This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jaxx10002004 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13887.1.2.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oops! sorry i wrote to you in the wrong thread! I also have Anabella marrying William Livingstone. But unfortunately, so far i haven't done any research on him and his family. if i do find anything then by all means i'll post it for you. Jackie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ram88doc Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13887.1.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your information. I am researching the Livingstone family tree. According to my information, Anabella Craig actually married William Livingstone on 30 Dec 1853 In Riccarton, Ayrshire. Anabella and William are my GGG grandparents. I have run into a dead end with the Livingstone family with the father of William who was James Livingstone, born about 1800. I would appreciate any information you might discover about the Livingstone family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I am reposting the details of my Ritchie family in the hope that some readers are reseaching the same family. James Ritchie married Margaret Highet at Kilmarnock 18th june 1827. They had the following family Janet married Andrew Taylor Shawwood Catrine, farmer Marion married Alexander Ferguson Auchentiber ,farmer Helen married 1st William Burnie from Crosshill 2nd Adam McGregor Photographer Kilmarnock Margaret Only information I have is that she had a son called John who married 1st Mary Paterson , 2nd Agnes Shankland. John married Agnes Muir Kilmarnock William married Agnes Dunlop of Kilmarnock. William was one of the owners of Grant Ritchie Engineers Kilmarnock . Jean/Jane married James Kenyon . Travelled to New Zealand James married Elizabeth Pryde Mary married Thomas Emmerson Leeds Elizabeth married William McCaa smithy at Garrallan House If the above names ring a bell or you have any information on Grant Ritchie Engineers please contact me . Regards Alan Ritchie Gore New Zealand

I am looking for any informion on the above families. Samuel Spence was born abt 1795 at Newmilns Aryshire (parents unknown). He married Mary Osburn born abt 1769 in Newmilns (parents unknown) on the 10 Dec 1784 at Symington, Ayr. I belive their children may have been Janate b 1788 Symington Samuel b 1789 Symington may have married Marion Jury Mary b 1791 Newmilns Mary b 1792 Newmilns James b 1794 Newmilns Margaret b 1796 Newmilns married David Beattie Helen b 1798 Alton Janet b 1801 Alton may have married James Howat Elizabeth b 1805 Oldtown Jean b 1807 Loudoun Samuel occupation stated as Collier, Coal Miner, Coal hirer on his daughter Margaret's death cert his occupation stated as engineer. Any assistance on this family would be appreciated. Regards Joy Conroy

I am researching the above family which migrated to NSW in 1854 . David Wilson Beatie was born between 1792-95 I think at Aystown, Ayrshire, the child of James Miller Beattie and Ellen Lenrick/Leurich. He married Margaret Spencer at Dreghorn,Warickdale, Ayr on the 7/3/1918, she was the daughter of Samuel Spence and Mary Osburn. They had 8 children all born in Kilmarnock Mary Osborne b 1818 James Miller b 1821 David b 1823 Jean/Jane b 1825 Annie Johnston b 1828 William Wilson b 1830 Unknown b abt 1832 Margaret Osboun b 1838 David aged 59 yrs & Margaret 57 and some of their children arrived in the colony in October 1854 per the ship Columbia along with their daughter Margaret Osburn than aged 16yrs, as was their sons David 31yrs his wife Jane/Jean nee Brown aged 30yrs and children David 10yrs & Jeanette 8yrs and William Wilson 24yrs his wife Mary Ann nee Gibb 27yrs and their daughter Margaret 7yrs Their older daughter Mary was already in the colony from about 1840, their eldest son James arrived in 1841 Jean married a Daniel Neill at Kilmarnock in 1847 and arrived in the colony in 1858. Annie Johnston married a Robert Stirling in Kilmarnock in 1850 and not sure of the year of her arrival. Any information on the above family and associated names would be appreciated Regards Joy Conroy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marden08 Surnames: McCracken/Logan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6131.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Jonn. Sorry I did not indicate I knew who Mary McCracken married - Francis Logan in 1825 - and I know the names of their children except some of the dates do not gel from census records so i am not sure if we are dealing with two couples with the same names? i can't find any (apart from Andrew born 1836) of their births on Scotland's people although they are almost all listed as born in Ayrshire. They moved to Northumberland and had two children born there -Richard Wilson Loagan and Mary Ann Logan. Thanks for the info about Roberth and Isabella - I will follow that up. Regards Mary-Anne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi I think you will find that being married by declaration is what is termed in Scotland as a 'irregular marriage' these are quite common and legal, there are no banns called with an iregular marrige. Where did you get this information from ? If you look on the Scotlands People website you should beable to find more information there, not sure exactly which section but you wont need to register to access the information. Hope this helps Margaret NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catt" <gullake@primus.ca> To: <AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Cc: <Ontario-Digest@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: [AYR] Jean Baty, Battie, Beattie married Henry Cowan about 1841-2,Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland >I am researching my ggg Grandparents, Jean Baty, Battie, Beattie was >married by Declaration to Henry Cowan about > 1841-2, Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland. What does Declaration mean in this > case? Does Declaration mean via Banns? > > They emigrated to North America and ended up in Ontario, Canada. > > Does anyone know who were Jean Baty and Henry Cowan's ancestors? > Marriages from 1553 to 1854 included these: > > A Mary Ann Hainnan, married Eldrage Beatie in Maybole Parish, on Dec. 16, > 1821, (a possible parantage) > > another ancestor might be A William Beattie married Sarah McClelland, > Maybole Parish, Jan. 3, 1819. > > A brother to Jean Baty might have been William Beattie married to Jane > Johnstone, Maybole Parish, April 25, 1842. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

findmypast.co.uk , the site for records in England will be putting the Chelsea Pensioner records online in 2010. "In store for 2010... We will be significantly expanding our military records, including launching online for the first time anywhere Chelsea Pensioner service records and militia attestation papers (detailed military registration service records, containing personal details and physical descriptions). These are being provided in association with The National Archives." They will also be adding maritime BMDs and Irish records. -- Jo-Ann Croft

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jonndean Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6131.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Mary-Anne, It looks like Robert McCracken, died 1871. age 85 years, Kilmarnock, Ayr. and his wife Isabella Logan, died 1870. again Kilmarnock, Ayr. aged 85 years. You would need to purchase both death certificates from Scotlandspeople, on line, these certificates should provide the parents names fo Robert, and Isabella, provided whoever registered the deaths had that information. The Mary McCraken, their daughter born 11/June/1811. Barr, Ayr. she seems to have married a James Boyle, 1830. Barr, Ayr. By 1851. Mary, is a widow,and her son William Boyle, is living with granparents Robert McCracken, and Isabella Logan. Mary McCraken, Boyle, died 1900, aged 88 years, in Barr, Ayr. Regards, Jonn. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi again Maria, I've looked on the 1881 and (as is probably already obvious) John and Margaret Harvey are living only 6 doors away from Charles Goldie and family. Julia may have been nearby but I couldn't tell how near. It would be really interesting to get a breakthrough on these Goldies - I wonder where the name originated. One of these days I'll splash out and either get an ancestry or find my past subscription for a while - but not yet. If Margaret was really very young when she had her two children, which sounds to be the case, she was probably very vulnerable from the start. It would be good to find the birth records. Best wishes, Mary

Hi Jenny, I have a certificate of Jane (nee Templeton) Goldie died aged 80 in Cumnock. She was wife of a William Goldie and daughter of James T a shepherd and his wife Agnes Murdoch. This is no help at all is it? Except she is a Templeton and he a Goldie. It hasn't taken long for this new foray into Goldie reasearch to set my head spinning! I'm tempted to push them all back into the cupboard - not sure why they are so difficult! Cheers, Mary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marden08 Surnames: McCracken/Logan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6131.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello I am interested in Robert's and Isabella's daughter Mary McCracken and her children - along with details of Robert and Isabella's parents Thanks Mary-Anne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi all, I was in Black's Surnames for surname 'Edgar' and so I looked up surname GOLDIE and on p. 316 found the following entry: "A diminutive of GOLD. q.v. This surname appears now to have its home in the shires of Ayr and Lanark. William Goldy, servitor to the bishop of Moray, 1567 (REM., p. 400). Edward Goldie of Craigmuie 1718 (Kirkcudbright). Rev. John Goldie (1763-1847) was minister of the parish of Temple, Midlothian, for fifty years. GOUDIE is a variant." I q-v'd to GOLD also on p. 316. That entry says "A OE. personal name, Gold(a, from gold, the metal (Redin). Adam Gold, bailiff of Montrose, rendered homage, 1296 (Bain, II, p. 198). The surname is not uncommon in Angus and GOULD may be a variant of it. Angus Gold in Over Kinmonth, 1582, and eight more of the name around Brechin are in record (Brechin). Regards, Judy in BC Can -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Paton Sent: January-12-10 11:25 PM To: Maria Peck Cc: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Julia (Goldie) McPhee MI +Success Story Hi again Maria, I've looked on the 1881 and (as is probably already obvious) John and Margaret Harvey are living only 6 doors away from Charles Goldie and family. Julia may have been nearby but I couldn't tell how near. It would be really interesting to get a breakthrough on these Goldies - I wonder where the name originated. One of these days I'll splash out and either get an ancestry or find my past subscription for a while - but not yet. If Margaret was really very young when she had her two children, which sounds to be the case, she was probably very vulnerable from the start. It would be good to find the birth records. Best wishes, Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

*/Sharon Cunningham wrote:/* I have just found a copy of A document that was signed back in 25 Sept.1819 from Newmills by a lot of men from that area pledging to be special Constables to protect the parish and neighbourhood. Not sure what its all about. ------------------------------------------------------ Hi Sharon, 1819, shortly after the Napoleonic Wars was a time of social discontent and radical organization. The Irvine Valley, with its string of weaving towns like Newmilns stretching from Kilmarnock towards Glasgow, was a hotbed of this unrest. Radicals like James 'Pearly' Wilson of Strathaven were products of this area and era. Colonel Alexander Boswell, son of diarist James Boswell, was a cavalry officer in the region. He called Galston and nearby Newmiln the most contaminated villages in Ayrshire - contaminated by the 'Irish disease' of rebellion, which he considered 'poison' and 'evil'. For sure those special Constables in Newmilns were recruited by the local powers-that-be to help suppress or at least keep an eye on the radical movement. I have a couple of quotes to illustrate what was going on: As Irene has pointed out, on 16th August, the St. Peter’s Fields Massacre, ‘Peterloo’, occurred in Manchester, England. There, the local yeomanry - sorta like special constables on horses -attacked a huge but peaceful rally of weavers and their families, killing eleven. Solidarity protests broke out immediately in Ayrshire, Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire, notably in Paisley in mid-September 1819(18,000). On 18^th September 1819, near Morton Place, Kilmarnock, 7,000 demonstrators gathered carrying large Scottish thistles, demanding universal suffrage. Here's an eyewitness account of the preparations the authorities made. It's dated Kilmarnock 18th September 1819, from the Caledonian Mercury : "Every man was in readiness to suppress rioting. A troop of hussars arrived this morning from Ayr and stationed here having been called to Paisley at the beginning of the week. The constables convened at the Town Hall, where the Magistrates and Justices of the Peace were [gathered]. After deliberating, they came to the determination that, if no violence was offered, or if law and order was not violated, that they should allow people to meet and say what they chose. But that if flags with seditious inscriptions should be displayed, they had persons to note their designs, and if reprehensible to bring the bearers afterwards to account for so doing. It is well that there was no occasion for the intercession of the public authorities, for the much-feared Kilmarnock Meeting of Radicals has just turned out what I suspected - a quiet, peaceable assembly. .." An even bigger demonstration was organized in Kilmarnock again on 20^th November, as “vast crowds” from nearby Ayrshire towns marched through the streets to a rally. According to James Paterson in his 1871 'Autobiographical Reminiscences' p63-72: "It was soon arranged that a series of out-door meetings should be held near Kilmarnock, at which the lovers of freedom all round should be invited to attend. The first of these was truly a ‘monster meeting’. Bands of men, and women, too, might be seen approaching in all directions, marshaled in long lines of procession, with banners flying, bagpipes playing, and drums beating, with a vigour and clamour that well might have struck dismay into less hardened hearts than that of Lord Castlereagh, the chief helmsman of the Government at the time. Almost all business was suspended on the occasion. The first movement, of course, began with the Kilmarnock Reformers themselves. But it far exceeds my* *power to portray either the scene or the effect produced. “Colonel Osborne,” who had once been a drum-major in the militia, led the van as marshal. Then came the music, piper, drummers, fifers, clarioneters, and the bass-drum, beat with Herculean power, by a brawny carpet weaver, who h! ad once done the same duty in defiance of the French; then the members of the various committees and clubs, and the principal promoters of the movement. The banners and inscriptions were innumerable – comprising the most gaudy, flaunting colours, and expressed in the pithiest sentiments of pure and unadulterated patriotism: “Radical Reform in Kilmarnock,” “Lay the axe to the tree of corruption,” “No Lords, no Bishops,” “The big loaf” carried upon a pole by a baker, “Down with Places and Pensions,” etc.; but the greatest novelty, perhaps, was “the cap of liberty,” carried on a pole by a masculine, good-looking amazon, whose husband [Archibald Craig] took an active part in the proceedings of the day, and afterwards became a bailie of the burgh. In later years, she would have given the world that the “cap of liberty” had remained in France. ..... When fully assembled round the platform, the immense multitude, with so many banners and devices displayed, had an imposing appe! arance. The harangues delivered were of an earnest and impassi! oned nat ure – urging the people never to rest until the Augean stable had been thoroughly cleaned out, and the working men represented in Parliament. There was, however, a careful abstaining from all appeal to physical force, which no doubt was implied. Some foolish persons raised the cry of “the soldiers are coming!” which created an uneasy sensation for a few moments, but all kept their ground; and ultimately the crowd dispersed, marching back, under their respective banners, in the same order as they had arrived.” Finally, this is some of what Mairtin O'Cathain says of this area in a 1997 article entitled 'The Irvine Valley, a Scottish Republic Heartland": * “*In the small village of Newmilns, about six miles east of Kilmarnock on the road to Strathaven in the Autumn of 1819, a local weaver named Cuthill at a large meeting on the Green drew a line with his stick on the ground with the challenge that "all who will march in the cause of liberty had to cross". The message was clear and the crowd proceeded to Pate's Mill just outside the village in order to sharpen their pikes. Revolution was in the air and the Scottish republicans of this tiny, remote weaving settlement on the River Irvine were readying themselves for it with relish...." "The villages of the Irvine Valley followed with many meetings hard on the heels of Kilmarnock , and in 1819 particularly saw a plethora of mass demonstrations in Galston, Newmilns and Darvel. One in Galston on October 23rd seems typical. Held at the "Baur Ailley", .. crowds assembled from various places. 100 came from Mauchline at the head of a red flag; something over 1500 from Kilmarnock carrying four flags and a cap of liberty; 1200 from Newmilns and Darvel with two flags and a cap of liberty, and about 500 people from outlying rural areas. It was further estimated that 1500 men, women and children from Galston itself were present and it was noted that the females of Galston itself presented a red cap of liberty and flag to the committee on behalf of 270 reformers, and delivered a paper to the chairman expressing their radical sentiments. Proudly republican speeches were made, preparation for the coming struggle was declared paramount and "Scots Wha Hae" was adopte! d and sung as the nationalist battle anthem. Later, when flags and banners were banned by the hysterical authorities, large Scottish thistles were waved instead by the people of the Irvine Valley. It was even discovered that an old Covenanting standard flown at the battle of Drumclog was waved at a radical meeting in Kilmarnock.” All this radical ferment fizzled out with the abortive West-of-Scotland Uprising of April 1820, Bonnymuir etc, but it did recover steam again somewhat in the push to pass the 1832 Reform Bill. But obviously, there were big social divisions within communities like Newmilns, with radicals opposed by staunch defenders of the status quo. Which is where the volunteer constables would come in. John */ /*“I// 6^th

I am researching my ggg Grandparents, Jean Baty, Battie, Beattie was married by Declaration to Henry Cowan about 1841-2, Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland. What does Declaration mean in this case? Does Declaration mean via Banns? They emigrated to North America and ended up in Ontario, Canada. Does anyone know who were Jean Baty and Henry Cowan's ancestors? Marriages from 1553 to 1854 included these: A Mary Ann Hainnan, married Eldrage Beatie in Maybole Parish, on Dec. 16, 1821, (a possible parantage) another ancestor might be A William Beattie married Sarah McClelland, Maybole Parish, Jan. 3, 1819. A brother to Jean Baty might have been William Beattie married to Jane Johnstone, Maybole Parish, April 25, 1842.

Hi 1819 ...this was the year of the Peterloo riot in Manchester. A large crowd had gathered to demand better parliamentary representation for the working classes and the authorities came down on them like a ton of bricks ... several folk were killed. I'm sure you'll get the details if you put it into google. This was the beginning of the movement for Reform of the Voting system ...not that they got anything very fast. First Reform act wasn't passed until 1832...but eventually we got universal suffrage. So perhaps there was unrest in Newmills too....lacemakers getting teed off??? Irene > > > Don't know why they were recruiting special constables at that time. > Let me know if you want any photos taken! > > Going out for the evening but happy to pore over a map tomorrow! > > > Kay McMeekin > Darvel > Ayrshire > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Sharon, Mike and listers I live locally and recognise some of the place names Howlett Burn is a hamlet just north of Galston Claremount is a hill in Newmilns (now spelt Clearmount Thomas Morton of Gowanbank. It's a mansion on A71 between Newmilns and Darvel. It currently operates as a bed and breakfast. The Mortons were mill owners and a monument to Alexander Morton is outside it on the main road. It will be Laigh Newton (low Newton) Priestland is a hamlet on A71 just east of Darvel Knoehead exists but can't remember where Woodhead is between Galston & Newmilns, to the north Richardtoun is near Darvel Wellhouse sounds reasonable but don't recognise. Darvel Mill is at the east end of the main street A71 "Auduriburn" beats me as does "Carstice" and the unlikely sounding "Nellivido" If you can email the original I'll try and work them out Don't know why they were recruiting special constables at that time. Let me know if you want any photos taken! Going out for the evening but happy to pore over a map tomorrow! Kay McMeekin Darvel Ayrshire

Sharon, I think I have seen you on the Ayrshire list, as other people need to be aware of your find. Yes I remember you. And no this is not what I need for Boyd family trees. It is more for your own individual family tree. Or what ever you are doing to write up your own family history. Perhaps other members of this list may know why on 25 Sept 1819, it was necessary for people to be signed up to be Special constables. While others may be able to help with some of the "farm" names of that time. I assume that most of those listed MIGHT HAVE BEEN FARMERS, so this may help others to identify their relatives in this period. Questions for others, was this the only town who appointed Special Constables? So any other lists for other near by towns may help to locate your family. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: sharon cunningham Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:05 AM Subject: Hello from Guelph Ont.CDA Hi Mike, not sure if you remember me but I have Boyd family from Galston Ayr, gggr.grandfather was Andrew Boyd1819 son of James & Margaret (Gilchrist)Boyd. I have just found a copy of A document that was signed back in 25 Sept.1819 from Newmills by a lot of men from that area pledging to be special Constables to protect the parish and neighbourhood. Not sure what its all about. Can't remember if I sent this to you or not or if your interested in having a copy of the document. Signatures on it are as follows;wondered what this was for & would you like a copy. anything with ??? I can't read the name or the town. Regards Sharon Cunningham MERRY CHRISTMAS James Crawford, Howlett Burn Johan Cameron, Loudoun Hill William Lindsay, Claremount Thomas Morton, Gowin????? James Boyd, Priestland (my GGGGr.Grandfather) George ???? , Auduriburn William Gilmore, Lerigh Newton???? William Donald Carstice???? George Paterson Priestland John Jamieson ??? John Speen Knouhead???? Gavin Findlay Woodhead Alex Sloan Wellhouse???? James Mitchell, Darvelmills ?? Andos Mair??? Richardtown Rob Wilson ??can't read town Andrew? Young Nellivido???? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a great deal on Windows 7 and see how it works the way you want. Check out the offers on Windows 7now.

Does anyone have Robert DONALD 1780 Ardrossan, married Ann Wyllie, possibly from Dalry, Ayrshire, in their tree. His parents were William DONALD and Mary Spiers, Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire... and the family appeared to dodge between Ayrshire and Renfrewshire from generation to generation. I believe the early Donalds farmed at Girthill. Robert Donald 1780, had a son Robert c1820 who came to NZ. I have ordered death/burial/MI's records from Scotsgenealogy which should help eventually, meanwhile would like to connect with descendants. Nyle James - (nee Forrest) Blenheim NZ

Information available for........ Margaret McKAIL Father John RICHMOND Mother Jane McKinna Margaret CONNELL Father Robert Robb Mother Jane Smellie Regards Jenny