This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: IanRDownie Surnames: Cochrane, Downie Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/157.809.1912.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have just come across the death certificates of Mary Cochrane, widow of Thomas Downie Labourer, and of Thomas himself. Mary died on 2 January 1896 at Coldstream, West Kilbride, Ayrshire aged 64 years (consistent with the birthdate given by Irene and her age in the 1881 Census). Her father's name is given as Thomas Cochrane, Carting Contractor, and her mother Mary's maiden surname was not known by the informant, her son John Downie of 6 Arran Lane, Ardrossan, who is not on the list of children given by Irene). Both parents were deceased. Mary was 'in the parish of Ardrossan' in the OPR proclamation record dated 1 January 1853 (Thomas was 'in the parish of Dalry'). Thomas, a general labourer, died six years earlier on 14 March 1890 at 15 Green Street, Saltcoats, Ayrshire, aged about 70 years. Again the informant was his son John (address 35 Montgomerie Lane, Ardrossan). Thomas's parents are given as John Downie, labourer, and Margaret Downie (again no maiden surname) - both deceased. I can't add any more on the Cochrane side but son Joseph Downie died in World War i on 28 May 1918 and is buried at Jhansi, India. His pension records show that his only living relatives in 1918 were his sister Mary Downie, still living at Coldstream, West Kilbride - Joseph's home address, his brother John at 3 Pavilion Place, Ardrossan and his sister Mrs Gemmel at 51 Caledonian St, Paisley. Joseph enlisted in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders on 10 May 1915 at the age of 44 years and 107 days and his enlistment papers show that he had previous service (time expired) in the same regiment. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This web archive contains hundreds of recordings of tales, songs etc from all over Scotland, in Gaelic, Doric, and Scots - many date back to the 1930s. http://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/ See news item here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11950440 Louise

Thank you Ken & Alice for your response.  I came across a hint that they could be interchangeable and, although they are separate names it would be easy for e.g a census recorder or a clerk to spell one for the other based on what he heard. I have a Catherine McLACHLAN b 1858 (mother's name, no father named) Lochwinnoch RFW and it seems the same child Catherine McGILL appears with her grandmother as Catherine McGILL in 1871 census. This could be the use of McGILP with McLachlan connections but there is a Meikle family connection with another part of the family.  Have been exploring some wide possibilities as this Catherine seems to have 'disappeared'. Anne

Please see: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,262223.msg1477870.html http://www.talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2621&start=0 James ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Duffs" <the4duffs@verizon.net> To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: [AYR] Flowerer of Webs > All- > Can anyone help with this occupation? What is it? Very confused. > > Thanks, > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Friends, Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. http://www.guardian.co.uk/edinburgh/2010/dec/07/edinburgh-genealogy-scottish-family-history-records-search-cost-increase-online Kay in snow-bound Edinburgh

All- Can anyone help with this occupation? What is it? Very confused. Thanks, Bob

Hi Bob, A wonderful handwork and treasured to this very day. Very sought after by collectors. Sheena gave a great description on line which I am sure will be of assistance Bob, She was answering the same question you have asked the Ayr List. All the best, Linda Sheena wrote> She would have been working in the Ayrshire lace industry. Ayrshire lace is a type of "whitework" ie white-on-white embroidery which was done at home on a piecework basis. The needlepoint filling (floo'ering or flowering) was the most specialised technique and it's that which differentiates Ayrshire work from other types of whitework. You'll find lots of floo-erers (or spelling variants) in the mid-19th C censuses for Ayrshire as that's when the industry was at its height. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Duffs <the4duffs@verizon.net> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010 7:30 pm Subject: [AYR] Flowerer of Webs To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com > All- > Can anyone help with this occupation? What is > it? Very confused. > > Thanks, > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I haven't heard of McGill and Meikle being used interchangeably. I do have both McGills and Meikles in my tree. A whole heap of Meikles from around the town of Darvel in east Ayrshire and particularly a farm called Tulloch or Tilloch.. Also a Mary McGill born in Stair in 1803, parents were John McGill and Margaret Templeton. John's parents were John McGill and Margaret Dean.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Philip_Pauley Surnames: PAULEY ADAMS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14065/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find out any information about the ancestors and decendants of William Pauley, b. abt 1822 in England, possibly inner north London, d. 10 Aug 1876 in Norwood, Adelaide, South Australia. He married Louisa Elizabeth Adams(b. abt 1820, England. d. Dec 9, 1905, Norwood Adelaide, South Australia) Mar 18, 1849 in St Marys, Haggerston, Shoreditch. They arrived in South Australia late 1849 or early 1850 and a son, Thomas Walter, was born Jun 23, 1850, in Kapunda, South Australia. Any information on this family would be most appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I wonder if there is anyone out there who has somewhere in their family the names McGill and Meikle used interchangeably.  It may help me make some connections. Anne Maye

John It may help members of the list to help you if you gave them James Gibb and Andrew Gibb's wife and their known details. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gibb" <johnmgibb@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Cc: <flashquarter@gmail.com>; <em.paton86@inet.net.au> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: [AYR] Gibb families > > William b. abt. 1786 was living in Stair at the time of his > marriage to Janet Marr. I may have found his father and grandfather but > need > further proof, James Gibb b. 1763 in Kingencleuch and a Andrew Gibb. > > Is anyone connected to this family or have any further information? I have > details of most of the direct line to me plus some details on others, > anyone > wishing a copy just let me know. > > > > John Gibb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, All I have is a OPR showing the baptism of a James Gibb giving his father as Andrew. I cannot say that they are Williams' father and grandfather, was hoping someone could help. John Gibb -----Original Message----- From: Mike Boyd [mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com] Sent: 05 December 2010 12:57 To: John Gibb; ayrshire@rootsweb.com Cc: flashquarter@gmail.com; em.paton86@inet.net.au Subject: Re: [AYR] Gibb families John It may help members of the list to help you if you gave them James Gibb and Andrew Gibb's wife and their known details. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gibb" <johnmgibb@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Cc: <flashquarter@gmail.com>; <em.paton86@inet.net.au> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: [AYR] Gibb families > > William b. abt. 1786 was living in Stair at the time of his > marriage to Janet Marr. I may have found his father and grandfather but > need > further proof, James Gibb b. 1763 in Kingencleuch and a Andrew Gibb. > > Is anyone connected to this family or have any further information? I have > details of most of the direct line to me plus some details on others, > anyone > wishing a copy just let me know. > > > > John Gibb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I have traced my Gibb Family back to about 1786 in Mauchline where William Gibb was born, he married Janet Marr there in 1817. Their children were: James(1818), Hamilton(1820), Mungo(1822), William(1824), Alexander(1831), Janet(1831) & John(1833) all born in Mauchline. My direct line (James) married Margaret Clark in Kilmarnock they had 10 children (5 in Kilmarnock, 2 in Edinburgh & 3 in Glasgow) they both died in Glasgow. William b. abt. 1786 was living in Stair at the time of his marriage to Janet Marr. I may have found his father and grandfather but need further proof, James Gibb b. 1763 in Kingencleuch and a Andrew Gibb. Is anyone connected to this family or have any further information? I have details of most of the direct line to me plus some details on others, anyone wishing a copy just let me know. John Gibb

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: m12m2 Surnames: ALLAN TEMPLETON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14064/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ALLANS - Ayrshire - Kilmarnock (West Coast, Scotland.) Thank you so much for reading my message. I would truly appreciate if you could review my family tree and provide any relevant information. All current names on my ALLAN family tree are confirmed by BDM or Census documentation. My ancestry.com tree name = James Hay Allan - family tree (WIP). KEY ALLAN First names: Thomas, James, John, Ruthven How(i)e, Robert, William, Agnes, Jane, Isabella, Margaret. KEY Maiden names: Agnes Williamson, Catherine Hay, Jane Campbell Lithgow, Agnes How(i)e, Ann(ie) Young, Ann(ie) Templeton. KEY Locations: Cambuslang - Greenbank Terrace - Colebrooke Street, Ayrshire - Coylton Village, Riccartion (Crompton Street) - Hurlford, Kilmarnock - West Shaw Street - Dollars Row Kilwinning, Australia - Carrington Newcastle NSW Australia, KEY Occupations: Cotton Weaver, Miner, Meat Inspector, Scholar(s). PARTICULARS =========== I am currently searching for a Robert Allan who married Annie Templeton Some time before/around 1800. No further information at this stage other that they had a son called Robert Allan (bn. 1816 - Married Annie Young 4th Feb 1842 in Kilmarnock and died 24th Sept 1897 aged 80. Robert Allan and Annie Templeton are identified as father\mother both deceased on this death cert. If you have a number of Allans on your Tree, are happy to help, or see a family link, I would be greatful if you would grant me guest\visitor rights to view your family tree and continue my research. I am more than happy to share any infomation or indeed supply BDM or Census copies for any matches you may desire, (within reason) and would gladly be of future assistance. Trust you will seriously consider my request and I look forward to your constructive, positive and contributive feedback. Sincerely ... and hopfully Thomas James Allan (m12m2@hotmail.com) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Would someone please explain the following:- "Kilmaurs, Aug 26th 1841. This day Thomas Richmond & Elizabeth Muir both in this parish gave in their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage. 3 days" Is this the date of marriage, or date of first reading of banns (hence '3 days')??? With thanks, John Wareham Springfield, NSW, Australia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: semiplenus Surnames: Bowes, Fulton Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/4098.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, It could be that we are related through the BOWES line. The 1851 census depicts a Robert BOWES, b. abt 1844 in Paisley, Renfrewshire. His father, also Robert BOWES, b. abt 1803, Stevenston, Ayrshire. Robert BOWES' (1803) daughter, Janet b. 1831, married David FULTON 1853 in Paisley. Robert BOWES (1803) was married to "Ann", according to the census, b. abt 1812 Edinburgh. It's been a while since your original post. Let me know if you've found out anything additional. Would love to know more about this family. Cheers Mike Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: anahall_1 Surnames: Hall Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14063/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for information on my 3 x Great Grandparents Thomas Sr Hall, and wife Elizabeth(maiden name not known)I belive they would of had 7 children and travelled to Canada from Ireland after the potato blight in about 1846. Cant seem to find out where abouts they were from. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello John, The following is an except from www.soctlandspeople.gov.uk There is much more on the marriage and banns including an example of banns and marriage Example of an OPR banns & marriages image Parish registers may record the date(s) of the proclamation of banns or the marriage date itself or both, but only one or the other will appear in the index. There is no indication given in the index as to whether the entry is a proclamation or a marriage, but it is more usual for the index entry to show the proclamation date. Proclamation of Banns The proclamation of banns was the notice of contract of marriage, read out in the Kirk before the marriage took place. Couples or their 'cautioners' (sponsors) were often required to pay a 'caution' or security to prove the seriousness of their intentions. Forthcoming marriages were supposed to be proclaimed on three successive Sundays, however, in practice, all three proclamations could be made on the same day on payment of a fee. If the bride and groom lived in different parishes, the impending marriage was proclaimed in both parishes, although not necessarily on the same days, therefore the dates in each register may be different. You may also find that one register may show the proclamation date and the other the date of the marriage itself. Best regard Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: John Wareham <john.wareham@bigpond.com> Date: Friday, December 3, 2010 10:21 pm Subject: [AYR] Explanation of Meaning - RICHMOND & MUIR To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Would someone please explain the following:- > "Kilmaurs, Aug 26th 1841. > This day Thomas Richmond & Elizabeth Muir both in this parish > gave in their names to be proclaimed in order to > marriage. 3 days" > Is this the date of marriage, or date of first reading of banns > (hence '3 days')??? > With thanks, > John Wareham > Springfield, NSW, Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Now that many are snowbound perhaps they will be able to take some time to spend on their computers. I am still looking for some of my McLACHLANs (var spellings) who came from ARL originally and later were in RFW, AYR & Bute. Lachlan (abt 1829-1893) & Ann McFARLANE (abt 1836-1873) lived in Largs and then Rothesay. Their children:John (1861- ), Christina (1864-1866), Colin (1866- ), Margaret (1868 - ), Christina (1869- ), Hugh (1871-1871), Donald (1872-1907), Hugh (1873-1874), Lachlan (1875).Lachlan's second marriage to Mary MEIKLE in 1879 in Glasgow but they lived Rothesay.Their children: (Agnes 1880-1882), Alexander (1882- ), Thomas (1887- ). I have not been able to find a number of them after certain dates.John not after 1871; Colin not after 1871; Margaret not after 1891; Christina not after 1881; Lachlan not after 1901; Alexander not after 1909; Thomas not after 1901.Alexander marr 1. Adelina JOHNSTONE 1909. 2. Katherine ALLDAY 1926.Nothing more is known of this family.Lachlan marr in 1902 Agnes WATSON.  They had a son Lachlan Thomas b 1902. Nothing more is known. Any information about this family would be gratefully welcomed. Anne Maye

PS from my last message - Doug it is the same Martha with her daughter Sarah. von Ayr ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [AYR] 1841 Census Look-up Please > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: watson1212 > Surnames: watson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/5345.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Opps. I take that back. There is a David and Martha and Sarah Watson in > the 1841 Ayr Census: > > David Watson, laborer, born abt 1791 Ireland > Martha, born abt 1796 Ireland > Ann, 1829 Ireland > George, 1831 Ireland > David, 1835 Ireland > Sarah, 1838 Ireland > > Could this be the same Martha and Sarah as in the 1851 Census? > > Doug > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3287 - Release Date: 11/29/10 07:34:00