The Campbelltown area in Argyllshire was a refuge for persecuted Presbyterians from Ayrshire in the 17th century. A branch of the Howies from Fenwick settled there. There was also a lot of going back and forth between Ulster and Ayrshire... some from northern Ireland settled at Fenwick in William Guthrie's day. Campbelltown would be similarly accessible. I know that in the later 18th century the Presbyterians in Ulster were nearly as marginalized (legally speaking) as the Catholics, because the aristocracy were members of the then "established" Church of Ireland (i.e. Episcopal). That dated from the era of the Glorious Revolution under William and Mary, but on back to the Stuart Restoration as well. I've not heard of Presbyterians not being allowed to baptize or bury folks in Ulster, but I've not done extensive research. In Scotland the only restriction was really on marriage, folks in the non-established denominations still had to have the "banns" proclaimed in the official parish kirk. It is virtually impossible to find surviving records of Presbyterian churches in Ulster. I have a general idea where my Gibson line may have come from in Ulster... but that's it. My spouse's Lindsay line were Church of Ireland before emigrating, and we have more info. on them... back to King Billy's army. The discrimination against poor Presbyterians in Ulster is why so many... whole congregations at times... left for America (Pennsylvania and South Carolina, in particular) in the latter part of the 18th century. Ken C. In a message dated 1/25/2014 2:26:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: One book that I found during my trip to the USA in June 2013 that was new to me was called “The Boyd Family of Pike County, Missouri, The Ancestors and Descendants of John Warren Boyd and Rosalea Helen Baxter, by Mary Ellen Boyd and Herbert Eugene (Gene) Boyd, 2008. I an section dealing with the Sharp Family origins of this book, there was discussion if some members of this family were born in County Antrim or Argyllshire, as they had been Christened at Campbelltown, Arygllshire in the early and mid 1700’s. I am sure that other sections on spouse families also mentioned a similar problem. So the questioned need to be asked ‘when Presbyterian Church were not allowed to Christian, marry or bury their members in Ireland did they travel from northern County Antrim and Londonderry to the Presbyterian Churches in Kintyre, Argyllshire – such as Campbelltown and Southend? I can’t recall what year in the 1700’s that Presbyterian’s were allowed to undertake Church functions and not use the Church of Ireland Churches? So did people living in Northern Ulster, go to Argyllshire for to have their children Christened within the various sects of the Presbyterian Church. With Southend only being about 40 kms from Ballycastle by sea. I assume that people from Larne, Carrickfergus and eastern County Down would have either gone to Ayrshire or a Wigtonshire Churches? So will this mean that while the family actually lived in Ulster, their Church records will be in those nearby Scottish Counties? This book mentions a number of Scottish families, including Wallace, Fullerton, Sharp, Alexander, McCullock, and McKnights. A number of these sound to be good Ayrshire names. I will have to do some further research to see which of these families went from Ulster, to York County, PA, down to Iredell County, North Carolina, Trigg County Kentucky and then onto Pike County, Missouri, but from a very quick read it seems that most of these families intermarried over the generations and through the above migration trail. Do any members know if this actually happened? Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee House of Boyd Society ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janellwhitepalmer Surnames: ERSKINE (Espy or Espie) Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14452/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Need information for parents of Henry ERSKINE (Espy or Espie) born 5 May 1829, St. Quivox and Newton, Ayrshire, Scotland. Father is Henry Espie/Espy (b. 1806 Ireland), mother Helen Dunlop (b. 1811, Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

I know that I have copied the Burgess List for the Town of Ayr, whoever the question is does anyone know if there are any other Towns in Ayrshire that have lists of Burgess? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

I should have pointed out that I am less familiar with volume 1 because the family I'm working on appears with some frequency in volume 2 but not at all in volume 1. Saying that "many of the burgesses of Irvine" can be found in these volumes may not be so true of volume 1. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Loretta Layman Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:21 AM To: 'Mike Boyd'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AYR] Which Ayrshire Towns had Burgess List? I don't know that there's any strict list of burgesses, but many of the burgesses of Irvine, Ayrshire can be gleaned from the two-volume "Muniments of the Royal Burgh of Irvine". Vol. 1 contains burgh records from the 13th-17th centuries with one or two entries from the 18th. Vol. 2 contains burgh records from the 15th-18th centuries. The reason for the overlap in dates is that each volume contains different types of records. Here are the two volumes, imaged and searchable: https://archive.org/stream/munimentsofroyal02shed#page/n7/mode/2up (Vol. 1) https://archive.org/stream/munimentsofroyal02irvi#page/n9/mode/2up (Vol. 2) Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AYR] Which Ayrshire Towns had Burgess List? I know that I have copied the Burgess List for the Town of Ayr, whoever the question is does anyone know if there are any other Towns in Ayrshire that have lists of Burgess? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know that there's any strict list of burgesses, but many of the burgesses of Irvine, Ayrshire can be gleaned from the two-volume "Muniments of the Royal Burgh of Irvine". Vol. 1 contains burgh records from the 13th-17th centuries with one or two entries from the 18th. Vol. 2 contains burgh records from the 15th-18th centuries. The reason for the overlap in dates is that each volume contains different types of records. Here are the two volumes, imaged and searchable: https://archive.org/stream/munimentsofroyal02shed#page/n7/mode/2up (Vol. 1) https://archive.org/stream/munimentsofroyal02irvi#page/n9/mode/2up (Vol. 2) Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AYR] Which Ayrshire Towns had Burgess List? I know that I have copied the Burgess List for the Town of Ayr, whoever the question is does anyone know if there are any other Towns in Ayrshire that have lists of Burgess? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmmm, are there any such lists for Dumfriesshire??? ________________________________ From: Loretta Layman <[email protected]> To: 'Mike Boyd' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [AYR] Which Ayrshire Towns had Burgess List? I don't know that there's any strict list of burgesses, but many of the burgesses of Irvine, Ayrshire can be gleaned from the two-volume "Muniments of the Royal Burgh of Irvine".  Vol. 1 contains burgh records from the 13th-17th centuries with one or two entries from the 18th.  Vol. 2 contains burgh records from the 15th-18th centuries.  The reason for the overlap in dates is that each volume contains different types of records.  Here are the two volumes, imaged and searchable: https://archive.org/stream/munimentsofroyal02shed#page/n7/mode/2up (Vol. 1) https://archive.org/stream/munimentsofroyal02irvi#page/n9/mode/2up (Vol. 2) Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AYR] Which Ayrshire Towns had Burgess List? I know that I have copied the Burgess List for the Town of Ayr, whoever the question is does anyone know if there are any other Towns in Ayrshire that have lists of Burgess? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: claudiaaquinotait Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14432.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the great tips, that helped us as weel, looking for relatives of Alexander Rodger Tait (1849) and Caherine Macdonald Tait (1854) who remained in Scotland. Cheers from Canada. Claudia Tait Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: puclik Surnames: Mcelveny & Wandless Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1172.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: please email as I have info on this family from the Canadian side, looking for more on those who went to the USA. There were two brothers who settled in NB in 1840 both name McElhinney but for some reason one name changed to McElveny... my email is puclikatnbnetdotnbdotca. Thank U E A Kilcup Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JenniferDerby51 Surnames: Marr Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/51.4022.4027.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Connie - I am wondering how you know for sure that the Lawrence Marr whose son David married Sarah Holden was Scotish? I have been trying to piece things together, like everyone else seems to be doing, I too believe that he might have been born in Renfrew Scotland but I would love to have a source to back it up. Thanks in advance for any help - Jennifer Derby Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: claudiaaquinotait Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/133.334.590.2359.3394.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have Robert Tait and Catherine (Kerr) Tait , immigrated to Toronto from Lanarkshire, Scotland ( currently Glasgow i think) in 1914. They had 3 children, William, Isabel and Angus Tait. The only one I am 100% sure stayed in Canada was Angus. Good luck on your search! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Christopher_Chalmers Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/141.1188.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Alexander (the Pater) and Bert came to WA and Bert had three children, Tammy (married Ramsey), Jean (Married Nutting) and Robert Estyn Murray Chalmers (Estyn at home Robert or Bob at work). They all moved to california at some point, and Estyn married Lillian Smith and had three children in Pasadena, CA; Estyn Murray Chalmers II (Murray) b. 1941, Ann Chalmers, and Robert Hugh Murray Chalmers (Hugh). Murray Married Karen Wellman Hall and had two children; Christopher Estyn Chalmers b. 1977 and Scott Alexander Jay Chalmers b1979. Christopher married Carla Louise Pierce b. 1979, and they had Delana Lee Chalmers b. 2004, and David Alexander Estyn Chalmers b. 2005. Scott Married Lisa Beach, and had Dylan Christopher Chalmers. That brings Alexander up to my generation. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

I am looking for the family of Jane Boyd and Robert Nevin. Jane was the first child of David Boyd, of Glastry, County Down, Ireland, and Margaret Kennedy. It is known that David Boyd died in 1694, but he is not listed in 13 Boyd graves at the Church of Ireland churchyard at Ballyhalbert. It is estimated that he was born in the 1630’s. It is known that Jane and Robert had at least one son, as their child Rev Thomas Nevin, who was a Minister in Downpatrick, County Down, but not which church he was a minister of. Rev Thomas married his cousin, Margaret Boyd, who was daughter of Thomas Boyd, the second child of David Boyd and Margaret Kennedy. The only date I have for Thomas’s family is that he died in 1719. Unfortunately, as you can see there is very little information in terms of dates and locations for this family of Glastry Townland. Nor do I know the “status” of David Boyd and his family with regard to Glastry. If they had a lease of Glastry or where tenants of some form. As this Boyd family came outside of Largs, Ayrshire, I am also assuming that the Nevin and Kennedy families may have also come from Ayrshire. If you can provide any additional information on the family of Jane Boyd and Robert Nevin, I would be most grateful Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Australia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: xvile01 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14451/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would like to share info with you. David Mac was my great grand uncle. My family is McCutcheon from cumnock area. Go to ancestry.com under family trees The MurrayTree" My e-mail is [email protected] if you need help. Would appreciate any info you would like to share. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: xvile01 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14450/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The above are my great grand aunt and uncle. I am of the McCutcheons. You are welcome to look at my ancestry.com info under family trees "Murray Tree. There's a lot of info on both. Marsha murray Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: we4r_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14449.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: marion and john scott marion was marion stevens then scott THANSK! Ive just sent away for the death cert21.00 Canadian on my visa as I don't even know her birthdate I will now get it Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kaymcmeekin Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14449.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'll look it up for you next time in. May not be anytime soon. Who are are Flora's parents so I'll know it's the right person? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: we4r_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14449.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I thought I was positive but I saw a census and ow I'm not sure Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: we4r_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14449.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm a scary to order it as I'm not positive it's the right person. When I order here in canada it's more as the exchange . I will find a tree maybe thanks everyone Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Janet_S30 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14449.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You can look it up and print a copy from your own PC if you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. It costs £7 for 30 units which will allow you to look up and print 5 different items. Even so this is cheaper than £21. To go to the Registrar Office in Saltcoats it would cost us the same as it would cost you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ellenadamson1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14449.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It would have to be someone going to New Registry House,Edinburgh to look at records this late ,without paying for the Cert.That is past the date ,we can view on line.Unless you find a tree . Ellen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>