This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: campbells200 Surnames: Campbell, McKenzie, McKinnon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14046.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Well, it looked promising, but I opened that birth certifcate, and it appears that the Ardrossan James Campbell was born to a Jane Campbell, illegitimate, so no fathers name. I had seen that entry in the 1881 census about being on the Mantura, which perhaps relates to the James Campbell, son of of Jane Campbell, born in Ardrossan. Again, the ages there don't match there either, which maybe common if you joined something like the Navy/Merchant Navy where there may have been an age limit. Perhaps this is the same person.. I really feel that I'm missing just one important fact from all this. The only information that I have from my Dad, is that his grandad (John Patrick) ran away to sea as a boy/young man, because he didn't want to do what his father had asked him to do as a career(He wanted John Patrick to go into Metallurgy). My Dad was told by his father, that John Patrick's family were wealthy, that they were Drapers and had a shop either on the Paisley Road, or called Paisley, somewhere in Glasgow supplying some goods to the military. Also that John Patrick had a brother that was a noted violinist, and a sister that was an Opera singer. However, having said all that, he doesn't appear to have been born in Stevenston, his father is listed as an Engine Fitter on both his Marriage and Death certificate.. something does not stack up, unless there are records physically missing, or someone else in his family were the Drapers. I've done some research into Drapers in Glasgow but that is a big search, and trying to find a relating name is hard, due to the possibility that it wasn't his father that ran the business. My Grandad was taught the violin very well by an Uncle, so there's a ring of truth about some of the information passed down... Sorry, excuse that verbal blurb of information, it's helpful for me to get this written down and perhaps re-read a couple of times to see if I'm missing something obvious! I'm not sure what to think about this now. I'm not sure what the next step is or where to search... Perhaps another dig into Navy records might help. Aha!! One other fact(!?) was that John Patrick apparently worked as a pilot on the River Plate in his career. I do wonder if any of the above is true? :-) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kaymcmeekin Surnames: Campbell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14046.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Any joy? In 1881 John P Campbell b 1857 Ardrossan is on the Manturia or Mantura in Argyll as an AB Seaman In 1891 I can see a John Campbell b1853 Saltcoats on board the Georgia as a fireman at Plantation in Glasgow Lanarkshire. Is this the one you found? BTW I am looking at the transcriptions on ancestry not at the originals. In 1871 England there is a John H Campbell age 16 b 1855 Glasgow on the Foudroyant in Devon. He could have lied about his age. SOunds like a Navy ship rather than mechant service. But we really need to find him with parents to get his siblings the opera singer and violinist! The only John Campbell in 1871 Scotland b 1864 Stevenston is with parents David a miner and Janet. Kay Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I'm sure there are many of us on this List that have discovered that the family history is not factual. And then the searching and sorting and discovery of what is factual and ending up with a whole new family history. Don't get discouraged. Is there a Will/Testament for John Patrick's father on scotlandspeople website? They can be so very informative - with my Gtgfa Campbell I discovered a son, his namesake, that must have been raised by others - and later was loaned the money to set up his Dentistry business in Belfast. And was mentioned in the will because he failed to repay the money. And then gt gfa gifted a gold watch to his grandson - son of this dentist son. (My Campbells are not connecting with yours- mostly WIG and KKD folk). Regards, Judy in BC Can -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: November-12-10 4:44 AM To: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Campbells, Draper, Son a Violinist, daughter an Opera singer 1870 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: campbells200 Surnames: Campbell, McKenzie, McKinnon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14046.1 .1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Well, it looked promising, but I opened that birth certifcate, and it appears that the Ardrossan James Campbell was born to a Jane Campbell, illegitimate, so no fathers name. I had seen that entry in the 1881 census about being on the Mantura, which perhaps relates to the James Campbell, son of of Jane Campbell, born in Ardrossan. Again, the ages there don't match there either, which maybe common if you joined something like the Navy/Merchant Navy where there may have been an age limit. Perhaps this is the same person.. I really feel that I'm missing just one important fact from all this. The only information that I have from my Dad, is that his grandad (John Patrick) ran away to sea as a boy/young man, because he didn't want to do what his father had asked him to do as a career(He wanted John Patrick to go into Metallurgy). My Dad was told by his father, that John Patrick's family were wealthy, that they were Drapers and had a shop either on the Paisley Road, or called Paisley, somewhere in Glasgow supplying some goods to the military. Also that John Patrick had a brother that was a noted violinist, and a sister that was an Opera singer. However, having said all that, he doesn't appear to have been born in Stevenston, his father is listed as an Engine Fitter on both his Marriage and Death certificate.. something does not stack up, unless there are records physically missing, or someone else in his family were the Drapers. I've done some research into Drapers in Glasgow but that is a big search, and trying to find a relating name is hard, due to the possibility that it wasn't his father that ran the business. My Grandad was taught the violin very well by an Uncle, so there's a ring of truth about some of the information passed down... Sorry, excuse that verbal blurb of information, it's helpful for me to get this written down and perhaps re-read a couple of times to see if I'm missing something obvious! I'm not sure what to think about this now. I'm not sure what the next step is or where to search... Perhaps another dig into Navy records might help. Aha!! One other fact(!?) was that John Patrick apparently worked as a pilot on the River Plate in his career. I do wonder if any of the above is true? :-) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: campbells200 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14046.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Kay, Ah excellent! I'll have a look into him right now. My Dad has told me that he had these differing names, much more than that I do not know.. I was thinking that maybe there were some records missing, but I haven't asked that question yet of any of these sites. I had found a John Patrick Campbell listed as being on vessels in the 1891 census I think, who listed his birth place as Ardrossan.. He was in the Merchant navy, but it appears that they didn't record much information on the individual crew members between 1850 till 1910, or something like that, so I didn't look there, I might retry that route though too.. I'll go and have a look on Scotlands people for James Campbell now, fingers crossed for me! :-) Neil. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kaymcmeekin Surnames: Campbell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14046.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Neil Yes it can get very confusing! Can't find any births for John Patrick Campbell between 1855-1865 anywhere in Scotland on scotlandspeople Why do you think he was also called James? There is a birth for James Campbell in 1859 in Ardrossan. Have you looked at that one? Could it be him. Don't understand why I can't find them on the censuses or the IGI. Very strange. Kay Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

During my recent trip to Scotland, I found the family of the above. Alexander Stewart was born on 31 August 1760 to James Stewart and Barbara Auld at Dreghorn. Details of Ann is form her headstone at Kilmarnock Laigh Churchyard which says:- Ann Boyd widow of Alexander Stewart Senior died on 10th November 1834, aged 94 years. The author then goes onto question this data by saying:- "If the age of 94 is correct Ann's birthdate would have been 1740, making her 20 years older than her husband and 52 years old when he last child George was born. Has the weather played its part in fading the transcription, was Ann indeed 20 years older than her husband or was the headstone erected by her grandchildren (The order of names on the tombstone points to this) who unaware of her age, added a presumed age got her." In her marriage she is give as being of Irvine, where quite a lot of Boyd families lived. The author adds that"- "More likely her parents were a James Boyd and wife Mary Vas who had a daughter in 1752 in Kilmarnock. An Adam Boyd who was Provost of Kilmarnock in 1730 could well have been her grandfather." The 1994 IGI for the UK has only this entry for Mary Vass:- Ann BOYD (F).......................... C: 28 Aug 1752 B: 9 Dec 1971 SLAKE Ba: 7114821 22 Father: James BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 21 Jan 1972 SLAKE So: 1235268 Mother: Mary VASS SP: 23 Aug 1972 SLAKE and it has this for a Mary Bas:- Ann BOYD (F).......................... B: 28 Aug 1750 B: 21 Aug 1958 Ba: 7003003 11 Father: James BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 1 Oct 1958 SLAKE So: 538193 Mother: Mary BAS SP: 2 Feb 1961 SLAKE Do any members of this list belong to this Stewart, Auld, Boyd families. Mike Boyd Brisbane

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: campbells200 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14046.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry, I see the confusion, I've pretty much confused myself with this! :-) John Patrick married a Catherine McKinnon, not Margaret. (My mistake, there's alot of Margarets in my family so far!) His parents were James or John Campbell, and Margaret McKenzie. I don't have his birth certificate, that's what I'm really trying to find at the moment, just to get info on his parents. All I have on John Patrick is his Marriage and death certificate, and the 1901 census entry. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

John and Liz "Could" your McCredie's have come from this family from Perceton (which is about 3 kms from Irevine) P1 Thomas Boyd, b / /165x ( ), d / /170x ( ), bu , m / /167x (church, town, county, etc), Agnes Scott, dau of and (nee ) Scott, b / /165x ( ), d / /17xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- [Lived: ] Q2? Jean Boyd, b / /170x ( ), d 27?/2/1770 ( ), bu , m / /172x (church, town county, etc), Andrew Macredie, son of Andrew Macredie of Perceton, b / /170x ( ), d /9/1764, ( ), bu , and had issue:- Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ferguson" <farguesonn@hotmail.com> To: <ayrshire-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: [AYR] MCCREADIE/ROSS > > Elizabeth > The only McCreadie that I have in my database is: > Jane McCreadie b 3 Sep 1819 Ballantrae, Ayrshire d 10 Apr 1868 Queensland, > Australia > married William Davidson Ross 24 May 1845 Ayr b 6 Aug 1821 Dailly d 7 Jul > 1895 Queensland, Australia > John > Australia > > My Mom Elizabeth (Bessie) McCreadie was born in Dailly in 1898, She was > the daughter of Jimmie & Jane McCreadie. >> Her sister Jean also born in Dailly married an Andrew McBride. >> My Mom & Dad (Alex Mackenzie) & three children lived in The Toll House >> until coming to Canada in 1929. >> Elizabeth in Canada >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kaymcmeekin Surnames: Campbell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14046.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Neil Bit of confusion in your post. Is his mother Margaret McKenzie or Margaret Mckinnon? I can't find a marriage for either Margaret to James Campbell. But you should see the marriage date and place of the parents on the birth certificate. Is his name on the birth certificate James or John Patrick? Is the birth cert for 1862? I wouldn't take as gospel what is on the census. The marriage certificate should be reliable unless they were deliberately telling lies. I can't see any likely families on the earlier censuses either. What is wife Catherine's maiden name, out of interest? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: campbells200 Surnames: Campbell, McKenzie, McKinnon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14046.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Kay, Thanks for that! I've signed up for Scotlands people and managed to get John Patricks Death, marriage certificates and a copy of the 1901 census. I've checked the handwriting on all these to see if there's a mistake, but on both his wedding and death certificate, his birthdate works out as 1862, yet the census clearly works out at 1857. On his marriage and and death certificate, his parents(deceased) are shown as Margeret Campbell nee McKenzie, and his father as James Campbell on his wedding certificate, an Engine Fitter, and on his death certificate as John Campbell, Engine Fitter. I know the address of Ardgowan Place is right on the census in 1901 and that he definately married Margaret McKinnon, but there's that 5 year age difference between the census info and his birth/death certificates, and likely a differing birth name, so I'm wondering if the fact that he was born in Stevenson in the census is a lie... He was away at sea from a fairly young age as a Merchant seaman, so maybe I need to start digging there too. Confused! If there are any more ideas on this, any help would be appreciated! Neil. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Elizabeth The only McCreadie that I have in my database is: Jane McCreadie b 3 Sep 1819 Ballantrae, Ayrshire d 10 Apr 1868 Queensland, Australia married William Davidson Ross 24 May 1845 Ayr b 6 Aug 1821 Dailly d 7 Jul 1895 Queensland, Australia John Australia My Mom Elizabeth (Bessie) McCreadie was born in Dailly in 1898, She was the daughter of Jimmie & Jane McCreadie. > Her sister Jean also born in Dailly married an Andrew McBride. > My Mom & Dad (Alex Mackenzie) & three children lived in The Toll House until coming to Canada in 1929. > Elizabeth in Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, I'm still looking for the parents of John DOUGLASS (b abt 1809, d 1885 Canada) who married Margaret Lowrie (b 1810 Stewarton, died Canada) in Colmonell (1839) and were living in Barr in 1841 census. They went to Canada in the late 1840s, eventually settling in the Griffith Matawatchan area of Ontario. I believe his parents may have been John DOUGLASS (b abt 1767, d 1839 Colmonell) and Jannet MCMICHAEL (b 1872 New Cumnock, d 1858 Colmonell), but have no confirmation. Thanks for your help!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: afmv Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13453.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hello i was wondering if you could send me any info on the churchyard, and also the inscriptions of the churchyards, francis logan is my mother's 3rd great grandfather, so any info would be great, also my gggrandmother was the innkeeper at poosie nancies any info on that would be great i'am in canada so its not easy geting any info, please contact me at afmv@hotmail.com kind regards Anne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley" <shirleymbeales@bigpond.com> To: "TRISH DAY" <grendlsmother@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [AYR] Middle name mystery > So .... if this is the case ,suppose an illegitimate child of HANNAH > WATSON HENDERSON, had the name MARGARET CRAIG WATSON HENDERSON.The Watson > and Henderson being the middle and surnames of the Mother and Grandmother > ,were then passed on to the next generation minus the 'CRAIG' e.g. HUGH > WATSON HENDERSON KEIR.If one assumes then that 'CRAIG' is the odd name > ,that is not found anywhere else in the recurring WATSON HENDERSON'S of > this family, and is the unknown father's name of Margaret ,is there > anyway to check this out?e.g. I have seen books and films and > documentaries showing social customs from as late as WW2 where the Mother > was forced at the Kirk or Church in England to confess the biological > Father's name to the church elders.What resources' are there for Scotland > in this respect ,I have Ancestry and there's not much there.It's a mystery > this family would love to lay to rest. > > I also have another question,if a daughter had an illegitimate child which > was subsequently brought up by her Grandmother not knowing this was the > case, then could the child's birth be registered as the daughter of the > Grandparents without any trouble.In 1937 in Scotland did a parent just go > to the post office and register the child without identification at a time > when homebirths were attended by the women of the family only,therefore > no-one else would know the actual parent. > Shirley > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TRISH DAY" <grendlsmother@yahoo.com> > To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AYR] Middle name mystery > > > It was quite usual in the case of an illegitimate child to give the > father's surname as a middle name. However, I have one baby girl (illeg) > who was not only given her father's surname but the first name and maiden > name of his mother. (so she had four names). > > I wonder if it was done out of spite or if there was intention to marry at > some stage in the future (they didn't). > > --- On Tue, 9/11/10, Andrea <fitzys@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > > > From: Andrea <fitzys@alphalink.com.au> > Subject: Re: [AYR] Middle name mystery > To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 9:06 > > > The mother's maiden name was often used for a middle name. I have found > that where an unfamiliar surname has appeared in my family it has been a > surname of a family member on a maternal line from three or four > generations > before, and it is only by tracing further back that I've found the > connection. > > Cheers, > Andrea. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Loretta Layman > Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2010 2:04 AM > To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AYR] Middle name mystery > > I've also read and can easily believe that folks sometimes named their > children after nobles and lairds. In my research of several American > families, I've found more than once that sons were named for Presidents. > In > my husband's family tree there are Benjamin Franklin Layman and George > Washington Layman. In a tree I did for a friend, there are Abraham Lincoln > Copeland and George Washington Copeland. George Washington was > particularly > popular and appears numerous times among the families I've studied. I even > saw a family (the last name of which I don't now recall but will list as > Smith) with all three sons named for Presidents: Abraham Lincoln Smith, > Benjamin Franklin Smith, and George Washington Smith. > > Loretta > > -----Original Message----- > From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Janet MacDonald > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:38 AM > To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AYR] Middle name mystery > > I had wondered about an ancestor's middle names for a long time, and > discovered recently that she was named for the minister of the parish and > his wife, might be worth a bit of exploration of that sort? > > Janet > > --- Original Message ----- > From: "The Duffs" <the4duffs@verizon.net> > To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:22 PM > Subject: [AYR] MacFarlane middle name mystery > > >> All- >> I have been very puzzled by the middle name of MacFarlane in my >> ancestor's names. There are two of them - James (b 1856) and Thomas (b. >> 1864). <snip> > >> I'm puzzled and I don't know where to look. >> >> Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My husband's ancestors came to Boston, Massachusetts, USA. They were CUTHBERTSON and MCCANDLISH. -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sheryl Kelso Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:29 PM To: Ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Where did they go from Ayrshire? My husband's relatives came to Allegany Co., Maryland. We are searching for the name Speir and Kelso. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all.  Some yrs ago, some kind person made a list of births/marriages of WILSONs for Ayrshire. The list was extensive.  Can anyone find it again? Have tried but i come up with bupkis.  Meg

Let's try it from another angle, as so far I've ony seen the village of Dailly get a mention twice. All the following were born in Dailly. Alexander/Allan Black Craig Davidson/Dowell Fergusson/Ferguson Gordon Hendrie Jamieson/Jones Kirkland McCrindle/McCulloch/McMurtrie Rae/Riggs Ross Wason (Watson) John Australia

My husband's relatives came to Allegany Co., Maryland. We are searching for the name Speir and Kelso.

I thought I might try another avenue to find folks . Is there anyone whose families from Ayr went to Tioga county, Pennsylvania - particulary Fall Brook.? Thanks Barbara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: missgreenwood Surnames: Denman Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/152.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My gggrandfather's surname was Denman. The census tells me that he was born in Stirling, Scotland but I haven't found out anymore. He was born in 1878 but by 1901 he was living and working in Nottingham. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.