This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: laurencemclaren Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Rowena, again. I forget to mention before, I would love to keep in touch and any photos you have would make my day, I collect photos from relatives all over the place, my oldest was taken 1885 when my great granddad Dougald Templeton was married, there is one of him and his wife and another with his parents and sisters, not very good but at least I have them. I think it is bed time now. you are probably just getting up. night Laurie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dipi13 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13759.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Fergushill was a coal mining area, along with Bensley Village. Both on the outskirts of Kilwinning, Ayrshire. Mining commenced about the 1850's and continued until around the early 1900s. The miner's rows were cleared about the 1930's. Burial places are Kilwinning Old Parish Churchyard and a newer cemetery on the Glasgow Road Kilwinning. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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The word "wappinschaw" is still in regular use in Scotland in the context of bowling. It is their preferred title for a match. see: http://www.croftheadbowlingclub.co.uk/syllabus%20apr%20-%20june.html and http://www.s1beith.com/news/from-the-heralds-beith-news-of-july-29-2009.html Genial Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Humphrey" <humphreyjohn@rogers.com> To: "Loretta Layman" <lynneage@h-o-l.com> Cc: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [AYR] Definition of Walpynshawing > Hi Loretta - > > The Dictionary of the Scots Language [www.dsl.ac.uk] gives several > spellings and examples of WAPPENSHAW which literally meant > "weapon-showing" It referred either to a "periodical muster or review > of the men under arms in a particular lordship or district" - which > seems to be your case - or to a festive tournament or contest of > weapon-skills > Loretta Layman wrote: >> I'm stumped. The Scots Dictionary doesn't have a word spelled even >> remotely like "walpynshawin". In the papers of the Montgomerys, Earls of >> Eglinton is a document with the heading "The WALPYNSHAWING of Conynghame, >> held on the Burgh Muir of Irvin, 15th October 1532". The only clue is >> that it was a meeting or gathering of lairds and their tenants held by >> the Earl, and I'd love to know its purpose. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: laurencemclaren Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1.2.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Rowena. Thank you for the information, don't think I would fancy that trip way back then, If you want me to send you the full Templeton family sheet maybe you could let me have your address via a private message and I will post it to you, who is the second cousin descended from. I will have a look for information on the two ships they sailed on. take care Laurie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Oh that's funny Jack. I know it's been used sometimes in the past in the context of various kinds of competition, but ... bowling? Too cute. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: Jack [mailto:genial.jack4@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:27 AM To: John Humphrey; Loretta Layman Cc: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Definition of Walpynshawing The word "wappinschaw" is still in regular use in Scotland in the context of bowling. It is their preferred title for a match. see: http://www.croftheadbowlingclub.co.uk/syllabus%20apr%20-%20june.html and http://www.s1beith.com/news/from-the-heralds-beith-news-of-july-29-2009.html Genial Jack

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: grandad_cole Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Laurie, Thank you for your reply, it is good to know more details about the Templeton ancestors. The Clark family came to NZ in two groups. Hugh Clark, son George Clark, daughter Margaret and husband Archibold Lamb ( married 25 June 1854 Old Monkland,Lanark )sailed on the ship Bruce about 1860 I am not sure about the dates. Mary and some of the family are in the 1861 Census at Kilmarnock running a Grocers Shop. On 6 May 1862 travelling on the Nelson from Greenock Mary, William, Samuel, David, Alexander and wife Williamina (nee Turnbull married 7 June 1861 at Shettleston, Lanark)left for NZ.They arrived 6 August 1862 landing at Port Chalmers Otago. During the voyage on 14 May Williamina gave birth to their first child Isobella Mickelejohn Nelson Clark (Micleljohn was the Captain and the ship Nelson). Eldest son John came to NZ with his family in 1888 on the Jessie Redmond. It is thought that sons Robert and James had died before the family came to NZ, son Hugh and family staying in Scotland . Hugh Clark died 5 May 1875 at Portobello Otago Peninsular where he had bought land and farmed. Mary died 23 November 1878 they are both buried at Portobello cemetry. On her death certificate it states 7 sons living so Margaret must have died before this time. Sons George and Alexander also bought Land and farmed nearby. Samuel was a Teacher, William continued as a Bootmaker in Dunedin, David was a News Agent later moving to Wellington in the North Island. I am decended from Alexander who is my great grandfather, I have just recently met a second cousin who is also interested in our family so between us we are pieceing things together. I hope we can keep in contact we have photos that may be of interest to you. Rowena Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

A good gathering to stay away from!. The only thing more frightening would be a similar gathering in Ireland. Murray NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Paton" <em.paton86@iinet.net.au> To: "Loretta Layman" <lynneage@h-o-l.com> Cc: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [AYR] Definition of Walpynshawing > Hi Loretta, > > My knowledge of history and dates is pathetic but it looks to me as > if for some reason these lairds didn't want the earl to know they had > weapons and voted with their feet. > > A Scottish history book for those dates would probably help but no > doubt someone on the list has it already in their heads. > > Cheers, > Mary > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Loretta, My knowledge of history and dates is pathetic but it looks to me as if for some reason these lairds didn't want the earl to know they had weapons and voted with their feet. A Scottish history book for those dates would probably help but no doubt someone on the list has it already in their heads. Cheers, Mary

Thanks to everyone for their very helpful replies. You prompted me to do some research on the Montomgerys, Earls of Eglinton, in an attempt to find the reason for the lairds' failure to comply. There seem to be two possibilities. 1. Since there had been a long-standing feud between the Montgomerys and the Cunninghams, perhaps the majority of lairds were on the side of the Cunninghams. 2. Since the Earl at this time (1532) was a staunch Roman Catholic and the Protestant Reformation was taking hold in Ayrshire as well as many other places in Scotland, perhaps the lairds did not wish to declare their military strength because they did not want to either stand with the Catholic Earl or, as Mary was close to guessing, show him their vulnerability. Thanks again folks. Loretta

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaryPaton94 Surnames: TEMPLETON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Laurie, Thanks for your reply. I can't see any connection with my Templetons who were mostly in Auchinleck and surrounds from the 1700s. There possibly would be something further back but lost in sands of time ... Best wishes, Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Loretta - The Dictionary of the Scots Language [www.dsl.ac.uk] gives several spellings and examples of WAPPENSHAW which literally meant "weapon-showing" It referred either to a "periodical muster or review of the men under arms in a particular lordship or district" - which seems to be your case - or to a festive tournament or contest of weapon-skills **Gsw.* *1704* /Burgh Rec. Gsw./ (B.R.S.) 388: They are ordinarily warned by the toun officers to weapon shawing. **Sc.* *1720* R. Wodrow /Sufferings/ ii. iv. s.3: By many former Laws Weapon-shewing, and the fencible Men in every Shire, their being armed for their own Defence, is declared to be the Privilege of Scotsmen. **Sc.* *1828* Scott /F. M. Perth/ iii.: The best wrestler, sword-and-buckler player --- the king of the weapon-shawing. **Sc.* *1847* /Tait's Mag./ (July) 455: The people were wont to be assembled down to a very late period, for the weapon-schawings annually, in the months of June and October. **Per.* *1905* G. Wilson /Glover Incorp./ 13: On one of these occasions of wappen schawing a serious riot took place. **Sc.* *1949* W. M. Mackenzie /Sc. Burghs/ 136: Burgesses had to take their part in "weapon-showing" as liable to a levy in time of war, but the custom was to do so of themselves, not as part of the shire display. **Sc.* *1816* Scott /O. Mortality/ ii.: The sheriff of the county of Lanark was holding the wappenschaw of a wild district. **Slk.* *1835* Hogg /Tales/ (1874) 681: He was a principal man at weapon-shaws, excelling every competitor. **Dmb.* *1868* J. Salmon /Gowodean/ ix.: Of "wapen-schaw," and rustic game, Which twined with art the patriot's flame. **Abd.* *1873* P. Buchan /Inglismill/ 55: Then cam' racin', playin' at the ba', An' arrow-shootin' at the waponschaw. **Kcb.* *1900* Crockett /Black Douglas/ xiv.: I also won the swording prize at the last wappenshaw. **Sc.* *1957* /Early Rec. Abd./ (S.H.S.) cxlvii.: The military measures enacted by the parliaments of James I prescribed "wappin-schaws" within the burghs four times a year and detailed the arms and armour to be worn by burghesses. (2) /Fig/. A rally or turnout of supporters of a cause. [O.Sc. /wapynschawing/, = *I*., 1424, /wapin-schaw/, = *II*. *1*., 1503, 'a weapon-show', from Wappen <http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/snda4frames.php?xref=yes&searchtype=full&dregion=form&dtext=all&sset=1&fset=20&query=Wappen> + Shaw <http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/snda4frames.php?xref=yes&searchtype=full&dregion=form&dtext=all&sset=1&fset=20&query=Shaw>, /v/.^1 , /n/.^1 ] I've also found on-line a quote from a 26 May 1640 letter from Earl Marischal to the Provost & Baillies of Aberdeen, asking them to rally the citizenry to support his troops, then fighting on the Covenanter side - which suggest that such "weapon-showings" could have a serious military importance: "My very loveing freinds, these ar to show zow that I intend (God willing) on Thursday nixt, in the eftirnoone, to be at Abirdeine, quhair I will bring with me generall Maior monro and his regiment, for quhome I pray zow cause prowyd victuallis for the payment... And with all ye sail be in armes, and meitt ws at the brig of Dee, that we may joyne for defense of your toune, and of so many honest men as sail be fund thairin, and for the peace of the cuntrie about. But *I wish ze be better conveened** nor ze were at last wappin showing."* Best regards John Loretta Layman wrote: > I'm stumped. The Scots Dictionary doesn't have a word spelled even remotely like "walpynshawin". In the papers of the Montgomerys, Earls of Eglinton is a document with the heading "The WALPYNSHAWING of Conynghame, held on the Burgh Muir of Irvin, 15th October 1532". The only clue is that it was a meeting or gathering of lairds and their tenants held by the Earl, and I'd love to know its purpose.

Sorry, I asked too soon. I went back and tried searching just for "walpyn", and the dictionary brought up "wapynschaw". Strange it didn't offer that when I entered "walpynshawing". In fact, it then also offered "wapynschawin". Anyway, it's a compound word. "Wapyn" is "weapon" and "schwa" is "to show". So, a walpynshawing is a review of arms in order to assess military capability and preparedness. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: Loretta Layman [mailto:lynneage@h-o-l.com] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 10:47 PM To: 'gc-gateway@rootsweb.com'; 'AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: Definition of Walpynshawing I'm stumped. The Scots Dictionary doesn't have a word spelled even remotely like "walpynshawin". In the papers of the Montgomerys, Earls of Eglinton is a document with the heading "The WALPYNSHAWING of Conynghame, held on the Burgh Muir of Irvin, 15th October 1532". The only clue is that it was a meeting or gathering of lairds and their tenants held by the Earl, and I'd love to know its purpose. Of the 70 or so lairds or properties listed, it appears that only a third or less showed up. It doesn't sound as though they feared the Earl much, or perhaps he called for the gathering with too short notice. Absent, Lovdone. Evyr Loudone, Neddir Loudone, The lard of Grougar and his tenandis absent. The lard Bovallane and al his tenandis absent. The lard of Pokclly and al his tenandis absent. The lard of Löchrig and al his folkis absent The tenandis of my lord Cassillis absent. The tenandis of Georgis Humis nocht bodin. The lard of Mungrenane and al his folkis absent. The lard of Robertland and al his folkis absent. The tenandis of Cassiltune absent. The tenandis of the lordschip of Kilmernok absent. The Lord Kilmaweris and all his folkis absent. The lard of Busby Movat and al his folkis absent; and certane of his tenandis comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Busby Glengernok absent. The tenandis of Dregarne comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Cherelandis absent. The tenandis of Peristoun Conigam absent. The tenandis of Peristone Berclay absent. The tenandis of Peristone Blayr absent. The tenandis of Drummvr. The lard Comslie and al his folkis absent. The tenandis of Bertanholme Conigam. The tenandis of Se vin Akyrris Conigam. The tenandis of Montfoid comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Terbart comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Portincors and the lard comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Tarbeltone boudone. The tenandis of Knokevart absent. The tenandis of the Thrid part Conigam Glengernok absent. The tenandis of Faraly Crevocht comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Drummilene Conigam absent. The lard of Cailburne comperand nocht bodin, and all his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Cragly absent. The tenandis of Killingcrag absent. The tenandis of Haly Porterfeild absent. The lard of Halkhirst comperand nocht bodin. The lard of Hanganheucht absent and his tenandis. The tenandis of Hanganheucht Glengernok absent. The lard of Evir Kelsoland comperand nocht bodin, and all his tenandis absent. The lard of Nedder Kelsoland and all his tenandis absent. The lard of Knok and al his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Conigam Skelmurly absent. The tenandis of the Farnly absent. The tenandis of Dunnyflattis comperand nocht bodin. The lard of Glengernok and al his tenandis absent. The lard of Kilbirny and al his tenandis absent. The lard of GifFertland comperand and his tenandis nocht bodin. The lard of Evir Lyn and his tenandis absent. The lard of Petcone and his tenandis comperand nocht bodin efter the forme of the letteris. The tenandis of Svynleis absent. The lard of Blayr comperand and certane of his tenandis nocht bodin. The lard of Haupland and his tenandis absent. The lard of Auldhal Conigam and his tenandis absent. The lard of Auldhal Clerk and his tenandis absent. The lard of Auldhal Nevin and his tenandis comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Dunlophil Mungumry comperand nocht bodin. The lard of Dunlophil Conigan and his tenandis absent. The lard of Akat Conigam and all his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Akat Vallace absent. The tenandis of the Vatterland. The lard Conigamheid and al his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Quhytsyd absent. The tenandis of Badiane Conigan absent. John Ballie comperand nocht bodin. Andro Huntar comperand sufficiently bodin. Dauid Berclay comperand bodin. The lard of Braidly and his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Ester Kyrkwod comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Vester Kyrkuod and his tenandis absent. The lard of Hunthal and al his tenandis absent. Any help would be much appreciated. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 10:14 PM To: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Hugh Clark & Janet Lindsay This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaryPaton94 Surnames: TEMPLETON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1 .2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Laurie, Thanks for your reply. I can't see any connection with my Templetons who were mostly in Auchinleck and surrounds from the 1700s. There possibly would be something further back but lost in sands of time ... Best wishes, Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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I'm stumped. The Scots Dictionary doesn't have a word spelled even remotely like "walpynshawin". In the papers of the Montgomerys, Earls of Eglinton is a document with the heading "The WALPYNSHAWING of Conynghame, held on the Burgh Muir of Irvin, 15th October 1532". The only clue is that it was a meeting or gathering of lairds and their tenants held by the Earl, and I'd love to know its purpose. Of the 70 or so lairds or properties listed, it appears that only a third or less showed up. It doesn't sound as though they feared the Earl much, or perhaps he called for the gathering with too short notice. Absent, Lovdone. Evyr Loudone, Neddir Loudone, The lard of Grougar and his tenandis absent. The lard Bovallane and al his tenandis absent. The lard of Pokclly and al his tenandis absent. The lard of Löchrig and al his folkis absent The tenandis of my lord Cassillis absent. The tenandis of Georgis Humis nocht bodin. The lard of Mungrenane and al his folkis absent. The lard of Robertland and al his folkis absent. The tenandis of Cassiltune absent. The tenandis of the lordschip of Kilmernok absent. The Lord Kilmaweris and all his folkis absent. The lard of Busby Movat and al his folkis absent; and certane of his tenandis comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Busby Glengernok absent. The tenandis of Dregarne comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Cherelandis absent. The tenandis of Peristoun Conigam absent. The tenandis of Peristone Berclay absent. The tenandis of Peristone Blayr absent. The tenandis of Drummvr. The lard Comslie and al his folkis absent. The tenandis of Bertanholme Conigam. The tenandis of Se vin Akyrris Conigam. The tenandis of Montfoid comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Terbart comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Portincors and the lard comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Tarbeltone boudone. The tenandis of Knokevart absent. The tenandis of the Thrid part Conigam Glengernok absent. The tenandis of Faraly Crevocht comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Drummilene Conigam absent. The lard of Cailburne comperand nocht bodin, and all his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Cragly absent. The tenandis of Killingcrag absent. The tenandis of Haly Porterfeild absent. The lard of Halkhirst comperand nocht bodin. The lard of Hanganheucht absent and his tenandis. The tenandis of Hanganheucht Glengernok absent. The lard of Evir Kelsoland comperand nocht bodin, and all his tenandis absent. The lard of Nedder Kelsoland and all his tenandis absent. The lard of Knok and al his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Conigam Skelmurly absent. The tenandis of the Farnly absent. The tenandis of Dunnyflattis comperand nocht bodin. The lard of Glengernok and al his tenandis absent. The lard of Kilbirny and al his tenandis absent. The lard of GifFertland comperand and his tenandis nocht bodin. The lard of Evir Lyn and his tenandis absent. The lard of Petcone and his tenandis comperand nocht bodin efter the forme of the letteris. The tenandis of Svynleis absent. The lard of Blayr comperand and certane of his tenandis nocht bodin. The lard of Haupland and his tenandis absent. The lard of Auldhal Conigam and his tenandis absent. The lard of Auldhal Clerk and his tenandis absent. The lard of Auldhal Nevin and his tenandis comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Dunlophil Mungumry comperand nocht bodin. The lard of Dunlophil Conigan and his tenandis absent. The lard of Akat Conigam and all his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Akat Vallace absent. The tenandis of the Vatterland. The lard Conigamheid and al his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Quhytsyd absent. The tenandis of Badiane Conigan absent. John Ballie comperand nocht bodin. Andro Huntar comperand sufficiently bodin. Dauid Berclay comperand bodin. The lard of Braidly and his tenandis absent. The tenandis of Ester Kyrkwod comperand nocht bodin. The tenandis of Vester Kyrkuod and his tenandis absent. The lard of Hunthal and al his tenandis absent. Any help would be much appreciated. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 10:14 PM To: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Hugh Clark & Janet Lindsay This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaryPaton94 Surnames: TEMPLETON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1 .2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Laurie, Thanks for your reply. I can't see any connection with my Templetons who were mostly in Auchinleck and surrounds from the 1700s. There possibly would be something further back but lost in sands of time ... Best wishes, Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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I have some 'missing' McLACHLANs (McLAUCHLIN, McLAUGHLIN var) in the area of Ayrshire, or Bute.Because of the close proximity to Glasgow and Rebfrew as well they could be anywhere. Parents Lachlan McLACHLAN/Ann McFARLANE. John was born in Largs in 1861. His father a butcher who died in Rothesay in 1893. In 1871 the family was still in Largs but I have not found him after that. In 1881 he was not with his family in Inellan in Dunoon & Kilmun. Colin was born in Largs in 1866. In 1871 he was with the family in Largs. In 1881 he was not with the family in Inellan in Dunoon & Kilmun. Margaret was born in Largs in 1868. In 1871, 1881 & 1891 she was still unmarried and with the family. Christina was born in Largs in 1869. In 1871 & 1881 she was with the family but not in 1891. Another son, Thomas Leigh McLACHLAN was born in Rothesay in 1887 to Lachlan & his second wife Mary MEIKLE. In 1891 & 1901 he is with other family members in Rothesay but I cannot find him after that. I have not found a death or a marriage for him yet. Any help or connections would be welcome. Anne Maye.

The Scots Dictionary says a chopin is "a liquid (rarely dry) measure equal to a (Scottish) half pint". Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bundy Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:11 PM To: searchinguk@shaw.ca; 'Rootsweb Ayrshire' Subject: Re: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 71 Thanks Linda, Seems to have been a quart. Now, that's a glass of ale! :) Jim Bundy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Linda Nordby" <searchinguk@shaw.ca> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:04 PM To: "'Jim Bundy'" <jbundy48@verizon.net>; "'Rootsweb Ayrshire'" <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 71 > Hi Jim and Listers, > Re: confessing > that she did drink some chappnes of eale > > I believe it to be a measure of ale. > > This was found through an on line book on line with a search for weight, > measure chappin > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=aKIKAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=weight+me > asure+chappin > > Cheers > Linda Nordby > > > > Hi Listers, > Well, this guys writing style was quite good, and he used lots of ink, but > he wrote so tiny that I broke down today and bought a magnifier with wire > stand to get a size I could really see. It did help, although there's > still > a few words I had to take a chance with. BTW, what is a "chappnes of > eale(ale?)"? > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chrisharman50 Surnames: croucher harman Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13986/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi im looking for census info for 1901 for elijah (also known as george croucher)born 1842 godmersham.wife sarah ann harman born 1847 whitstable.daughter lydia born 1874 whitstable.lived in ayreshire.thankyou Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi (sent to gateway labelled Hugh Clark and Janet Lindsay) I think this below is your family in 1841. I've chopped it to fit so all were born outside the census county except the four youngest. Margaret appears to be 10 but I think it could be a mis-transcription. >From this I would deduce that this is probably Mary's birth - a "double Templeton"!I suggest finding her birth in 1801 Scotlandspeople so as to discover more about her parents. MARY TEMPLETON Christening: 28 MAR 1801 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Father: WILLIAM TEMPLETON Mother: MARGARET TEMPLETON C115734 1778 - 1820 1041283 Film 6902206 The family at the bottom might be her parents but I don't know. What do you think? Piece: SCT1841/552 Place: Great Cumbrae -Bute Enumeration District: 1 Civil Parish: Cumbrae Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 2 Page: 14 Address: Millport Cardiff Street CLARK Hugh M 40 Shoe Maker Outside Census County CLARK Mary F 40 Outside Census County CLARK John M 18 Shoemaker Apprentice Outside CLARK Hugh M 16 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Ap CLARK Margaret F 10 Outside Census County CLARK William M 12 Bute CLARK James M 9 Bute CLARK George M 7 Bute CLARK Alexander M 5 Bute SMITH William M 22 Shoemaker Journeyman Bute Piece: SCT1841/597 Place: Kilmarnock -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 30 Civil Parish: Kilmarnock Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Kilmarnock Folio: 18 Page: 18 TEMPLETON William M 65 Jnyman Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Ayrshire TEMPLETON Marget F 75 Pirn Winder Outside County WEBSTER - (Mrs) F 25 Hand Sewer Ayrshire WEBSTER William M 9 Ayrshire WEBSTER Margt F 7 Ayrshire WEBSTER David M 5 Ayrshire WEBSTER Jean F 2 Ayrshire

Thanks Linda, Seems to have been a quart. Now, that's a glass of ale! :) Jim Bundy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Linda Nordby" <searchinguk@shaw.ca> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:04 PM To: "'Jim Bundy'" <jbundy48@verizon.net>; "'Rootsweb Ayrshire'" <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 71 > Hi Jim and Listers, > Re: confessing > that she did drink some chappnes of eale > > I believe it to be a measure of ale. > > This was found through an on line book on line with a search for weight, > measure chappin > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=aKIKAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=weight+me > asure+chappin > > Cheers > Linda Nordby > > > > Hi Listers, > Well, this guys writing style was quite good, and he used lots of ink, but > he wrote so tiny that I broke down today and bought a magnifier with wire > stand to get a size I could really see. It did help, although there's > still > a few words I had to take a chance with. BTW, what is a "chappnes of > eale(ale?)"? > > > > >

Hi Jim and Listers, Re: confessing that she did drink some chappnes of eale I believe it to be a measure of ale. This was found through an on line book on line with a search for weight, measure chappin http://books.google.ca/books?id=aKIKAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=weight+me asure+chappin Cheers Linda Nordby Hi Listers, Well, this guys writing style was quite good, and he used lots of ink, but he wrote so tiny that I broke down today and bought a magnifier with wire stand to get a size I could really see. It did help, although there's still a few words I had to take a chance with. BTW, what is a "chappnes of eale(ale?)"?