Hi There's a marriage for an Alexander Goldie to a Sarah Marr in Kilmarnock in 1869Sarah Marr marriage:26 November 1869Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotlandspouse: Alexr. Goldie plus in 1871 census in Milton Row Kilmarnock Alexander Goldie  53 a coal miner born Kilmarnock Sarah Goldie  50 born 'Colton' Alexander Goldie  10 son Thomas Wilson  8 stepson John Wilson  4 stepson which makes it look like a second marriage for both. is this Sarah's first marriage? Name  Sarah MarrGender FemaleHusband  ThomasWilsonSon  John Wilson Gender  Male Birth Date  24 Apr1866Birthplace  KILMARNOCK,AYR,SCOTLANDFather's Name  ThomasWilsonMother's Name  SarahMarr Since Sarah was born in ?Coylton could she be Margaret's daughter? Sarah Marr birth: 20 May 1822  Machoulston, Coylton, Ayr, Scotlandfather:  Dennis Marr mother: Margaret Ritchie Was Margaret Ritchie's husband called Dennis Marr? To find more about Alexander Goldie will require getting the 1869 marriage details ...it's not possible to pick his birth out of the IGI Irene From: Alan Ritchie via <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 23 November 2015, 6:31 Subject: [AYR] Goldie/Goudie I have just found a death cert for Margaret Marr( ms Ritchie) who died at Cairn Cottage Coylton. The Informant on the certificate is named Alex or Alan  Goldie,  Son in Law . I would like to find any information on this man . Is there any kind researcher that could  find him in the 1851 ,61 or 71  census for me .  Margaret died on 17th feb 1877  Any information would be appreciated Regards  Alan Ritchie      Gore  NEW ZEALAND ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan, Jenny and Irene, I can't see any connection to my Goldies - yet. I have a Hugh Goldie back in the 1780s married to Elizabeth Kay. As far as I know they only had daughters (Douglas - a girl born 1789, Jean 1788, Margaret 1804 and Elizabeth 1809) BUT I keep hoping that a Hugh Goldie born in the 1700s might turn up. How old was the Hugh Goldie in Sussex, Jenny? Cheers, Mary Bigger. Stronger. Faster. Sign up for a New Free Email Account at http://MyEmail.com

Hi Alan, On the 1851 for Sorn there's an Alexander Goldie, aged 53, hand loom weaver born New Milns, Ayrshire. he has a wife Marget and children Andrew, Mary Janet Jean Elizabeth Agnes and granddaughter Marget Morrison. All except the last two born New Milns and they were born Catrine. There's a gap between Andrew 34 and Mary 23 so I would guess there were other sons and daughters - possibly another Alexander or Alan. I'd be very interested in any replies you get for this question as I have rather elusive Goldies in Ayrshire. Cheers, Mary Bigger. Stronger. Faster. Sign up for a New Free Email Account at http://MyEmail.com

In a document of the 1600’s I saw the term “Wadset” What does it mean? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

The conveyance of land in pledge for a debt; a mortgage ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd via" <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:14 PM Subject: [AYR] What does the term "Wadset" mean > In a document of the 1600’s I saw the term “Wadset” What does it mean? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane, Aust. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The answers already given are correct as far as they go, but a wadset can also be defined as "a deed from a debtor to a creditor assigning the rents of land until the debt is paid". Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd via Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 6:15 PM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] What does the term "Wadset" mean In a document of the 1600�s I saw the term �Wadset� What does it mean? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The answers already given are correct as far as they go, but a wadset can also be defined as "a deed from a debtor to a creditor assigning the rents of land until the debt is paid". Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd via Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 6:15 PM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] What does the term "Wadset" mean In a document of the 1600�s I saw the term �Wadset� What does it mean? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to Merriam-Webster, a Scots legal term for a pledge or mortgage. On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Mike Boyd via <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> wrote: > In a document of the 1600’s I saw the term “Wadset” What does it mean? > >

Hello list I have just join this list, I am seeking a person who claims to have been born in 1959 in Lennoxtown in Ayrshire. My question is , is there also a Lennoxtown in Ayr. Bob Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Carol For this area you will need to contact the Burns Centre at Kilmarnock in the East Ayrshire Council area. About 30 years that had a work program that recorded the inscriptions in all their Cemeteries. They may have to work out which Churchyard is closet to to Orchard. If you know what religion they were that might help them to find it as well. Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Carol via Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 11:03 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Robert Wallace I am continuing I found this inscription somewhere in surfing the Internet. Can anyone tell me how I could actually find out if there is a monument with this inscription. "This stone was erected by Robert Wallace a Farmer in Orchard for his spouse Mary 1797" I believe this is my Robert. I have found 3 marraiges in Ayrshire 1. In Dunlop 1761 2. In Sorn in 1766 3. In Ardrossan 1769 There was an earlier one in 1706 in Dundonald but I think seeing his illegitimate daughter was born in 1793 that counts him out. So now I would like to know where I can find out about this stone, Where would it have been erected? I have checked the deaths but cant find a death of a Mary Wallace Many thanks again >From Downunder Carol ) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am continuing I found this inscription somewhere in surfing the Internet. Can anyone tell me how I could actually find out if there is a monument with this inscription. "This stone was erected by Robert Wallace a Farmer in Orchard for his spouse Mary 1797" I believe this is my Robert. I have found 3 marraiges in Ayrshire 1. In Dunlop 1761 2. In Sorn in 1766 3. In Ardrossan 1769 There was an earlier one in 1706 in Dundonald but I think seeing his illegitimate daughter was born in 1793 that counts him out. So now I would like to know where I can find out about this stone, Where would it have been erected? I have checked the deaths but cant find a death of a Mary Wallace Many thanks again >From Downunder Carol ) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I would like to thank, Loretta, Kay, Heather, Mike and Derek, for your help on my long lost Ancestor, I am quite convinced that Robert came from Wynds moved to Orchard and Agnes from Galston. I have been searching for this man for years and thank you all this is the closest I have come to finding where they cam from. So many many thanks from Carol Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Carol, for maps of the time go to the National Library of Scotland website and search for maps and also Wynd Farm Galston. In present times these old farms have be subdivided a number of times to create housing estates. Back in the 1700-1800s they were often owned by Dukes and Lords etc many small cottages were built for the workers to live in if they worked the estate, not so many of them remain today. Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Carol via Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 12:05 PM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Robert Wallace Hi All, I have just done some Internet search for Wynd Farm near Galston andfound this "Public info This property is located at Wynd Farm, Galston KA4 8NN. Unnamed road, KA4 has 183 houses and flats on it with a current average value of £279,277, compared to an an average property value of £123,012 for KA4. There have been 13 property sales on Unnamed road over the last 5 years with an average sold house price of £241,226. There are currently 49 homes for sale in KA4 with an average asking price of £115,579 and 2 houses and flats to rent in KA4 with an average asking rent of £114 pw. " So my next question to the list is could this be a small village rather than an actual farm? Regards Carol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi All, I have just done some Internet search for Wynd Farm near Galston andfound this "Public info This property is located at Wynd Farm, Galston KA4 8NN. Unnamed road, KA4 has 183 houses and flats on it with a current average value of £279,277, compared to an an average property value of £123,012 for KA4. There have been 13 property sales on Unnamed road over the last 5 years with an average sold house price of £241,226. There are currently 49 homes for sale in KA4 with an average asking price of £115,579 and 2 houses and flats to rent in KA4 with an average asking rent of £114 pw. " So my next question to the list is could this be a small village rather than an actual farm? Regards Carol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Carol, to most probably answer some of you questions, search the familysearch.org catalogue online to see if the Kirk Sessions for Mauchline and Galston have been filmed, if so order the films to come in to your closest LDS centre. Usually fines to the Parochial board and persons coming before the Congregation for illegitimacy and fornication between parties is in these Minutes. As for baptisms even if the two parties are married mostly you will find he woman recorded with her maiden surname. Regards, Jenny who also has a Jean WALLACE b c1765 Galston d 11 Jan 1850 Ochiltree, who mar 2 Jun 1787 (proclamation in Par. Ochiltree) to James HILLHOUSE b c1755 Tarbolton. -----Original Message----- From: Carol via Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 10:55 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Robert Wallace Hi All, To answer some questions I thought I might write what is on the Birth Record "Wallace (is in the surname Column) Robert late in Wynd now in Orchard a married man & Agnes Adamson in Galston their adulterous child Born 10th April and Baptised 13th October named Sara the father sponsor" The baptism was in the County of Mauchline. I have been told that the Father sponsor meant that Robert Wallace recognized and accepted that it was his child. I have also been told years ago that their was another child and that later Agnes and Robert married so am trying to sort all this information out. As well as find out where these two places are. Regards Carol Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi All, To answer some questions I thought I might write what is on the Birth Record "Wallace (is in the surname Column) Robert late in Wynd now in Orchard a married man & Agnes Adamson in Galston their adulterous child Born 10th April and Baptised 13th October named Sara the father sponsor" The baptism was in the County of Mauchline. I have been told that the Father sponsor meant that Robert Wallace recognized and accepted that it was his child. I have also been told years ago that their was another child and that later Agnes and Robert married so am trying to sort all this information out. As well as find out where these two places are. Regards Carol Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi All, I am back after a long time to begin again my research on this Ancestor. On his Daughter Sara Wallace Birth Record of 1793 it states that Robert late of Wynd now of Orchard" he was married but not to Sara mother Agnes Adamson. I would like to know are Wind and Orchard streets, or towns. In Ayrshire It also states he is a married man can anyone shed some light on this man for me please. Who was he married to and did he ever marry my Agnes Adamson who was in Galston at the time of Sara birth, the record does state "The Father Sponsor would this indicate that Agnes and Robert were living together. Thanking You All Regards Carol Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

In the book A Genealogical Account of the Principal Families in Ayrshire, more particulary in Cunninghame, Vol. I, George Robertson, 1823, page 131, it said: “XI. Grizel Boyle, who succeeded her father in Kelburn. She marired a near relative David Boyle of Hawkhill, descended from the family thus:- 1. John, second son of No IV. was designed “of Ballahewin” in 1536, married Christian, daughter of Wallace of Cairnhill, by whom he had a son, 2. David of Segdeth in 1578, who married Christian, neice of Lord Boyd, by whom he had, 3. James of Hawkhill, in 1617, who married Margaret, daughter of David Crawfurd of Bedland, by whom he had the above David Boyle of Hawkhill, three sons, and one daughter: 1. John; 2. James of Montgomerieston; 3. Patrick. The daughter was Grizel, and she was married to William Wallace of Shewlton. He died in 1672, and was succeeded by his eldest son, “ Mike Boyd’s notes:- (1) The date 1578. Is this the date that David of Segdeth was born or his marriage date? MY GUESS, from the way this is written, it is David’s date of birth. So do others agree or disagree! (2) “neice of Lord Boyd”. Is this term, as we understand it today, that she would be the daughter of this Lord Boyd’s brother or sister? Or could it mean that she was a more distant relative? This will need to be worked out to determine which Boyd Cadet Branch this Christian belonged to. (3) “David of Segdeth in 1578, who married Christian, neice of Lord Boyd”. The second problem is to determine WHAT TIME PERIOD we might be talking about. Is it 1578 – when it is assumed that David was born - or some later period when she was married in about 1615? (4) If the time period is 1578, this would mean that “Lord Boyd” was “Robert Boyd, fifth Lord Boyd, bc 1517, d 1589”. This Lord Boyd only had a sister, Margaret Boyd, whom Burke’s said married John Montgomerie of Lainshaw, the third son of the first Earl of Earl of Eglinton, eldest son John Montgomery. However, they did not have any children, so the “neice Christian” could not come from this Margaret Boyd. Or does it mean that this Lord Robert Boyd had more than one sibling? (5) However, if we are talking about 1615. This would put it in the period of the Robert Boyd, seventh Lord Boyd, (1595 – 1628), who succeed his grandfather. This Lord Boyd, is listed as only having a brother James Boyd who became the 9th Lord Boyd and he had no daughters that married a Boyle. So I can only conclude that this “neice Christian” was more distant than a single generation from which ever Lord Boyd was being referred to. (6) The next problem is Christian’s surname, Boyd or some other name? So are there any David Boyle of Segdeth (in 1578) researchers out there. (7) When I looked at the International Genealogical Index for the UK (1994 edition), I could not find any entry for a “Christian Boyd” even though there were entries for Christian Boyd prior to 1600 A. D. However, I did find few entries with Boyle. Katherine BOYD (F)......... B: Abt 1545 B: 24 May 1932 SLAKE F#: 183542 @ Rel: George BOYLE of Kelburne, Ayr, Scotland E: Pre-1970 P#: 169 (no parents listed) SP: Pre-1970 O#: 5559 Agnes BOYD (F)............. B: Abt 1600 B: 24 May 1932 SLAKE F#: 183542 @ Rel: George BOYLE of Portincross, Ayr, Scotland E: Pre-1970 P#: 168 (no parents listed) SP: Pre-1970 O#: 5535 James BOYDE (M).............. C: 28 Aug 1608 B: 26 Jul 1983 PROVO Ba: 8304531 86 Father: Robert BOYDE OR BOYLE Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland E: 13 Sep 1983 PROVO So: 0884973 Mother: Geillis BOGE SP: 29 Sep 1983 PROVO I would like to know if this Christian is a BOYD, so that I can turn this family into a Family Chapter in the Clan Boyd Pyramid. (It will also mean that on my next trip to Ayrshire I will have to try to research this family.) Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

Carol "Usually" in Scotland when a location is give - such as "Wynd" or "Orchard" - would be an Estate or farm. I know of an Orchard Estate at West Kilbride, but I suspect that is not your area. You may need to look at some of the map sites for the Galston area in East Ayrshire or the area further south towards Ayr town. If I recall, Adamson Family had an estate in the Monkton area where Prestwick Airport is now. So what do you know about Agnes Adamson and her parents - especially social status, occupation, etc Do you know why she was called Sara Wallace, when he mother Agnes Adamson was not married to Robert Wallace? Oh, what do you know about this Robert Wallace; his parents and his own family and other children? Have you tried the Clan Wallace people? Mike Boyd Brisbane -----Original Message----- From: Carol via Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 8:16 AM To: AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] Robert Wallace Hi All, I am back after a long time to begin again my research on this Ancestor. On his Daughter Sara Wallace Birth Record of 1793 it states that Robert late of Wynd now of Orchard" he was married but not to Sara mother Agnes Adamson. I would like to know are Wind and Orchard streets, or towns. In Ayrshire It also states he is a married man can anyone shed some light on this man for me please. Who was he married to and did he ever marry my Agnes Adamson who was in Galston at the time of Sara birth, the record does state "The Father Sponsor would this indicate that Agnes and Robert were living together. Thanking You All Regards Carol Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Recently when I was at the Burns Centre at Kilmarnock, I found a reference that said “Robert Boyd, Archbishop of Glasgow buried in the choir of the Cathedral and in the same sepulchre as Bishop Gavin Dunbar.” A few days later when I was in Glasgow, I went to the Cathedral and walked around the “PRESENT” choir area, but I could not see any Sepulchres, let alone one with his name on it. This burial took place in the early 1600’s, so when this reference was written was the Choir in a different place in the Cathedral? Or is this reference wrong an Archbishop Boyd was not buried in the Choir area of the Cathedral? As anyone got any information where he might be buried in Glasgow Cathedral? By the way, I think that Bishop Gavin Dunbar was a distant cousin. Thank you Mike boyd