Dear Alistair Donald and Friends, Estate papers are likely to be in private hands. However, the National Register of Archives aims to locate such records and 'encourage their care' Last time I checked it, which was some time ago, the register was a series of bound volumes and I see not everything is included in the online catalogue. While still privately owned, some items may be held as gift deposits at Edinburgh or can be got as a temporary deposit on loan. Owners may also refuse requests. The full catalogue can only be consulted in the National Archives of Scotland, the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh and The National Archives in London. NRA Scot http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineRegister/ The NAS has a collection of plans which are catalogued under RHP, which can include estates or farms. Not all are available (eg the estates of Stair and Ballantrae are closed). http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/ I checked this for Barskimming and found an OS-based plan with sale particulars dating from 1914 with open access [NAS RHP5571]. This might answer your question. Apparently there is related material in the Northumberland Record Office (!). Tip: Put RHP in the reference box and make sure you click 'starts' (green spot); in 'search for' put Barskimming and click 'all words'. You can also check the following: Scottish Archive Network http://www.scan.org.uk/catalogue/ Scotland's Places http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/content/index.php?action=view&id=1 National Archives http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ Archives Hub http://archiveshub.ac.uk/ Other useful sites: Gazetteer (general) http://www.scottish-places.info/ NLS online historical maps http://maps.nls.uk/index.html (including a very small number of estate plans). It might be that if you contact the local library for the area directly, or the local authority archives, they will know where the papers or records for an estate are. Best wishes, Kay in Edinburgh

Hi Alistair you could try the Ayrshire Archives in Kilmarnock, they do have a website but cant remember the address, put that in Google. Good luck Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALASTAIR DONALD" <donald_a@btconnect.com> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:15 PM Subject: [AYR] Barskimming Estate, Mauchline > My ancestor, Hugh Donald, was born in 1789 in the parish of Mauchline at > Mosshead Farm to Hugh Donald & Margaret Andrew. > I'd like to find out if the farm was part of the Barskimming Estate and if > there are any estate papers where I might find more information about the > family. > Hugh was later toll-keeper at the Loans Toll in the parish of Dundonald. > Many thanks > Alastair Donald > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Alastair. Yesterday I went to Ayrshire Archives and as Margaret said you may find information on the site re your inquiry as to Barskimming. That was my intent yesterday but was side tracked by the information in regards to Burgesses and Guild members which can be searched through the link below. For those of us looking for early ancestors who may had reason for association in Irvine I was pleased to find two early Jamphra/Jamphray (later Jeffrey and variants) surnames as well as two Frew surnames along with others valuable to my research. Easy search with just the surname needed Good luck Alastair, Linda Nordby Royal Burgh of Irvine List of Burgesses and Guild Brethren 1715-1920 http://www.ayrshirearchives.org.uk/search.asp -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Pools Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 6:28 PM To: ALASTAIR DONALD; AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Barskimming Estate, Mauchline Hi Alistair you could try the Ayrshire Archives in Kilmarnock, they do have a website but cant remember the address, put that in Google. Good luck Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALASTAIR DONALD" <donald_a@btconnect.com> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:15 PM Subject: [AYR] Barskimming Estate, Mauchline > My ancestor, Hugh Donald, was born in 1789 in the parish of Mauchline at > Mosshead Farm to Hugh Donald & Margaret Andrew. > I'd like to find out if the farm was part of the Barskimming Estate and if > there are any estate papers where I might find more information about the > family. > Hugh was later toll-keeper at the Loans Toll in the parish of Dundonald. > Many thanks > Alastair Donald > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elaine The 1750s is a little on the early side for a bible ...but not impossible ...they're more common in the 1800s ....more people could read and write. If you think there was one then it's worth making an effort to find out who in the family has it....and would photograph it for you. The original baptisms for Thomas and Margaret's children ...do they give you an occupation for Thomas and is the place more than just the parish? If all the baptisms took place in the same parish I would be tempted to hire the film from the LDS and trawl through it noting all the Wylies ...of whatever spelling! You might be able to arrange them into families. Then I'd look for memorial inscriptions and burial records (if you are lucky) As for your question ...how do you know if you've got the right one? Well, you can never be absolutely sure. You've got more chance if they were something other than farm labourers or if they had an unusual name. If they had property then they might have left a will. Irene On 18 September 2010 02:52, <bellemarco@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a simple question but I am sure a difficult answer. How do you add > to the family tree further. Case in point - I have Andrew Wyllie b. abt. > 1726-1728 according to a family member who did research years ago. I > have,thus far, not found his marriage record about 1745-1750? to Janet > Wylie.There was a family bible and maybe he got the information from this > bible. > I have found a birth record for a Matthew Wylie s/o Thomas Wylie and > Margaret Stevenson b. 1728. How do I know this is the right Matthew as I do > not know who his parents were. Plus this couple did not name any of their > children Thomas or Margaret. Children I have been able to find > birth/baptism records for are John bapt. 1749, Mary b. 1749, I do not think > they were twins, Robert b. 1750 and Robert b. 1754 (I am assuming the first > one died and they named the next Robert?). The family researcher also lists > a James but I have not found a birth/baptism record for him and he is listed > as married to Mary Wilson. I did find such a marriage but it took > place in 1764 and I am wondering if he was too young to be the right one. > The only one that I have been able to find further info on is the son John, > from whom my niece is descended. So, back to my original question, who do > you know if you have the right person when doing research? This family name > was also spelled Wyllie and any other variation thereof. A puzzlement? > > Elaine Sharp > Sacramento CA USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a simple question but I am sure a difficult answer. How do you add to the family tree further. Case in point - I have Andrew Wyllie b. abt. 1726-1728 according to a family member who did research years ago. I have, thus far, not found his marriage record about 1745-1750? to Janet Wylie. There was a family bible and maybe he got the information from this bible. I have found a birth record for a Matthew Wylie s/o Thomas Wylie and Margaret Stevenson b. 1728. How do I know this is the right Matthew as I do not know who his parents were. Plus this couple did not name any of their children Thomas or Margaret. Children I have been able to find birth/baptism records for are John bapt. 1749, Mary b. 1749, I do not think they were twins, Robert b. 1750 and Robert b. 1754 (I am assuming the first one died and they named the next Robert?). The family researcher also lists a James but I have not found a birth/baptism record for him and he is listed as married to Mary Wilson. I did find such a marriage but it took place in 1764 and I am wondering if he was too young to be the right one. The only one that I have been able to find further info on is the son John, from whom my niece is descended. So, back to my original question, who do you know if you have the right person when doing research? This family name was also spelled Wyllie and any other variation thereof. A puzzlement? Elaine Sharp Sacramento CA USA

Hi Elaine.  Am including 2 registers i have. Perhaps it will help you, as they seemed to be registered w/th same words, depending on who wrote them. "John ARMOUR and Margaret CRAIG both in this parish after lawful proclamation were married 28th April 1794"   "John ARMOUR in High Street and Margaret LORIMER in Waterloo Street, were proclaimed on the three preceding Sabbaths and the extract called for in order to marriage" 4/7 JAN 1844

My ancestor, Hugh Donald, was born in 1789 in the parish of Mauchline at Mosshead Farm to Hugh Donald & Margaret Andrew. I'd like to find out if the farm was part of the Barskimming Estate and if there are any estate papers where I might find more information about the family. Hugh was later toll-keeper at the Loans Toll in the parish of Dundonald. Many thanks Alastair Donald

Also, there are two parishes in Ayrshire that begin "Co" - Colmonell and Coylton. Perhaps the bride and groom both lived in one of those parishes.

Hi Elaine Since no-one appears to have replied to your query, I'll have a go. I suspect you are talking about Old Parish Records pre 1855. I think it will be along the lines of "both of this parish" or maybe the name of the parish. Kay McMeekin Ayrshire

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: imorganic Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14038.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Bonnie. Could not find Hugh but i found: Ontario Deaths: John BOYD, 77, millwright, b. abt 1794, Scotland; d. 18 APR 1871, Town of L???col, Norfolk, Ontario, Canada; film MS935_2 John BOYD, 84, laborer, b. abt 1812, Scot; d. 22 APR 1896, Ennismore(?), Peterborough Co, Ontario; informant: Francis ADAMS, Harvy; film MS935_80 1891 Canada census: Haldimand, Northumberland West, Ontario; ED 99; pg 2; enum 21 APR 1891; family 110; BOYD: John head 73 farmer b. abt 1818, Scot/fb Scot/mb Scot Isabella wife 73 b. abt 1818, Scot/fb Scot/mb Scot Alexander son 26 single b. abt 1865, Ont/fb Scot/mb Scot Wm son 24 farmer mar b. abt 1867, Ont/fb Scot/mb Scot Annie dau 20 mar b. abt 1871, Ont/fb Ont/mb Ont Annie gr dau 3 b. abt 1888, Ont Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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I am trying to read a marriage record on Scotlandspeople and not being familiar with with wording at the end it says "were both of Con---- 20th? Exactly what are they saying? I notice this at the end of most of the marriage records on this page. Thank you. Elaine Sharp

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: labonzzz Surnames: Boy/McLean, Bell, McKinnon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14038/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am searching for any information on the children of John Boyd and Catherine Mclean. Allan b. 1810, John b. 1813, Hugh b.1815, Mary b. 1817 and Archibald b. 1820. I believe they went to Ontario, Canada around 1830 as I can find no further record of them on the Isle of Mull site. Am also interested in a Catherine McLean who was married to Angus MacDonald. I'm trying to trace Hugh Boyd as he may have been my ancestor that lived in Vaughan, Ontario, Canada and may have used the name of Angus Hugh Boyd or just used his middle have of Angus. His son John married Isabelle McKinnon from Mull. John 2nd wife was Anne Bell, daughter of John Bell from Mull and Anne Dease. Does anyone know what happened to this Hugh Boyd born in Mull as I can find no record after his birth. Thanks, Bonnie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Friends. Due to (yet another) corporate change, my personal email is transitioning from 'jbundy48@verizon.net' to 'jbundy48@frontier.com'. The verizon one will no longer work in a few months. If neither of these addresses are familiar, just let me know and I'll remove yours from my contacts. Thank you. Jim Bundy

I have some 'missing' family so hope someone may be able to make a connection.Lachlan McLACHLAN had a family in the Largs & Bute areas. John b 1861 ... still with family in 1871 then .....Colin (may also have been known as Lachlan) b 1866 but does not seem to have died and missing from family in 1871 census.Margaret b 1868 and still with family in 1891.Christina b 1869 and with family in 1881.Alexander Meikle  b 1882 still alive after 1926 when he married Katherine Allday.Thomas Leigh b 1887 still a scholar in 1901. Anne Maye

I found the following book online on the Gemmell/Gemmill family and the Brown family I am researching is in it and now I have names of Major William Brown's parents, and siblings, etc. However, the book says he was unmarried, but he was, in fact, married. Anyone else related to this family. http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/gemmell.pdf Elaine

17th. Nov 2nd 1835. On the Motion of Wm Morton Whither is a Town or Country Life Productive of Most Happiness. Decided in favour of a Towns Life. 18th. Novr 16th 1835. On the Motion of John Kirkland it was Agreed to hold a General Conversation on the State of Society. Thomas Fulton President. 19th. Nov 16th 1835. On the motion of Robert Howat that the Subject for discussion be for the 30th Novr That Whither Real or Imaginary Pleasure in Love and amusement affords most satisfaction, was agreed to. 20th. 30th Novr Agreed by the Society that John Kirkland's motion relative to the presant state of society be resumed on the 14th Dec. Thomas Fulton President. 21st. 14th December. On the motion of William Morton it was agreed that the subject of debate be Whether the Drunkard or the Miser is most miserable. 28th Dec. Alex Fulton President Decided that the Drunkard is Most Miserable. 22nd. 28th Dec 1835. On the motion of James Taylor, agreed to take a Retrospective View of 1835, for Janr 11th 1836. Alex Fulton, President. 23rd. 11th Janr 1836. On the Motion of John Kirkland agreed that it be debated on the 25th of Janr Whether the once popular Doctrine of Ghosts and Witches have any claims on the beleif of Mankind. Robt. Orr President. Decided that they have none. 24th. 25th Janr 1836. On the Motion of John Kirkland agreed that it be debated on the 8th Febr Whether Poetry or Music has the strongest effect on the passions. Robt Orr President. Decided that Poetry has the strongest effect. 25th. 8th Febr 1836. On the Motion of William Morton, agreed that the utility of Abstinent Societies from all ardent spirits be discused on the 22nd Febr. Alex Armour President. Decided to be of great utility. 26th. 22nd Febr 1836. On the Motion of James Taylor agreed that it be debated on the 7th March whether Tobacco so extensively used as at preasant be beneficial to the Community. Alex Fulton President. Decided it was highly prejudicial.

Page 109 The qlk day Agnes Neill being summoned as suspect of fornicatione with ane Inglish man was called & compearing confessed her fornicatione The sessione ordains to acknowledge & confesse her sin befor the congregatione in the publick place three severall saboth dayes Delations Johne Thomson for scandalous cariage with Jonet Wylly being in the naked bed with her Jonet Armour wife to James Blackwad bonet maker for drukenes Margarat Broune wyfe to William Stewart for drukenes Johne Dickie in Cambusbeith for ordinary swearing Session Juny 26 1656 The qlk day Jon Thomson bonet maker & Jonet Wylie being summoned as suspect of fornicatione wer called & both of them compearing confessed scandalous cariage in being in the naked bed together but deneyed the act of fornicatione The session having taken his oath yt he was free of fornicatione did ordain both of them to confesse & acknowledge thair sin befor the congregatione from the publick place The qlk day Margarat Broune wyfe to William Stewart being summoned for drukenes & compeared not It is ordaind yt she be summoned pro 2do The qlk day Jon Dickie in Cambusbeith being summoned for ordinary swearing & cursing was called & compearing deneyed the same It is referred to further probatione The qlk day Jonet Armour wyfe to James Blackwood bonet maker was called & compearing not is ordaint to be summoned pro 2do The qlk day the session finds the Lord hes put ane end to Thomas Craufurd Major his processe by death Delations Alexr Blackwood for drukenes Thomas Donachin for drukenes & offering violence to ane elder Helen Bonnting for saying of Andrw Boyd yt he was going to get his communion bot all tyme wad come upon him & if both