This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sharpi52 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14019.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Im trying to track Mary Mantell's father & mother down. Her father David MANTELL m Mary HAMILTON. Thats all I have unfortunately. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sharpi Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sharpi52 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14019.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thankyou for your help, Im a novice at family history research. Sharpi Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks Janet, and everyone else who replied to my posting. I'll contact these FHS and see if they know about my ancestor, or if I can become a member and learn more.  Hopefully they'll accept air mail, as I've had trouble with online transactions and would like to try paying with international coupons.  Regards Richard 

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: iain19ca Surnames: Gemmell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1.698.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have some information on the family tree of Wiiliam Gemmell (my GGGF)who married Agnes Law in St Quivox on 26 July 1839. I would be interested to find out if he is the son of James Gemmell and Jean Bruce. Interestingly my father has always said that he believed that his grandfather was a freeman of Newton. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Richard, >Is there a family history group in Ayreshire whom I could contact >with local queries? Troon@Ayrshire FHS, East Ayrshire FHS, Largs FHS and Alloway FHS. Have a look at their web sites to see which would be most appropriate for you. It would be worth your while joining as other members are usually very helpful in answering queries. Janet

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jecroft Surnames: JONES Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14019.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Here is this family in the 1851-1891 census. I do not find either parent in the 1901 census. 1851 Census Kilmarnock, Ayrshire Household Members: Name Age David Jones 22 Mary Jones 16 (b Glasgow) ================ 1861 Census East Kilbride, Lanarkshire Household Members: Name Age David Jones 33 Mary Jones 26 Marion Jones 10 (b. Kilmarnock, Ayrshire) Sophia Jones 1 (b. East Kilbride) ================== 1871 Census Kilmaurs, Ayrshire Household Members: Name Age David Jones 42 Mary Jones 36 Sophie Jones 11 John Jones 8 (b. East Kilbride) Cathrine Jones 5 (b. East Kilbride) David Jones 3 (grandson b. East Kilbride) (son of Marion Jones, b. 10 Aug 1867) Mary Jones 11 (b Kilmaurs) [age should prob be 11 mos] ================== 1881 Census Dreghorn, Ayrshire Household Members: Name Age David Jones 53 Mary Jones 46 Sophia Jones 21 John Jones 18 Mary Jones 10 David Jones 13 Helen Jones 6 (grandaughter b Kilmaurs, Ayrshire) Andrew Jones 2 (grandson b Nitshill, Renfrewshire) William Burnie 18 ================= 1891 Census Dreghorn, Ayrshire Household Members: Name Age David Jones 63 Mary Jones 56 David Jones 23 Ellen Jones 17 Andrew Jones 12 Fancy Wilson 7 (grandaughter b Govan, Lanarkshire) ---- Jo-Ann Croft Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have been directed to this database because some of my ancestors are in there. The reference I was given was Dreghorn 1872-1885 Film No ? 21707883 Does anyone have access to this information? Apparently Judy and Angus KYLES (she died 1873 he died 1872) have been given money and are noted in these records. I would love to have a copy of this information if possible. Glenda

Helen Have you tried to get his records from the Public Records Office at Kew London. This may help you to find out wherre he was stationed over time and therefore to search were their children were born. Mike Boyd brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Shipley" <natbrent@fastmail.fm> To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:13 PM Subject: [AYR] Arbuckle LAWSON 1788-1837 > Dear listers > > I am researching a close friends' ancestry and have got back as far as > Arbuckle LAWSON and have found the following information on ancestry, > which I am very unsure of, as there is no source given, plus I cannot > find the parish either. I have looked on Scotlandspeople and some otehr > sites but without much success so far, although I have been able to > verify a lot of the other data. I would also appreciate comments on the > possible origin of the forename, and the parish, as detailed below. > Thanks, in advance for any assistance with this. > > I would be glad of any help or advice regarding this, as I don't like > including information that I cannot verify. > > Arbuckle LAWSON Birth 1788 in Rilmamock, Ayrshire, Scotland > > I am wondering if the parish is actually Kilmarnock but I am sure you > will know much better than I. > > I do know that Arbuckle (also given as Arbucle and even Archibald) > married Helen (aka Ellen and Eleanor), probable surname DOIG. He was in > the Royal Artillery and there is reference to his father being in the > same regiment, in a book about the history of the R.A. Band. Arbuckle's > son, James, was a very famous musician in the R.A. Band and I found lots > of information about him, from reliable sources. I am thinking that > 'Arbuckle' is likely to have been the surname of an ancestor and have > found this sort of naming before, in my husband's Scottish ancestry. > Does that seem a reasonable hypothesis? >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sharpi52 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14019/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Im looking for info on Mary MANTELL who m 31/5/1850 David JONES b1825 Ayreshire. Ive found only one son - John Jones b1863 Kilmours Ayreshire who married Janel Cuthbert McVicor in 1899. They had Hugh McVicor Jones b1903, David Jones, Helsn Nellie Jones John, Mary Mantell Jones b13/8/1905 m Frank Lesie Cox. Stuck on this one. sharpi Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Glenda The Troon & Ayrshire Family History Society have transcribe the REGISTER OF APPLICATIONS FOR POOR RELIEF IN THE PARISH OF DREGHORN, AYRSHIRE. Looking through the transcriptions listed I have copied the Kyle notes but didn't find Angus or Judy. Hope these may help you. Linda Nordby http://www.troonayrshirefhs.org.uk/dreghorn.html James KYLE Record No. 1; applied 11 March 1872 at 3 pm; residence: Warwickhill Rows; born in Scotland; married aged 45; occupation - miner; wholly disabled meantime. Dependants: wife Catherine Crawford, 40, James Kyle 17, Robert Kyle 15, William Kyle 12, John Kyle, 10, Janet Kyle 8, Jeanie Kyle 4, Thomas Kyle 1-1/12. This man applied for funeral expenses for his daughter Catherine who died on 10 March 1872, he being unable to work for the last 2 years from miners asthma, he being only 3 weeks in the parish, prior in Dalry about 20 years, claim is made on Dalry in respect of residence. First application. Result - 27 March paid funeral expenses and claimed on Dalry which admitted. James KYLE Record No 14 Applied 9 May 1872 at 10 am. Residence No. 19 Six Rows; born Paisley, Scotland; married aged 45; occupation - coalminer; religion - Protestant. This man applies for funeral expenses for his son he having applied on 11 March last for funeral expenses for a daughter. Dalry admitted liability and paid the claim Claim is again made on Dalry. One previous application on 11 Mar 1872. Result - Allowed coffin and grave. Catherine Crawford or Kyle Record No. 127. Applied on 7 July 1875 at 6 pm. Residence No. 5 Overton Rows; born in Dalry, Scotland; a widow aged 43; religion protestant; disability - burdened with young children. Dependants: Janet Kyle 12, Jane Kyle 7, Adam Kyle 3. This woman's settlement appears to be in Dalry. Claim is made on that parish. Two previous applications - 11 Mar 1872, 9 May 1872. Application refused - family able to support her. Catherine Crawford or Kyle Record No. 260. Applied on 17 Dec 1877 at 2 pm. Residence 21 Overton Row; born in Dalry, Scotland; a widow aged 45; religion protestant; not disabled. Dependants: Jane Kyle 9 yr 9 mth, Adam Kyle 5 yr Family - not dependant - Agnes 26 married in Australia, James 24 married with one child, Robert 21 single, William 19 single, John 17 single, Janet 15 single at service. Second application. Refused - family able to support her -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Our Trees Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:01 PM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Ayrshire Poor Relief Database I have been directed to this database because some of my ancestors are in there. The reference I was given was Dreghorn 1872-1885 Film No ? 21707883 Does anyone have access to this information? Apparently Judy and Angus KYLES (she died 1873 he died 1872) have been given money and are noted in these records. I would love to have a copy of this information if possible. Glenda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard There are three. One for North Ayrshire, East Ayrshire and South Ayrshire areas Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <gerard_drew@yahoo.com.au> To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:40 AM Subject: [AYR] Peter Hawkins Hello listers Thank you for your replies, I'll follow them up. Is there a family history group in Ayreshire whom I could contact with local queries? Thank you Richard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear listers I am researching a close friends' ancestry and have got back as far as Arbuckle LAWSON and have found the following information on ancestry, which I am very unsure of, as there is no source given, plus I cannot find the parish either. I have looked on Scotlandspeople and some otehr sites but without much success so far, although I have been able to verify a lot of the other data. I would also appreciate comments on the possible origin of the forename, and the parish, as detailed below. Thanks, in advance for any assistance with this. I would be glad of any help or advice regarding this, as I don't like including information that I cannot verify. Arbuckle LAWSON Birth 1788 in Rilmamock, Ayrshire, Scotland I am wondering if the parish is actually Kilmarnock but I am sure you will know much better than I. I do know that Arbuckle (also given as Arbucle and even Archibald) married Helen (aka Ellen and Eleanor), probable surname DOIG. He was in the Royal Artillery and there is reference to his father being in the same regiment, in a book about the history of the R.A. Band. Arbuckle's son, James, was a very famous musician in the R.A. Band and I found lots of information about him, from reliable sources. I am thinking that 'Arbuckle' is likely to have been the surname of an ancestor and have found this sort of naming before, in my husband's Scottish ancestry. Does that seem a reasonable hypothesis? I won't add more here, except to mention that I have been helped greatly already by some other researchers, on ancestry, to whom I am greatly indebted, as they amassed a wealth of information - there are always more quetions though aren't there? That's one of the things I love about genealogy and hsitorical research. Helen

First, let me apologize for a short memory. Did I see a query to this group about people going from Ireland to Glasgow and, specifically, a William Rennie? I didn't give it a lot of thought, and it didn't ring any bells. This evening, however, I came across the following in my files on the Linns/Lynns of Scotland: On 1 April 1814, banns were proclaimed or a marriage performed for Helen Linn and William Rennie in Currie Parish, Midlothian. Loretta

Hello listers Thank you for your replies, I'll follow them up.  Is there a family history group in Ayreshire whom I could contact with local queries? Thank you Richard 

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: campbellizzy Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/679.1227.1590.1591.1574.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, realise this was posted a long time ago but here goes anyway. I have an Annie McCann in my tree - my great Grandmother born in 1860 in Derry. She was the daughter of Hugh McCann and Nancy McNaught. She did have a sister who went to the States because my mother (who was only 5 when Annie died in 1937) remembers her telling her that she went to the States to meet her sister and only recognised her because of her tiny hands and feet. Anyway Annie must have returned to Scotland because she was married to William McLeod at Greenock in November 1885. I have more information and some photos if you are interested. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Richard, You may find some information at these sites : http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_I GI.asp&clear_form=true http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ Last one is pay-per-view - very reasonable - the site for official Scottish records. Other two are free, but are indexes and/or transcriptions, not originals. HTH Pat "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots Toast -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 19 July 2010 05:21 To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Peter Hawkins Hello I am searching for info on my great great grandfather Peter Hawkins.  This is all I know about him, from all sources I have searched and from his children's certificates. 1)  Born about 1823 2)  Born at Ayr 3)  Came to New South Wales before 1849. 4)  Possibly came with family (see brother William below) 5)  Married Susan Jones in Bathurst NSW on 30.10.1849. 6)  Was Presbyterian 7)  Had nine children over the next 15 years. 8)  Worked as a carpenter (was also a farmer and a publican) 9)  A William Hawkins had a daughter, Jane, at the same residence as Peter, named The Rocks, Bathurst, in 1865.  Possibly a brother 10) No death certificate.  Listed in Electoral Rolls until mid-1880s. I'm wondering if someone could please look up parish registers for Ayr for 1820-1830 to see if there is a birth of Peter or William or other evidence of this family? I would like to write to Ayr, if there are any kind researchers there, by airmail with stamps, as this would give me something from Ayr, and I have not had much luck with online transactions.  Thank you Richard Hawkins gerard_drew@yahoo.com

Many thanks to Jim Bundy for taking on the transcription of these records. A challenge for sure. Given the amount of surnames mentioned in the burial records this work will be helpful to us all. I have read through it three times now and thoroughly captivated by the amount of information given. Thanks so much Jim for all you contribute to the Ayrshire Mailing List. Best regards, Linda Nordby Researching Ayrshire's: Logan, Love, Reid, McKean, Frew, Kilpatrick, Kerr, Pennal, Yuille, Kerr, Robertson, Ross. McHarg, Caldwell. -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bundy Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:24 PM To: Rootsweb Ayrshire Subject: [AYR] Fenwick Burials 1654-58 Hi Listers, My thanks to Ken Cuthbertson for giving me the opportunity to take a stab at transcribing these records. The pages are in poor shape, darkening to quite black in places, and missing the edges on many, but much useful information is still readable, albeit in that old style of writing, "secretary hand" with some old Scottish terms and occasionally in Latin. As always I want to encourage any sharing of ideas you might have on this.

I am looking for any record of William Kirkpatrick, b. 1620 Kirkmichael, County Ayrshire, Scotland. Sandra T. Casey

Richard Have you looked at the 1841 Ceusus for Ayrshire? Secondly does NSW show any passenger lsits for the 1840's? Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <gerard_drew@yahoo.com.au> To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 2:20 PM Subject: [AYR] Peter Hawkins Hello I am searching for info on my great great grandfather Peter Hawkins. This is all I know about him, from all sources I have searched and from his children's certificates. 1) Born about 1823 2) Born at Ayr 3) Came to New South Wales before 1849. 4) Possibly came with family (see brother William below) 5) Married Susan Jones in Bathurst NSW on 30.10.1849. 6) Was Presbyterian 7) Had nine children over the next 15 years. 8) Worked as a carpenter (was also a farmer and a publican) 9) A William Hawkins had a daughter, Jane, at the same residence as Peter, named The Rocks, Bathurst, in 1865. Possibly a brother 10) No death certificate. Listed in Electoral Rolls until mid-1880s. I'm wondering if someone could please look up parish registers for Ayr for 1820-1830 to see if there is a birth of Peter or William or other evidence of this family? I would like to write to Ayr, if there are any kind researchers there, by airmail with stamps, as this would give me something from Ayr, and I have not had much luck with online transactions. Thank you Richard Hawkins gerard_drew@yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: susandun Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6399.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Anne, thanks so much for that. Don't have much at all on the Wylies I'm afraid. I have 2 or 3 who at the moment are unconnected but like everyone else in Ayrshire farms at the time are probably connected on way or another! I have: Andrew W m Jean Donald and have 3 children so far for them, William about 1805, Mary 28/7/1833 and Jean about 1809. Andrew farmed at Munnoch, Dalry. I don't have anything further on William Jean married John Kerr who was son of either John K and Jean Boyle or John K and Jean Chalmers. Jean Wylie died on 5th July 1835. Mary married James Spier, a son of my GGGG Grandparents Robert Spier and Martha Dunlop. She died at Dalry in Feb 1885. I also have a John Wylie who m Martha Kirkwood in 1838, she was the widow of Robert Robertson. Robert's elder brother Hugh was my GGG grandfather and his wife Jean was another child of Robert Spier and Martha Dunlop. John Wylie and Martha Kirkwood were farming at Holehouse, Dunlop in 1841 with her Robertson children from her first marraige and their I year old twins Martha and John. At the moment I don't have any connection between 1. Andrew Wylie and Jean Donald and the three children I have for them. 2. Margaret Wylie who m Robert Kerr 3. John Wylie who m Martha Kirkwood but maybe there is one...... Also re your original posting at the top of the page: Jean and Jane are totally interchangeable in Scotland right up to the early 1900s, as were Janet/Jessie and sometimes even Jenny (I had an Aunty Jenny who was actually Janet but I never ever heard her called that). Re info on the parishes you are interested in for the late 1700s and early 1800s, if you go to this site http://edina.ac.uk/stat-acc-scot/ you can read the Old and New Statistical accounts of scotland. These are parish by parish reports, written by the local minister, of the conditions, lifestyle etc etc in the parish at the time and some of them are very detailed. The old one is from the late 1700s and the new one from the 1830s, more or less. It gives you the date in the report for each parish. You don't need to be a subscriber, click on the bit that says for non subscribers "browse scanned pages" and then choose the parish you want and the old or new account. Also don't knnow if you know but the horse tax records for Scotland are now available online. You will find them here: http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital_volumes/dv.php?dv_id=62 They don't give a lot of info, the name of farmer, name of farm and number of horses, but I've foound it very useful to establish that people were at a certain farm before 1841. Got my Kerr's sorted out by the way,and he two wives of my G Grandfather WERE related! Hope this lot helps S Hope that helps Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.