This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: luhickey191 Surnames: Ochiltree Ocheltree Uchiltre Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13930.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Matthew born in 1738 married Mary Maxwell, secondly, Catherine unknown...died 1798. Alexander married Elizabeth McCoy and had Isaac in 1783, Isaac married Hannah Blake in 1812. Elizabeth passed and Alexdander married Mary Loughlin. The family that is from Ireland is not this family. The only time these Ochiltrees were in Ireland was to settle the Ulster Plantation with the Good Lord of Ochiltree if even then..This line has always lived in Scotland until coming to America after the rebellion. I think they must have came as indentured servants since there is no record of passage. Alexander was a servant to Capt. MacClanachan in VA..for years and years...as it states in MacClanachan will... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: luhickey191 Surnames: williams MacNeill Ochiltree Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13930/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am searching for John Ochiltree and Margaret McGlashan who were married in 1665 and lived in Midlothian... John's parents were James Ochiltree and Alison Haistie. Also, I have had a DNA test done and am looking for Ochiltrees that may have also...My line is : Alan Alexander Ochiltree marries Marion Euing in 1725 in Renfrew Scotland...their family line:: Alexander born 1733 in Renfrew and died in 1778 in Greenbrier VA Michael born 1736 in Renfrew and died 1799 in Botetourt VA Matthew and John. I will have to resarch the last two..We have never proven the Atlantic Crossing for these brothers. Thanks. Happy hunting.... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Many thanks to Louise and Kay for answering my spelling query. I have another query re the mailing list. I see that the email address below is AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com . Yet when I had my membership confirmed the message gave the lists address as AYRSHIRE@rootsweb.com. I am on several Irish mailing lists and these have the '-L'included so I did wonder about this when I saw it missing. Would SKS please clarify this for me. Kind Regards Chris in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kay Williams To: fabiochris@orcon.net.nz Cc: AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: Spellings Dear Chris in New Zealand and friends, You ask about Arnot becoming Arnott. Really there were no universally accepted spellings of names of people or places. Much depended on the person writing it down. I have found Jane and Jean to be almost interchangable. One ancestor has her maiden surname spelled differently on almost every document (eg with each child's birth): McLellan, McLelland, McClounan, McClellan, McLownan. Don't asume more recent spellings are necessarily 'fixed'. A friend's son has managed to change his middle name from Graham to Graeme simply by putting the second spelling on all forms for the Scottish exam board the SQA and UCAS university entry (a mistake on his part, but effectively he has adopted the second spelling). Note that some spellings may be errors of transcription. The letters c, r and t can be confused. See http://www.scottishhandwriting.com/1hrS3.asp A note on phonetic spellings http://www.scottishhandwriting.com/1hrS4.asp Best wishes, Kay In dreich, foggy Edinburgh. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.105/2562 - Release Date: 12/13/09 07:39:00

Reference Melvilles/Wyllie of Beith posted by Lesley Stainer 1 February 2010 >From that posting a connection was established between Lynne and Nyle relating to the 1821 marriage of John WHITEHEAD to Marion DONALD. We were searching for Elizabeth MUIR the 2nd wife of John WHITEFORD and went off-list to search - this is our progress, or lack of it, to date. We know from 1841 census Elizabeth Muir was about 30 and was born Ayrshire and employed at Willowyard by John Whiteford. They married 1844 and their daughter Margaret was born 1845. We assume Elizabeth died in childbirth as John Whiteford was a widower in the 1851 census. We do not discount that she died later than 1845. As the Whiteford families appear not to have used the common naming pattern it is not safe to assume the baby Margaret was named after Elizabeth Muir's mother. If she was named after Elizabeth's mother, then it is possible Elizabeth Muir was the daughter of Thomas Muir and Margaret Thomson, and born 1815 Kilmaurs. Catch point... it appears likely - that Elizabeth Muir married 1841 Thomas RICHMONT (aka RICHMOND) and had a son Thomas in the same year. To date we cannot find further trace of that family.... anywhere. Our brickwall appears to be created by the lack of death/burial records 1820-1854. They are not included on Ayrshire burials CD, do not appear to be included on Scotland's People, have not been filmed by LDS, and the only reference we can find to their existence is in the book published 1993 by SAFHS and reprinted regularly, but has no mention of being further edited or updated - The Parishes, Registers, and Registrars of Scotland ...which states deaths for Beith 1820-1854 are held at Register House, Edinburgh. Our next step is to establish that. Kilmaurs burials records do not go beyond 1785. We have searched every imaginable avenue of the 1841 census, the death record of John Whiteford, 1867, and the marriage record of John Whiteford to Elizabeth. We cannot find MI's for Beith. We will keep you posted. But please... any lister who thinks they might have a connection to the puzzle... make contact. We are in the early but obvious stages of despair....!! Lynne and Nyle

Dear Chris in New Zealand and friends, You ask about Arnot becoming Arnott. Really there were no universally accepted spellings of names of people or places. Much depended on the person writing it down. I have found Jane and Jean to be almost interchangable. One ancestor has her maiden surname spelled differently on almost every document (eg with each child's birth): McLellan, McLelland, McClounan, McClellan, McLownan. Don't asume more recent spellings are necessarily 'fixed'. A friend's son has managed to change his middle name from Graham to Graeme simply by putting the second spelling on all forms for the Scottish exam board the SQA and UCAS university entry (a mistake on his part, but effectively he has adopted the second spelling). Note that some spellings may be errors of transcription. The letters c, r and t can be confused. See http://www.scottishhandwriting.com/1hrS3.asp A note on phonetic spellings http://www.scottishhandwriting.com/1hrS4.asp Best wishes, Kay In dreich, foggy Edinburgh.

Hi folks After seeing that my message ( John Arnot born 1797 Ayrshire?...) put up on the Ayrshire message board on rootsweb is gatewayed to this list I decided the best thing to do was join the list. Firstly my apologies for my careless spelling of Ayrshire in that message (I hit the 'e' instead of the 'r' and missed it out altogether in the subject heading). Secondly, what a great wealth of information the members of this list have put together to share with everyone. Thank you all for this. I have just taken up pursuing my Arnot(t) branch after a 10 month pause ( spent searching for my Nolans, Walshes and Kellys in Ireland!) as I had hit a brick wall. I had overlooked My GGGrandfather (John Arnots) place of birth being Ayrshire, Beath on his 1851 census. So focused was I on the Stirlingshire /Dunbarton area which is where his wife and her family came from and where all their children were born. Also just the one 't' is his name confused me,as his son (James ,my GGrandf) is recorded as Arnott in his marriage cert and in the subsequent census and death cert. James birth parish records have him with only one 't' though. Does anyone know why the extra 't' was added to the name Arnot? Hoping someone out there is connected to this John Arnot from Ayrshire. Chris in New Zealand, where we are at the height of our summer and having extremely hot and muggy weather

Nyle You have several "forms" of the Presbyterian Church so you may need to look at that aspect. Willowyards now looks like it is an Industrial Estate between Beith and Kilirinie Lock. I would also look at both Kilirnie and Dalry or even Ardrossan for the first wife. For the second wife - Elizabeth Muir - you may have to find out where she was born as she MIGHT HAVE BEEN BURIED in her "home town". Good hunting Mike Boyd. ----- Original Message ----- From: <gemwood@xtra.co.nz> To: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com>; <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [AYR] BEITH and WILLOWYARD > Mike > Willowyard is about 1 mile west (slightly south west) of Beith on google > maps. Come down Dalry Road (looks like a main road through town), turn > into Willowyard Road. The turnoff is on the fringe of the present day > township. > > Religion... > > The 1834 death was Marion DONALD - 1st wife of John WHITEFORD. The > Donald's would be Presbyterian. The second death was Elizabeth MUIR - 2nd > wife of John Whiteford. I am guessing the Muirs would be Presbyterian. > > Hope that helps. > > Marion was born Ardrossan (birth also recorded Dalry). Have no idea where > Elizabeth Muir was born. > > Nyle >

Mike Willowyard is about 1 mile west (slightly south west) of Beith on google maps. Come down Dalry Road (looks like a main road through town), turn into Willowyard Road. The turnoff is on the fringe of the present day township. Religion... The 1834 death was Marion DONALD - 1st wife of John WHITEFORD. The Donald's would be Presbyterian. The second death was Elizabeth MUIR - 2nd wife of John Whiteford. I am guessing the Muirs would be Presbyterian. Hope that helps. Marion was born Ardrossan (birth also recorded Dalry). Have no idea where Elizabeth Muir was born. Nyle

Could SKS please suggest where someone who died 1834 and another who died 1845 at Willowyard, BEITH might be buried. We have done the records to shreds but the death/burial records for that period are non-existent.... or we are looking in the wrong place. We imagine they were buried in Beith somewhere.... or out on the farm at Willowyard!! But the record of the deaths would come under Beith.... which appear to be suffering from severe silverfish attack. Any help would be much appreciated. Nyle James

Nyle In which direction from Beith is Willowyard? And what religion was the family in 1834 and 1845? There are several other towns nearby that that they could have been buried in? I have a Robert Boyd who came from Oldhall - between Beith and Dunlop - and died in 1766 but is buried in Irvine. So they did not always get buried in the nearby town or church. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: <gemwood@xtra.co.nz> To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: [AYR] BEITH and WILLOWYARD > Could SKS please suggest where someone who died 1834 and another who died > 1845 at Willowyard, BEITH might be buried. > > We have done the records to shreds but the death/burial records for that > period are non-existent.... or we are looking in the wrong place. We > imagine they were buried in Beith somewhere.... or out on the farm at > Willowyard!! But the record of the deaths would come under Beith.... > which appear to be suffering from severe silverfish attack. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Nyle James > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry My spelling mistake. I rechecked it agian after David's reply to see that I should have WRITTEN- COROCHAN and not Corchan. Remember this is 1688 spelling. So any suggetions as to its current location. Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:14 PM Subject: [AYR] "Corchan" > In the birth notice of an Robert Boyd in Irvine in 1688 his father is > given > as:- > > "Robert Boyd, Corchan." > > I am assuming this is an "Estate" but have no idea where this may be > located. Can anyone give me any suggetions > > Thank you. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have the following in their list. We are trying to find what happened to the children, particularly daughter Elizabeth. Thomas MUIR and Margaret THOMSON born c1780 Their children - all birth dates all born Kilmaurs James Muir 1806 Robert Muir 1808 (twin) Thomas Muir 1808 (twin) ... found 1841 census Kilmaurs John Muir 1812 Elizabeth Muir 1815 Margaret Muir 1821 Many thanks Nyle James

The "extra" t could easily creep in/fall off as spelling wasn't standardised as it is today, so in my family Car became Kerr in one step, and Sinclair became Sinkler for a generation, as it was written as it sounded (ie in broad Aberdonian). When searching it's well worth thinking way putside the box when it comes to spelling. Louise On 5 February 2010 11:23, fabiochris <fabiochris@orcon.net.nz> wrote: > Also just the one 't' is his name confused me,as his son (James ,my > GGrandf) is recorded as Arnott in his marriage cert and in the subsequent > census and death cert. James birth parish records have him with only one 't' > though. Does anyone know why the extra 't' was added to the name Arnot? >

Mike and Irene, if you (or anybody else for that matter) want to bypass the horrors of Ancestry.com re: the censuses, freecen has a large number of listings and transcribers are working very hard to get all censuses, bmd's (from 1837) and old parish registers onto the web. Cheers, Lynne. PS: links to the censuses and opr's can be found on the free bmd site

David This is a 1688 Spelling. So I have no idea what the word may be spelt today. I have checked the spelling again and it is COROCHAN. There were Boyds from Paisley over quite a long period but I am not yet sure how they fit into the Boyds form Ayrshire. There were Boyds from GAVAN AND RYSK which I had assumed for many years was Govan, a few miles downstream from Glasgow. However, last year I found on the map, about 3 kms east of Lockwinnock and on the east side of the A737 road a farm called Risk and two other farms called Mid Gaven and East Gaven. These three farms are on the west side of Howwood. I assume your Cochran is located NE of Howwood (which is off the Landranger Map 63). Thank you. I will make a note of this in that family chapter that this Robert Boyd MIGHT BE LINKED to the Boyds of Gavan and Rysk. Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS ----- Original Message ----- From: David Thom To: mikejboyd@bigpond.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: "Robert Boyd, Corchan." Mike, Could 'CORCHAN' be a mis-spelling of 'COCHRAN?' The Cochrans were kindred of the Ayrshire Montgomery family and they had a castle and large estate in south Renfrewshire, on the borders of Paisley parish and Lochwinnoch parish. David.

Irene You should contact your local Federal MP for the Canadian Parliament about this. My understanding form Australia is that if you write it it is your copyright. Ancestry have not bought it form you. It may also be worth trying to contact in Ottawa the Canadian Copyright Office. I know that over the last year or so, there are a number of Ancestry queries about Boyds in Ayrshire that I would have lived to have exchanged correspondence with, so I can help them but I can't reply to them directly. I an not sure if American Members of this list may need to contact their local Federal Congressman about this issue as well. Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, House of Boyd Society ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Mitchell" <imitchell@telus.net> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:32 AM Subject: [AYR] COLMAN: Message Board Posts - Ancestry.com > This morning, I am fuming at Ancestry, which has somehow acquired rights > to postings I made to rootsweb message boards from 2001 onwards. They > have 21 of my postings listed, the majority of which are AYRSHIRE > postings. Today, I received a message from the MESSAGE BOARD > ADMINISTRATION TEAM that a reply had been made to 'my' posting, viz: > > A reply has been posted to your message, "Re: Colman family from > Kilmarnock" on "2/29/2004 2:16:06 PM GMT" > Author: ringofab41 > Date: 2/4/2010 2:48:15 PM GMT > http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/5874.1.1/mb.ashx > > I've spent a lot of time this morning collecting information for a reply > to this posting. Now I find that I am unable to respond to the Colman > researcher UNLESS I agree to a Privacy Policy and Terms and Conditions set > out by Ancestry, which include, "Whether in the free section or in the > subscription section of the Service, all Content is owned and/or > copyrighted by Ancestry." > > How is Ancestry able to take ownership of my postings without my consent? > Surely the postings are copyright to me? > > Anyway, if the COLMAN researcher sees this e-mail message, he or she may > contact me directly by responding to this message. > > Irene, British Columbia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Linda that 'off list' communication regarding queries is not fair to other listers... My policy is to work off list with contacts if I realise a lot more research is required to solve the query. Once the problem is solved... I go back on list to post a précis of the outcome... that way the listers have access to the findings. Nyle James

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kiwibird56 Surnames: Arnot, Wallace, McGilchrist Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13929/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am searching for the birthdate and parents of my GGGrandfather John Arnot and anyone who has a connection to this family. I have worked backwards from my Grandfather to find John with the help of birth, marriage and death certs and the census's. On Sept 14th 1822 he married Agnes McGilchrist in Campsie, Stirling, Scotland. His first son was named Thomas and his second daughter was named Isabel. In the 1851 census it records his age as 49 years and his birth place as "Ayeshire, Beath". The only John born in Ayeshire recorded in Scotlands People around that time was born in 1797 to Thomas Arnot and Isobel Wallace. The "Beath" has been misspelt should be "Bieth" if its the Ayeshire one. And the year 1797 is a few years off compared to the age he gives in the census. But because of his childrens names following the Scottish naming pattern I am inclined to believe that this John Arnot born 1797 might be my John. I am hoping that there are other decendents of John Arnot out there searching and would really appreciate any suggestions of other ways I could search for him. Family legend has it that he was a farmer, but both the 1841 in Campsie and 1851 census in the Parish/District of Cumbernauld.County Dunbarton, have him down as a limestone miner. Many thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: reneetalbot1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13926.1.1.1.1.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Russ, Seems I was getting myself in a knot there for a second, but have gone through it bit by bit and have found what i was doing wrong. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kagada Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13928.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have just had a ferret around my Parker info and found I have the census for Archibald Morton for 1881-1901. If this is of interest email me at kerriea@aapt.net.au and I'll email it to you as an attachment. Regards Kerrie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.