I'm looking for the marriage of Thomas McCANDLISH to Jean _______ . It would have been between the mid 1790s to early 1800s because Jean was born in 1779 and had a child in 1803. I think (but am not sure) that Jean's maiden name was McCANDLISH and her married name was the same. An alternative maiden name might have been BROWN. The children of Thomas and Jean were all born in Ayrshire, Scotland. I don't know the name of the parish or the city. The names of the children were Mary McCANDLISH (b. 1803); Jean/Jane (b. abt 1810); Thomas (b. abt 1818); maybe Charles; and maybe Eliza (b. abt 1826). After 1847, the couple moved to the Boston MA area, USA. Any help in finding the marriage record of Thomas and Jean in Ayrshire would be very much appreciated. Thanks. Cecilia

Hi Ken, Your interpretation could well be correct however another interpretation could be "Middle field", 'larg' being field and 'menoch' from meadhonach meaning middle. Dewar in his book on Scottish placenames gives Kerrimenoch on the neighbouring island of Bute as being the Monk's Quarter but other historians give it as Middle quarter and that would tie in with early land subdivisions. There being 3 "largy" farms in the vicinity of this one my pick would be middle but...... Religious sites more often than not started with the generic element "Kil" in the name Kilmory, Kilbride etc but that too can be misleading as Cul (back) or Coille (wood) tend to have evolved to Kil as well. Because Gaelic placenames have been so corrupted and anglicised over the centuries, one really has to go back to the earliest land records and translate those rather than modern ones. Not always easy of course! Cheers, Bill Subject: [AYR] Lergimenoch Isle of Arran No idea and I've been to Arran a few times but here's a guess. I don't think it was a farm or village in fact I guess that it may have been a church or an ecclesiastical area at least in very early times. This is because in Gaelic menoch means MONK. For example a farm where my ancestors came from is called Auchmannoch which means fields of the monks. Could Lergi mean Clergy? Or perhaps translated clergy of the Monks? Don't pay too much attention to this because as I say it's a wild guess but if I were you I would be looking at religious sites on Arran. I will be interested to see what other Ayrshire folk come up with! Ken 0-

No idea and I've been to Arran a few times but here's a guess. I don't think it was a farm or village in fact I guess that it may have been a church or an ecclesiastical area at least in very early times. This is because in Gaelic menoch means MONK. For example a farm where my ancestors came from is called Auchmannoch which means fields of the monks. Could Lergi mean Clergy? Or perhaps translated clergy of the Monks? Don't pay too much attention to this because as I say it's a wild guess but if I were you I would be looking at religious sites on Arran. I will be interested to see what other Ayrshire folk come up with! Ken

There is also Ballymeanoch, where my kin lived.... Edward R Paxton ________________________________ From: Ken & Alice Brown <jumbobrown@optusnet.com.au> To: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 June, 2010 15:54:59 Subject: [AYR] Lergimenoch Isle of Arran No idea and I've been to Arran a few times but here's a guess. I don't think it was a farm or village in fact I guess that it may have been a church or an ecclesiastical area at least in very early times. This is because in Gaelic menoch means MONK. For example a farm where my ancestors came from is called Auchmannoch which means fields of the monks. Could Lergi mean Clergy? Or perhaps translated clergy of the Monks? Don't pay too much attention to this because as I say it's a wild guess but if I were you I would be looking at religious sites on Arran. I will be interested to see what other Ayrshire folk come up with! Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And East Bennan where my McKirdy kin lived Judy in BC Can -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of EDWARD PAXTON Sent: June-15-10 10:28 AM To: Ken & Alice Brown; AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Lergimenoch Isle of Arran There is also Ballymeanoch, where my kin lived.... Edward R Paxton ________________________________ From: Ken & Alice Brown <jumbobrown@optusnet.com.au> To: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 June, 2010 15:54:59 Subject: [AYR] Lergimenoch Isle of Arran No idea and I've been to Arran a few times but here's a guess. I don't think it was a farm or village in fact I guess that it may have been a church or an ecclesiastical area at least in very early times. This is because in Gaelic menoch means MONK. For example a farm where my ancestors came from is called Auchmannoch which means fields of the monks. Could Lergi mean Clergy? Or perhaps translated clergy of the Monks? Don't pay too much attention to this because as I say it's a wild guess but if I were you I would be looking at religious sites on Arran. I will be interested to see what other Ayrshire folk come up with! Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2939 - Release Date: 06/14/10 23:35:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jancelt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14001.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A charter of 1502-3 mentions 'the three Largs' i.e. Largybeg, -meanoch, -more. They are also mentioned in the Retours of 1609. John Burrell's Arran Journals (1770) has spelling 'Largiemainoch'. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Leerhann Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1479.1557.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am of the same family as you. My branch came to Australia in 1864. Daniel Archbald b 1797 was a half brother to my 5th G Grandfather John Archibald b 1755. Daniel was from the third marriage. John from the first. They were both born at Knockandon, Ayrshire. Daniel m Mary Easdale they had four children one of whom was Robert who married Margaret Wylie. When Robert died she went to NZ. I have spent many years researching our family. Hope this helps. Ann Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jancelt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14001.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you can lay your hands on an Ordnance Survey map (Landranger No. 69), you'll find it 'Largymeanoch' at NS049244, between Whiting Bay and Dippen (and between Largymore and Largybeg, as the name implies). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BillMcKinlay12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14001.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Most Gaelic place names wound up being spelt a dozen different ways. On the ordinance survey map at http://www.nls.uk/maps/os/view/?sid=74400769 you will find "Largymeanoch" on the south-eastern coast of Arran beside Whiting Bay. In the 1870s there were 3 small farms there, one of 8, one of 15 and one of 40 acres Bill Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kay1707 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14001.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Largymeanoch is an area of coastal strip which lies between Largymore and Largybeg on Arran - along the present day A841 road south of Whiting Bay. You can see it clearly marked on the 1st edition Ordnance Survey map freely available online from the National Library of Scotland (zoom in on Arran from http://geo.nls.uk/os6inch/google.html). On the detailed OS map it looks like a collection of dispersed crofts rather than a nucleated settlement such as a village. Best wishes, Kay in Edinburgh Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jparham304 Surnames: Shaw Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14001/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have seen the location Lergimenoch, Isle of Arran mentioned with the Shaw family who migrated to Wilmington, NC area in later 1700s. But I cannot find any other historical reference to such a locale. Does anyone have anything on such a location or reasonable facsimile thereof? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Dear Listers, I am trying to find some information on a George CAMPBELL b 1838/39 at Mauchline, Ayrshire Scotland. He married Catherine STRATHDEE. He is not in the 1881 census for Ayrshire and the children are farmed out with other Strathdee family. His wife died in 1874. George was a Box Maker I have since found on the 1881 census for Canada 2 George CAMPBELL's and wondered if anyone was researching this family. The two entries are: George CAMPBELL b abt 1839 Scotland , Married, Farmer. Household Head. Presbyterian. Census Place : Bentinck Grey South ONTARIO George CAMPBELL b abt 1839 (42 yrs) married, Machinist. Scottish. C Presbyterian. St David's Ward. Toronto. York, ONTARIO Hoping someone can help. Many thanks Chris

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ChristopherLewis10 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13718.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James, I taught at Cambusdoon for one year 1956 - 1957. I was studying for a degree in geology and was using some of the facilities at Glasgow University. To earn my keep for two years, I taught. I really wanted to teach at Belmont House in Newton Mearns which was a day school closer to Glasgow and in 1957, I did move there but I was very close to all the people at Cambusdoon. I do have one photograph, which I hope that I can find, at the swimming pool when we were having the school swimming sports in 1957. I could scan this and send it to you. I do remember Colin Carswell. I lilve in California and have done so for many years. Christopher Lewis Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Listers, I recollect someone wanting to locate Widton and I can't find that email to reply. Didn't anticipate finding any useful information. On a birth registration page from scotland's people, for the parish of Old Cumnock, one of the entries is for a birth where the location is named as Midton. Posting here because it seems likely to me that the place sought could be Midton - not Widton. Regards, Judy in BC Can

Page 98 The whilk day Adam Obeak and Jonate Smith being somoned as suspect of fornication wer called both of them confessing the same wer ordained to acknowledge their sin before the congregation thrie several saboth dayes which they did Session Januar 25 1655 The whilk day Alexr Mongersland being somoned severall tymes for drunknes was called and compeared deneying the same the witnesses being admitted against which he had no exception first Johne Walace depons that Alexr Mongersland was drunk and sensles in his drunknes the session finding his drunknes proven ordained him to acknowledge his sin of drunknes from the publick place before the congregation two several dayes as relapse in that sinn Delations Bessie Bone for railing on the ministers and elders John Mourchland and Jonat Gilmor as suspect of fornication The whilk day Bessie Bone being sumoned for railing agt the ministers and elders was called and compeared confessing the same and because hir fault was private the session thought fit to rebuik hir sharplie and to put hir to a publick confession befor the congregation The whilk day John Mourchland and Jonat Gilmour being somoned as suspect of fornication wer called and compeared both of them denying fornication it is referred to further probation Delations Marrion Steel for selling drink upon the saboth day to a number of young lads William Smith John Adam John Smith James Hockard John Ryburne Thomas Ross with sundrie others Session Feb 9 1655 The whilk day Johne Mourchland and Jonate Gilmur being somoned as suspect of fornication wer called and compeared not are ordained to be somoned pro 2do and in the meane tyme the elders of the quarter to deal with them for bringing of them to a confession of their sin The whilk day Marren Steel Servitrix to Johne Rosse skinner being somoned for entertaining young boys in the house to the profanation of the lords day by selling drink to them was called and compeared confessing hir scandalouse caridge in this the session ordains hir to acknowledge hir offence from the publick place before the congregation which she did

I am looking for any information on the following sisters . They are the daughters of William Ritchie and Agnes Dunlop of Witch Road Kilmarnock. William was a partner in the engineering firm of Grant Ritchie of Townholm Kilmarnock. The daughters are Agnes Ritchie b 22th nov 1865 Margaret Ritchie b 3rd Nov 1867 Mary Ritchie b 19thfeb 1870 Janet Ritchie b 9th feb 1872 Jennie Ritchie b 1875 All girls were born in Kilmarnock. I would love to find out if these girls married and to whom. Any information would be appreciated Regards Alan Ritchie Gore New Zealand

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jcyoung238 Surnames: McCrone Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14000/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for any help on John McCrone born 1894 in Lowther, Westmorland. Had a son William McCrone born 1838 Waitermillock Cumberland Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Mike Thanks for that. I had already surmised that James Howat would have worked at Rowallan as I was born in Kilmarnock and am reasonably familiar with the surrounding area. When I was an apprentice electrician in Kilmarnock two employees from my electrical employer were removed from Rowallan after the owner surprised them having a fencing duel with swords taken from the suits of armour. Those were the days! Cheers John From: mikejboyd@bigpond.com To: farguesonn@hotmail.com; ayrshire-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Howat in Fenwick Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:48:53 +1000 John Your James H may have worked for the Rowallan Estate. Not sure how you you would find their records these days? Grave # 116 By Jasper Howat, father Robert Howat died 13 Dec 1797 aged 60 years, mother Elizabeth Wyllie died 21 jan 1773 aged 23 years, 2 children died in infancy; Jasper died 13 April 1849 aged 80 years, wife Elizabeth Young died 27 Nov 1862 ages 69 years. GRave # 114 Matthew Howat died 9 Oct 1784 ages 91 years, wife Jean Finlay died 27 Dec 1761 aged 70 years, John Muir died 1775 ages 93 years, Matthew Muir, shoemaker, died 2 Dec 1813 ages 75 years. Hope that this help you Mike Boyd _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/

John Your James H may have worked for the Rowallan Estate. Not sure how you you would find their records these days? Grave # 116 By Jasper Howat, father Robert Howat died 13 Dec 1797 aged 60 years, mother Elizabeth Wyllie died 21 jan 1773 aged 23 years, 2 children died in infancy; Jasper died 13 April 1849 aged 80 years, wife Elizabeth Young died 27 Nov 1862 ages 69 years. GRave # 114 Matthew Howat died 9 Oct 1784 ages 91 years, wife Jean Finlay died 27 Dec 1761 aged 70 years, John Muir died 1775 ages 93 years, Matthew Muir, shoemaker, died 2 Dec 1813 ages 75 years. Hope that this help you Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ferguson To: mikejboyd@bigpond.com Cc: ayrshire-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: RE: [AYR] Howat in Fenwick Mike I have James Howat born 1817 Kirkmahoe, Dumfriesshire died 20 Dec 1867 Fenwick James was a gamekeeper married to Helen Clark 1834 Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire His father was also a gamekeeper married to Jean Maxwell I have no further information but was wondering if this was one of the two Howat graves that you mentioned. John Australia > From: mikejboyd@bigpond.com > To: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:48:39 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AYR] Howat in Fenwick > > I am not a member of Ancestry so can't sen this back to that group > > However in the Fenwich Churchyard book there are two Howatt graves - # 116, > MIGHT BE THE FATHER but more likely the grandfather of this couple and in > grave #114,it would appear to be the father of grave # 116 FROM THE AGES ON > THE GRAVES. > > However, this will not prove the link but only give you some other possible > avenues of research. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find it at CarPoint.com.au New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private?

Mike I have James Howat born 1817 Kirkmahoe, Dumfriesshire died 20 Dec 1867 Fenwick James was a gamekeeper married to Helen Clark 1834 Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire His father was also a gamekeeper married to Jean Maxwell I have no further information but was wondering if this was one of the two Howat graves that you mentioned. John Australia > From: mikejboyd@bigpond.com > To: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:48:39 +1000 > Subject: Re: [AYR] Howat in Fenwick > > I am not a member of Ancestry so can't sen this back to that group > > However in the Fenwich Churchyard book there are two Howatt graves - # 116, > MIGHT BE THE FATHER but more likely the grandfather of this couple and in > grave #114,it would appear to be the father of grave # 116 FROM THE AGES ON > THE GRAVES. > > However, this will not prove the link but only give you some other possible > avenues of research. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane _________________________________________________________________ New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/