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Such excellent information from all of you, and I am very appreciative! Thanks! > From: [email protected] > Subject: AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 72 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 01:00:26 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. A question about tollkeepers (Beth Ostlund) > 2. Re: A question about tollkeepers (Deborah Rea) > 3. Re: A question about tollkeepers (Deborah Rea) > 4. Re: A question about tollkeepers (John Humphrey) > 5. Re: A question about tollkeepers (Mike Boyd) > 6. Fw: [HBS] Bannockburn 2014 (Mike Boyd) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 14:04:00 +0000 > From: Beth Ostlund <[email protected]> > Subject: [AYR] A question about tollkeepers > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone know if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? > > I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so might just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? > > Thanks very much. > > Beth Ostlund-Wood > Renwick, Iowa USA > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:22:49 +0100 > From: Deborah Rea <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AYR] A question about tollkeepers > To: Beth Ostlund <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Beth, > > Have you read David McClure's book entitled *Tolls and Tacksmen: > Eighteenth Century Roads in the county of John Loudoun McAdam *(IBSN > 0-9502698-5-9)? As far as I can see McClure doesn't define the word > Tacksmen however according to Wikipedia, the meaning of a tacksman is > summed up as the following: > > "Next in dignity to the laird is the Tacksman; a large taker or > lease-holder of land, of which he keeps part as a domain in his own hand, > and lets part to under-tenants. The tacksman is necessarily a man capable > of securing to the laird the whole rent, and is commonly a collateral > relation. These tacks, or subordinate possessions, were long considered as > hereditary, and the occupant was distinguished by the name of the place at > which he resided. He held a middle station, by which the highest and the > lowest orders were connected. He paid rent and reverence to the laird, and > received them from the tenants. This tenure still subsists, with its > original operation, but not with its primitive stability" > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacksman. > > John Loudoun McAdam was the son of an Ayrshire landowner. He made his > fortune as a merchant in New York. When he returned to Britain he was > appalled by the condition of the rubble-built roads. His solution was to > 'macadamised' road surfaces which were smooth, hard and flat. Small broken > stones were arranged in thin layers, which locked together nder the traffic > flow, resulting in an easy-to-maintain and durable road surface ( > http://www.nationalgalleries.org/collection/artists-a-z/E/3227/artist_name/Augustin%20Edouart/record_id/2912). > > > Back to the book - a turnpike act gave a group of people the right to put a > gate across a road and to charge travellers for passing through it. In > return they were expected to maintain the road in a satisfactory condition > (p. 4-5). This first act began in 1767. James Ferguson, writer > (solicitor) of Ayr was the clerk pro tempore until he died in 1773. This > book, while only 56 pages is jammed pack with lots of information. It > would be interesting to know your ancestral names; I might be able to find > something on them! > > Regards, > Debbie Rea > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Beth Ostlund <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the > > families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my > > reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came > > across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have > > found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the > > tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the > > roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone > > know if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? > > > > I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take > > advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so > > might just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were > > there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been > > considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am > > trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, > > but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > Beth Ostlund-Wood > > Renwick, Iowa USA > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:27:24 +0100 > From: Deborah Rea <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AYR] A question about tollkeepers > To: Beth Ostlund <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Beth - here's a little more about John MacAdam and American roads - > http://www.electricscotland.com/history/other/macadam_john.htm > > Regards, > Debbie > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Deborah Rea <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Hi Beth, > > > > Have you read David McClure's book entitled *Tolls and Tacksmen: > > Eighteenth Century Roads in the county of John Loudoun McAdam *(IBSN > > 0-9502698-5-9)? As far as I can see McClure doesn't define the word > > Tacksmen however according to Wikipedia, the meaning of a tacksman is > > summed up as the following: > > > > "Next in dignity to the laird is the Tacksman; a large taker or > > lease-holder of land, of which he keeps part as a domain in his own hand, > > and lets part to under-tenants. The tacksman is necessarily a man capable > > of securing to the laird the whole rent, and is commonly a collateral > > relation. These tacks, or subordinate possessions, were long considered as > > hereditary, and the occupant was distinguished by the name of the place at > > which he resided. He held a middle station, by which the highest and the > > lowest orders were connected. He paid rent and reverence to the laird, and > > received them from the tenants. This tenure still subsists, with its > > original operation, but not with its primitive stability" > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacksman. > > > > John Loudoun McAdam was the son of an Ayrshire landowner. He made his > > fortune as a merchant in New York. When he returned to Britain he was > > appalled by the condition of the rubble-built roads. His solution was to > > 'macadamised' road surfaces which were smooth, hard and flat. Small broken > > stones were arranged in thin layers, which locked together nder the traffic > > flow, resulting in an easy-to-maintain and durable road surface ( > > http://www.nationalgalleries.org/collection/artists-a-z/E/3227/artist_name/Augustin%20Edouart/record_id/2912). > > > > > > Back to the book - a turnpike act gave a group of people the right to put > > a gate across a road and to charge travellers for passing through it. In > > return they were expected to maintain the road in a satisfactory condition > > (p. 4-5). This first act began in 1767. James Ferguson, writer > > (solicitor) of Ayr was the clerk pro tempore until he died in 1773. This > > book, while only 56 pages is jammed pack with lots of information. It > > would be interesting to know your ancestral names; I might be able to find > > something on them! > > > > Regards, > > Debbie Rea > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Beth Ostlund <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the > >> families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my > >> reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came > >> across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have > >> found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the > >> tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the > >> roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone > >> know if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? > >> > >> I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take > >> advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so > >> might just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were > >> there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been > >> considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am > >> trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, > >> but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? > >> > >> Thanks very much. > >> > >> Beth Ostlund-Wood > >> Renwick, Iowa USA > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 15:28:42 -0400 > From: John Humphrey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AYR] A question about tollkeepers > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Beth, > > I think the confusion (or overlap) comes with the terms "toll*_booth_*" > and "toll*_house_*". > > My (very amateur) understanding is this: > > In the late middle ages down to the early 19th century, larger sized > townships like Kilmarnock and Ayr were surrounded by several > _*tollhouses*_ on the various routes out to/ in from the neighbouring > countryside. Each would have a toll_*bar*_ or toll_*gate*_ which > restricted access or indicated a stopping point. For example, around > Kilmarnock were the Beansburn, Townend, Riccarton, Braehead, and > Strandhead tolls. Each of them would collect tolls, as you say - either > for road upkeep or as a municipal levy on goods headed to market. The > tolls were set by and remitted to the turnpike authority or the burgh. > These toll*_houses_* were usually occupied by the family of a > toll_*keeper*_, who was either paid a stipend, or got a slice of the > proceeds, or simply lived rent-free. I would imagine that the keeper > considered it a decent gig from the point of view of stable income and > accommodation. But for obvious reasons - as with meter maids or VAT > collectors - the tolls (and therefore the tollkeepers) were never > popular with the locals. There was occasionally violent resistance to > them (e.g. in 1815, see 'The burning of Wallston Toll in the parish of > Tarbolton, > Ayrshire'[_http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/WallstonToll/wallstontoll.htm]_)___//_ > > > As for combining a tollhouse with an ale-house, or setting up a tavern > alongside, that sounds plausible, but I don't have any examples to point > to other than the Riccarton Toll by the river Irvine over to Kilmarnock > - where a small drinking establishment built from stones from the old > church was erected next to the tollhouse in the early 19th century. > > The advent of railways sounded the death-knell for tollroads and > turnpikes and their keepers; most had gone by the 1870's. Also, in 1870, > municipal "petty customs" - levies on market produce - were abolished by > Act of Parliament and absorbed within the local property tax system. > > As for the issue of jailers, here's where the confusion creeps in. Aside > from a network of one or several toll_*houses*_, townships would have > what was called a toll*_booth_*. But only one. 'The Dictionary of the > Scots Language' defines the tollbooth as:"A public building in a burgh, > used for the collecting of tolls and customs, also the seat of burgh > administration, both civic and legal, and housing the prison". It > served as a headquarters for the officials who supervised the various > outlying tollhouses, set the rates, ensured collection at markets, > administered the roadways etc. It was also usually where the magistrates > court met, and often where public stocks for shaming and punishment etc > might be situated. The Ayr tollbooth was a particularly extensive jail; > it used to hold prisoners appearing at the Circuit Court assize, and > they served their sentences there (including occasional public > execution). It was demolished in 1826 and replaced by a new County Jail > near the seafront. > > Best regards, > John Humphrey (Toronto, Canada) > > > > > On 4/13/2014 10:04 AM, Beth Ostlund wrote: > > > > My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone know if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? > > > > I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so might just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > Beth Ostlund-Wood > > Renwick, Iowa USA > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 09:24:55 +1000 > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AYR] A question about tollkeepers > To: "Beth Ostlund" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Beth > I may also depend on when the Toll gate was open. > > A few years ago in London, I went on a Walking tour - I can't which bridge > we crossed over to see the Dickens sites on the south side of the Thamas - > but the guide said the Toll was locked at at given time and no one could > cross the bridge until it was opened next day, so as a result hotels grew in > that part of London so people could sleep over night until the bridge opened > next day. > > I do not know if the Toll/s in Ayrshire closed at night and there required a > hotel to be built to accommodate those that had to wait until it opened next > day. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth Ostlund > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 12:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AYR] A question about tollkeepers > > > > My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the > families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my > reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came > across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have > found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the > tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the > roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone know > if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? > > I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take > advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so might > just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were > there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been > considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am > trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, > but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? > > Thanks very much. > > Beth Ostlund-Wood > Renwick, Iowa USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:37:59 +1000 > From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> > Subject: [AYR] Fw: [HBS] Bannockburn 2014 > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > As I have not seen any advice about the Pipefest at Stirling on Friday 27 June 2014, I will post this website, so others can either watch or march. While the Boyds were mainly in Ayrshire, they were also in 8 other regions of Scotland, so if your clan is not marching or you do not have a Clan Society, you are mist welcome to come and join us in both the March on Friday evening and at the Clan Tents area at Bannockburn on Saturday and Sunday. > > This will occur in conjunction with the 700th Anniversary of Bannockburn on Saturday 28 June and Sunday 29 June June at Bannockburn. > > Clan Boyd have just registered for the March on Friday evening and we agreed to have a Boyd table at the Clans Tent on Saturday and Sunday. > > We know that Sir Robert Boyd, the fourth head of Clan Boyd was a ?junior commander? at Bannockburn but not what that term means. Nor do we know what other Clan Boyd members might have died and taken part in this Battle. (Times like this you wish you had one of those phones that you could ring your ancestors with.) > > Mike Boyd > Chairman > Historical committee > House of Boyd Society > > From: Melanie Gustin > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:21 AM > To: Mike Boyd ; > > Subject: Re: [HBS] Bannockburn 2014 - planning > > Yes Mike, it starts at Stirling Castle at 6:30. Here is the link: http://www.pipefest.com/. We need to register, no cost. Lots of info on this site, including the route through Stirling and what to wear! > > Melanie > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AYRSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the AYRSHIRE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AYRSHIRE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 72 > ***************************************

As I have not seen any advice about the Pipefest at Stirling on Friday 27 June 2014, I will post this website, so others can either watch or march. While the Boyds were mainly in Ayrshire, they were also in 8 other regions of Scotland, so if your clan is not marching or you do not have a Clan Society, you are mist welcome to come and join us in both the March on Friday evening and at the Clan Tents area at Bannockburn on Saturday and Sunday. This will occur in conjunction with the 700th Anniversary of Bannockburn on Saturday 28 June and Sunday 29 June June at Bannockburn. Clan Boyd have just registered for the March on Friday evening and we agreed to have a Boyd table at the Clans Tent on Saturday and Sunday. We know that Sir Robert Boyd, the fourth head of Clan Boyd was a “junior commander” at Bannockburn but not what that term means. Nor do we know what other Clan Boyd members might have died and taken part in this Battle. (Times like this you wish you had one of those phones that you could ring your ancestors with.) Mike Boyd Chairman Historical committee House of Boyd Society From: Melanie Gustin Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:21 AM To: Mike Boyd ; Subject: Re: [HBS] Bannockburn 2014 - planning Yes Mike, it starts at Stirling Castle at 6:30. Here is the link: http://www.pipefest.com/. We need to register, no cost. Lots of info on this site, including the route through Stirling and what to wear! Melanie

Beth I may also depend on when the Toll gate was open. A few years ago in London, I went on a Walking tour - I can't which bridge we crossed over to see the Dickens sites on the south side of the Thamas - but the guide said the Toll was locked at at given time and no one could cross the bridge until it was opened next day, so as a result hotels grew in that part of London so people could sleep over night until the bridge opened next day. I do not know if the Toll/s in Ayrshire closed at night and there required a hotel to be built to accommodate those that had to wait until it opened next day. Mike Boyd Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: Beth Ostlund Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 12:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AYR] A question about tollkeepers My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone know if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so might just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? Thanks very much. Beth Ostlund-Wood Renwick, Iowa USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ach, I'd love to have a couple of rocking chairs in the shade on a fine summer's day, a bottle of highland nectar, some venison and shortbreads to nibble on and a few hours with two ancestors of my choice ;-) Cliff. ________________________________ From: Mike Boyd <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:37 PM Subject: [AYR] Fw: [HBS] Bannockburn 2014 As I have not seen any advice about the Pipefest at Stirling on Friday 27 June 2014, I will post this website, so others can either watch or march.  While the Boyds were mainly in Ayrshire, they were also in 8 other regions of Scotland, so if your clan is not marching or you do not have a Clan Society, you are mist welcome to come and join us in both the March on Friday evening and at the Clan Tents area at Bannockburn on Saturday and Sunday. This will occur in conjunction with the 700th Anniversary of Bannockburn on Saturday 28 June and Sunday 29 June June at Bannockburn. Clan Boyd have just registered for the March on Friday evening and we agreed to have a Boyd table at the Clans Tent on Saturday and Sunday. We know that Sir Robert Boyd, the fourth head of Clan Boyd was a “junior commander” at Bannockburn but not what that term means.  Nor do we know what other Clan Boyd members might have died and taken part in this Battle.  (Times like this you wish you had one of those phones that you could ring your ancestors with.) Mike Boyd Chairman Historical committee House of Boyd Society From: Melanie Gustin Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:21 AM To: Mike Boyd ;  Subject: Re: [HBS] Bannockburn 2014 - planning Yes Mike, it starts at Stirling Castle at 6:30.  Here is the link: http://www.pipefest.com/ We need to register, no cost.  Lots of info on this site, including the route through Stirling and what to wear! Melanie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Beth - here's a little more about John MacAdam and American roads - http://www.electricscotland.com/history/other/macadam_john.htm Regards, Debbie On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Deborah Rea <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Beth, > > Have you read David McClure's book entitled *Tolls and Tacksmen: > Eighteenth Century Roads in the county of John Loudoun McAdam *(IBSN > 0-9502698-5-9)? As far as I can see McClure doesn't define the word > Tacksmen however according to Wikipedia, the meaning of a tacksman is > summed up as the following: > > "Next in dignity to the laird is the Tacksman; a large taker or > lease-holder of land, of which he keeps part as a domain in his own hand, > and lets part to under-tenants. The tacksman is necessarily a man capable > of securing to the laird the whole rent, and is commonly a collateral > relation. These tacks, or subordinate possessions, were long considered as > hereditary, and the occupant was distinguished by the name of the place at > which he resided. He held a middle station, by which the highest and the > lowest orders were connected. He paid rent and reverence to the laird, and > received them from the tenants. This tenure still subsists, with its > original operation, but not with its primitive stability" > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacksman. > > John Loudoun McAdam was the son of an Ayrshire landowner. He made his > fortune as a merchant in New York. When he returned to Britain he was > appalled by the condition of the rubble-built roads. His solution was to > 'macadamised' road surfaces which were smooth, hard and flat. Small broken > stones were arranged in thin layers, which locked together nder the traffic > flow, resulting in an easy-to-maintain and durable road surface ( > http://www.nationalgalleries.org/collection/artists-a-z/E/3227/artist_name/Augustin%20Edouart/record_id/2912). > > > Back to the book - a turnpike act gave a group of people the right to put > a gate across a road and to charge travellers for passing through it. In > return they were expected to maintain the road in a satisfactory condition > (p. 4-5). This first act began in 1767. James Ferguson, writer > (solicitor) of Ayr was the clerk pro tempore until he died in 1773. This > book, while only 56 pages is jammed pack with lots of information. It > would be interesting to know your ancestral names; I might be able to find > something on them! > > Regards, > Debbie Rea > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Beth Ostlund <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the >> families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my >> reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came >> across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have >> found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the >> tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the >> roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone >> know if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? >> >> I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take >> advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so >> might just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were >> there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been >> considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am >> trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, >> but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? >> >> Thanks very much. >> >> Beth Ostlund-Wood >> Renwick, Iowa USA >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi Beth, Have you read David McClure's book entitled *Tolls and Tacksmen: Eighteenth Century Roads in the county of John Loudoun McAdam *(IBSN 0-9502698-5-9)? As far as I can see McClure doesn't define the word Tacksmen however according to Wikipedia, the meaning of a tacksman is summed up as the following: "Next in dignity to the laird is the Tacksman; a large taker or lease-holder of land, of which he keeps part as a domain in his own hand, and lets part to under-tenants. The tacksman is necessarily a man capable of securing to the laird the whole rent, and is commonly a collateral relation. These tacks, or subordinate possessions, were long considered as hereditary, and the occupant was distinguished by the name of the place at which he resided. He held a middle station, by which the highest and the lowest orders were connected. He paid rent and reverence to the laird, and received them from the tenants. This tenure still subsists, with its original operation, but not with its primitive stability" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacksman. John Loudoun McAdam was the son of an Ayrshire landowner. He made his fortune as a merchant in New York. When he returned to Britain he was appalled by the condition of the rubble-built roads. His solution was to 'macadamised' road surfaces which were smooth, hard and flat. Small broken stones were arranged in thin layers, which locked together nder the traffic flow, resulting in an easy-to-maintain and durable road surface ( http://www.nationalgalleries.org/collection/artists-a-z/E/3227/artist_name/Augustin%20Edouart/record_id/2912). Back to the book - a turnpike act gave a group of people the right to put a gate across a road and to charge travellers for passing through it. In return they were expected to maintain the road in a satisfactory condition (p. 4-5). This first act began in 1767. James Ferguson, writer (solicitor) of Ayr was the clerk pro tempore until he died in 1773. This book, while only 56 pages is jammed pack with lots of information. It would be interesting to know your ancestral names; I might be able to find something on them! Regards, Debbie Rea On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Beth Ostlund <[email protected]> wrote: > > > My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the > families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my > reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came > across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have > found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the > tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the > roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone > know if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? > > I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take > advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so > might just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were > there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been > considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am > trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, > but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? > > Thanks very much. > > Beth Ostlund-Wood > Renwick, Iowa USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Beth, I think the confusion (or overlap) comes with the terms "toll*_booth_*" and "toll*_house_*". My (very amateur) understanding is this: In the late middle ages down to the early 19th century, larger sized townships like Kilmarnock and Ayr were surrounded by several _*tollhouses*_ on the various routes out to/ in from the neighbouring countryside. Each would have a toll_*bar*_ or toll_*gate*_ which restricted access or indicated a stopping point. For example, around Kilmarnock were the Beansburn, Townend, Riccarton, Braehead, and Strandhead tolls. Each of them would collect tolls, as you say - either for road upkeep or as a municipal levy on goods headed to market. The tolls were set by and remitted to the turnpike authority or the burgh. These toll*_houses_* were usually occupied by the family of a toll_*keeper*_, who was either paid a stipend, or got a slice of the proceeds, or simply lived rent-free. I would imagine that the keeper considered it a decent gig from the point of view of stable income and accommodation. But for obvious reasons - as with meter maids or VAT collectors - the tolls (and therefore the tollkeepers) were never popular with the locals. There was occasionally violent resistance to them (e.g. in 1815, see 'The burning of Wallston Toll in the parish of Tarbolton, Ayrshire'[_http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/WallstonToll/wallstontoll.htm]_)___//_ As for combining a tollhouse with an ale-house, or setting up a tavern alongside, that sounds plausible, but I don't have any examples to point to other than the Riccarton Toll by the river Irvine over to Kilmarnock - where a small drinking establishment built from stones from the old church was erected next to the tollhouse in the early 19th century. The advent of railways sounded the death-knell for tollroads and turnpikes and their keepers; most had gone by the 1870's. Also, in 1870, municipal "petty customs" - levies on market produce - were abolished by Act of Parliament and absorbed within the local property tax system. As for the issue of jailers, here's where the confusion creeps in. Aside from a network of one or several toll_*houses*_, townships would have what was called a toll*_booth_*. But only one. 'The Dictionary of the Scots Language' defines the tollbooth as:"A public building in a burgh, used for the collecting of tolls and customs, also the seat of burgh administration, both civic and legal, and housing the prison". It served as a headquarters for the officials who supervised the various outlying tollhouses, set the rates, ensured collection at markets, administered the roadways etc. It was also usually where the magistrates court met, and often where public stocks for shaming and punishment etc might be situated. The Ayr tollbooth was a particularly extensive jail; it used to hold prisoners appearing at the Circuit Court assize, and they served their sentences there (including occasional public execution). It was demolished in 1826 and replaced by a new County Jail near the seafront. Best regards, John Humphrey (Toronto, Canada) On 4/13/2014 10:04 AM, Beth Ostlund wrote: > > My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone know if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? > > I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so might just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? > > Thanks very much. > > Beth Ostlund-Wood > Renwick, Iowa USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

My question is about "tollkeepers". The 1851 Census lists one of the families in my ancestry as being employed as tollkeepers. Somewhere in my reading--not genealogy reading, just general biography or novels--I came across the statement that tollkeepers in Scotland were jailers. But I have found lots of info on Scottish websites about tollkeepers and the tollhouses, and a tollkeeper is described as a "taker of tolls" to use the roads, just as one would expect from the word "tollkeeper". Does anyone know if it was common for the tollkeepers to also be the local jailers? I also have seen where they often also ran a tavern, presumably to take advantage of those who had to stop to pay their tolls to travel on, so might just as well have something to eat and a draft while they were there.....Does that sound right? I wonder if this family would have been considered a good, well-employed family, or a bit disreputable.....I am trying to get a sense of the culture in the 1850s in Scotland in Ayrshire, but that's hard to do from this remove. Can anyone help? Thanks very much. Beth Ostlund-Wood Renwick, Iowa USA

I am looking for the family of John Robertson, a police constable. In particular, I would like to find where he and his family were living in 1911. I have found 5 John Robertsons in Scotland's People but none were the correct family. A son, Eneas Robertson, was born in St Quivox in January 1897 and in the 1901 Census for St Quivox Eneas appears as the 3rd of 5 children. The 1st child was born in Alloway, the remainder in St Quivox. My primary interest is Eneas. He worked as a Marconi Operator in the Great War but died in 1919 of pulmonary TB at the home of a cousin in the Inverness-shire Parish of Insh. He is remembered on the Insh Village War Memorial as his father, John, came from the neighbouring Parish of Alvie. I am not related at all to Eneas but have a deep interest in those whose names appear on the War Memorial. Many thanks for your time Raymond G Green

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: medlockxx Surnames: swift Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14469/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My ancestor William Swift,was born in Hanover County, va and later moved to Fayette County, tn.He died circa 1858. He was married to Eliza A Isbell, and I have info on her. Am trying to find any cemetery records for William. I see that he was in the Civil War, but no fiurther info. One of their daughters, Minnie India,married my great grandfather,Dr. Henry Dixon Green. Lots on them also. Any help on the above?? Many thanks, Mary Lou Green Peterson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: medlockxx Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14468.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: unfinished message--should have said"I have been to Dundonald, Ayshire, and before going, researched all libraries, church records ,etc .in the county. NO records or her." Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: medlockxx Surnames: green Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14468/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am a descendant of robert duff green and eleanor dunn green. I have BEEN to dundonald and previously researched all the libraries, church records, etc. I would like to know where ues available in Dundonald-----nothing. Some folks say that she was the daughter of a william dunn sent over on a prisoner ship in 1716. I have years of reseach on this family, down to me! I have been to Green's Norton twice and have pics of our ancient Greens in effigy inside the church, etc etc. However, be assured that there is NO Lewis Green who is often listed in the same line as one of the 7 sons of Robert and Eleanor. These 7 sons were all over 6 ft. tall, had red hair, and were known as "the Red greens of VA" please respond so we can trade info. ps I also have pictures of Liberty Hall near Culpeper. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Grant_McCall Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6470.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm a great grandson of Bryce McCall, my grand father (William Leckie) went to South Africa with the British army to fight in the Boer War. He settled in Bloemfontein where he was a shop keeper, where my farther was born (also William Leckie). My father lived in the then Rhodesia were I was born. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BMikesell4466 Surnames: Clark in Ayrshire, Scotland Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14467.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, he remigrated in 1847 when he turned 21. Thank anyway for looking for me. Rosie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ellenadamson1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14467.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1841 Census ,not much use Name: Charles Clark Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Ayrshire, Scotland Civil Parish: Tarbolton County: Ayrshire Address: Westhill Occupation: Ag Lab Parish Number: 619 Household Members: Name Age John Mcconnel 50 Agnes Mcconnel 70 Esther Mcconnel 40 Charles Clark 15 Not finding a Bapts.in the IGI records.Scotlandpeoples may have it.Did he emigrate before the 1851 Census? Ellen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BMikesell4466 Surnames: Clark Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14467/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for help in seeing the family of Charles Clark in 1841 Scotland Census. Charles Clark age 15......wanting to know who the rest of his family might be. Appreciate any good deeds.....blessings and thank you! Rosie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kvanwyk51 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14466.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Generation 1 Gilbert Taylor was born in 1803 at Saddell and Skipness Argyllshire Scotland christened on the 26 Nov 1803 Saddell and Skipness I have his death as 9 March 1876 at 13 Gloucester Street, Glasgow, Scotland. I believe his ship was the 'Nyassa' 1861 English Census And he was a Seward And in 1871 census he was a night watchman (shipping), Glasgow Govan. Lanarkshire Generation 2 Catherine and Alex children I found the same one's you have on FS but was not sure if they were the right one's. I have more on Duncan Taylor b 1833, brother of Catherine if interested I more on Gilbert Taylor b 1835 if interested Edward Taylor b. 1837 I also have a child John Taylor b abt 1868 Saltcoats for Edward and Janet ? And daughter Agnes Taylor b. abt 1861 Saltcoats Daughter Elizabeth Taylor b. 1863 Saltcoats Thanks for the Arnott family info, did not have it. And do you know what the names of the Ship's Edward Taylor b. 1837 sailed on? And what ship's Edward Taylor b. 1865 sailed on? Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 51738 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14466.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Descendants of Gilbert TAYLOR Generation No. 1 1. GILBERT1 TAYLOR was born 1803 in Rothesay,Bute,Scotland?, and died 1876 in Tradeston, Lanark, Scotland. He married ELIZABETH MCKINNON 12 Jul 1830 in West Or Old Parish,Greenock,Renfrew,Scotland. She was born 1811 in Ireland or Kilbride, Bute Re 1841 / 1851 Census, and died 1851 in Harbour St., Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland. More About GILBERT TAYLOR: Occupation: Mariner More About ELIZABETH MCKINNON: Fact: Jun 1841, Living at Harbour St., Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland More About GILBERT TAYLOR and ELIZABETH MCKINNON: Marriage: 12 Jul 1830, West Or Old Parish,Greenock,Renfrew,Scotland Children of GILBERT TAYLOR and ELIZABETH MCKINNON are: 2. i. CATHERINE2 TAYLOR, b. 1830, Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland. ii. GILBERT TAYLOR, b. 11 May 1835, Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland. More About GILBERT TAYLOR: Occupation: Apr 1851, Sailor living at Harbour St., Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland 3. iii. EDWARD TAYLOR, b. 1838, Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland; d. 1920, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. Generation No. 2 2. CATHERINE2 TAYLOR (GILBERT1) was born 1830 in Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland. She married ALEXANDER MCBRIDE MILLER 08 May 1850 in Stevenston,Ayr,Scotland, son of WILLIAM? MILLER. He was born 10 Jan 1825 in Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland, and died Bef. Apr 1881 in Glasgow, Barony, Scotland. More About CATHERINE TAYLOR: Occupation: Apr 1881, Widow Domestic living with children at 352 Great Eastern Rd., Barony More About ALEXANDER MCBRIDE MILLER: Occupation: Apr 1851, CHLW at Raise St., Ardrossan More About ALEXANDER MILLER and CATHERINE TAYLOR: Marriage: 08 May 1850, Stevenston,Ayr,Scotland Children of CATHERINE TAYLOR and ALEXANDER MILLER are: i. WILLIAM3 MILLER, b. Abt. Jun 1850, Raise St., Ardrossan, Ayr. ii. MARY JANE MILLER, b. 26 Feb 1856, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. iii. GILBERT EDWARD MILLER, b. 04 Feb 1858, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. iv. ANDREW WASHINGTON MILLER, b. 01 Mar 1860, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. v. DUNCAN EDWARD MILLER, b. 10 Mar 1862, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. vi. MARION MILLER, b. 1865, Kirkintilloch, Lanark, Scotland. vii. JANET MILLER, b. 1875, Glasgow, Barony, Scotland. 3. EDWARD2 TAYLOR (GILBERT1) was born 1838 in Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland, and died 1920 in Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. He married JANET ARNOTT 03 Jan 1860 in Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland, daughter of JOHN ARNOTT and AGNES REID. She was born 08 Jul 1840 in Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland, and died 1909 in Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. More About EDWARD TAYLOR: Occupation: Apr 1881, Chief Officer Ship boarding with wife at 51 Cathcart St., Govan More About EDWARD TAYLOR and JANET ARNOTT: Marriage: 03 Jan 1860, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland Child of EDWARD TAYLOR and JANET ARNOTT is: i. EDWARD3 TAYLOR, b. 1865, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. -------------- Descendants of William ARNOTT Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 ARNOTT was born Abt. 1776 in of Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland. He married JANET SINCLAIR. She was born Abt. 1780 in of Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland. Children of WILLIAM ARNOTT and JANET SINCLAIR are: i. MARY2 ARNOTT, b. 02 Apr 1802, Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland. ii. ISABELL ARNOTT, b. 15 Jun 1806, Stewarton, Ayr, Scotland. 2. iii. JOHN ARNOTT, b. 05 Apr 1808, Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland; d. Aft. Apr 1881, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. iv. WILLIAM ARNOTT, b. 16 May 1810, Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland. v. GEORGE ARNOTT, b. 20 Aug 1812, Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland; d. Bef. 1814, Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland. vi. GEORGE CUNNINGHAM ARNOTT, b. 22 May 1814, Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland; m. ISABELLA SUTHERLAND, 20 Jan 1844, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland; b. Abt. 1823; d. Bef. Apr 1851, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland. More About GEORGE ARNOTT and ISABELLA SUTHERLAND: Marriage: 20 Jan 1844, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland vii. HELEN ARNOTT, b. 21 Aug 1816, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland. viii. JAMES ARNOTT, b. 10 Mar 1819, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland. Generation No. 2 2. JOHN2 ARNOTT (WILLIAM1) was born 05 Apr 1808 in Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland, and died Aft. Apr 1881 in Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. He married AGNES REID. She was born 1810 in Barony, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland, and died Aft. Apr 1881 in Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. More About JOHN ARNOTT: Occupation: Apr 1851, Collier at Peaseweep Row, Dalry, Ayr Children of JOHN ARNOTT and AGNES REID are: i. AGNES3 ARNOTT, b. 1837, Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland; d. Abt. 1841, Middlepart, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland. ii. HERERIAH (HEAYRAKEK HERIAT) ARNOTT, b. 1838, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland; m. MARY MCFADZEAN, 1876, Troon, ayr, Scotland; b. Abt. Oct 1850, Dundonald, Ayr, Scotland. More About HERERIAH ARNOTT and MARY MCFADZEAN: Marriage: 1876, Troon, ayr, Scotland 3. iii. JANET ARNOTT, b. 08 Jul 1840, Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland; d. 1909, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. iv. AGNES ARNOTT, b. 1841, Middlepart, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland. v. JOHN ARNOTT, b. 29 Oct 1842, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. Generation No. 3 3. JANET3 ARNOTT (JOHN2, WILLIAM1) was born 08 Jul 1840 in Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland, and died 1909 in Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. She married EDWARD TAYLOR 03 Jan 1860 in Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland, son of GILBERT TAYLOR and ELIZABETH MCKINNON. He was born 1838 in Saltcoats, Stevenson, Ayr, Scotland, and died 1920 in Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. More About EDWARD TAYLOR: Occupation: Apr 1881, Chief Officer Ship boarding with wife at 51 Cathcart St., Govan More About EDWARD TAYLOR and JANET ARNOTT: Marriage: 03 Jan 1860, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland Child of JANET ARNOTT and EDWARD TAYLOR is: i. EDWARD4 TAYLOR, b. 1865, Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kvanwyk51 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14466.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Ellen. Have seen it, but forgot about it. Thanks for reminding me. :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>