I am not a member of Ancestry so can't sen this back to that group However in the Fenwich Churchyard book there are two Howatt graves - # 116, MIGHT BE THE FATHER but more likely the grandfather of this couple and in grave #114,it would appear to be the father of grave # 116 FROM THE AGES ON THE GRAVES. However, this will not prove the link but only give you some other possible avenues of research. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [AYR] Howat in Fenwick > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: ScotsCotNM > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/61.3362.3378.3841.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I don't have Howat information, but I do have a bit of information via > Scotland's People website on the David Calderwood/Margaret Gilmour family > at Gainford, Fenwick. > > Adam Calderwood, b. Aug. 8, 1770 > Elizabeth Calderwood, b. Aug. 2, 1772 > Girzal Calderwood, b. May 30, 1775 > David Calderwood, b. Oct. 5, 1777 > Margaret Calderwood, b. Aug. 27, 1780 > > Do you know the senior David's origin? The line I'm researching is the > Blackbyre/Clonfin/Mossneuk Calderwoods in Fenwick, apparently with roots > at Magbiehill in Stewarton. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ScotsCotNM Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/61.3362.3378.3841.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't have Howat information, but I do have a bit of information via Scotland's People website on the David Calderwood/Margaret Gilmour family at Gainford, Fenwick. Adam Calderwood, b. Aug. 8, 1770 Elizabeth Calderwood, b. Aug. 2, 1772 Girzal Calderwood, b. May 30, 1775 David Calderwood, b. Oct. 5, 1777 Margaret Calderwood, b. Aug. 27, 1780 Do you know the senior David's origin? The line I'm researching is the Blackbyre/Clonfin/Mossneuk Calderwoods in Fenwick, apparently with roots at Magbiehill in Stewarton. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tamules Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/61.3362.3378.3841.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Robert Howat 1790-1831 married to Elizabeth Calderwood 1772-1859 in my tree. I don't know the parents of Robert. They are my brick wall. Elizabeths parents are David Calderwood1745-? and Margaret Gilmour 1744-1829 Have you any clues? Many thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: leesekath Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13999.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for your response. Don't think there is a connection there, sorry. I had meant to type from Irvine. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: brubach Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13999.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've got a Robert Irvine, bricklayer from Kilbirnie who married Mary Lusk. His parents are William and Annie Connelly Irvine. Any connection? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ChrisGoldstraw77 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13999.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I have a Janet BELL b 1806 Cummertries. father George BELL and mother Janet HETHERINGTON. My Janet married George James IMRIE b 1807 about Dunscore according to the 1871 census. His father was thomas IMRIE. Do you think there might be a connection? Cheers Chris Australia Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: leesekath Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13999/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I'm looking for information related to the Bell family from Irvine. Also for William (?Wallace) Bell or McCulloch, son of William McEwan Bell and Ruth ?McCulloch. Any information at all, gratefully received. Many thanks in advance. Kath Leese (Kathleen Suzanne Leese, nee Bell) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I'll look forward to hearing what happened to James Broun! Jenny At 17:15 -0700 6/6/10, Jim Bundy wrote: >Page 97 > >The whilk day James Broun in wardlaw being somoned for blasphamie ... >...and also said that god wer more obledgt to him than he wer to god

Hi Janet, Thanks for the info. I now know I most likely need to look elsewhere to find Andrew. Tunji On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Janet Smith <jmc.smith@waitrose.com> wrote: > Hello Tunji, > > I see from the 1861 census that Lorraine found for you that Andrew was a > 'drainer'. I have a Samuel Barrie from Kirkconnel DFS who was a drainer - > and he never seems to be at home on census night either. By luck I found > him in Dalmellington in 1851, along with one of his sons, also a drainer. > His wife appears in Kirkconnel censuses but Samuel is obviously always away > working elsewhere. I presume that most of the work was fairly temporary and > so it was not worthwhile for the whole family to move house. > > Janet > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cheers Mary, there doesn't appear to be a connection however. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Mary Paton <em.paton86@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Hi Tunji, > > I fell over this Gemmell by accident when looking for Morrisons so > thought I'd send it in case he is of interest. > > Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 8 > Civil Parish: St Davids Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - > Folio: 546 Page: 13 Schedule: 49 > Address: 45 John Street >     MORRISON   John   Head   M   M   58   Cotton > Warper    Renfrewshire - Paisley >     MORRISON / PARKERSON   May   Wife   M   F   34       England - - >     MORRISON   Ellen   Dau   -   F   15   Scholar    Lanarkshire - > Glasgow >     GEMMELL   John   Lodger   U   M   50   Cotton Warper    Ayrshire > - Kilmarnock >     WATSON   Mary   Lodger   U   F   22   Cotton > Winder    Dunbartonshire - Dumbarton >     MILLEN   John J D   Son   -   M   15m       Lanarkshire - Glasgow > > Best regards, > Mary > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Tunji, I see from the 1861 census that Lorraine found for you that Andrew was a 'drainer'. I have a Samuel Barrie from Kirkconnel DFS who was a drainer - and he never seems to be at home on census night either. By luck I found him in Dalmellington in 1851, along with one of his sons, also a drainer. His wife appears in Kirkconnel censuses but Samuel is obviously always away working elsewhere. I presume that most of the work was fairly temporary and so it was not worthwhile for the whole family to move house. Janet

Hi Tunji, I fell over this Gemmell by accident when looking for Morrisons so thought I'd send it in case he is of interest. Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: St Davids Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 546 Page: 13 Schedule: 49 Address: 45 John Street MORRISON John Head M M 58 Cotton Warper Renfrewshire - Paisley MORRISON / PARKERSON May Wife M F 34 England - - MORRISON Ellen Dau - F 15 Scholar Lanarkshire - Glasgow GEMMELL John Lodger U M 50 Cotton Warper Ayrshire - Kilmarnock WATSON Mary Lodger U F 22 Cotton Winder Dunbartonshire - Dumbarton MILLEN John J D Son - M 15m Lanarkshire - Glasgow Best regards, Mary

Hi Tunji I found Andrew & Marion on the 1861 census, but not on the 1851. I will keep looking & let you know if I find them. Cheers Lorraine 1861 Scotland Census about Andrew Gemmell Name: Andrew Gemmell Age: 73 Estimated birth year: abt 1788 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Marion Gender: Male Where born: Inverness Registration Number: 607 Registration district: Muirkirk Civil parish: Muirkirk County: Ayrshire Address: Main Street Occupation: Land Drainer ED: 2 Household schedule number: 49 Line: 22 Roll: CSSCT1861_88 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Gemmell 73 Marion Gemmell 67 -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elvis rules Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2010 4:02 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Muirkirk census look up request dy of the message

Tunji What spell variation have you looked under in the Census? You may have to either know or find out from a latter census what occupation that Andrew Gemmell was. For Example, if he was a farm worker, he may have been working out of area or if he was a servant to the estate owner, have been in Glasgow or Edinburgh with him when the Census taker came by. Or a 1000 other reasons. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "elvis rules" <elvisrules@gmail.com> To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [AYR] Muirkirk census look up request > Hello, > > I've tried searching the 1851 but I can't seem to find the family. A > distant > cousin told me she found Andrew in the 1851, but I honestly can't find him > myself. Neither can I see him in 1841, though I have found who I believe > to > be his wife. (see below) > > Kind regards, > > Tunji Lees > > *Piece:* SCT1841/607 *Place:* Muirkirk -Ayrshire *Enumeration District:* 1 > *Civil Parish:* Muirkirk *Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or > Island:*Muirkirk > *Folio:* 1 *Page:* 22 > *Address:* Main St > > ------------------------------ > Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks GEMMEL > Marion F 45 Outside Census County (1841) GEMMEL Margaret F 5 > Ayrshire > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the 1861 transcription Lorraine, and thanks Mike for your suggestions. I took your advice about considering his occupation, and searched FreeCen for an Andrew Gemmell with the occupation of Drainer/Land Drainer in the 1841 census. There was only one match, an Andrew Gemmell in a house full of Drainers in Ross & Cromarty. He is born out of the county, and his age matches, I'm quite confident he's my man. Unfortunately, I couldn't find him in 1851 in the same way. Then again, the 1851 FreeCen census is much less complete. Cheers, Tunji Belgium

Thanks for the 1861 transcription Lorraine, and thanks Mike for your suggestions. I took your advice about considering his occupation, and searched FreeCen for an Andrew Gemmell with the occupation of Drainer/Land Drainer in the 1841 census. There was only one match, an Andrew Gemmell in a house full of Drainers in Ross & Cromarty. He is born out of the county, and his age matches, I'm quite confident he's my man. Unfortunately, I couldn't find him in 1851 in the same way. Then again, the 1851 FreeCen census is much less complete. Cheers, Tunji Belgium

Hi Shanna formal adoptions in Scotland wernt legalised until about 1930. There maybe something recorded in the Kirk session minutes of the Dunoon church, these may have been filmed by the LDS and you can order in the film at the nearest Family History centre and go and look at it. In the census what was Alexanders relationship to the head of house ? maybe the Graingers were distant relatives. Have you looked on Scotlands People for any of this information ? Hope this helps Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shanna Jones" <shannasjones@msn.com> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:56 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Adopted 1847/1851 > Hello, > I am new to this list. I am looking for a boy named Alexander who was > born > in Dunoon, Argyll, on 7 Mar 1847. Supposedly he was born Alexander > Fullerton and his parents were Alexander Fullerton and Ann McCall. Then > by > the 1851 census he had supposedly been adopted and is living in Abbey, > Paisley, in the family of Walter Grainger and Catherine Guthrie. > > We really want to know the details, what happened to his biological > parents? > How did he get from Dunoon, Argyll to Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland. Did > they > do adoptions back then? Were the Grangers related somehow? > > I haven't been able to find any matching births on the SCR. Does anyone > have any ideas? The Grainger or Granger parents didn't tell him he was > adopted until his wedding day when they told him he might want to tell his > wife he was actually a Fullerton and not a Granger. > > Thanks for any help, > Shanna > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I've tried searching the 1851 but I can't seem to find the family. A distant cousin told me she found Andrew in the 1851, but I honestly can't find him myself. Neither can I see him in 1841, though I have found who I believe to be his wife. (see below) Kind regards, Tunji Lees *Piece:* SCT1841/607 *Place:* Muirkirk -Ayrshire *Enumeration District:* 1 *Civil Parish:* Muirkirk *Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island:*Muirkirk *Folio:* 1 *Page:* 22 *Address:* Main St ------------------------------ Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks GEMMEL Marion F 45 Outside Census County (1841) GEMMEL Margaret F 5 Ayrshire

Hello, I am looking into a family and would like to request a census look up for 1841, 1851 and 1861. The family is: Andrew Gemmell m. Marion Broatfoot 1814 Muirkirk. To help find the family, here are their children, all born in Muirkirk: -John b. 1814 -Christian b. 1817 -Robert b. 1819 -Andrew b. 1822 -Alison b. 1824 -David b. 1827 -William b. 1829 -Thomas b. 1832 -Margaret Gibson b. 1834 Father Andrew died in Muirkirk in 1866 so I suspect he'll be in Muirkirk on all three censues. Thanks and regards, Tunji Lees

Hello Shanna, There are 8 researchers that have contributed to the Pedigree File on Alexander Granger Fullerton. Hopfully this may give you some answers. www.familysearch.com Linda Alexander Granger FULLERTON (AFN: 33NH-P2) Pedigree Sex: M Submitter(s): THELMA WHIPPLE FERNELIUS Microfilm: 1394259 1544 NO CHAPEL ST SANTA CLARA UT Submission: AF83-059075 USA 84765 DORAKNELL ROBINSON FULLERTON Microfilm: 1394333 8238 EAST WILSHIRE DRIVE SCOTTSDALE AZ Submission: AF83-079816 USA 85257 DUANE M BLEAK Microfilm: 1394359 22905 S E 37TH ST ISSAQUAH WA Submission: AF83-087758 USA 98027 LEE ANN KINDLE Microfilm: 1394370 607 SO MAIN PLEASANT GROVE UT Submission: AF83-091272 USA 84062 IVAN ERASTUS WITTWER Microfilm: 1394427 IVINS UT Submission: AF83-111242 USA 84738 NORMAN PHILLIPS Microfilm: NONE 1530 EAST FAIRFIELD MESA AZ Submission: AF91-101827 USA 85203 JUDY HEER Microfilm: NONE 77 E 1975 N CENTERVILLE UT Submission: AF93-101809 USA 84014 LEROY H. POLL Microfilm: NONE 1360 E S WEBER DR OGDEN UT Submission: AF93-101050 USA 84405 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Pools Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 2:12 PM To: sct-argyll@rootsweb.com; Shanna Jones Cc: Ayrlist Subject: Re: [AYR] [ARGYLL] Adopted 1847/1851 Hi Shanna formal adoptions in Scotland wernt legalised until about 1930. There maybe something recorded in the Kirk session minutes of the Dunoon church, these may have been filmed by the LDS and you can order in the film at the nearest Family History centre and go and look at it. In the census what was Alexanders relationship to the head of house ? maybe the Graingers were distant relatives. Have you looked on Scotlands People for any of this information ? Hope this helps Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shanna Jones" <shannasjones@msn.com> To: <sct-argyll@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:56 AM Subject: [ARGYLL] Adopted 1847/1851 > Hello, > I am new to this list. I am looking for a boy named Alexander who was > born > in Dunoon, Argyll, on 7 Mar 1847. Supposedly he was born Alexander > Fullerton and his parents were Alexander Fullerton and Ann McCall. Then > by > the 1851 census he had supposedly been adopted and is living in Abbey, > Paisley, in the family of Walter Grainger and Catherine Guthrie. > > We really want to know the details, what happened to his biological > parents? > How did he get from Dunoon, Argyll to Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland. Did > they > do adoptions back then? Were the Grangers related somehow? > > I haven't been able to find any matching births on the SCR. Does anyone > have any ideas? The Grainger or Granger parents didn't tell him he was > adopted until his wedding day when they told him he might want to tell his > wife he was actually a Fullerton and not a Granger. > > Thanks for any help, > Shanna > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ARGYLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message