Hi Listers, The following was one of the most difficult to decipher that I've encountered, especially the long phrase in brackets. I hope that can better sense of it than I, and I would be happy to share a scan of that page to anyone who would like to view it. The note seems to be related to giving permission for a house/small business to be erected up to and on the kirk yard dyke (wall). It would help I suppose if I could understand 17th century candle making. Jim Bundy Page 111 The 5 of Septr 1656 The qlk day the Session of Killmarnock being convened for taking to consideration the implication got in in to thamehe George Smyth merchand for libertie to build ane little office house for making of candles within the kirk yard pymt to the gabill of his house from erlie granted to him when the sd kirkyard so anft to qch supplication the session forsd did consider yt wtout prejudice to (t)he kirk or kirk yard the sd supplicant might build fure littell house adjoynt to the sd gabil of his house downward upon the kirk yard dyke four ells orderly of lenth (bacsniger sharp foote eaf the eaf chisel of peeas winds of the gulate the bleamrt circh of the gabills, to the end the hight of the sd winds be not prejudged) and ells of breadeth keiping a foule wtin the northe cornor of the former gabil all along, to the end the passage befor may be rather planned nor praitened and yr that hight of the sd house to be buidat sall not exceed yt hight of the ryt house to qch it is to be adjoynt and for avoiding of hazard and other discommodities to the kirk and kirk yard the session forsd ordaines that for boylling of tallow on the dyke the supplicant sall build here furnace in the southwest corner of the sd house (to be buildit) toward the watter in forme of a breaers furnace of also large a hyght as the top of the gabill yrof and that yr be no blyth entrie to the sd house wtin the kirk yard but the entrie qch is alredie in the former house and yt yr be no lygts wtin the kirk yard except one in the gabill (if need be) and that wt this provision the session sall close it (if need be) qn this please and that ther sal be no other fyre prames in the sd house except one in the loft yrof by way of a charnor brume conforme to qch bounds and limits the session for sd doors grant libertie to the sd George Smyth to build upon the sd ground upon condition allwayes that he sall pay no muir entries for the sd ground bot that he build the slop in the kirk dyke and repair the watter wide buder wch the same downward and that he sall fill up the grand sw(?) wt the ref at the sd house end and that the pay hreily to the session thrie pound scots money for bothe houses upon condition forsd for his lyf(?) and after his decease foule nyntein yeirs successive to heir his mas(?) and asigntyes and yrafter bynd his to the sd George Smyth and his forsds

I have a problem where my GG grandfather's burial location is unknown. He lived, worked, and died in Glasgow in February 1919, but there is NO record of his burial in the City. Thinking laterally, I wonder whether his wife, who was from Largs, had his remains transported to Largs for burial in a family lair. [Although I have my doubts about this, his wife died in Largs, and so maybe she had bought the lair for them both]. His wife was Janet Aitken, born 17 Dec 1847 Died 5 Feb 1940 at 132 Main Street, Largs. Her parents were John Aitken and Susan Hill, both born in 1817 in Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire and Largs respectively. Would anyone have any access to Largs burials in either 1919 or 1940, or MI's for Largs cemeteries? TIA edward Edward R Paxton

Hello Listers I'm beginning to write my paternal grandmother's story - nothing extensive, just a page or two - and have a couple of questions. She was born in Newton-on-Ayr on 17th December 1876 and migrated to Australia in 1900 (June to August) when she was described as a cook. As she died in 1911, not even my father knew much about her (he was 4 at the time), but she had obviously been to school as her mother wrote to her during her few short years of life in Australia. Addresses I have: Jock Street Lane, Newton-on-Ayr - where Kate was born. 17 Elba Street, St Quivox - 1881 Census (aged 4) 26 Nelson Street, Elba - 1891 Census (aged 14) 70 Taylor Street, Ayr - for her mother in the 1901 Census 21 McCalls Avenue - from where her mother wrote to her in Australia. Her school years would probaby have been between the 2 Census takings of 1881 and 1891. Are the addresses for those years far apart? Does anyone know what schools there might have been within walking distance of either in the 1880s please? Could someone point me in the right direction for finding out. Is there a Mailing List for Ayr itself as distinct from the county? Is there a site for Ayrshire history - maybe a particular library? Does anyone know if the above streets (Elba, Nelson and Taylor) are still in existence please? I have photos, kindly sent by a local Lister, of 21 McCalls Avenue, but it is possible that she never lived at there, or if so, then in her teen years. Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Janet Petttigrew was born on the 10th August 1798 in Old Monkland, Lanark. Died Bythswood, Lanark 19th February 1879. I take it that this is the one you are writing about? You didn't say if Lightbody was Janet Pettigrews uncle or the grandsons? Ken Brown

--- On Thu, 9/30/10, Joanne Noble <jnoble14@cogeco.ca> wrote: >I totally understand your frustration. >Try John William Wilson :S List: That's nothing! Try researching POW and you get Pow-Wow, Prisoner of War, Kung Pow or other Chinese relatives. And there is an Ayrshire connection (to remain on topic): Edward POW, Registrar of Births? died 1950, Ayr, son of Edward POW and Maggie JACK. ecunningham@att.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Yolanda_deiuliis Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14040.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: good idea, thanks!! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Loretta, I totally understand your frustration. Try John William Wilson :S Joanne -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Loretta Layman Sent: September 30, 2010 12:47 PM To: 'Maisie Egger'; 'IRELANDGENWEB'; dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com; sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Elusive ancester ditty Thanks for the chuckle Maisie. We all probably can identify with this on some level. I've been blessed with a great deal of genealogical success but also have been stymied twice. First, I tried to help a cousin find her John Jones in the early 19th century. Second, I tried to find a brother-in-law's Alfred Smith during the same period. Aarrrgh! Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:25 PM To: IRELANDGENWEB; dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com; sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Elusive ancester ditty As I was trolling through all sorts of genealogy sites I came across this little ditty which rat5her amused me. I don't know who the author is. Maisie The Elusive Ancestor. "I went Searching for an Ancestor, and cannot find him still, He moved around from place to place and did not leave a will.He married where a courthouse burned, and mended all his fences, He avoided any man who came to take the census. He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame, And every 20 years or so the rascal changed his name. His parents came from Scotland, they should be on some list of passengers to the UK but somehow they got missed, And none else in this world is searching for this man, so I play Geneasolitaire and find him if I can, I'm told he's buried in a plot, with a tombstone he was blessed, But the weather took the engraving and the vandals took the rest, He died before the County Clerks decided to keep records, no family bible has emerged in spite of all my efforts. To top it off this ancestor, who caused me many groans, Just to give me one more pain married a girl named JONES!" ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sounds like my family, thanks for the chuckle. Joanne Searching Wilson/Whittaker in Ayrshire -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: September 30, 2010 12:25 PM To: IRELANDGENWEB; dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com; sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Elusive ancester ditty As I was trolling through all sorts of genealogy sites I came across this little ditty which rat5her amused me. I don't know who the author is. Maisie The Elusive Ancestor. "I went Searching for an Ancestor, and cannot find him still, He moved around from place to place and did not leave a will.He married where a courthouse burned, and mended all his fences, He avoided any man who came to take the census. He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame, And every 20 years or so the rascal changed his name. His parents came from Scotland, they should be on some list of passengers to the UK but somehow they got missed, And none else in this world is searching for thi s man, so I play Geneasolitaire and find him if I can, I'm told he's buried in a plot, with a tombstone he was blessed, But the weather took the engraving and the vandals took the rest, He died before the County Clerks decided to keep records, no family bible has emerged in spite of all my efforts. To top it off this ancestor, who caused me many groans, Just to give me one more pain married a girl named JONES!" ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the chuckle Maisie. We all probably can identify with this on some level. I've been blessed with a great deal of genealogical success but also have been stymied twice. First, I tried to help a cousin find her John Jones in the early 19th century. Second, I tried to find a brother-in-law's Alfred Smith during the same period. Aarrrgh! Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:25 PM To: IRELANDGENWEB; dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com; AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com; sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Elusive ancester ditty As I was trolling through all sorts of genealogy sites I came across this little ditty which rat5her amused me. I don't know who the author is. Maisie The Elusive Ancestor. "I went Searching for an Ancestor, and cannot find him still, He moved around from place to place and did not leave a will.He married where a courthouse burned, and mended all his fences, He avoided any man who came to take the census. He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame, And every 20 years or so the rascal changed his name. His parents came from Scotland, they should be on some list of passengers to the UK but somehow they got missed, And none else in this world is searching for this man, so I play Geneasolitaire and find him if I can, I'm told he's buried in a plot, with a tombstone he was blessed, But the weather took the engraving and the vandals took the rest, He died before the County Clerks decided to keep records, no family bible has emerged in spite of all my efforts. To top it off this ancestor, who caused me many groans, Just to give me one more pain married a girl named JONES!"

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jecroft Surnames: McCubbin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14040.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You could try contacting the McCubbin one-name-study group. Their info and contact for Ayrshire branches can be found at this link. http://www.mccubbinfamily.com/Genealogy/McCubbins of the United Kingdom.htm They collect all data on McCubbin families. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

As I was trolling through all sorts of genealogy sites I came across this little ditty which rat5her amused me. I don't know who the author is. Maisie The Elusive Ancestor. "I went Searching for an Ancestor, and cannot find him still, He moved around from place to place and did not leave a will.He married where a courthouse burned, and mended all his fences, He avoided any man who came to take the census. He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame, And every 20 years or so the rascal changed his name. His parents came from Scotland, they should be on some list of passengers to the UK but somehow they got missed, And none else in this world is searching for this man, so I play Geneasolitaire and find him if I can, I'm told he's buried in a plot, with a tombstone he was blessed, But the weather took the engraving and the vandals took the rest, He died before the County Clerks decided to keep records, no family bible has emerged in spite of all my efforts. To top it off this ancestor, who caused me many groans, Just to give me one more pain married a girl named JONES!"

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: idabunmom Surnames: Lightbody, Pettigrew, Spittal, Robb Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1402.3899.3902.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Janet Pettigrew born 1799 and her grandson mentioned a John Lightbody as an Uncle... this would have been in 1897... no idea how old the Lightbody was. Can you enlighten me at all? Thanks! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Yolanda_deiuliis Surnames: Mccubbin, Mullen, Robson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14040/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Raymond Mccubbin Died in 1995, age 46, birth date 31 march 1949, died in richmond, yorkshire. He was married to Susan Robson and my mother Ann Mullen but was divorced from her. They had a daughter together but left them. he started a family with Susan Robson and had 2 children, David raymond and maureen. I wondered if anyone knew of Raymond and where to locate his family. My half sister would like to know her brother and sister and anything else from her family history. Raymond mccubbin was born in england and died here but he had a scottish accent and was in the army, his parents lived in stweraton east ayrshire, scotland. Im trying to find when he moved to scotland? the military records after 1960 when he was posted at catterick camp, yorkshire. His parenst and other family members. I think his mum and dad where called Mary and Monty Mccubbin. If anyone knows anything please get in touch. Thank you Yolanda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a geneology chart sent to me many years ago. Only recently did I find that the person who sent the list and I had the same ggg-grandparents. I have tried to contact him but no luck. If any one is interested in any of these names or knows Mr. Arnott from Victoria, I would love to get back to him or any other researcher. Thank you, Kate A. chris-kate

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: salandmichael Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/5655.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am researching the same line.I come into the family via Robert Jackson, The son of William Jackson & Agnes Officer. Its been quite a few years since your last post, so if you are still researching, contact me & hopefully we are able to knock down the brick wall esp the one concerning Sarah Gladman :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello all, Parents Campbell Graham and Sarah nee Currie I am looking for further info on this family. From the 1901 census the children were all b Bankhead Muirkirk, they were, William Graham b c 1899, Jeanie D Graham b c 1900, Robert C Graham b c 1901 (as he was 7 mths in the 1901 census.) Hope someone is researching this family as their grandmother Annie (nee Campbell d/o John Campbell and Mary Lennox) Graham . Annie was my gg granny's cousin . Appreciate any help Cheers Chris

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jinxnojunk Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/2388.3751/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, any information on McConnells who immigrated to Jamaica in the 1700's? Jane McConnell jinxnojunk@hotmail.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jinxnojunk Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/5806.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I am also looking for Barbara Horbury who claims to have info on Scottish/Jamaican connections. Have been unable to get in touch with her. I do remember the name Kennedy listed as well as my ancestors, the McConnells, who are still in Jamaica. I knew several Kennedys growing up there. Are you still searching? Jane McConnell jinxnojunk@hotmail.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Jill, google 'cotton factory images'... that may help answer your question about the need for a wood sawyer. I imagine presses, sorting tables, tubs etc etc were all made of wood. Nyle NZ

Has anyone heard of Finlay & Sons in Catrine? My ancestor James Hepburn worked for them for 31 years and was presented with a gold watch when he left. From looking it up on Google it was a cotton works. My ancestor in census 1841-71 was always referred to as a wood sawyer. When he emigrated to New Zealand his occupation was still a wood sawyer. Why would a cotton factory employ a wood sawyer? Any suggestions? Regards from Jill in New Zealand