Thanks Sue I can only hope that one day I will get some information on my James Morton. Anne On 04/02/2014 6:35 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 18 (Anne Thomas) > 2. Morton Family (Les & Sue Tuner) > 3. Re: The Bell for Petty Customs (Loretta Layman) > 4. Re: Morton Family (Mike Boyd) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 20:37:51 +1030 > From: Anne Thomas <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AYR] AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 18 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <CADdRhnkX9bvHCgA_+c8cLGB5jgEiH+6hZej= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > My great grandfather was a James Morton married to Jeanie Baird who was > born in Kilmarnock 1865...is there any confirmation that your Morton is the > same line. > I am having a lot of trouble trying to find a connection anywhere with my > great grandparents. > Anne > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE (Les & Sue Tuner) > > 2. Re: MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE (Mike Boyd) > > 3. Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Did County Antrim Presbyterian cross > > toArgyllshire to Christian their children? (Mike Boyd) > > 4. BLAIR FAMILY (Peter STRAUSS) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:20:05 +1300 > > From: "Les & Sue Tuner" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [AYR] MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi, I am new to the List, helping a relation find her family. > > She is looking for help on a James Morton born around 1775 in Galston, > i > > found a james Morton buried 14-9-1861 in Newmilns cemetery not sure if > > that him, he married a marion Caldwell born Kilmarnock around 1779 they > > married in 1805. we know nothing about her my cousin thinks she may have > > died before 1841 census. They had Jean, Ann and( Fanny )who she has a lot > > on her as this is her side.they were from East Ayrshire and id anyone > can > > help me so really appreciate it. > > thank you > > Sue > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:38:23 +1000 > > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [AYR] MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE > > To: "Les & Sue Tuner" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Sue > > You will need to look at the archives for this list. I think it was last > > year that there was a discussion for a Morton, but I can't recall the > first > > name. > > > > Secondly, you will need to go to the "Scotlandspeple" website that is run > > by > > Register House in Edinburgh. The death entry for James Morton, should > > confirm if the two people are the same. If you have trouble, go to your > > local Library in New Zealand and they should be able to assist you. > > > > Thirdly, contact the East Ayrshire Local Studies Library at the Burns > > Centre, Kilmarnock. (You should be able to get their Email from the > > Council > > website.) About 20 years ago, someone had the unemployed go through all > > the > > Cemetries and list the graves. So they should be able to tell you how > else > > is in that grave, etc. > > > > What additional details do you know? Such as which church did they marry > > in? The names of their children and when and where were they married, > etc > > > > Mike Boyd > > Brisbane, Aust. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Les & Sue Tuner > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:20 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [AYR] MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE > > > > Hi, I am new to the List, helping a relation find her family. > > She is looking for help on a James Morton born around 1775 in Galston, > i > > found a james Morton buried 14-9-1861 in Newmilns cemetery not sure if > > that > > him, he married a marion Caldwell born Kilmarnock around 1779 they > married > > in 1805. we know nothing about her my cousin thinks she may have died > > before 1841 census. They had Jean, Ann and( Fanny )who she has a lot on > her > > as this is her side.they were from East Ayrshire and id anyone can help > me > > so really appreciate it. > > thank you > > Sue > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:21:21 +1000 > > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [AYR] [IRL-ANTRIM] Did County Antrim Presbyterian cross > > toArgyllshire to Christian their children? > > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Yes Lee, I think that this was the migration path of these Sharp's. So > if > > these are your Sharp family, it would be well to get this book > > > > Mike Boyd > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lkramsey > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:33 PM > > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; > [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Did County Antrim Presbyterian cross > > toArgyllshire > > to Christian their children? > > > > Mike, > > > > The crossings back to Scotland for religious reasons occurred during the > > period of time when the Presbyterians and their ministers were first > > persecuted, with many of those ministers being deported back to Scotland. > > Those making the crossings for the sacraments were not returning to home > > churches, but rather to the nearest Presbyterian congregation, making > for a > > hasty return trip back to Ireland. This may have been during the mid > > 1600s. > > The "Black Oath" was forced upon the Presbyterians during the early > 1600s. > > This created a good deal of back migration during that period. > > > > These laws of religious discrimination could not be enforced to great > > effect > > and the Presbyterians in Ireland continued their worship and sacraments > in > > private without strict oversight and later with little discernment by > > officials. I do not recall when these laws were repealed, but it seems > > sometime during the latter part of the 1800s. > > > > Specific families from early local histories are not generally known. > > There > > were early Sharp/Sharpe families in the NE corner of Maryland between the > > forks of Elk River, along with other families who went to Mecklenburg > Co., > > NC. I do not recall specifics. If you would like a look-up, I will > check > > to see what I may have. > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:37:58 +1100 > > From: "Peter STRAUSS" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [AYR] BLAIR FAMILY > > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]@iinet.net.au> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > > > Could anyone please assist me in advising what family links there may > have > > been between these Blair family members interred at Restalrig Churchyard > in > > Edinburgh:- > > > > *Miss Catherine Blair, born C 1760, daughter of Alexander Blair, Esq., of > > Port-Glasgow > > > > *Miss Elizabeth Blair, born C 1763, daughter of John Blair, Esq., brother > > of > > Major Hamilton Blair of Blair. > > > > *Janet Blair, born C 1726, relict of Mr. Alexander Tait, WS. > > > > I am also interested as to the reason why Catherine would have been > > interred > > in "Colonel Fullarton's tomb"; neither of the two Colonel Fullarton's of > > Fullarton were in fact buried at Restalrig although the first wife of > > Colonel Stewart Murray Fullarton of Fullarton is interred in Mr. > Alexander > > Tait's tomb. > > > > Colonel William Fullarton of Fullarton's wife, Barbara, was a sister of > > Janet Blair, her father was William Scott Blair. > > > > Peter > > > > Melbourne > > > > Australia > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 18 > > *************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 02:47:04 +1300 > From: "Les & Sue Tuner" <[email protected]> > Subject: [AYR] Morton Family > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks to the two people who answered me on James Morton. All i know is > James Morton died 1861 was born in Galston East Ayrshire and married > marion Caldwell born Kilmarnock and these two married in 1805 Kilmarnock > . they had Jean, Fanny and Ann. > I am helping a cousin we know about Scottish people but she just cannot > afford it sorry to say. Ann i dont think a connection sad to say. We have > a few burial books of Ayrshire in our library but none to be around that > area. > regards Sue > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 10:32:37 -0500 > From: "Loretta Layman" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AYR] The Bell for Petty Customs > To: "'John Humphrey'" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ah, the proverbial tax collector! Hi John. Thanks so much for the great > historical background! > > Loretta > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of John Humphrey > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 1:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AYR] The Bell for Petty Customs > > On 2/1/2014 3:52 PM, Loretta Layman wrote: > > Irvine burgh records for 1679 mention a payment of two shillings six > > denarii to three men who "went with the bell for the petty customes". > > Does anyone know what the term means? The men were recorded as > > Bayliffe Mountgomerie, Alexander Dyett, and William Lyne. > > Hello Loretta, > > My understanding is that "petty customs" were the multitude of various > minor > tolls, impositions, levies etc imposed by mediaeval and early-modern burghs > on goods sold or stored within their boundaries, especially at their > markets. They were originally a major source of independent revenue, but > they became a nuisance to assess and collect, and a pesky impediment for > business. Eventually these "petty customs" > were abolished in Scotland (1870) and absorbed within a uniform system of > property taxes. > > A small list of those that had survived until then is given in the 1868 PO > Directory for Kilmarnock p136-8: > > /"TABLE OF DUES AND CUSTOMS EXIGIBLE BY THE MAGISTRATES AND COUNCIL OF THE > BURGH OF KILMARNOCK/ > > Upon the following Articles, when brought for sale within said Burgh, and > also of the Weigh-House and Cellarage or Storage Dues, namely:- > > /1-MEAL AND MALT DUES/ > > /On each Boll of Town Malt- - - - - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - > -- - - - - - -1d. Stg./ > > /On each Boll of Country Malt - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - -2d."/ > > /On each Sack of Meal or other Grain of two Bolls of 280lbs - - - - - - > - - 4d."/ > > /On each Bag of Barley- - - - - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - > - - - - - - - - -3d."//etc...etc.../ > > // > > /(T)he same is Leviable whether said Articles are sold for the use or > consumption of the inhabitants of the Burgh, or for the purpose of being > resold therein, either by Wholesale or Retail.../ > > // > > /On each Basket of Butter, or Eggs, or Fowls - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - //1/ 2d. Stg.../ > > // > > /On each Hogshead of Lintseed by Freemen or Burgesses - - - - - - - - - > -10d. "/ > > /On each Hogshead of Lintseed by Non-Freemen - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 1s. > 8d. "/ > > /On every Flesher's Stand, by Strangers and Non-Freemen, - - - - - - - - > -1d. "..../ > > // > > /On every Web of Green Linen, of 30 ells, in time of Fairs, - - - - - - > - - -1d. "..../ > > // > > /On every living Cow, Bull, or Ox - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > -- - - - - - 3d. Stg..../ > > // > > /Weigh-House dues, and also Cellarage or Storage dues, to be to be uplifted > on the following Articles placed within the Market in Green Street./ > > /On each Cart of Hay weighed- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - > - - - - - 4d. Stg./ > > /On each Cart of Coal weighed- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - > - - - - - -1d."/ > > /On all Goods weighed with Avoirdupois weight, for each 112 lbs - - - - > -//1/2d. Stg.../ > > // > > /On all Goods lying in the Weigh-house one Night, the same dues as for a > Week.../ > > // > > /ALEX. HAMILTON}/ > > /JAMES HAMILTON } TOWN CLERKS/ > > /Kilmarnock//, 25^th October, 1867."/ > > > As for the bailiffs who were paid by the burgh for "going with the bell", I > imagine that this was their recompense for collecting all these > assessments. > Perhaps a handbell was used to symbolize their municipal authority, if not > as a potential safety alarm, during the exercise of their duties; I'm sure > their arrival on the scene was greeted with no more enthusiasm than a > modern > visitation from Inland Revenue. > > John Humphrey > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:36:34 +1000 > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AYR] Morton Family > To: "Les & Sue Tuner" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sue > A) Contact the East Ayrshire Council's Local Studies Library at the > Burns > Centre in Kilmarnock, they should be able to help your with the burial > records for James Morton in 1861. They may even be able to do a look up on > Scotlandspeople to see what his death certificate might tell you - parents, > etc. Ask if they can also look up the earlier birth. etc as well > > B) If not, For the pre 1855 births and marriages, I would suggest that > you contact the North Ayrshire Council Local Studies Library as they have > the old Parish Registers. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Les & Sue Tuner > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AYR] Morton Family > > Thanks to the two people who answered me on James Morton. All i know is > James Morton died 1861 was born in Galston East Ayrshire and married > marion Caldwell born Kilmarnock and these two married in 1805 Kilmarnock . > they had Jean, Fanny and Ann. > I am helping a cousin we know about Scottish people but she just cannot > afford it sorry to say. Ann i dont think a connection sad to say. We have > a > few burial books of Ayrshire in our library but none to be around that > area. > regards Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 23 > *************************************** >

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Sue A) Contact the East Ayrshire Council's Local Studies Library at the Burns Centre in Kilmarnock, they should be able to help your with the burial records for James Morton in 1861. They may even be able to do a look up on Scotlandspeople to see what his death certificate might tell you - parents, etc. Ask if they can also look up the earlier birth. etc as well B) If not, For the pre 1855 births and marriages, I would suggest that you contact the North Ayrshire Council Local Studies Library as they have the old Parish Registers. Mike Boyd Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: Les & Sue Tuner Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AYR] Morton Family Thanks to the two people who answered me on James Morton. All i know is James Morton died 1861 was born in Galston East Ayrshire and married marion Caldwell born Kilmarnock and these two married in 1805 Kilmarnock . they had Jean, Fanny and Ann. I am helping a cousin we know about Scottish people but she just cannot afford it sorry to say. Ann i dont think a connection sad to say. We have a few burial books of Ayrshire in our library but none to be around that area. regards Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to the two people who answered me on James Morton. All i know is James Morton died 1861 was born in Galston East Ayrshire and married marion Caldwell born Kilmarnock and these two married in 1805 Kilmarnock . they had Jean, Fanny and Ann. I am helping a cousin we know about Scottish people but she just cannot afford it sorry to say. Ann i dont think a connection sad to say. We have a few burial books of Ayrshire in our library but none to be around that area. regards Sue

My great grandfather was a James Morton married to Jeanie Baird who was born in Kilmarnock 1865...is there any confirmation that your Morton is the same line. I am having a lot of trouble trying to find a connection anywhere with my great grandparents. Anne On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE (Les & Sue Tuner) > 2. Re: MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE (Mike Boyd) > 3. Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Did County Antrim Presbyterian cross > toArgyllshire to Christian their children? (Mike Boyd) > 4. BLAIR FAMILY (Peter STRAUSS) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:20:05 +1300 > From: "Les & Sue Tuner" <[email protected]> > Subject: [AYR] MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, I am new to the List, helping a relation find her family. > She is looking for help on a James Morton born around 1775 in Galston, i > found a james Morton buried 14-9-1861 in Newmilns cemetery not sure if > that him, he married a marion Caldwell born Kilmarnock around 1779 they > married in 1805. we know nothing about her my cousin thinks she may have > died before 1841 census. They had Jean, Ann and( Fanny )who she has a lot > on her as this is her side.they were from East Ayrshire and id anyone can > help me so really appreciate it. > thank you > Sue > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:38:23 +1000 > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AYR] MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE > To: "Les & Sue Tuner" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sue > You will need to look at the archives for this list. I think it was last > year that there was a discussion for a Morton, but I can't recall the first > name. > > Secondly, you will need to go to the "Scotlandspeple" website that is run > by > Register House in Edinburgh. The death entry for James Morton, should > confirm if the two people are the same. If you have trouble, go to your > local Library in New Zealand and they should be able to assist you. > > Thirdly, contact the East Ayrshire Local Studies Library at the Burns > Centre, Kilmarnock. (You should be able to get their Email from the > Council > website.) About 20 years ago, someone had the unemployed go through all > the > Cemetries and list the graves. So they should be able to tell you how else > is in that grave, etc. > > What additional details do you know? Such as which church did they marry > in? The names of their children and when and where were they married, etc > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Les & Sue Tuner > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:20 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AYR] MORTON FAMILY FROM EAST AYRSHIRE > > Hi, I am new to the List, helping a relation find her family. > She is looking for help on a James Morton born around 1775 in Galston, i > found a james Morton buried 14-9-1861 in Newmilns cemetery not sure if > that > him, he married a marion Caldwell born Kilmarnock around 1779 they married > in 1805. we know nothing about her my cousin thinks she may have died > before 1841 census. They had Jean, Ann and( Fanny )who she has a lot on her > as this is her side.they were from East Ayrshire and id anyone can help me > so really appreciate it. > thank you > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:21:21 +1000 > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AYR] [IRL-ANTRIM] Did County Antrim Presbyterian cross > toArgyllshire to Christian their children? > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Yes Lee, I think that this was the migration path of these Sharp's. So if > these are your Sharp family, it would be well to get this book > > Mike Boyd > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lkramsey > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:33 PM > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Did County Antrim Presbyterian cross > toArgyllshire > to Christian their children? > > Mike, > > The crossings back to Scotland for religious reasons occurred during the > period of time when the Presbyterians and their ministers were first > persecuted, with many of those ministers being deported back to Scotland. > Those making the crossings for the sacraments were not returning to home > churches, but rather to the nearest Presbyterian congregation, making for a > hasty return trip back to Ireland. This may have been during the mid > 1600s. > The "Black Oath" was forced upon the Presbyterians during the early 1600s. > This created a good deal of back migration during that period. > > These laws of religious discrimination could not be enforced to great > effect > and the Presbyterians in Ireland continued their worship and sacraments in > private without strict oversight and later with little discernment by > officials. I do not recall when these laws were repealed, but it seems > sometime during the latter part of the 1800s. > > Specific families from early local histories are not generally known. > There > were early Sharp/Sharpe families in the NE corner of Maryland between the > forks of Elk River, along with other families who went to Mecklenburg Co., > NC. I do not recall specifics. If you would like a look-up, I will check > to see what I may have. > > Lee > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:37:58 +1100 > From: "Peter STRAUSS" <[email protected]> > Subject: [AYR] BLAIR FAMILY > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]@iinet.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Could anyone please assist me in advising what family links there may have > been between these Blair family members interred at Restalrig Churchyard in > Edinburgh:- > > *Miss Catherine Blair, born C 1760, daughter of Alexander Blair, Esq., of > Port-Glasgow > > *Miss Elizabeth Blair, born C 1763, daughter of John Blair, Esq., brother > of > Major Hamilton Blair of Blair. > > *Janet Blair, born C 1726, relict of Mr. Alexander Tait, WS. > > I am also interested as to the reason why Catherine would have been > interred > in "Colonel Fullarton's tomb"; neither of the two Colonel Fullarton's of > Fullarton were in fact buried at Restalrig although the first wife of > Colonel Stewart Murray Fullarton of Fullarton is interred in Mr. Alexander > Tait's tomb. > > Colonel William Fullarton of Fullarton's wife, Barbara, was a sister of > Janet Blair, her father was William Scott Blair. > > Peter > > Melbourne > > Australia > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 18 > *************************************** >

Ah, the proverbial tax collector! Hi John. Thanks so much for the great historical background! Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Humphrey Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 1:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AYR] The Bell for Petty Customs On 2/1/2014 3:52 PM, Loretta Layman wrote: > Irvine burgh records for 1679 mention a payment of two shillings six > denarii to three men who "went with the bell for the petty customes". > Does anyone know what the term means? The men were recorded as > Bayliffe Mountgomerie, Alexander Dyett, and William Lyne. Hello Loretta, My understanding is that "petty customs" were the multitude of various minor tolls, impositions, levies etc imposed by mediaeval and early-modern burghs on goods sold or stored within their boundaries, especially at their markets. They were originally a major source of independent revenue, but they became a nuisance to assess and collect, and a pesky impediment for business. Eventually these "petty customs" were abolished in Scotland (1870) and absorbed within a uniform system of property taxes. A small list of those that had survived until then is given in the 1868 PO Directory for Kilmarnock p136-8: /"TABLE OF DUES AND CUSTOMS EXIGIBLE BY THE MAGISTRATES AND COUNCIL OF THE BURGH OF KILMARNOCK/ Upon the following Articles, when brought for sale within said Burgh, and also of the Weigh-House and Cellarage or Storage Dues, namely:- /1-MEAL AND MALT DUES/ /On each Boll of Town Malt- - - - - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - - - -1d. Stg./ /On each Boll of Country Malt - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -2d."/ /On each Sack of Meal or other Grain of two Bolls of 280lbs - - - - - - - - 4d."/ /On each Bag of Barley- - - - - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -3d."//etc...etc.../ // /(T)he same is Leviable whether said Articles are sold for the use or consumption of the inhabitants of the Burgh, or for the purpose of being resold therein, either by Wholesale or Retail.../ // /On each Basket of Butter, or Eggs, or Fowls - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - //1/ 2d. Stg.../ // /On each Hogshead of Lintseed by Freemen or Burgesses - - - - - - - - - -10d. "/ /On each Hogshead of Lintseed by Non-Freemen - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 1s. 8d. "/ /On every Flesher's Stand, by Strangers and Non-Freemen, - - - - - - - - -1d. "..../ // /On every Web of Green Linen, of 30 ells, in time of Fairs, - - - - - - - - -1d. "..../ // /On every living Cow, Bull, or Ox - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - 3d. Stg..../ // /Weigh-House dues, and also Cellarage or Storage dues, to be to be uplifted on the following Articles placed within the Market in Green Street./ /On each Cart of Hay weighed- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - 4d. Stg./ /On each Cart of Coal weighed- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - -1d."/ /On all Goods weighed with Avoirdupois weight, for each 112 lbs - - - - -//1/2d. Stg.../ // /On all Goods lying in the Weigh-house one Night, the same dues as for a Week.../ // /ALEX. HAMILTON}/ /JAMES HAMILTON } TOWN CLERKS/ /Kilmarnock//, 25^th October, 1867."/ As for the bailiffs who were paid by the burgh for "going with the bell", I imagine that this was their recompense for collecting all these assessments. Perhaps a handbell was used to symbolize their municipal authority, if not as a potential safety alarm, during the exercise of their duties; I'm sure their arrival on the scene was greeted with no more enthusiasm than a modern visitation from Inland Revenue. John Humphrey --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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On 2/1/2014 3:52 PM, Loretta Layman wrote: > Irvine burgh records for 1679 mention a payment of two shillings six denarii > to three men who "went with the bell for the petty customes". Does anyone > know what the term means? The men were recorded as Bayliffe Mountgomerie, > Alexander Dyett, and William Lyne. Hello Loretta, My understanding is that "petty customs" were the multitude of various minor tolls, impositions, levies etc imposed by mediaeval and early-modern burghs on goods sold or stored within their boundaries, especially at their markets. They were originally a major source of independent revenue, but they became a nuisance to assess and collect, and a pesky impediment for business. Eventually these "petty customs" were abolished in Scotland (1870) and absorbed within a uniform system of property taxes. A small list of those that had survived until then is given in the 1868 PO Directory for Kilmarnock p136-8: /"TABLE OF DUES AND CUSTOMS EXIGIBLE BY THE MAGISTRATES AND COUNCIL OF THE BURGH OF KILMARNOCK/ Upon the following Articles, when brought for sale within said Burgh, and also of the Weigh-House and Cellarage or Storage Dues, namely:- /1-MEAL AND MALT DUES/ /On each Boll of Town Malt- - - - - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - - - -1d. Stg./ /On each Boll of Country Malt - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -2d."/ /On each Sack of Meal or other Grain of two Bolls of 280lbs - - - - - - - - 4d."/ /On each Bag of Barley- - - - - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -3d."//etc...etc.../ // /(T)he same is Leviable whether said Articles are sold for the use or consumption of the inhabitants of the Burgh, or for the purpose of being resold therein, either by Wholesale or Retail.../ // /On each Basket of Butter, or Eggs, or Fowls - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - //1/ 2d. Stg.../ // /On each Hogshead of Lintseed by Freemen or Burgesses - - - - - - - - - -10d. "/ /On each Hogshead of Lintseed by Non-Freemen - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 1s. 8d. "/ /On every Flesher's Stand, by Strangers and Non-Freemen, - - - - - - - - -1d. "..../ // /On every Web of Green Linen, of 30 ells, in time of Fairs, - - - - - - - - -1d. "..../ // /On every living Cow, Bull, or Ox - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - 3d. Stg..../ // /Weigh-House dues, and also Cellarage or Storage dues, to be to be uplifted on the following Articles placed within the Market in Green Street./ /On each Cart of Hay weighed- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - 4d. Stg./ /On each Cart of Coal weighed- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - -1d."/ /On all Goods weighed with Avoirdupois weight, for each 112 lbs - - - - -//1/2d. Stg.../ // /On all Goods lying in the Weigh-house one Night, the same dues as for a Week.../ // /ALEX. HAMILTON}/ /JAMES HAMILTON } TOWN CLERKS/ /Kilmarnock//, 25^th October, 1867."/ As for the bailiffs who were paid by the burgh for "going with the bell", I imagine that this was their recompense for collecting all these assessments. Perhaps a handbell was used to symbolize their municipal authority, if not as a potential safety alarm, during the exercise of their duties; I'm sure their arrival on the scene was greeted with no more enthusiasm than a modern visitation from Inland Revenue. John Humphrey --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lizziesmom_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/5292.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have this on a piece of paper shaped like a tombstone that my Grandmother had in her history papers collection! I am thinking that William and Sarah are the parents of a lady name Elizabeth Monaghan who married a John McAvoy. Elizabeth is my Great Great Grandmother she moved from Scotland to Manitoba Canada. Any other information would be great or just to connect trees. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lizziesmom_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1978.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It was a long time since this was written but I was wondering if you have anymore on this family. I am pretty sure that the William Monaghan is my relative who married a lady named Sarah and they had Elizabeth who is my great great grandmother. Any info would be great thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

During my trip to the USA in June 2013, I filled in time in Philadelphia before going to the Lancaster County, PA Games. The first venue I went to was the Historical Society of Pennsylvania 1300 Locust Street, Philadelphia. Amongst one bundle of papers of 100 pages, it had a “page 3” which showed generation 35 to 44 of the Boyd chiefs family tree, up to William Boyd, 4th Earl of Kilmarnock. While below this list is the Montgomery connection to the Boyds and outlining the Lairds of Braidstane, down to Hugh Montgomery, 6th Laird and his four sons, Thomas, Robert, William and Archibald. It then added that “Robert, the 2nd son, married Jane, eldest daughter of David Boyd, of Glastry and had Rev Thomas Montgomery, of Downpatrick, Co. Down, who married his cousin Margaret (d. 1767) daughter of Thomas Boyd, of Glastry.” The next set of “unsourced” pages are concerning David Boyd of Shippensburg, PA, who was captured by Indian in Feb. 1756 and was the son of John Boyd and Nancy Urie, who was killed by the Indian in this raid. This SEEMS TO IMPLY that this John Boyd of Ireland was part of Colonel David Boyd’s family, but the pages that might show this connection were not included in the papers that were copied for me. So it would appear from these unknown published sources that someone/s have drawn a connection between these two. So we need to see what these “unnamed sources” are and what they tell us about this John Boyd of Shippensburg, PA and his origins. John Boyd, was born in the North of Ireland, in 1700-1710, and when about eighteen years of age, he emigrated to America. It is not known if he came with parents; other siblings or by himself. Family tradition gives his first location in Northumberland County, PA, but this hardly likely, as Northumberland County, at this time (1730’s?) was unsettled territory. [Could Northumberland County have been confused with Northampton County, which was formed from Bucks County in 1752, and this area had the Craig or Irish Settlement?] Investigations points to York County [this was Lancaster County prior to 1749], here, as in no other counties, is found the Boyds, the Uries, and John Stewart, all owning land and paying taxes, prior to 1751, at which date they are together again in Franklin Co., Lurgan Township. [Franklin County was formed form Cumberland County in 1784, while Cumberland County was formed form Lancaster County in 1750.] There were other Boyd families in Lurgan Township Franklin County, PA in this same time frame. It was just about 1750, according to well authenticated tradition, that John Boyd and a friend John Stewart, removed from their first location to what is now Franklin County and called the Conococheague Settlement. John Boyd’s farm was situated on the Conondoguinett Creek, two and one half miles from Chambersburg, on the Harrisburg Pike. This John Boyd’s family is commonly called the Boyds of Shippensburg, PA John Boyd’s son, David Boyd, who married Elizabeth Henderson, moved to Hopewell Township, Washington County, PA in 1787. While it is known in 1822 David Boyd and Mary Bryson, came to America and settled in Elizabeth township Allegheny County, PA. This David Boyd’s ancestors can be traced back to Colonel David Boyd of Greyabbey Parish, County Down. We also know that three brothers came to the New Windsor, Orange County, NY in the 1750’s from Ballyhalbert, Ards Peninsular, County Down. IT IS THOUGHT, they are descendants of Colonel David Boyd’s son who went to Glastry townland, about 2 miles west of Ballyhalbert, but no link as yet been found expect the location. So the question is “has anyone of the male Boyd descendants undertaken the 67 maker DNA test”? Over the last decade or so, I know that there have been a number – over 20 researchers – that I have been in contact with, however, I can’t recall if I was told if any of the male Boyd descendants of this family had undertaken a DNA test. So have any of the Boyds of Shippensburg, PA compared their DNA with the family of David Boyd and Mary Bryson of Elizabeth Township, Allegheny County, PA? There could be as many as 4 to 7 generations before they make a common link. If my THEORY IS CORRECT, these Boyd descendants will be able to make a linkage to the fifth Lord Boyd and back to the first Boyd Chief. Other Ards Peninsular families may have followed this Boyd migrations. Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee House of Boyd Society 2/2/2014 [Sent to Boyd and Down lists 2/2/2014

The "Stirrat" name would also be a very good candidate for alternate spellings, so the original requestor may need to also LOOK UNDER ALTERNATE SPELLINGS for Stirrat. Mike Boyd Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: Meg Greenwood {[email protected]} Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 2:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AYR] STIRRAT marriages, 1855 in Ayrshire The old IGI has several STIRRAT marriages in Ayrshire. Wasn't following this thread, if any of these are of interest, I can get full details, write to me at [email protected] 1855 Marriages Dalry James IRVINE to Margaret STIRRAT, Sept 10 Dundonald David STIRRAT to Grace ANDREW, Oct 2 Kilbirnie James STIRRAT to Agnes ORR, March 9 Robert WILSON to Jean STIRRAT, Nov 16 Kilwinning John SHEDDON to Margaret STIRRAT, July 17 No other 1855s come up in Ayrshire for STIRRAT with any other surname as spouse. MegG in OK ===================================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fay, there is a marriage on ScotlandsPeople 1858 in Ayrshire for a William STIRRAT + ORR, using any form of Jxxxxx or only J it does not come up. Using only surnames there is also another STIRRAT + ORR marriage in 1855 Ayr. It still might be worth viewing the page with both entries, never know she may have been given a forename the same as another member of the family and chose to use Jeanie. Have you checked the Ayrshire list archives for any other enquiries on these surnames? Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Fay Will Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AYR] STIRRAT INFO Thanks Mike, Cannot find on ScotlandsPeople but will get in touch with North Ayrshire Local Studies Library. Your encouragement is appreciated. Fay. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Donna4143K Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6840.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi (again) Ilene, Did you view the posting on 20 April 2006 by nannieann13? There is a KIRKWOOD/ARCHIBALD connection there. It seems I might have a connection on another branch of the "tree" Regards Donna Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Donna4143K Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6840.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Ilene, I have one of my Margaret KIRKWOODs b1821 but married Patrick McMurry and had 6 children over a few years and no 2nd marriage. Another Margaret KIRKWOOD, b 1838, never married but had a son (my Great grandfather), b 1863. Have you found death dates for the ARCHIBALD/KIRKWOOD couple? I think there are/were 2-3 KIRKWOOD lines in the Dalry, Ayrshire area--likely all 'connected' at some point. We could be connected eventually. Regards Donna Kirkwood Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ij_gor Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6840.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Donna Your posting was a few years ago now, I was looking through old posting when I found it, so I put a post on about Margaret Kirkwood, Dalry, could we possibly have a connection. Ilene Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ij_gor Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6840.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Ann Searching through old posting and found yours, although it was put on many years ago, I thought I would post this just in case you are still on ancestry. My ancestor Margaret Archibald born abt 1821 in Dalry her father was Robert Archibald (Farmer) and her mother Margaret Kirkwood, to date I do not have any more information on Margaret Kirkwood. Do you think there is a connection with your Margaret Kirkwood, I live in Dalry. Ilene Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

On 01/02/2014 16:03, Meg Greenwood {[email protected]} wrote: > The old IGI has several STIRRAT marriages in Ayrshire. Wasn't following > this thread, if any of these are of interest, I can get full details, > write to me at [email protected] > Fay, You need to remember that almost all scotlandspeople and IGI marriages for Scotland are Church of Scotland ones, with most of the other denominations like United Free Church not being included. There is also the problem of common law marriage by declaration so you may not find the marriage you are seeking. After 1855 there is a greater chance of finding the marriage as civil registration started in that year. Don't forget that if you find any event BMD for 1855 there will be a lot more information on the certificate than for later years. For example a birth certificate will say how many children the mother already had and if they are still living. Nuala

Irvine burgh records for 1679 mention a payment of two shillings six denarii to three men who "went with the bell for the petty customes". Does anyone know what the term means? The men were recorded as Bayliffe Mountgomerie, Alexander Dyett, and William Lyne. For anyone interested in Irvine burgh records, volumes 1 and 2 of "Muniments of the Royal Burgh of Irvine" are at www.openlibrary.org. It's searchable, and you can copy and paste pages into a document, email, or otherwise on your company. Loretta (Lynn) Layman

Fay You have two sources to get this information A) From "scotlandspeople" website run by New Register House, you should be able to find this marriage. B) Or you can contact the North Ayrshire Local Studies Library (through their websiite) and ask them to look it up for you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Fay Will Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 6:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AYR] WILLIAM STIRRAT Dear Listers, Greetings to all. I am a first timer to Ayrshire and hope to make some discoveries. In the parish of Lochwinnoch in1872 Robert STIRRAT farmer Kilbirnie married Elizabeth Craig, farmer's daughter Lochwinnoch. I have become stuck with marriage date of Robert's father and mother William STIRRAT and Jeanie Orr and unable to find older information. If anyone can identify this STIRRAT family would be very happy to hear further. Many thanks. Fay. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message