Hello Stuart, >From my knowledge a relay worker and scholar as noted by you would be a child who is working in the coal mine and exactly as it states is a relay worker. That is the moving of coal or ore from one child to another in small quarters where only children were able to access. They also were given shifts called "relays" as many attended school as much as they were able. Even though distressing to read this thought provoking article from The National Archives on children in the Mines, it is educational for all of us that come from coal mining families in Scotland and England and I am sure of great interest to those who have not. "where work of the same kind is carried out by two or more sets of persons working during different periods of the day each of such sets is called a “relay” (and each of such periods is called a “shift”,) http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/education/children-in-the-mines-pack.pdf With best wishes to all during this holiday season, Linda Nordby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Adam" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:16:39 PM Subject: [AYR] Relay Worker Hi - new to this list - most of my relatives were in Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire. I am researching Hugh Arkieson, b 1862 Newton, Ayr who married Margaret Clark Tinto in Glasgow, 1891 When I looked up his first census entry in 1871, I found him with his parents Charles (Ironstone Miner) and Sarah, and siblings at Wood Street, Sorn. Hugh was correctly enumerated as eight years old, with an occupation of relay worker and scholar. Does anyone know what a relay worker did in 1871 - I can assume it was likely something to do with the mines, but it would be good to know the details. I have to say this is the youngest person I have ever seen with an occupation listed ! Did he get paid? (Hugh did not follow his father and went on to be an Engine Fitter) Thank youStuart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Adam" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:53:01 AM Subject: Re: [AYR] Relay Worker Hi Irene - Thank you for the suggestion. However there was no railway line in Catrine until 1903. Hugh's 9 year old sister and 11 year old brother are also marked as relay worker and scholar, and some neighbour's children are also enumerated as such. The handwriting on the image is quite clear, i.e. it is not a poor transcription.RegardsStuart Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 08:19:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [AYR] Relay Worker From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Are you sure its not an abbreviation for railway worker? On 11 Dec 2013 04:19, "Stuart Adam" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi - new to this list - most of my relatives were in Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire. I am researching Hugh Arkieson, b 1862 Newton, Ayr who married Margaret Clark Tinto in Glasgow, 1891 When I looked up his first census entry in 1871, I found him with his parents Charles (Ironstone Miner) and Sarah, and siblings at Wood Street, Sorn. Hugh was correctly enumerated as eight years old, with an occupation of relay worker and scholar. Does anyone know what a relay worker did in 1871 - I can assume it was likely something to do with the mines, but it would be good to know the details. I have to say this is the youngest person I have ever seen with an occupation listed ! Did he get paid? (Hugh did not follow his father and went on to be an Engine Fitter) Thank youStuart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had a grandfather in Daziel that was listed as relay work and it was on a rail line. One thought Stuart, if his father was a miner, I think I saw that, the mines typically had short rails and that might be the answer. The rail in Dalmellington where another set of grandparents worked had a purpose built "line" Just a thought. Hugh -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stuart Adam Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AYR] Relay Worker Hi Irene - Thank you for the suggestion. However there was no railway line in Catrine until 1903. Hugh's 9 year old sister and 11 year old brother are also marked as relay worker and scholar, and some neighbour's children are also enumerated as such. The handwriting on the image is quite clear, i.e. it is not a poor transcription.RegardsStuart Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 08:19:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [AYR] Relay Worker From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Are you sure its not an abbreviation for railway worker? On 11 Dec 2013 04:19, "Stuart Adam" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi - new to this list - most of my relatives were in Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire. I am researching Hugh Arkieson, b 1862 Newton, Ayr who married Margaret Clark Tinto in Glasgow, 1891 When I looked up his first census entry in 1871, I found him with his parents Charles (Ironstone Miner) and Sarah, and siblings at Wood Street, Sorn. Hugh was correctly enumerated as eight years old, with an occupation of relay worker and scholar. Does anyone know what a relay worker did in 1871 - I can assume it was likely something to do with the mines, but it would be good to know the details. I have to say this is the youngest person I have ever seen with an occupation listed ! Did he get paid? (Hugh did not follow his father and went on to be an Engine Fitter) Thank youStuart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Irene - Thank you for the suggestion. However there was no railway line in Catrine until 1903. Hugh's 9 year old sister and 11 year old brother are also marked as relay worker and scholar, and some neighbour's children are also enumerated as such. The handwriting on the image is quite clear, i.e. it is not a poor transcription.RegardsStuart Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 08:19:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [AYR] Relay Worker From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Are you sure its not an abbreviation for railway worker? On 11 Dec 2013 04:19, "Stuart Adam" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi - new to this list - most of my relatives were in Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire. I am researching Hugh Arkieson, b 1862 Newton, Ayr who married Margaret Clark Tinto in Glasgow, 1891 When I looked up his first census entry in 1871, I found him with his parents Charles (Ironstone Miner) and Sarah, and siblings at Wood Street, Sorn. Hugh was correctly enumerated as eight years old, with an occupation of relay worker and scholar. Does anyone know what a relay worker did in 1871 - I can assume it was likely something to do with the mines, but it would be good to know the details. I have to say this is the youngest person I have ever seen with an occupation listed ! Did he get paid? (Hugh did not follow his father and went on to be an Engine Fitter) Thank youStuart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are you sure its not an abbreviation for railway worker? On 11 Dec 2013 04:19, "Stuart Adam" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi - new to this list - most of my relatives were in Renfrewshire and > Lanarkshire. > I am researching Hugh Arkieson, b 1862 Newton, Ayr who married Margaret > Clark Tinto in Glasgow, 1891 > When I looked up his first census entry in 1871, I found him with his > parents Charles (Ironstone Miner) and Sarah, and siblings at Wood Street, > Sorn. Hugh was correctly enumerated as eight years old, with an occupation > of relay worker and scholar. > Does anyone know what a relay worker did in 1871 - I can assume it was > likely something to do with the mines, but it would be good to know the > details. I have to say this is the youngest person I have ever seen with > an occupation listed ! Did he get paid? (Hugh did not follow his father > and went on to be an Engine Fitter) > Thank youStuart > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kiwikids2006 Surnames: Begbie Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6460.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi. I'm looking for info on a Elizabeth Begbie born about 1856. I have her marriage certificate which states Elizabeth and James Henry Turner 1854-1922 married at the dwelling of Margaret Begbie of Pukekohe East NZ on the 23 Mar 1880, 2 of the witnesses are Robert Begbie and John Begbie both farmers of Pukekohe East. I haven't got her birth or death info yet. She lived most of her life in the Franklin region. I'm wondering if anyone else researching this family know the names of Fredrick and Margarets children and if indeed Elizabeth is their child? Thanks in advance for any help and I'm quite happy to share info on Fredrick and Margaret. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Hi - new to this list - most of my relatives were in Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire. I am researching Hugh Arkieson, b 1862 Newton, Ayr who married Margaret Clark Tinto in Glasgow, 1891 When I looked up his first census entry in 1871, I found him with his parents Charles (Ironstone Miner) and Sarah, and siblings at Wood Street, Sorn. Hugh was correctly enumerated as eight years old, with an occupation of relay worker and scholar. Does anyone know what a relay worker did in 1871 - I can assume it was likely something to do with the mines, but it would be good to know the details. I have to say this is the youngest person I have ever seen with an occupation listed ! Did he get paid? (Hugh did not follow his father and went on to be an Engine Fitter) Thank youStuart

Hi Jeni, Glad I didn't muddle your research too much - and you never know. I think a lot of names eventually hone in on one origin. Have you seen this very interesting site? If you search a surname you can see where the majority of people with that name lived in 1881 and 1998. In Britain that is - I don't think it includes Ireland. > http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org Best wishes, Mary

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Mary On looking at fasti in the early hours of this morning, I am inclined to agree this may not be the family of George, however, it is great to get any information that may lead me to find my man, so all is appreciated. Thank you. Jeni -----Original Message----- From: Mary Paton Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 10:22 AM To: Jo Ann Croft Cc: AyrshireList Subject: Re: [AYR] George CHRYSTAL - now James Crystal minister in Auchinleck Hello Jo Ann and List, It was I who mentioned James Chrystal who married my gg-grandparents in Auchinleck and was still there 50 years later to celebrate their Golden Wedding. I don't think he is Jeni's so I have inadvertantly sort of muddled this thread. Sorry about that! Not sure whether to change the title so I've half-altered it. Someone may be researching this family as there were several children. Cheers, Mary

Hello Jo Ann and List, It was I who mentioned James Chrystal who married my gg-grandparents in Auchinleck and was still there 50 years later to celebrate their Golden Wedding. I don't think he is Jeni's so I have inadvertantly sort of muddled this thread. Sorry about that! Not sure whether to change the title so I've half-altered it. Someone may be researching this family as there were several children. Cheers, Mary

>From the Fasti (vol 3) 1833 - JAMES CHRYSTAL, born 1807, second son of William C. LL.D., rector of the Grammar School, Glasgow; educated at Univ. of Glasgow; M.A. (1825); licen. by Presb. of Glasgow 7th Oct. 1829; pres. by Sir James Boswell of Auchinleck, Bart., 25th April, and ord. 19th Sept 1833; sometime Clerk of Presb.; D.D. (Glasgow 1861); Moderator of General Assembly 22nd May 1879; LL.D. (St Andrews 1893); died FATHER OF THE CHURCH, 6th Feb. l901. It continues with his marriage and children. Info on his father: William Chrystal was born in Kippen, Stirlingshire 8 June 1776; died by drowning near Rosneath 7 June 1830. He married Jean McEwen in Stirling. I found info that said he had seven children although I only found births for six. William Stirling 1801 Stirling James 1803 Stirling Jean 1804 Stirling James 1807 Glasgow Janet 1808 Glasgow Andrew 1811 Glasgow There is no indication that this family had any connection to Ayrshire prior to James' ordination at Auchinleck. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Margaret Pool <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jeni > > if you have a Scottish minister in your family tree there is this > marvellous > resource called 'Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae' often referred to as the > Fasti, it is a list of Scottish Ministers from about the 1500 's into the > 1900's it gives quite good family information and is a help when tracking > the ministers where their postings were. > > Put the full name in Google and it will show you sites that have the > information. > > Hope this helps > > Margaret > NZ >

Hi Jeni if you have a Scottish minister in your family tree there is this marvellous resource called 'Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae' often referred to as the Fasti, it is a list of Scottish Ministers from about the 1500 's into the 1900's it gives quite good family information and is a help when tracking the ministers where their postings were. Put the full name in Google and it will show you sites that have the information. Hope this helps Margaret NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeni Simpson" <[email protected]> To: "Mary Paton" <[email protected]>; "AyrshireList" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [AYR] George CHRYSTAL b. c 1809 somewhere in Ayrshire > Thanks Mary > > Will certainly keep him in mind. > > To my understanding, there were quite a few emigrated from Scotland to > Ireland in the 1840s, as well as vice versa during the Irish potato > famine. > > George is said to be 70/72 at his death depending on what item I read. I > think it is FamilySearch have him as 70 and 72 on RootsIreland. So I am > searching anything from 1805, although, as I said, I had only been > searching in Ayrshire. It is possible that George may not have been the > only member of the family to have emigrated. I will have to spend some > time on ancestry on Tuesday, I think. > > So far I have only found two of George’s children to have emigrated to New > Zealand, William Livingstone CHRYSTAL, who has quite a history in > Richmond, Christchurch, New Zealand. His descendants had no idea any > other CHRYSTAL family came here, until they were informed about my > g-grandmother, Louisa Margaret CHRYSTAL. > > From Irish Times Ancestry Search > Louisa Chrystal , daughter of George Chrystal and Anne Chrystal, was born > in Gort, Kiltartan civil parish, Galway around 1849. She didn't marry in > Ireland. [the family bible gives Louisa Margaret ROSS ms CHRYSTAL as b. > 1850] > > And from her death certificate > Louisa's death certificate gives the following information: d. Oct 1923, > aged 73 - years in New Zealand were 45, which means she may have > emigrated to New Zealand 1878 aged 28. Her marriage certificate says she > married 07 August 1880 aged 30 years. > > Thank you. > > Jeni > > From: Mary Paton > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 7:43 AM > To: Jeni Simpson ; AyrshireList > Subject: Re: [AYR] George CHRYSTAL b. c 1809 somewhere in Ayrshire > > Hi Jeni, > > Here's a possible for you - born 1808! > > 111/04/1808 CHRYSTAL GEORGE ROBERT CHRYSTAL/HELEN WATSON FR1182 CHILD 4 > (FR1182) M BARONY GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 622/00 0050 0030 > > I don't know whether he'll prove to be a brother of James the minister in > Auchinleck. The latter celebrated the marriage my gg-grandparents and was > still there in Auchinleck for their Golden Wedding in 1884 so he didn't go > to Ireland or NZ! > > Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mary Will certainly keep him in mind. To my understanding, there were quite a few emigrated from Scotland to Ireland in the 1840s, as well as vice versa during the Irish potato famine. George is said to be 70/72 at his death depending on what item I read. I think it is FamilySearch have him as 70 and 72 on RootsIreland. So I am searching anything from 1805, although, as I said, I had only been searching in Ayrshire. It is possible that George may not have been the only member of the family to have emigrated. I will have to spend some time on ancestry on Tuesday, I think. So far I have only found two of George’s children to have emigrated to New Zealand, William Livingstone CHRYSTAL, who has quite a history in Richmond, Christchurch, New Zealand. His descendants had no idea any other CHRYSTAL family came here, until they were informed about my g-grandmother, Louisa Margaret CHRYSTAL. >From Irish Times Ancestry Search Louisa Chrystal , daughter of George Chrystal and Anne Chrystal, was born in Gort, Kiltartan civil parish, Galway around 1849. She didn't marry in Ireland. [the family bible gives Louisa Margaret ROSS ms CHRYSTAL as b. 1850] And from her death certificate Louisa's death certificate gives the following information: d. Oct 1923, aged 73 - years in New Zealand were 45, which means she may have emigrated to New Zealand 1878 aged 28. Her marriage certificate says she married 07 August 1880 aged 30 years. Thank you. Jeni From: Mary Paton Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 7:43 AM To: Jeni Simpson ; AyrshireList Subject: Re: [AYR] George CHRYSTAL b. c 1809 somewhere in Ayrshire Hi Jeni, Here's a possible for you - born 1808! 111/04/1808 CHRYSTAL GEORGE ROBERT CHRYSTAL/HELEN WATSON FR1182 CHILD 4 (FR1182) M BARONY GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 622/00 0050 0030 I don't know whether he'll prove to be a brother of James the minister in Auchinleck. The latter celebrated the marriage my gg-grandparents and was still there in Auchinleck for their Golden Wedding in 1884 so he didn't go to Ireland or NZ! Hope this helps. Cheers, Mary

Hi Jeni A Chrystal family living in Kilmarnock below. James was born in Clackmannon according to the 1851 census. There are a number of Chrystal families living in Clackmannon on varies census. Some came from Kildress Ireland. KILMARNOCK with the villages of Riccarton and Kilmaurs Ayrshire Directory, 1837, by Pigot & Co LINEN & WOOLLEN DRAPERS AND HABERDASHERS Chrystal, James, 46 Portland st >From the 1841 census 1841 Scotland Census about James Chrystal Name: James Chrystal Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Kilmarnock County: Ayrshire Address: St Marnock Street Occupation: Draper Parish Number: 597 Household Members: Name Age James Chrystal 30 Agnes Chrystal 20 Janet Caldwell 15 I think this is the same family on the 1851 census. James has a change of occupation??? 1851 Scotland Census about James Chrystal Name: James Chrystal Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Agnes Caldwell born Troon Ayrshire Gender: Male Where born: Clackmannan Parish Number: 644/1 Civil Parish: Glasgow St George County: Lanarkshire Address: 24 Robertson St Occupation: Coal Merchant ED: 35 Page: 23 (click to see others on page) Household Schedule Number: 86 Line: 20 Roll: CSSCT1851_154 Household Members: Name Age James Chrystal 40 Agnes Caldwell 32 Alexr Chrystal 9 Margt Chrystal 7 Katharine Chrystal 6 Robert Chrystal 4 James Chrystal 2 Cheers Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Jeni Simpson Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:37 PM To: AyrshireList Subject: Re: [AYR] George CHRYSTAL b. c 1809 somewhere in Ayrshire Hi Thanks for this information. I have both George and Robert David, and didn’t have Anne. The eldest child was named William Livingstone CHRYSTAL and the second son was George Livingstone CHRYSTAL. We believe Anne was probably a LIVINGSTONE. We know Robert David belonged to this family, he is on the MI. The children for George and Anne were: William Livingstone b c1845 Gort, Galway Elizabeth b 1846 Ahascragh, Galway George Livngstone b 1848 Ahascragh, Galway Louisa Margaret [sometimes Margaret Louisa and sometimes Margaret] b 1849 Ahascragh, Galway Robert David b 1852 Ahascragh, Galway and one I recently found in the death notices of the NZ Herald Adam John Charles d 1892 in Jerilderie, NSW, Australia DEATHS. New Zealand Herald, Volume XXXIX, Issue 12038, 7 August 1902, Page 4 CHRYSTAL.—On . June 24, at Jerilderie, Adam John Charles, youngest son of the late George Chrystal, of Ayrshire, Scotland; and brother of G. L. Chrystal, Roma, Queensland. I have quite a bit of information about George Livingstone CHRYSTAL and his sons in Roma, Lewis William b 1893 and Robert Livingstone b 1895 Irish Times, December 25, 1915 CHRYSTAL - December 14, 1915 at Roma, Queensland, George Livingstone, second son of George Chrystal of Gort (Co. Galway). I found a tree on mundia with Margaret McColm as wife. She doesn’t mention where George snr was born. I am unsure where to begin to search in Ayrshire for information on George, his date and place of birth, parents and anything else that may be hiding away somewhere. I have checked Scotland’s People to no avail, yet. Jeni Simpson Aotearoa/New Zealand From: Perplexed1 Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:29 PM To: Jeni Simpson Subject: George CHRYSTAL b. c 1809 somewhere in Ayrshire Ancestry has the above on a family tree, but this person is married to Margaret McColm and they had a son George Chrystal (1832-1907). So I think someone has their George's mixed up. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Thank you. I am aware there are many spellings of the name, most common found being CRYSTAL/CHRISTALL, and I try to search using either wildcard or soundex. This information is great and I will certainly check them out. I hadn't thought that 'from Ayrshire' might not mean George was born in Ayrshire, I just expected him to have been :) Might have to broaden my searches. I have noted anomalies in the death notices of two sons;: Adam John Charles was youngest son of the late George Chrystal, of 'Ayrshire, Scotland'; and brother of G. L. Chrystal, Roma, Queensland; George Livingstone, Roma, Queensland, was second son of George Chrystal of 'Gort (Co. Galway)'. The sons will have both been born in Galway. Jeni Simpson Aotearoa/New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Mary Paton Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:27 AM To: Jeni Simpson Subject: Re: [AYR] George CHRYSTAL b. c 1809 somewhere in Ayrshire Hello Jeni, The 1841 for Auchinleck is lost but here is a Crystal family at the manse there in 1851. James was born in the same decade as your George. It is possible he was born in an adjoining county but came from Ayrshire and therefore was considered born Ayrshire. There's only one other Chrystal in Ayrshire freecen 1851 but he is called George - may be a clue. Agnes McColm may have been a Chrystal - she was born in Maybole. Piece: SCT1851/577 Place: Ayr -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 1 Civil Parish: Auchinleck Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Auchinleck Folio: 0 Page: 14 Schedule: 49 Address: The Manse CRYSTAL James Head M M 44 Minister Of Auchinleck Lanarkshire - Glasgow .. Glebe & parks (12ac) CRYSTAL Jane Playfair Dau U F 14 Scholar At Home Ayrshire - Auchinleck CRYSTAL Patrick Son - M 12 Scholar Ayrshire - Auchinleck CRYSTAL James Robert Son - M 11 Scholar Ayrshire - Auchinleck CRYSTAL Andrew Son - M 10 Scholar Ayrshire - Auchinleck CRYSTAL David Son - M 7 Scholar Ayrshire - Auchinleck CRYSTAL John Smith Son - M 5 Ayrshire - Auchinleck CRYSTAL Sophia Ann Dau - F 3 Ayrshire - Auchinleck SHARP Elizabeth Servnt U F 21 Dairymaid & Cook Ayrshire - New Cumnock MOODIE Janet Servnt U F 20 Housemaid Ayrshire - Cumnock Then there is also this one child: Piece: SCT1851/578 Place: Ayr -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 15 Civil Parish: Ayr Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Ayr Folio: 0 Page: 16 Schedule: 57 Address: Thornhill MCCOLM Peter Head M M 81 Formerly Labourer Argyllshire - - MCCOLM Agnes Wife M F 83 Ayrshire - Maybole MCCOLM Mary Dau U F 52 House Servant Ayrshire - Monkton MCCOLM John Son U M 50 Cattle Dealer Ayrshire - Ayr CHRYSTAL George Grnson U M 20 Farm Servant Ayrshire - Ayr I'd try all sorts of spellings in your search - or use wildcards for scotlandspeople. Cheers, Mary

Hi Thanks for this information. I have both George and Robert David, and didn’t have Anne. The eldest child was named William Livingstone CHRYSTAL and the second son was George Livingstone CHRYSTAL. We believe Anne was probably a LIVINGSTONE. We know Robert David belonged to this family, he is on the MI. The children for George and Anne were: William Livingstone b c1845 Gort, Galway Elizabeth b 1846 Ahascragh, Galway George Livngstone b 1848 Ahascragh, Galway Louisa Margaret [sometimes Margaret Louisa and sometimes Margaret] b 1849 Ahascragh, Galway Robert David b 1852 Ahascragh, Galway and one I recently found in the death notices of the NZ Herald Adam John Charles d 1892 in Jerilderie, NSW, Australia DEATHS. New Zealand Herald, Volume XXXIX, Issue 12038, 7 August 1902, Page 4 CHRYSTAL.—On . June 24, at Jerilderie, Adam John Charles, youngest son of the late George Chrystal, of Ayrshire, Scotland; and brother of G. L. Chrystal, Roma, Queensland. I have quite a bit of information about George Livingstone CHRYSTAL and his sons in Roma, Lewis William b 1893 and Robert Livingstone b 1895 Irish Times, December 25, 1915 CHRYSTAL - December 14, 1915 at Roma, Queensland, George Livingstone, second son of George Chrystal of Gort (Co. Galway). I found a tree on mundia with Margaret McColm as wife. She doesn’t mention where George snr was born. I am unsure where to begin to search in Ayrshire for information on George, his date and place of birth, parents and anything else that may be hiding away somewhere. I have checked Scotland’s People to no avail, yet. Jeni Simpson Aotearoa/New Zealand From: Perplexed1 Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:29 PM To: Jeni Simpson Subject: George CHRYSTAL b. c 1809 somewhere in Ayrshire Ancestry has the above on a family tree, but this person is married to Margaret McColm and they had a son George Chrystal (1832-1907). So I think someone has their George's mixed up.

The memorial inscription, below, is all the information I have that informs me George CHRYSTAL was born in Ayrshire. I know nothing else. George is buried in Gort, Galway, Ireland. First I know of him, was his marriage to Anne LIVINGSTON/E, and further to his marriage [1844] followed by the birth of his children in Ahascragh, Gort, Galway, Ireland. "In memoriam George Chrystal. A native of Ayrshire Scotland. Died 30th May 1881 Aged 72. And Anne his beloved wife Died 12th February 1872 aged 54. Also their son Robert David died 24th April 1872 Aged 20. "Until the Day Dawn" George was manager of Lough Cutra Estate south of Gort around 1846. If anyone has any suggestions of where I can begin to search for George in Ayrshire, I’d very much appreciate it. I have searched many places online including RootsIreland and FamilySearch. The 1841 census didn’t seem to include CHRYSTAL at all. His marriage in 1844 suggests he was living in Ireland prior to that date. Whether his wife, Anne LIVINGSTONE, was Scottish or Irish, I do not know. >From RootsIreland Civil Death Record Name: George Chrystal Date of Death: 29-May-1881 Age: 70 Parish / District: GORT Address: The Square County: Co. Galway Status: Widower Denomination: Civil Parish / District Occupation: LAND STEWARD Sex: Male Informant Relationship: Present At Death Name: French Thomas Address: The Square Gort Jeni Simpson Aotearoa/New Zealand

Hi Jeni, Here's a possible for you - born 1808! 111/04/1808 CHRYSTAL GEORGE ROBERT CHRYSTAL/HELEN WATSON FR1182 CHILD 4 (FR1182) M BARONY GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 622/00 0050 0030 I don't know whether he'll prove to be a brother of James the minister in Auchinleck. The latter celebrated the marriage my gg-grandparents and was still there in Auchinleck for their Golden Wedding in 1884 so he didn't go to Ireland or NZ! Hope this helps. Cheers, Mary