KcYjWtdk&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=d3_Hn4kCMIEDrc3nA2PXQzJ6KAAUCI_JoBGFK4x_rjc&s=tINqW4LVSBCE14H0jTaWYjbOK6EtqR9ghrIpHSs0SKc&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have just sent this message to the Boyd list, but as you can see, while it is known “how” Sir Thomas Boyd’s Ulster Plantation Grant was divided up, it is not known to whom these 13 “blocks” of land were “granted” to. Nor might it be “assumed” from where in Scotland these families might have come from. This Estate was based on Sion Mills, about 5 or 6 kms South of Strabane, County Tyrone. As best that I know, Sir Thomas sold his Estate to his brother-in-law, James Hamilton, Earl of Abercorn in 1613 and returned to Scotland. So did any Ayrshire families take up land in this part of County Tyrone? Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. From: Mike Boyd Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 8:34 AM To: boyd@rootsweb.com Subject: Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay's Lands in County Tyrone According to An Historical Account of the Plantation in Ulster at the Commencement of the Seventeenth Century, 1608-1620, George Hill, 1877, pages 529-530, Sir Thomas Boyd, of Bedlay, (second son of the 6th Lord Boyd, Thomas Boyd), listed these lands in County Tyrone as – “CXXV. 1,500 Acres Sir Thomas Boyd (226) was the first Patentee. The Earl of Abercorn hath 1,500 acres, called Shean. Upon this there is a large Bawne of Lime and Stone, 80 feet square, with four Flankers but as yet is not thoroughly finished. There is a large strong Castle begun, and they tell me it shall be finished this summer. I find planted and estated upon this land, of British Tenants, [1] Freeholders , 3, viz, 3 having 120 acres le piece. Lessees for years, 10 viz, 2 having 240 acres. 2 having 120 acres le piece. 4 having 60 acres le piece. 2 having 30 acres le piece. In toto 13 families, who, with their undertenants, are able to make 100 armed men.” Unfortunately Rev Hill does not list who were the people that took up these 13 lots of land under Sir Thomas Boyd in 1610 and held them after 1613, when Sir Thomas sold his Estate at Shean to brother-in-law, James Hamilton, Earl of Abercorn. You would expect that “some” of these 13 land holdings to have been Boyd families, but no one seems to know how many. Nor does anyone know, from where these Boyd families might have come from in Scotland. Sir Thomas Boyd came from East Dunbartonshire. So some of these Boyds may have come form there through Falkirk and even towards Edinburgh. Or they may have come from Ayrshire, Lanarkshire or Renfrewshire just as easily. However, it is known that there were plenty of Boyds in both East and West Tyrone. Suggesting that Sir Thomas Boyd’s migration was not the only migration of Boyds to County Tyrone during the Ulster Plantation of 1610, or even later. So does your Boyd family come form County Tyrone? If so, please tell the list. Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS

OK, just trying to be helpful! R -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:38 PM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Re: 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 Ruth Your family is nearly 200 years later. Carmoney, I think is just a few miles north of Belfast, but after that period her family might have come from Ballymena, but it is hard to determine. There are a "number" of Irish Montgomery's and they settled in a number of Counties. The first Lord Montgomery married the first Lord Boyd's aunty, so making many of the Montgomery Cadet Branches cousins to the Boyds. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns@shaw.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:52 PM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Re: 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 Got a relative, Hannah Montgpmery, b 1799, Car money, Antrim. Married in Donegore , Antim to an Allison aka Ellison. . Just a wild response. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:50 PM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 I have just got home from my monthly Genealogical Society meeting and the lady next to me said that she came from one of four Montgomery brothers – Hugh, Alexander, and the other two are thought to be George and William. Doe anyone know of any Montgomeries that went to Ballymena as part of this Plantation and what Cadet Branch of the Montgomeries might they belong to? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=_11QzQDmsHE0sGoTx-jpSe8bXpEv97A_GXD3YkTLAtk&s=DS9bi9ld8lmmTqKonMJv_geToXPJv7xbFIw35UXic1s&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=_11QzQDmsHE0sGoTx-jpSe8bXpEv97A_GXD3YkTLAtk&s=A4LWQr8BN0_kt1fiESVVSmWPiA5me461KJIzRBIpvcI&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=_11QzQDmsHE0sGoTx-jpSe8bXpEv97A_GXD3YkTLAtk&s=D_OjbftgwQP7n809wnRo5UjvEEoX1ZXVSBBvHq9dJl8&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=_11QzQDmsHE0sGoTx-jpSe8bXpEv97A_GXD3YkTLAtk&s=tnC9tAyZjoHLrbFJ-apzW2uKVZLCy0SuhvoNLUZPO5M&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Kathryn Thank you for this advise. Hugh Montgomery was the 6th Laird of Bradestane, and settled about a third of County Down. I think that George Montgomery, Bishop of Derry was his younger brother (but I will have to check some of the data if have on that family). The Montgomeries that I am after were said to have settled in Ballymena, County Antrim (and I assume come from a different Cadet Branch of the Montgomeries). Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn Stevenson Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:51 AM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Four Montgomery Brothers In Jonathan Bardon's book, "A History of Ulster" there are four Montgomery's mentioned. The first is George Montgomery, a Bishop of Derry, Clogher,and Raphoe; Hugh Montgomery, Laird of Bradestane, and later 1st Viscount of the Ards; a Hugh de Fellenberg Montgomery; and a William Montgomery. I hope this helps. I would suggest the find the book in a library, to read more about the Montgomery's and their lives in Ulster. Kathy Stevenson Ontario, Canada _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=7XL_0tyHaWz-QOSrji4nsYB3_-Rsr1DiOA6uKs5WDJc&s=EfwlrWumCPoKaGcvFInSUICjZl9KK3vfCLYZWK8KY4Q&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=7XL_0tyHaWz-QOSrji4nsYB3_-Rsr1DiOA6uKs5WDJc&s=e4EastqpsUyMrdDKFGJoyfQPgRPlm1y2e2hlRoROH5k&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=7XL_0tyHaWz-QOSrji4nsYB3_-Rsr1DiOA6uKs5WDJc&s=JODPGKdiCiA8JZSmUymfeT2Eidr3b8hYe_eajuR2OSE&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=7XL_0tyHaWz-QOSrji4nsYB3_-Rsr1DiOA6uKs5WDJc&s=8p0ZOJr2vwqCCZw12n9bRPuTUylGgMeywFvd-zvioag&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Ruth Your family is nearly 200 years later. Carmoney, I think is just a few miles north of Belfast, but after that period her family might have come from Ballymena, but it is hard to determine. There are a "number" of Irish Montgomery's and they settled in a number of Counties. The first Lord Montgomery married the first Lord Boyd's aunty, so making many of the Montgomery Cadet Branches cousins to the Boyds. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: ruth.enns@shaw.ca Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:52 PM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Re: 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 Got a relative, Hannah Montgpmery, b 1799, Car money, Antrim. Married in Donegore , Antim to an Allison aka Ellison. . Just a wild response. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:50 PM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 I have just got home from my monthly Genealogical Society meeting and the lady next to me said that she came from one of four Montgomery brothers – Hugh, Alexander, and the other two are thought to be George and William. Doe anyone know of any Montgomeries that went to Ballymena as part of this Plantation and what Cadet Branch of the Montgomeries might they belong to? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

In Jonathan Bardon's book, "A History of Ulster" there are four Montgomery's mentioned. The first is George Montgomery, a Bishop of Derry, Clogher,and Raphoe; Hugh Montgomery, Laird of Bradestane, and later 1st Viscount of the Ards; a Hugh de Fellenberg Montgomery; and a William Montgomery. I hope this helps. I would suggest the find the book in a library, to read more about the Montgomery's and their lives in Ulster. Kathy Stevenson Ontario, Canada

Got a relative, Hannah Montgpmery, b 1799, Car money, Antrim. Married in Donegore , Antim to an Allison aka Ellison. . Just a wild response. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:50 PM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com ; irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] 4 Montgomery brothers to Ballymena in the Plantation of Ulster in 1609 I have just got home from my monthly Genealogical Society meeting and the lady next to me said that she came from one of four Montgomery brothers – Hugh, Alexander, and the other two are thought to be George and William. Doe anyone know of any Montgomeries that went to Ballymena as part of this Plantation and what Cadet Branch of the Montgomeries might they belong to? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=igm6cWj0lhEG7MCuf4rDdJ-Rone-njbdPpktRL6n8uY&s=EnMS8Y0gDlHIOV2GW0XD-zL20YSIf2-50lYSBxV_1Nw&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=igm6cWj0lhEG7MCuf4rDdJ-Rone-njbdPpktRL6n8uY&s=7gr8po1fcuIe8h3aveY0_gybHC-Ott1_BGG3jKvHcJM&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=igm6cWj0lhEG7MCuf4rDdJ-Rone-njbdPpktRL6n8uY&s=2PW_hltLB7TNwNXs9JXihZjxKLby2OWB3HNGut83uqc&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=s5xK7ELKNd7KGtt7vYMJnRxn4W6Uq6VFZPGtQ70kG2w&m=igm6cWj0lhEG7MCuf4rDdJ-Rone-njbdPpktRL6n8uY&s=CKDr-tHblCSUcYIZYsvLHQJlu0d9GPkVXtVf9qxAI2M&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have just got home from my monthly Genealogical Society meeting and the lady next to me said that she came from one of four Montgomery brothers – Hugh, Alexander, and the other two are thought to be George and William. Doe anyone know of any Montgomeries that went to Ballymena as part of this Plantation and what Cadet Branch of the Montgomeries might they belong to? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

Hi Murray and friends, This might lead you to some useful resources: https://millsarchive.org/explore/resources There's an historical journal: https://www.gla.ac.uk/myglasgow/archives/bacs/publicationsscottishbusinessandindustrialhistory/scottishbusinessandindustrialhistory/ Plus this society: http://www.sihs.co.uk/ Happy hunting, Kay Edinburgh Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday 3 July, 23:24 Subject: AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 13, Issue 91 To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Send AYRSHIRE mailing list submissions to ayrshire@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ayrshire-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ayrshire-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AYRSHIRE digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway (Murray Reid) 2. Re: Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway (Mike Boyd) 3. Re: Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway (Deborah Rea) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:07:01 +1200 From: "Murray Reid" Subject: [AYR] Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway To: Cc: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My ancestor Thomas (1667-1733) is buried in Alloway Auld Kirk and his headstone describes him as "Dyster of Craig Mill" After some years of research this map http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16 ⪫=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b=1 clearly shows the site of the mill on the banks of the river Doon just upstream from Alloway. Recently a 4th cousin has confirmed that foundations of the mill can still be seen. Just upstream is a weir that I suspect was the source of controlled water for the mill. I will be in Scotland in late September and intend to visit the site. I would appreciate help to research the history of this particular mill, which probably dates form the late 1600's and fulling/dying mills in general. For example, was a fulling mill also a dying mill or could the operations be separate entities? As a Dyster would Thomas manufacture his own dyes? Would the dyes be organic in nature only or would they have also been manufactured from minerals. If the latter would the mill possibly have been similar to one used to grind grain? I would also appreciate any links that may enable me to do my own research. Thanks Murray Reid NZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 08:19:33 +1000 From: Mike Boyd Subject: [AYR] Re: Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Murray Have you contacted the Carnegie Library in Ayr town about this Mill and its history, etc Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Murray Reid Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 8:07 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Cc: mhhr@xtra.co.nz Subject: [AYR] Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway My ancestor Thomas (1667-1733) is buried in Alloway Auld Kirk and his headstone describes him as "Dyster of Craig Mill" After some years of research this map http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16 ⪫=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b=1 clearly shows the site of the mill on the banks of the river Doon just upstream from Alloway. Recently a 4th cousin has confirmed that foundations of the mill can still be seen. Just upstream is a weir that I suspect was the source of controlled water for the mill. I will be in Scotland in late September and intend to visit the site. I would appreciate help to research the history of this particular mill, which probably dates form the late 1600's and fulling/dying mills in general. For example, was a fulling mill also a dying mill or could the operations be separate entities? As a Dyster would Thomas manufacture his own dyes? Would the dyes be organic in nature only or would they have also been manufactured from minerals. If the latter would the mill possibly have been similar to one used to grind grain? I would also appreciate any links that may enable me to do my own research. Thanks Murray Reid NZ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 23:23:24 +0100 From: Deborah Rea Subject: [AYR] Re: Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway To: "AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com" Cc: mhhr Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I might be joining you in Scotland Murray. Regards, Debbie Rea On 3 July 2018 at 23:07, Murray Reid wrote: > My ancestor Thomas (1667-1733) is buried in Alloway Auld Kirk and his > headstone describes him as "Dyster of Craig Mill" > > After some years of research this map > http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16 > lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b= > 1> ⪫=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b=1 clearly shows the site of the > mill > on the banks of the river Doon just upstream from Alloway. > > Recently a 4th cousin has confirmed that foundations of the mill can still > be seen. > > Just upstream is a weir that I suspect was the source of controlled water > for the mill. > > I will be in Scotland in late September and intend to visit the site. > > I would appreciate help to research the history of this particular mill, > which probably dates form the late 1600's and fulling/dying mills in > general. > > For example, was a fulling mill also a dying mill or could the operations > be > separate entities? > > As a Dyster would Thomas manufacture his own dyes? Would the dyes be > organic > in nature only or would they have also been manufactured from minerals. If > the latter would the mill possibly have been similar to one used to grind > grain? > > I would also appreciate any links that may enable me to do my own research. > > Thanks > > Murray Reid > > NZ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Sounds interesting Murray. Cheers Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Murray Reid" <mhhr@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 2:55 PM To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Subject: [AYR] Thomas Reid. Alloway Headstone. > Further to my earlier query concerning Thomas and Craig Mill. > > The reverse of the Thomas Reid headstone, which dates from 1733, is > entirely > covered in carving that is similar to what I would describe as a Masonic > symbols. > > The wool dying industry was very specialised and science based so I wonder > if there was Guild to represent Dysters and if so is the reverse of the > headstone a Guild symbol? > > Any ideas please. > > > > Murray Reid > > NZ > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Further to my earlier query concerning Thomas and Craig Mill. The reverse of the Thomas Reid headstone, which dates from 1733, is entirely covered in carving that is similar to what I would describe as a Masonic symbols. The wool dying industry was very specialised and science based so I wonder if there was Guild to represent Dysters and if so is the reverse of the headstone a Guild symbol? Any ideas please. Murray Reid NZ

I might be joining you in Scotland Murray. Regards, Debbie Rea On 3 July 2018 at 23:07, Murray Reid <mhhr@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > My ancestor Thomas (1667-1733) is buried in Alloway Auld Kirk and his > headstone describes him as "Dyster of Craig Mill" > > After some years of research this map > http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16 > <http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.4226& > lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b= > 1> &lat=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b=1 clearly shows the site of the > mill > on the banks of the river Doon just upstream from Alloway. > > Recently a 4th cousin has confirmed that foundations of the mill can still > be seen. > > Just upstream is a weir that I suspect was the source of controlled water > for the mill. > > I will be in Scotland in late September and intend to visit the site. > > I would appreciate help to research the history of this particular mill, > which probably dates form the late 1600's and fulling/dying mills in > general. > > For example, was a fulling mill also a dying mill or could the operations > be > separate entities? > > As a Dyster would Thomas manufacture his own dyes? Would the dyes be > organic > in nature only or would they have also been manufactured from minerals. If > the latter would the mill possibly have been similar to one used to grind > grain? > > I would also appreciate any links that may enable me to do my own research. > > Thanks > > Murray Reid > > NZ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Debbie Rea

Murray Have you contacted the Carnegie Library in Ayr town about this Mill and its history, etc Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Murray Reid Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 8:07 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Cc: mhhr@xtra.co.nz Subject: [AYR] Thomas Reid. Dyster of Craig Mill. Alloway My ancestor Thomas (1667-1733) is buried in Alloway Auld Kirk and his headstone describes him as "Dyster of Craig Mill" After some years of research this map http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16 <http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b= 1> &lat=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b=1 clearly shows the site of the mill on the banks of the river Doon just upstream from Alloway. Recently a 4th cousin has confirmed that foundations of the mill can still be seen. Just upstream is a weir that I suspect was the source of controlled water for the mill. I will be in Scotland in late September and intend to visit the site. I would appreciate help to research the history of this particular mill, which probably dates form the late 1600's and fulling/dying mills in general. For example, was a fulling mill also a dying mill or could the operations be separate entities? As a Dyster would Thomas manufacture his own dyes? Would the dyes be organic in nature only or would they have also been manufactured from minerals. If the latter would the mill possibly have been similar to one used to grind grain? I would also appreciate any links that may enable me to do my own research. Thanks Murray Reid NZ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/ayrshire/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

My ancestor Thomas (1667-1733) is buried in Alloway Auld Kirk and his headstone describes him as "Dyster of Craig Mill" After some years of research this map http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16 <http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b= 1> &lat=55.4226&lon=-4.6318&layers=5&b=1 clearly shows the site of the mill on the banks of the river Doon just upstream from Alloway. Recently a 4th cousin has confirmed that foundations of the mill can still be seen. Just upstream is a weir that I suspect was the source of controlled water for the mill. I will be in Scotland in late September and intend to visit the site. I would appreciate help to research the history of this particular mill, which probably dates form the late 1600's and fulling/dying mills in general. For example, was a fulling mill also a dying mill or could the operations be separate entities? As a Dyster would Thomas manufacture his own dyes? Would the dyes be organic in nature only or would they have also been manufactured from minerals. If the latter would the mill possibly have been similar to one used to grind grain? I would also appreciate any links that may enable me to do my own research. Thanks Murray Reid NZ

Hi Meg, Thank you for taking the trouble to extract the McNeil info from the Tarbolton OPR film. this clarifies the difference with McNEIL and NEIL(L)... Jane/Jean Wallace HILLHOUSE b 24 Nov 1835 bapt 13 Dec 1835 Stair dau of William HILLHOUSE b 25 Aug 1799 Shaw d 26 Mar 1886 Campbell Place, Auchinleck and Mary NEIL(L) b 19 Dec 1809 Crawfordston Toll d 9 Dec 1890 Bridge Street, Catrine mar 29 Dec 1832 Ochiltree/Tarbolton to William McNEILL William HILLHOUSE b 25 Aug 1799 Shaw son of James HILLHOUSE b 7 Sep 1755 Faill d 17 Jun 1834 Shaw and Jane/Jean WALLACE b c1765 Galston (?) d 11 Jan 1850 Tarbolton mar proclamation 2 Jun 1787 Ochiltree Mary NEIL(L) b 19 Dec 1809 Crawfordston Toll dau of Robert NEILL b c1775 d 13 Mar 1847 Tarbolton and Abigail CUNNINGHAM b c1777 Monkton d after 1851 census mar 18 Nov 1797 Coylton Many thanks, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Meg Greenwood {scotquester@bartnet.net} Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 5:58 AM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] McNeil in Tarbolton << >> 1855 was the first year of mandatory Registrations for Bs, Ms and Ds..... 1855 Marriage, parish of Old Cumnock - entry # 19 - On Aug Thirty-first, 1855 at Barrhill, Old Cumnock Marriage [after Banns] was solemnized between us according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church of Scotland. Signed William McNeill presently residing Tarbolton, ususally residing Tarbolton, age 23, a Weaver and a Bachelor born at Tarbolton on 23 May, 1832 and registered. Son of Archibald McNeil (Deceased), a Weaver and Grace McNeill, Maiden Name Campbell (Deceased). Signed Jane Hillhouse, presently residing Barrhill, Cumnock, usually residing Barrhill, Cumnock, age 19, a Spinster, born at Stair on 24th November, 1836 and registered. Daughter of William N. Hillhouse, a Wood Merchant and Mary Hillhouse Maiden Name Neill [note, this is not McNeill-Meg]. Signed James Murray, Minister of Cumnock. Signed William Hillhouse, Witness and Signed David Hillhouse, Witness. Registered Sept 3, 1855 at Cumnock by David S. Scott, Registrar. ======================================== --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Jenny and Maggie, These McNeill names are very similar to mine and I wonder if we are connected. I have Archibald McNeill (1785 - 1867) and his wife Margaret McNeill (1797 - 1847) who lived in Dundonald /Troon.. Archibald was son of Lachlan and Grizel/Grace McNeill of Gigha and Margaret was daughter of Murdoch and Catherine McNeill also of Gigha. Archibald was a tidewaiter and they had children: Archibald, Grace, John, Catherine, Margaret, b 1823 born 1823- 32 Campbeltown then Barbara and Hector born Troon 1836 and 1839. Margaret was sister to my gg-grandmother Mary McNeill who was born 1799 Gigha, married Ronald Morrison in Sorn 1824 and raised their family in Auchinleck: Catherine, James, Anne, Margaret, Jean, Murdoch, David and William born between 1824 and 1844. I'm sure we have discussed this before but worth looking at again. Cheers, Mary MARY m