This week I found on Scotlandspeople the birth record for a family member. The last line of this birth record, written faintly, is the marriage record of her parents. According to these records, she was born 9 months after the marriage in 1813. From what I have been told, other family researchers did not know her father had even married as he spent most of his time in the Army in India. Has anyone else run into this type of birth/marriage record? Given British Army records, Cadet 1813, looks to me like he joined the Army soon after the pregnancy. Elaine Sharp

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nickiinaboat Surnames: Davidson Kelly Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14036/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am a Davidson and would love to find a few more, any Davidsons there now would be amazing. My gr.grandad and his father both worked in the Dynamite factory. This is around the middle to end of the 19th Century. (i have the dates, only not to hand). Also Annie Kelly, from Ireland, pretty sure there was only one Kelly family in Stevenston at the time from looking at 1819/22 Landsborough lists, we think they were from Ireland though not sure. I'll share all the info i have, message me at Nicki_in_a_boat@live.co.uk it might take me a while but i will reply. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pscurl Surnames: Downie, Stewart Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14035/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a positive birthdate of 13 Feb 1905 for Jean Stewart and a deathdate of 12 Nov 1960 in Connecticut, USA. They had 3 children, the first of whom may or may not have been fathered by Thomas. There children are Olive, Jim and Albert. Olive tells that she was born in County Ayrshire on the ship's passenger list I was able to find. I am trying to find a marriage record for Thomas and Jean to positively identify their parents and then hopefully going back one more generation if possible. Any help anyone could give would be greatly appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks, Heather. from all I have been able to ascertain, William Brown and his wife Janet had only 1 child, a daughter, who came to the US after Janet's death and, although, the daughter's 2 children were born in Stewarton, they also settled in the US. Elaine Sacramento CA USA On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Heather Grimwood < heather.grimwood@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > yes..farms in Dunlop/Stewarton area...there will be some material in Dick Institute Kilmarnock and the 19th cent family can be found in Stewarton census's > Thanks, Heather. I am not familiar withthe sames you have noted. Are they places? Our Wyllie family was Picketlaw. > > Elaine > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Heather Grimwood < heather.grimwood@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > Andrew BROWN"S line is well documented from Gabrochill...Blacklaw...Lainshaw properties etc....Heather

With much thanks, I have found out more about the William Brown, born Dec.29, 1795, I am researching. He is the son of Andrew Brown, writer and Margaret Gemmil. I know there are Brown and Gemmil researchers on this list and wonder if you might have him in your genealogy. Elaine Sharp

http://www.mcintyre.demon.co.uk/local/localp.htm Hello Pam, Not sure if you received any info on your request regarding the Freeman, the above site will help and I have copied some info below from the interent. All the best Linda Nordby "Since the earliest records of the Burgh, the institution known as the Freemen of the Burgh has exited. These Freemen more or less owned and ruled Prestwick. The number of Freemen appears to have varies over the years, there being 25 listed in 1559 and between 70 and 80 in 1470. The number was later fixed at 36, and each Freeman had a share of the Burgh lands. In 1834, the division of lands was described as "each share of 'freedom' consists of 14 to 16 acres; seven acres of each being arable - the rest pasture, being what was formerly called common, and consisted of whins and heath and sandy bent hills, interspersed with patches of green hollows, principally adapted to grazing young cattle." "The Freeman had great powers - by Charter they were granted 'special and full power to the burgess and freemen of making, constituting and creating a provost, bailies, deacons of trade etc' Their powers included 'levy tolls, holding burgh court, punishing transgressors and making and retaining acts, laws and statutes for the observation of good order within the burgh.' Interestingly a Freeman could be committed to prison, but could not be locked in. If however he came out before his time he lost his freedom. Prestwick Public School was opened in 1882 and was extended in 1905. The Freemen continued in operation until 1903 when the Burgh became a Police Burgh and the affairs were supervised by a Provost, 4 Baillies and 7 Councillors." -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PMR Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:57 PM To: AYRSHIRE Mailing List Subject: [AYR] Freemen of Newton-on-Ayr Hello Listers Can someone tell me where I would find the year when the system of Freemen of Newton-on-Ayr began? Also, is there a List someone of the holders of this office? Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elaine, Another good one is - http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/ if you are not a member of the National Library of Australia - easy - join on line. Licensed resource - Gale Group (I usually go through Times) And for memory I think it is the 17th & 18th Century Burney Collection that has a lot of bmd/s and other info from India and other places - mainly major's or equally high ranking soldiers. Good luck Pat -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bellemarco@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2010 10:24 AM To: Rootsweb Ayrshire Subject: Re: [AYR] Major 69 Bengal N. I. I want to thank the listers that responded to this plea. I have now have some avenues to research for our William Brown who was with the Bengal Native Infantry and am hoping to maybe find how when he served and when and where he died. Thank you again. Elaine Sharp ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elaine, This is the Bengal Native Infantry. You can find genealogical records in the British Library family search catalogue. Also, google FIBIS....they have many Indian records. You might also consider Google Books....there are many records (downloadable) in there, concerning the Bengal NI. You might also consider joining the India List on Rootsweb and/or searching the archive for that list. There's stacks of stuff in there. Cheers, Lynne. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: <bellemarco@gmail.com> To: "Rootsweb Ayrshire" <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: [AYR] Major 69 Bengal N. I. >I found the death record for my Janet Brown and it says she is the widow of > Major William Brown of 69 Bengal NI Can anyone tell me more about this 69 > Bengal N. I or where I could find info on it? > > Thank you. > Elaine Sharp > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to thank the listers that responded to this plea. I have now have some avenues to research for our William Brown who was with the Bengal Native Infantry and am hoping to maybe find how when he served and when and where he died. Thank you again. Elaine Sharp

Hi Elaine, Glad you found her death. A quick Google using - 69 Bangal NI - produces this amongst others http://www.ordersofbattle.darkscape.net/site/cimh/india/bengalarmy1857.html I think we are looking at the Indian Army (India was part of the Commonwealth at the time (?)) and probably the Crimean War. I'm sure you'll find more! regards Pat "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots Toast Check out my website www.angusancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bellemarco@gmail.com Sent: 30 August 2010 23:47 To: Rootsweb Ayrshire Subject: [AYR] Major 69 Bengal N. I. I found the death record for my Janet Brown and it says she is the widow of Major William Brown of 69 Bengal NI Can anyone tell me more about this 69 Bengal N. I or where I could find info on it? Thank you. Elaine Sharp ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found the death record for my Janet Brown and it says she is the widow of Major William Brown of 69 Bengal NI Can anyone tell me more about this 69 Bengal N. I or where I could find info on it? Thank you. Elaine Sharp

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fionabrown45 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14034.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for your help Fiona Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JulieTyrell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14034.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi On Scotlandspeople there is a Mary Donaldson (other names: Guthrie) dying in 1967 in Ayr, Ayrshire. She was 77. regards Julie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fionabrown45 Surnames: Guthrie/Donaldson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14034/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary Guthrie married Walter John Donaldson and lived in Glasgow until Walter died in 1964. I understand Mary went to Ayrshire to live with her sister whose married name was Watt. Any information would be gratefully received. I am trying to find her burial place. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I promise, no more Society rules after this note. :) Jim Bundy Article 1st. The Club shall meet at Fenwick every second Friday night when a Question on any subject shall be proposed (Doctrines of Religion excepted) which Question is to be discussed in the Club each member taking whatever side he thinks proper. 2nd. The Society being meet the one who presides being chosen the night previous opens the meeting by stateing the subject formerly given out for discussion, those haveing written Essays shall have precedence. 3d. When the President reads from the Society's Book the Question to be discussed the Member next the preses on the right hand shall speak first then the Member next on the other side shall reply and so on till all the Members shall have given there opinions and when a smaller number shall be allowed to reply and so on untill all the opposite side shall have spoken and are answered no person allowed to speak out of his order without leave from the precess. 4th. In the time of a debate one only shall be heard at once and not above fifteen minutes at a time when he shall give place to another and so on until it is finished any majority shall determine what side has the merit of the Question. 5th. When the discussions of the Meeting are finished for night the business of the meeting shall be to choose a President for next meeting when the President or any other Member shall be at liberty to propose any member he thinks fit: if more than one is proposed the one who has the majority of votes will be considered elected. 6th. That all private conversation during the debate shall be strictly prohibited - and all profane and obscene & abusive language shall reproved by the president and if persevered in shall exclude the offender from the Membership of the Society. 7th. That no person shall be allowed to make known any of the Society's debates for the purpose of ridicule or jest out of the Society on pain of exclusion. 8th. Any person applying for Membership will be admited only by consent only of three fourths of the Society: those having objections to admitance of any individual as a member are not required to give his reasons for so doing. 9th. Every person alternately may propose any subject he chooses for the next discussion , which shall be adopted provided his motion meet the approbation of the meeting. 10th. Any Member absenting himself from the Meeting for one night forfits one halfpenny; for two nights, one penny; for three nights, two pence; four nights, exclusion from the Society without giving a reasonable excuse. Abrogated. 11th. That at the close of the debate if any Member have anything valuable to communicate connected with the object of the Society will be at liberty so to do. 12th. No Member who has an Essay the property of the Society for perusal shall be at liberty to give it in loan or otherwise shew it to any person who is not a member of the Society. 13th. That no fundamentall article of the Society can be altered or abrogated, nor any of the Society's funds disposed of for any purpose whatever, without a majority of votes agreeing thereto and passed for two successive nights of regular meeting, nor any new article adopted. Supplementary Articles. Supp to Art. 4. Number of votes on each side of any question to be entered in the minute of meeting and no decision to be given when they are on a par. Supp. To Art. 5th. The President shall have a vote along with the other members, and on a par shall have the casting vote: this applies to all cases except what comes under Article 4th.

I checked Janet (Wyllie) Brown on the 1851 census and it says Annuitant. In 1861 census it says Widow of a Major. I found and ordered on SP a Janet Brown (Ayr Sheriff Court Inventories) that I thought might be her but it says "Janet Brown or Anderson" does that mean this one's maiden name was Anderson (actually the text is a little difficult for me to read). From what I have found her husband's name was William Brown. I am not sure which one she is in 1841, as I do not know if her husband is deceased. Her daughter Janet (Brown) Stevenson is married.This daughter and family are living with her in 1851 and 1861 censuses. Thank you. Elaine Sharp

Hi Jean, "Qlk" and "Whilk" both are written as "which" nowadays. Jim -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean Bunch" <jeanbnch@pacbell.net> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:20 PM To: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 84 > I can guess at most of the terminology but I don't know what "qlk" or > "whilk"mean. Would you please add the explanation to your message. My > ancestors were from Galston. Jean Campbell Bunch > jeanbnch@pacbell.net > > From: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@frontier.com> > To: "Rootsweb Ayrshire" <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:43 PM > Subject: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 84 > > >> Page 107 >> The whilk day compeared Mathew Gemill sone to James Gemill in blackwood >> and >> confessed his profanation by feighting for a seat in the tyme of divine >> service the session des ordaine him to confesse and acknowledge his sinn >> from his own seate before the congregation >> Delations >> Andre Mershall for as suspect again adultery with Jonet Richie >> Jonet Findlay for selling drink late James Gemmill for oppressing some >> people in taking mor of them lude the colour of publick burdens then wes >> dew. Hew Richie aprentise to Jon Parker in Muurkland and Thomas Boyd >> servant >> to Jon Broun in Muurkland for playing at the penny stone on the saboth >> day & >> for breaking ane hous lec the sd day. Agnes Broun wyfe to Robert Broune >> merchant for selling drink late >> Session May 29 1656 >> The qlk day Jonet Findlay being summoned for selling drink Late sundry >> tymes, after severall rebuks by the elders compeiring confessed the same >> the >> session does ordain her to acknowledge her offence out of her seat befor >> the >> congregatione >> The qlk day as to James Gemmills scandalous cariage forsaid the session >> ordains Jon Aird Rot Craufurd Thomas Gemmill Hew Broune to see James >> Gemmill >> in Blackwood make restitution to the parties wronged yt so the scandal >> may >> be taken mutch away & to make report of law diligence >> The qlk day Andrew Mershall being summoned as suspect of adultery was >> called >> & compeiring confessed that he was guilty of fornication with Jonet >> Richie >> she being with chyld to him & yt his wyfe was dead befor he begat yt >> chyld >> The session finding nothing yt might evidence his adultery did ordain him >> to >> acknowledge & confesse the fault in of fornicatione with the said Jonet >> Richie befor the congregation from the publick place three severall >> saboth >> dayes he having given his oath yt the chyld was begotten after his wyfes >> death >> The qlk day Hew Richie & Thomas Boyd being summoned for prophaning the >> Lords >> day by playing at the pennie stone wer called & compearing confessed that >> they plaid at the penny stone on the lords day The session finding them >> to >> be bot young boyes did think fitt to rebuk them sherplie & to exhort them >> to >> bewar the hencfurth of prophaning the lords day >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Page 107 The whilk day compeared Mathew Gemill sone to James Gemill in blackwood and confessed his profanation by feighting for a seat in the tyme of divine service the session des ordaine him to confesse and acknowledge his sinn from his own seate before the congregation Delations Andre Mershall for as suspect again adultery with Jonet Richie Jonet Findlay for selling drink late James Gemmill for oppressing some people in taking mor of them lude the colour of publick burdens then wes dew. Hew Richie aprentise to Jon Parker in Muurkland and Thomas Boyd servant to Jon Broun in Muurkland for playing at the penny stone on the saboth day & for breaking ane hous lec the sd day. Agnes Broun wyfe to Robert Broune merchant for selling drink late Session May 29 1656 The qlk day Jonet Findlay being summoned for selling drink Late sundry tymes, after severall rebuks by the elders compeiring confessed the same the session does ordain her to acknowledge her offence out of her seat befor the congregatione The qlk day as to James Gemmills scandalous cariage forsaid the session ordains Jon Aird Rot Craufurd Thomas Gemmill Hew Broune to see James Gemmill in Blackwood make restitution to the parties wronged yt so the scandal may be taken mutch away & to make report of law diligence The qlk day Andrew Mershall being summoned as suspect of adultery was called & compeiring confessed that he was guilty of fornication with Jonet Richie she being with chyld to him & yt his wyfe was dead befor he begat yt chyld The session finding nothing yt might evidence his adultery did ordain him to acknowledge & confesse the fault in of fornicatione with the said Jonet Richie befor the congregation from the publick place three severall saboth dayes he having given his oath yt the chyld was begotten after his wyfes death The qlk day Hew Richie & Thomas Boyd being summoned for prophaning the Lords day by playing at the pennie stone wer called & compearing confessed that they plaid at the penny stone on the lords day The session finding them to be bot young boyes did think fitt to rebuk them sherplie & to exhort them to bewar the hencfurth of prophaning the lords day

Hi Remember the 1841 census asked for ages of adults to be rounded down...so a 15 year old could be anything from 15 to 19 Irene On 29 August 2010 04:40, "E" Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> wrote: > Nyle, > > Using the site you gave me I found in 1841 census Irvine, Ayrshire, a > William Shields 15, so he was probably born 1826, journeyman > shoemaker, b. Ayrshire living with a Harley family. Maybe this is > him. Is Irvine close to Stewarton? > > Elaine > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JennyMyers61 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14032.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I passed this message to the FRAME family collector that I know.... There were a few Frame couples having children in Ayrshire around the time of this James Frame's birth. There was a James born to Anderson Frame and Hannah aka Nanny Wylie 20 April 1818 at Dunlop, Ayrshire [GROS Ref: 591/0010 0465]. The father's name is shown as Andrew Frame on this child's birth, where on all of his others he is named as Anderson Frame. This is the most likely James that I can find recorded. Another born in Kilmarnock c.1826 immigrated to Australia. Of course, the James this person is searching for may be one of those not recorded! Apart from Anderson Frame and Hannah/Nanny Wylie - the other couple for possible parents may be Anderson Frame's brother Henry Frame and wife Jean Craig. They had 10 children recorded in Dunlop bet. 1797 and 1820. Cheers Julie Contact email - jdf4072 at gmail.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.