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    1. [AYR] Thomson/Welch/Welsh
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Glenda_FH Surnames: Thomson / Welch / Welsh Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14530/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am researching my grandmother's family. Her name was Margaret Fisher Thomson born 28/09/1898 at Ayr, Scotland. She had a brother William Thomson born 02/04/1900 at Ayr, Scotland. Their parents were William & Helena Thomson (nee Welch/Welsh). Margaret was separated from her brother William after their mother died 22/12/1907 at Paisley, Renfrewshire. I am especially interested in what happened to William. I would appreciate any information regarding this family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/24/2015 02:19:56
    1. [AYR] Geelong Highland Gathering in Victoria Australia, Sunday 1 march 2015
    2. Mike Boyd via
    3. I was advised by Laurie Boyd of Camperdown, Victoria on Thursday night that his Boyds of Pomborneit, Vic. will be hosting a Boyd tent at the Geelong Highland Gathering. (Their first gathering was in 1857.) The Gathering is held at Deakin University Waurn Ponds Campus on Sunday 1 March, starting at 9 am I am going to see my travel agent later today about going down on Saturday afternoon form Brisbane and come home on late morning on Monday. The Games website is http://www.geelonghighlandgathering.org.au/ Not coming from this part of the World, I can only assume that Waurn Ponds is a suburb of Geelong. So those Boyds living “around” Geelong or even in Melbourne might like to take in a day of Scottish Culture. This family is from an area just West of Fort William, Argyllshire, Scotland called Ardgour and this Cadet Branch can go back to about 1400 A. D. – depending on which story you see on their origins. They have only been able to trace their family back to the 1740’s If you are going to attend this Boyd tent, could you contact Laurie Boyd (Email boyd-clan@bigpond.com) of how many of you might be calling by the Boyd tent. While Laurie will be able to answer questions about these Argyll Boyd, I hope that I can answer any other questions you may have (or it will be a little homework for me to find the answer.) I have been going to Ayrshire and Scotland since 2005 looking for known Boyd families, so with the Boyd of Kilmarnock and there various Boyd Cadet Branch have married into quite a number of other Ayrshire families, so I may be able to help with sources for other Clans and to advise on travel “issues” of getting about Ayrshire, Glasgow and Edinburgh if you are wishing to plan a visit over the net few years. Thank you Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee House of Boyd society Brisbane, QLD

    02/21/2015 03:19:06
    1. Re: [AYR] Possible references for Boyd families from the book The Carmichael Clan, Westbrook, and Allied Families, Mrs Opal Carmichael Phoenix, 1984
    2. Deborah Rea via
    3. Hi Turtle, That's a shame! Rosemary is my cousin and does live in Vancouver! Where would I start to research? Regards, Debbie On 20 February 2015 at 17:35, Turtle Bunbury <turtlehistory@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Debbie, > I researched the Mount Cashell story nearly a decade ago and so I’m a > little rusty on the subject … I was also rather hopeless at giving my > sources in those days … > Have you seen all the stuff at > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/r/y/Rosemary-Cryer-Vancouver/GENE1-0005.html and > > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/r/y/Rosemary-Cryer-Vancouver/GENE1-0006.html > … > Pictures of Florence via NPG at > http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp98178/florence-moore-nee-cornelius-countess-mountcashell > > All best for now, > Turtle > > Turtle Bunbury > www.turtlebunbury.com > > *‘The Glorious Madness - Tales of the Irish & the Great War’* (Gill & > Macmillan) - short-listed for the Best Irish-published Book of the Year > 2014. > *'Vanishing Ireland'* - short-listed for Best Irish Published Book of > the Year 2013. > Turtle's book are available from all good bookshops or from his aStore via > Amazon.co.uk > <http://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwturtlebunb-21/detail/0717162346> or > Amazon.com <http://astore.amazon.com/wwwturtlebunb-20/detail/0717162346> > > Oldfort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: > turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > Turtle's historical blog is at www.facebook.com/Wistorical > > > On 19 Feb 2015, at 21:22, Deborah Rea <deborah.rea94@gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually, Turtle, I am wonder if you know more than us! From our > Cornelius records Edward would be the 2nd great grandfather of Henry > Cornelius, the father of Florence. > > We have no information on her at all. We have some pictures but nothing > more. So, where can we get more? I love to research books so if you have > any suggestions please let me know. > > Regards, > Debbie Rea > > On 19 February 2015 at 21:05, Turtle Bunbury <turtlehistory@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks Debbie, I think you have all my knowledge on that link … as I’m >> sure you know, Florence was the youngest daughter of Henry Cornelius of >> Ross-na-Clonagh, Mountrath, Queen’s County [Co. Laois]. Henry's father >> Edward Cornelius lived at Dromore, Coote Hill, Co. Cavan, while his mother >> was born Sophia Atkinson. The 5th Earl died on 20th February 1898 aged 71 >> and was buried at Kilworth. Florence survived him nearly thirty years and >> died in January 1927. All best for now, Turtle >> >> >> On 16 Feb 2015, at 16:09, Deborah Rea <deborah.rea94@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> My grandmother's lst cousin was a Florence Cornelius. She was married to >> Charles William Moore/More, 5th Earl of Mountcashell who was from Moore >> Park, Kilworth, Co. Cork. Charles died without surviving male issue. >> From The Peerage. Extracted from FAMILY HISTORY THE MOUNTCASHELL >> CONNECTION, >> http://www.turtlebunbury.com/history/history_family/hist_family_mountcashell.htm >> On 19th October 1893, the 5th Earl married Florence Cornelius. >> >> I have copied Tuttle's email address here... hopefully he can advise as >> to how to get a copy of the Family History of the Mountcashell connection. >> >> Regards, >> Debbie Rea >> >> >> <image.png> >> >> On 16 February 2015 at 10:02, Mike Boyd via <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> From the above book on page 274 it lists under the Moore Family a number >>> of useful references. >>> >>> >>> >>> “A copy of the Moore Coat of Arms in on page 700 of Some Prominent >>> Families of Virginia, Vol. 2, and also in The Colonial and Revolutionary >>> Families of Pennsylvania, page 574, also in Vol. 1, Ancestrial Records and >>> Portraits, page 396, and Americana, Magazine vol. 33, page 117. and of page >>> 133 of 1939, also in Colonial Families of the U. S., vol 3, page 342. See >>> McCall, Tidwell, and Allied Families. >>> >>> >>> >>> It goes onto say:- >>> >>> >>> >>> “Governor George James Moore (1640-1706) was Colonial Governor of South >>> Carolina 1700-1702, He was born in 1640 1640, and said to be the son of Sir >>> Francis Moore of England and great grand son of Sir John whom King John >>> Knighted in 1027. “ >>> >>> >>> >>> (With a 600 year gap between Sir Francis and Sir John of 1027, could not >>> be a “great grand son”.) >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought the English spelling of the “Moore” was “Moor”, so I would >>> question if George James Moore’s father was form England and not from >>> Ireland. I do know that Irish family name was spelt as “Moore” even >>> through these Moores were part of the Muir of Rowallan, Ayrshire, Scotland >>> when they came to County Antrim in the 1600’s to the area north of >>> Ballymoney – while another brother went to another County Ireland. >>> >>> >>> >>> For non-Moore families, the above references maybe useful see if your >>> family is recorded and their migration paths to the USA. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike Boyd >>> >>> Historical Committee, HBS >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >

    02/20/2015 10:41:02
    1. Re: [AYR] Possible references for Boyd families from the book The Carmichael Clan, Westbrook, and Allied Families, Mrs Opal Carmichael Phoenix, 1984
    2. Deborah Rea via
    3. Actually, Turtle, I am wonder if you know more than us! From our Cornelius records Edward would be the 2nd great grandfather of Henry Cornelius, the father of Florence. We have no information on her at all. We have some pictures but nothing more. So, where can we get more? I love to research books so if you have any suggestions please let me know. Regards, Debbie Rea On 19 February 2015 at 21:05, Turtle Bunbury <turtlehistory@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Debbie, I think you have all my knowledge on that link … as I’m > sure you know, Florence was the youngest daughter of Henry Cornelius of > Ross-na-Clonagh, Mountrath, Queen’s County [Co. Laois]. Henry's father > Edward Cornelius lived at Dromore, Coote Hill, Co. Cavan, while his mother > was born Sophia Atkinson. The 5th Earl died on 20th February 1898 aged 71 > and was buried at Kilworth. Florence survived him nearly thirty years and > died in January 1927. All best for now, Turtle > > > On 16 Feb 2015, at 16:09, Deborah Rea <deborah.rea94@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > My grandmother's lst cousin was a Florence Cornelius. She was married to > Charles William Moore/More, 5th Earl of Mountcashell who was from Moore > Park, Kilworth, Co. Cork. Charles died without surviving male issue. > From The Peerage. Extracted from FAMILY HISTORY THE MOUNTCASHELL > CONNECTION, > http://www.turtlebunbury.com/history/history_family/hist_family_mountcashell.htm > On 19th October 1893, the 5th Earl married Florence Cornelius. > > I have copied Tuttle's email address here... hopefully he can advise as to > how to get a copy of the Family History of the Mountcashell connection. > > Regards, > Debbie Rea > > > <image.png> > > On 16 February 2015 at 10:02, Mike Boyd via <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >> >> From the above book on page 274 it lists under the Moore Family a number >> of useful references. >> >> >> >> “A copy of the Moore Coat of Arms in on page 700 of Some Prominent >> Families of Virginia, Vol. 2, and also in The Colonial and Revolutionary >> Families of Pennsylvania, page 574, also in Vol. 1, Ancestrial Records and >> Portraits, page 396, and Americana, Magazine vol. 33, page 117. and of page >> 133 of 1939, also in Colonial Families of the U. S., vol 3, page 342. See >> McCall, Tidwell, and Allied Families. >> >> >> >> It goes onto say:- >> >> >> >> “Governor George James Moore (1640-1706) was Colonial Governor of South >> Carolina 1700-1702, He was born in 1640 1640, and said to be the son of Sir >> Francis Moore of England and great grand son of Sir John whom King John >> Knighted in 1027. “ >> >> >> >> (With a 600 year gap between Sir Francis and Sir John of 1027, could not >> be a “great grand son”.) >> >> >> >> I thought the English spelling of the “Moore” was “Moor”, so I would >> question if George James Moore’s father was form England and not from >> Ireland. I do know that Irish family name was spelt as “Moore” even >> through these Moores were part of the Muir of Rowallan, Ayrshire, Scotland >> when they came to County Antrim in the 1600’s to the area north of >> Ballymoney – while another brother went to another County Ireland. >> >> >> >> For non-Moore families, the above references maybe useful see if your >> family is recorded and their migration paths to the USA. >> >> >> >> Thank you >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike Boyd >> >> Historical Committee, HBS >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Turtle Bunbury > www.turtlebunbury.com > > *‘The Glorious Madness - Tales of the Irish & the Great War’* (Gill & > Macmillan) - short-listed for the Best Irish-published Book of the Year > 2014. > *'Vanishing Ireland'* - short-listed for Best Irish Published Book of > the Year 2013. > Turtle's book are available from all good bookshops or from his aStore via > Amazon.co.uk > <http://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwturtlebunb-21/detail/0717162346> or > Amazon.com <http://astore.amazon.com/wwwturtlebunb-20/detail/0717162346> > > Oldfort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: > turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > Turtle's historical blog is at www.facebook.com/Wistorical > >

    02/19/2015 02:22:03
    1. Re: [AYR] GALLOWAY/BARR
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: helengalloway57 Surnames: Galloway Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13973.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Rhonda, I see this is an old post but I am interested in the connection with the Kilwinning Galloways you cite in the 1881 census. William, who was 16 was my great grandfather and the elder Robert Galloway my GG Grandfather. If the younger Robert, b 1875 is your ancestor I have some information. Regards Helen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/16/2015 07:28:41
    1. Re: [AYR] Possible references for Boyd families from the book The Carmichael Clan, Westbrook, and Allied Families, Mrs Opal Carmichael Phoenix, 1984
    2. John Humphrey via
    3. Hi Mike, King John reigned from 1199 to 1216, so he certainly didn't knight anyone in 1027. As regards JAMES Moore (not */_George_/* James Moore) - governor of CAROLINA (not _/*South/North*/_ Carolina at that time) Wikipedia states that "Little is known of James Moore's origins. During his life he was said to be a son of Roger Moore (Ruairí Óg Ó Mórdha <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruair%C3%AD_%C3%93g_%C3%93_M%C3%B3rdha>), leader of the Irish Rebellion of 1641 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641>" John On 2/16/2015 5:02 AM, Mike Boyd via wrote: > > From the above book on page 274 it lists under the Moore Family a number of useful references. > > > > “A copy of the Moore Coat of Arms in on page 700 of Some Prominent Families of Virginia, Vol. 2, and also in The Colonial and Revolutionary Families of Pennsylvania, page 574, also in Vol. 1, Ancestrial Records and Portraits, page 396, and Americana, Magazine vol. 33, page 117. and of page 133 of 1939, also in Colonial Families of the U. S., vol 3, page 342. See McCall, Tidwell, and Allied Families. > > > > It goes onto say:- > > > > “Governor George James Moore (1640-1706) was Colonial Governor of South Carolina 1700-1702, He was born in 1640 1640, and said to be the son of Sir Francis Moore of England and great grand son of Sir John whom King John Knighted in 1027. “ > > > > (With a 600 year gap between Sir Francis and Sir John of 1027, could not be a “great grand son”.) > > > > I thought the English spelling of the “Moore” was “Moor”, so I would question if George James Moore’s father was form England and not from Ireland. I do know that Irish family name was spelt as “Moore” even through these Moores were part of the Muir of Rowallan, Ayrshire, Scotland when they came to County Antrim in the 1600’s to the area north of Ballymoney – while another brother went to another County Ireland. > > > > For non-Moore families, the above references maybe useful see if your family is recorded and their migration paths to the USA. > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Mike Boyd > > Historical Committee, HBS > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    02/16/2015 01:20:20
    1. [AYR] Possible references for Boyd families from the book The Carmichael Clan, Westbrook, and Allied Families, Mrs Opal Carmichael Phoenix, 1984
    2. Mike Boyd via
    3. >From the above book on page 274 it lists under the Moore Family a number of useful references. “A copy of the Moore Coat of Arms in on page 700 of Some Prominent Families of Virginia, Vol. 2, and also in The Colonial and Revolutionary Families of Pennsylvania, page 574, also in Vol. 1, Ancestrial Records and Portraits, page 396, and Americana, Magazine vol. 33, page 117. and of page 133 of 1939, also in Colonial Families of the U. S., vol 3, page 342. See McCall, Tidwell, and Allied Families. It goes onto say:- “Governor George James Moore (1640-1706) was Colonial Governor of South Carolina 1700-1702, He was born in 1640 1640, and said to be the son of Sir Francis Moore of England and great grand son of Sir John whom King John Knighted in 1027. “ (With a 600 year gap between Sir Francis and Sir John of 1027, could not be a “great grand son”.) I thought the English spelling of the “Moore” was “Moor”, so I would question if George James Moore’s father was form England and not from Ireland. I do know that Irish family name was spelt as “Moore” even through these Moores were part of the Muir of Rowallan, Ayrshire, Scotland when they came to County Antrim in the 1600’s to the area north of Ballymoney – while another brother went to another County Ireland. For non-Moore families, the above references maybe useful see if your family is recorded and their migration paths to the USA. Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

    02/16/2015 01:02:06
    1. [AYR] unsubscribe
    2. fabiochris via
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    02/15/2015 01:59:35
    1. Re: [AYR] Elizabeth Thompson
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AdamsonE60 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14528.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Poor relief http://ayrshire-roots.co.uk/surnames.php http://www.museumsgalleriesscotland.org.uk/member/north-ayrshire-heritage-centre You can now get poor relief copies by email. Ellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/15/2015 08:42:37
    1. Re: [AYR] Elizabeth Thompson
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AdamsonE60 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14528.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Why have you this- Birth 24 Mar 1803 in Kilmory, Buteshire on your tree ,along with bapts in North Leith ? Ellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/15/2015 08:05:12
    1. Re: [AYR] McSkinner McKelv*
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jecroft Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14529.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you know for sure (maiden name from death registration, for example) that you have the correct marriage, then most likely one of them was born in Old Cumnock. The likelihood of both parties being born in a different parish than that of the marriage is small. How it worked was the intention to marry was proclaimed in the parish church where each person was born (which is the date most often seen in records). After that proclamation, the couple usually married in the parish of the female, at her family home or a relative's house. Not all births were recorded; not all records survived. You might never find the correct birth record. One clue might be if you know the names of all the children. It was common in Scotland to name the first two children of each sex after the grandparents, although not every family did this. Jo-Ann Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/15/2015 06:54:19
    1. Re: [AYR] McSkinner McKelv*
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DonGillies61 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14529.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you been able to find the family in the 1841 census ? If not it would appear that they emigrated sometime between 1834 (the birth of their son William) and 1841. In that case you would be very unlikely to be able to prove which John and Sarah births are 'yours'. Bear in mind that not all baptisms were recorded, and of those which were recoded not all of them have survived the passage of time. There is also the possibility that John and/or Sarah were Irish. John's surname in particular was very popular in Ireland. Hopefully they'll still have been in Scotland in 1841 or even 1851 so that you can approximately where and when they were born. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/15/2015 04:00:33
    1. Re: [AYR] Elizabeth Thompson
    2. Mike Boyd via
    3. Jo-Ann I have in my Boyd family in Sydney, NSW in the 1830's that any ancestors daughter married at the age of 14 years old. While in other Boyd families in the USA there are a number of cases where girls seem to have married at 14 years old. So it seems that "it is possible" though not common. Mike Boyd Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 6:23 AM To: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Elizabeth Thompson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jecroft Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14528.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Rule #1 in genealogy research is to NOT believe anything you see in someone else's tree that is not documented. Too many people take a likely birth and attach it to their ancestor with no proof that it belongs. If you asked the owner of the that website (or whoever supplied the info) they would most likely say that "women married young back then" which is nonsense. Although prior to 1929 the legal marriage age in Scotland followed Roman law in allowing a girl to marry at twelve years of age and a boy at fourteen, without any requirement for parental consent, in practice this never happened. The average marriage age in the 18th & 19th centuries in Scotland was early 20s for women and mid to late 20s for men. You tended to find them marrying earlier in major cities and later in the country. You might want to research that birth on your own as many more records are available to the public than in the past. Jo-Ann Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/15/2015 02:03:32
    1. [AYR] McSkinner McKelv*
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marthaswaim Surnames: McSkinner McKelveen McKelvie McKelvey Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14529/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone know anything about this family? I am looking for a John and Sarah McKelvie who migrated from Scotland to Nova Scotia to Schuylkill County, PA in the 1830-1858. ...02/03/1821 MCKELVEEN JOHN SARAH MCSKIMMING/ M OLD CUMNOCK/AYR ..... there is a birth for Sarah in the same area ..... 28/04/1792 MCSKIMING SARAH Parents: WILLIAM MCSKIMING/ SUSANNA GREIG Female Place of birth: STRAITON/ AYR .......there are 10 births against a John McKelvey (or variants) between 1790-1800 in the same area, the only one in 1798 is ... 16/06/1798 MCKELVIE JOHN Parents:JAMES MCKELVIE/JANE JACKSON M DAILLY/AYR Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/14/2015 09:00:44
    1. Re: [AYR] Elizabeth Thompson
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AdamsonE60 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14528.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I see from a tree in Ancestry that it jumped from Beith to Dirleton. Beith baps. records are very bad. They are not sure if they were lost ,never entered in the books either by the ministers or parents. There are marriage records for Thompson before John Thompson and Margaret Barr. Ellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/14/2015 03:25:06
    1. Re: [AYR] Elizabeth Thompson
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jecroft Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14528.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Rule #1 in genealogy research is to NOT believe anything you see in someone else's tree that is not documented. Too many people take a likely birth and attach it to their ancestor with no proof that it belongs. If you asked the owner of the that website (or whoever supplied the info) they would most likely say that "women married young back then" which is nonsense. Although prior to 1929 the legal marriage age in Scotland followed Roman law in allowing a girl to marry at twelve years of age and a boy at fourteen, without any requirement for parental consent, in practice this never happened. The average marriage age in the 18th & 19th centuries in Scotland was early 20s for women and mid to late 20s for men. You tended to find them marrying earlier in major cities and later in the country. You might want to research that birth on your own as many more records are available to the public than in the past. Jo-Ann Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/14/2015 01:23:50
    1. Re: [AYR] Elizabeth Thompson
    2. Jo Ann Croft via
    3. Mike, I also have instances of early marriages in my tree, but that took place in Maine, USA, with early settler families. My ancestors from 1600s Massachusetts all married about the age of 20, male & female. My husband's female ancestors from Scotland all married in their early to mid 20s. It seems that where there was no societal pressure from a strong church presence, the rules loosened. In this case, the marriage took place in Scotland and, I presume, was performed by a minister of the Church of Scotland. In most cases in my own tree, I have found that an early marriage age usually meant I had an incorrect birth record. It's very easy to grab at incorrect information because it's all that is available. No one wants to hear that the record for which they are searching does not exist. Jo-Ann On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Mike Boyd via <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Jo-Ann > I have in my Boyd family in Sydney, NSW in the 1830's that any ancestors > daughter married at the age of 14 years old. > > While in other Boyd families in the USA there are a number of cases where > girls seem to have married at 14 years old. So it seems that "it is > possible" though not common. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > >

    02/14/2015 12:00:54
    1. Re: [AYR] Elizabeth Thompson
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AdamsonE60 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14528.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have been doing this hobby for 12 years. and have never came across any under age person marrying, although it was legal at that time .Click on my name at the top left,you will see we have been in contact before. Ellie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

    02/14/2015 11:09:52
    1. [AYR] The book The Blair Family of New England Revisited, Mary J. Powers, 2008, The Blair Family of New England Revisited, Mary J. Powers, 2008,
    2. Mike Boyd via
    3. During my trip to the USA in 2013, I found the above book at the Allen County Public Library at Fort Wayne. However my main interest was looking for Boyd family connections within this book. The author thinks that these Blairs go back to those Blairs of Milgerholm, Ayrshire, who were part of the Blair of that Ilk. It starts with the “Blairs of Aghadowey, County Antrim (which is actually in County Londonderry), who appear to have been part of the 1718 Migration of Rev James Macgregor and his five ships to Boston. This book starts with Robert Blair and Isabella Rankin. Mary Powers said that she was “updating” the book “The Blair Family of New England” 1900, commissioned by William Blair of Chicago wife Sarah Maria (Seymour) Blair and their son Edward Tyler Blair (I can’t see who the author of this 1900 book). White that book got family history from living people in County Londonderry and from rare publications, but it did not cite many of its sources. So these two books – if you find them in your local Library – may be worth finding for any Blair and Rankin researchers. I also know that there is a connection between the Blairs of that Ilk with various Boyd families – so all these Blair families might be connected to Boyds in Ayrshire (Colin Brooks – has your 1718 Project got these books to add their data to your Project?) Mike Boyd

    02/14/2015 09:29:42
    1. Re: [AYR] Elizabeth Thompson
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: markallan007 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14528.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I had information from the Thompson web page linked to my family as well that Elizabeth was born in 1750 taking that date and the marriage record married in 1764 That is where I assumed Elizabeth was 14 when they were both married? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

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