'Delated' means 'accused' or 'denounced'. However I wonder if it may be 'working their hose' - they may have been weavers or hosiers. I'm following these with interest, hoping for names I'll recognise, and looking through archives for the ones before I joined this list .. Thanks Jim! Jenny PS nae Gaelic here, just Scots and the odd legal-Latin phrase (pro secundo - for the second time)

Have ADAMs in my line in Kilmarnock. John ADAM, Blacksmith was born there in 1830 to John ADAM [1798-?] and Mary COWAN. Don't have any links further back for the elder John ADAM. The IGI is not a help with them, seems few of this family registered births or marriages and I understand other Kilmarnock families didn't register their children either. We found parent's names when the Blacksmith son John died in Glasgow, 1908. Are Any Monumental Inscriptions published for Kilmarnock ? Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA -------------------------------

HI, Thanks to Irene and all the others for their thoughts on this document. I'd like to offer a scan of this page to anyone who'd like to take a shot at it. Please request offline, directly to me. Jim Bundy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Irene Macleod" <lowlandscot@sky.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:39 AM To: "J Blain" <jenny.blain@freeuk.com> Cc: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 61 > Yes but ...waulking cloth is to make it shrink ...usually done to tweed. I > thought hose meant stockings and stockings would be knitted ...you'd > hardly > want them to shrink. I think we need Jim to confirm that it is definitely > 'hose' and not 'horse' > > Irene > > On 22 February 2010 16:52, J Blain <jenny.blain@freeuk.com> wrote: > >> I think that's a better guess than 'working' which is what I'd >> suggested - waulking their hose makes sense. >> >> Jenny >> >> >Would "waking yr hose" mean waulking (as in fulling cloth) their hose, >> i.e. >> >stockings? >> > >> >The language seems to me to be all Scots (with the odd Latin phrase >> >thrown >> >in), don't see any Gaelic in there, >> > >> >Janet >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here are definitions from http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/index.html: 1. Delation means an accusation, informing against, or denouncement. 2. Variant spellings of the verb "walk" included "wak" or "wake" and definitions included: (1) to be or remain awake, esp. at or all night (2) to wake up or awaken from sleep (3) to keep watch over, guard 3. Hose means: (1) a stocking; or stockings of mail as part of a suit of armour (2) the sheath enclosing an ear of corn (3) the neck of a golf-club, where the head is fitted into the shaft With regard to "hose" definition (2), the dictionary also gives this example of usage from Ayr. (Aug.) 1802 Farmer's Mag. 390: "Opening the socket, or hose, as it is called, when the number of grains are all formed and just ready to appear." I wonder if it's possible the offense with which the men were accused was guarding their ripening corn instead of being in church. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of fabiochris Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:36 PM To: Rootsweb Ayrshire Subject: Re: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 61 Thanks for this Jim, it gives us a great window into the past and I am enjoying the challenge of trying to understand the language that my ancestors once spoke. Is it (the language) a mixture of Gaelic and English? And would my guessing below be close to the mark??? Delations Johne Smyth James Hilhous and Rot Buntein for profaining the sabboth for waking yr hose yt day Johne Smith, James Hilhous and Rot Buntein were Delated (no idea what that means!) for profaining the sabbath because they walked or wakened their horse that day.(????) Chris in New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@verizon.net> To: "Rootsweb Ayrshire" <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 6:25 AM Subject: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 61 > Page 83 > > Parents or masters And that the elders of the several quarters sould sie > it done. > > The qlk day Mathow Broun is nominat & appointed ruling elder to wait upon > the several meetings of the presbytrie until the nixt Synod. > > Delations > > George Whyt for drukennes > > Johne Smyth James Hilhous and Rot Buntein for profaining the sabboth for > waking yr hose yt day > > Rot Andrew for slandering his step son and his other faist's dochtir > saying that they wir his mothers deith > > November 10 1652 > > The qlk day Johne Baird called & compeired not is to be sumondit pro > tertio. > > George Whyt being delate and sumondit for drukennes being called & not > compeiring is to be sumondit pro secundo. > > Johne Smyth, James Hilhous and Rot Bountein being delate and sumondit for > profaining the lords day by waking yr hose in the milne. Compeired > confessing to the charges the sabboth said bein passed And the session > finding them sensible of yr sine did rebuke them only judicially > > Compeired Rot Andro for slandering of his stepson and his dochtir after > citation denyed the same, it is referred to further tryall. > > The qlk day the session takeing to consideration the petition of Nicol > Robeson for libertie to build ane citie house in the nook of the church > yaird nixt adjacent to his own dwelling house, and finding no prejudice to > the burial placis of the congregation did grant his petition upon the > lerints contenned in the case after specified > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.105/2562 - Release Date: 12/13/09 07:39:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it's "walking the horse in the mill" a treadmill, mayhaps? Ken C. Albuquerque In a message dated 2/21/2010 9:36:33 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, fabiochris@orcon.net.nz writes: Thanks for this Jim, it gives us a great window into the past and I am enjoying the challenge of trying to understand the language that my ancestors once spoke. Is it (the language) a mixture of Gaelic and English? And would my guessing below be close to the mark??? Delations Johne Smyth James Hilhous and Rot Buntein for profaining the sabboth for waking yr hose yt day Johne Smith, James Hilhous and Rot Buntein were Delated (no idea what that means!) for profaining the sabbath because they walked or wakened their horse that day.(????) Chris in New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@verizon.net> To: "Rootsweb Ayrshire" <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 6:25 AM Subject: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 61 > Page 83 > > Parents or masters And that the elders of the several quarters sould sie > it done. > > The qlk day Mathow Broun is nominat & appointed ruling elder to wait upon > the several meetings of the presbytrie until the nixt Synod. > > Delations > > George Whyt for drukennes > > Johne Smyth James Hilhous and Rot Buntein for profaining the sabboth for > waking yr hose yt day > > Rot Andrew for slandering his step son and his other faist's dochtir > saying that they wir his mothers deith > > November 10 1652 > > The qlk day Johne Baird called & compeired not is to be sumondit pro > tertio. > > George Whyt being delate and sumondit for drukennes being called & not > compeiring is to be sumondit pro secundo. > > Johne Smyth, James Hilhous and Rot Bountein being delate and sumondit for > profaining the lords day by waking yr hose in the milne. Compeired > confessing to the charges the sabboth said bein passed And the session > finding them sensible of yr sine did rebuke them only judicially > > Compeired Rot Andro for slandering of his stepson and his dochtir after > citation denyed the same, it is referred to further tryall. > > The qlk day the session takeing to consideration the petition of Nicol > Robeson for libertie to build ane citie house in the nook of the church > yaird nixt adjacent to his own dwelling house, and finding no prejudice to > the burial placis of the congregation did grant his petition upon the > lerints contenned in the case after specified > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.105/2562 - Release Date: 12/13/09 07:39:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A marriage certificate for Andrew's 2nd marriage (31 December 1858 in Australia) gives his parents as John JOHNSTON (shoemaker) and Margaret DAW(DALL). Andrew was widowed in August 1858 and had 7 living children, 3 had died. I have not found when Andrew emigrated, his first marriage or his death, though his widow remarried in June 1863 in Australia. Does anyone have any information about Andrew's siblings, marriage or children? Hopefully, Yvonne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Matchett481 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/398.1368.1379.1443/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am also descended from John Welsh and Janet McClyment. My line is through Thomas Welsh and Rebekah Percy then Mary Welsh and John Coltart. I have a particular interest in what happened to Mary Welsh. Please contact me. Direst email is matchett48@hotmail.com Regards, John Matchett Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Mike thanks for that, Mary Dickie is the sister of my 3 x great grandmother Agnes Dickie, Agnes married Robert Mackie, of Kilmarnock. Margaret NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: "The Pools" <p.ml.pool@xtra.co.nz>; <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [AYR] william boyd / mary dickie married 05/02/1851 >I hope that John Martin from Gateway also gets this message. > > Margaret In the earely 1990's I was givne this information about this > william Boyd from a member of his family. > > T4 James Boyd, C 29/3/1788, d 29/12/1852 (Berryhill), bu Fenwick kirkyard, > m 22/12/1823 (Kilmarnock), Agnes Scouler, dau of James and Agnes (Young) > Scouler, b 1798, d 25/3/1896 (Dean St. Kilmarnock), bu Fenwick kirkyard, > and had issue:- > > [Lived: ] > > - The 1981 International Genealogical Index for Scotland, has an entry for > a James Boyd , with same parents, born at Kilmarnock on the same date as > above. > > From the 1994 IGI for the UK:- > > James BOYD (M).............. B: 29 Mar 1788 B: 16 Jan 1971 LANGE Ba: > 7005510 68 > > Father: William BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 17 Jun 1971 LANGE So: > 538352 > > Mother: Margaret WALKER SP: 11 Jan 1972 LANGE > > U1 William Boyd, b 22/3/1824 (Berryhill), d 5/6/1891 (Kilmarnock), m > 28/1/1851 (Fenwick), Mary Dickie, dau of Peter and Janet (nee Murchland) > Dickie, b 1826, d 24/6/1868 (Ditton farm, Riccarton, Ayr), bu Fenwick > kirkyard, and had issue:- > > [Lived: late of Dean St., Kilmarnock, Scotland ] > > - The 1981 International Genealogical Index for Scotland, has entry for a > William Boyd , with same parents, born at Kilmarnock. There is a separate > entry for William and Mary's marriage at Fenwick on 28/6/1851. > > - After William's father James (T4) died at Berryhill in 29/12/1852, he > and Mary went to Berryhill after that date from Greystone Knowe farm > Fenwick (From Censuses - 1851?). William was forced to sell Berryhill farm > about 1861-1862 due to acute financial problems. The family then moved to > Ditton farm, Riccarton, Ayr. I would think that with such a young family > it is likely that William married a second time. > > > > I have a large tree for the Boyd part of this family. The stange part it > seems that they lived in later life in Kilmarnock but were buried in the > Churchyard at Fenwick. > > Hope that this will answer your question. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Pools" <p.ml.pool@xtra.co.nz> > To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:37 AM > Subject: Re: [AYR] william boyd / mary dickie married 05/02/1851 > > >> Hi >> >> do you know who Mary Dickies parents were, my families of Gemmell and >> Dickie >> have a long association with the farm Horsehill in Fenwick. >> >> Margaret >> NZ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:50 PM >> Subject: [AYR] william boyd / mary dickie married 05/02/1851 >> >> >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: johnmartin2459 >>> Surnames: martin >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13939/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> my great uncle william boyd of berryhill kilmarnock married a mary >>> dickie >>> in horsehill kilmarnock 05/02/1851 is dickie a relative of yours ? >>> regards john martin >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >>> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >>> above and respond on the board. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mandiwand Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13945/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi there, Came across 15 births: 1)James Skeoch b.30 dec 1740 in Ardrossan, Ayr to John Skeoch & Martha Orr. 2)James Skeoch b.14 apr 1748 in Stevenston, Ayr to William Skeoch. 3)James Skeoch b.15 sept 1754 in Stewarton, Ayr to John Skeoch & Mary Fulton. 4)James Skeoch b.14 feb 1762 in Ardrossan, Ayr to James Skeoch & Jean Gray 5)James Skeoch b.14 feb 1762 in Stevenson, Ayr to James Skeoch 6)James Skeoch b.23 mar 1794 in Stewarton, Ayr to James Skeoch & Janet Barclay 7)James Skeoch b.20 feb 1803 in Stewarton, Ayr to John Skeoch & Janet Rayburn 8)James Skeoch b.22 jan 1806 in Stevenson, Ayr to James Skeoch & Elizabeth Reside 9)James Skeoch b.03 jan 1808 in Stewarton, Ayr to John Skeoch & Janet Reyburn 10)James Skeoch b.25 feb 1821 in Stewarton, Ayr to John Skeoch & Maragaret Logan 11)James Skeoch b.18 sep 1826 in Stewarton, Ayr to Charles Skeoch & Mary Duncan 12) James Skeoch b.24 jun 1835 in Kirkudbright, Kirkudbright to Anthony Skeoch & Jane Fergusson 13)James Skeoch b.11 jul 1841 in Gorbals, Glasgow City/Lanark to James Skeoch & Jean Sclater 14)James Skeoch b.16 oct 1842 in Stewarton, Ayr to James Skeoch & Janet Kirkland all the best, Mandiwand Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Page 83 Parents or masters And that the elders of the several quarters sould sie it done. The qlk day Mathow Broun is nominat & appointed ruling elder to wait upon the several meetings of the presbytrie until the nixt Synod. Delations George Whyt for drukennes Johne Smyth James Hilhous and Rot Buntein for profaining the sabboth for waking yr hose yt day Rot Andrew for slandering his step son and his other faist's dochtir saying that they wir his mothers deith November 10 1652 The qlk day Johne Baird called & compeired not is to be sumondit pro tertio. George Whyt being delate and sumondit for drukennes being called & not compeiring is to be sumondit pro secundo. Johne Smyth, James Hilhous and Rot Bountein being delate and sumondit for profaining the lords day by waking yr hose in the milne. Compeired confessing to the charges the sabboth said bein passed And the session finding them sensible of yr sine did rebuke them only judicially Compeired Rot Andro for slandering of his stepson and his dochtir after citation denyed the same, it is referred to further tryall. The qlk day the session takeing to consideration the petition of Nicol Robeson for libertie to build ane citie house in the nook of the church yaird nixt adjacent to his own dwelling house, and finding no prejudice to the burial placis of the congregation did grant his petition upon the lerints contenned in the case after specified

We have been searching for the parents of Elizabeth Muir born c1810 Ayrshire, married 1844 to John Whiteford of Willowyard, Beith, and mother of Margaret Whiteford born 1845, Beith. Elizabeth Muir died between October 1845 and Census 1851. The Whiteford family appears not to have used any form of naming pattern, so it is difficult to know if Margaret, daughter of Elizabeth Muir, was named after Elizabeth's mother. And the death/burial record for Elizabeth has not survived. The journey has been frustrating - (see list message re SAFHS publication), enriching - communicating with those who have given so much time to helping us, and disappointing in that the puzzle likely will remain unsolved. Endless creative and intensive researching has gone into our efforts, and while we will not entirely give up searching, we wish to say a sincere thank you to all who have helped us along the way. Your time and kindness has been greatly appreciated and we will endorse that appreciation by trying to help other listers. Lynne and Nyle

Anyone using the SAFHS publication - (Scottish Association of Family History Societies) entitled The Parishes, Registers, and Registrars of Scotland...as a catalogue of BDM records for Scotland... please note... the death records listed for Beith 1820-1854 - are, in fact, marriage records... as advised by NAS in an email to me. Nyle Blenheim NZ

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sharon_Iorio Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13944/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I need to find out how to obtain land records for 1925 at Fenwich. Evidently Fred Jech owned 20 ac. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ashlynnana08 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13941.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply. Yes I have that information but do not have any information on the Hamilton line. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: NyleJames Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13941.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to familysearch.org... Joseph Duff was born 27 December 1830 at Eaglesham and died 11 January 1903. His parents James Duff and Margaret McLure... I presume you have all the children of Joseph Duff and Jean Hamilton... but briefly, I found - Jane 1851, Margaret 1853, Janet 1856, Lillias 1858, twins Ann and Mary 1860, James 1865 and Elizabeth 1871. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello, I have a connection to James Weir - he was my great-great-great grandfather, through his second marriage, to Jane Dickie. The information I have on him is here: http://www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/Weir_Dickie.htm Regards, Robert Struthers gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: JanDishon65 > Surnames: Weir, Gibson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/5659.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I would be very interested in talking with you about this family. James was my ggg grandmother's brother. Her name was Ann Weir who married William Gibson. > > Please e mail be at KKJANDSS@aol.com and put Weir in the Subject line. > > Thank you. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ashlynnana08 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13941/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for ancestors for Mary Hamilton Duff born 26 Dec 1860 (also had a twin sister Ann(e) born in Eaglesham, Scotland. Her parents were Joseph Duff b. 27 Dec 1830 in Renfrewshire. D. Bet 1874-1922. He married Jane or Jean Hamilton B. Lanarkshire. Jane's parents are William Hamilton b. Abt 1793 in Aryshire. He married Jean Muir or Morrison Scotland. William's parents are Alexander Hamilton b. 30 July 1771 in Earnock, Lanarkshire. Married Mary Witherspoon. If you have any information on these, please contact me. Thank you! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KayMcMeekin Surnames: McMeekin, Murdoch, Fleming, McFedroes, Mathieson, McJanet Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6368.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have an Elizabeth Murdoch born 1789 in Bankland, Muirkirk to Thomas Murdoch and Margaret Templeton. Could this be the wife of your Archibald Rankin? Date seems right but there are a lot of Murdochs in Muirkirk! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mandiwand Surnames: Skeoch, Rankine, Gebbie, McConnell, Black Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13940/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi there, Looking for a Skeoch in Airdrie, I came across the following: James Skeoch: Born: 21 oct 1892, Maryhill, Glasgow, Scotland. Father: David Skeoch, Iron Moulder, res. 85 Denmark Street, Glasgow. Mother:Agnes Rankine, Pottery worker, res. 79 Denmark Street, Glasgow. Both born 1870 acc. to marriage cert; though Agnes' 1901 Census indic. 1872. Married 4 jun 1890. Grandparents: John Skeoch (d. bef 4 jun 1890), Coalminer (prob. also 85 Denmark Street) as brother John (witness marr.) was also at this address; & Elizabeth Gebbie (?). Grandparents: James Rankine, Coalminer & Elizabeth McConnell. James Skeoch also had another brother John (b. 1890) who died at 2 years of age, i think; in addition to the 2 sisters mentioned as stepdaghters (to Thomas Black)in the Scottish 1901 Census. As one family tree indicates James went to Quebec, i think it was the wrong one for me. anyway, all the best, mandiwand. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I hope that John Martin from Gateway also gets this message. Margaret In the earely 1990's I was givne this information about this william Boyd from a member of his family. T4 James Boyd, C 29/3/1788, d 29/12/1852 (Berryhill), bu Fenwick kirkyard, m 22/12/1823 (Kilmarnock), Agnes Scouler, dau of James and Agnes (Young) Scouler, b 1798, d 25/3/1896 (Dean St. Kilmarnock), bu Fenwick kirkyard, and had issue:- [Lived: ] - The 1981 International Genealogical Index for Scotland, has an entry for a James Boyd , with same parents, born at Kilmarnock on the same date as above. >From the 1994 IGI for the UK:- James BOYD (M).............. B: 29 Mar 1788 B: 16 Jan 1971 LANGE Ba: 7005510 68 Father: William BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 17 Jun 1971 LANGE So: 538352 Mother: Margaret WALKER SP: 11 Jan 1972 LANGE U1 William Boyd, b 22/3/1824 (Berryhill), d 5/6/1891 (Kilmarnock), m 28/1/1851 (Fenwick), Mary Dickie, dau of Peter and Janet (nee Murchland) Dickie, b 1826, d 24/6/1868 (Ditton farm, Riccarton, Ayr), bu Fenwick kirkyard, and had issue:- [Lived: late of Dean St., Kilmarnock, Scotland ] - The 1981 International Genealogical Index for Scotland, has entry for a William Boyd , with same parents, born at Kilmarnock. There is a separate entry for William and Mary's marriage at Fenwick on 28/6/1851. - After William's father James (T4) died at Berryhill in 29/12/1852, he and Mary went to Berryhill after that date from Greystone Knowe farm Fenwick (From Censuses - 1851?). William was forced to sell Berryhill farm about 1861-1862 due to acute financial problems. The family then moved to Ditton farm, Riccarton, Ayr. I would think that with such a young family it is likely that William married a second time. I have a large tree for the Boyd part of this family. The stange part it seems that they lived in later life in Kilmarnock but were buried in the Churchyard at Fenwick. Hope that this will answer your question. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Pools" <p.ml.pool@xtra.co.nz> To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [AYR] william boyd / mary dickie married 05/02/1851 > Hi > > do you know who Mary Dickies parents were, my families of Gemmell and > Dickie > have a long association with the farm Horsehill in Fenwick. > > Margaret > NZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:50 PM > Subject: [AYR] william boyd / mary dickie married 05/02/1851 > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: johnmartin2459 >> Surnames: martin >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13939/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> my great uncle william boyd of berryhill kilmarnock married a mary dickie >> in horsehill kilmarnock 05/02/1851 is dickie a relative of yours ? >> regards john martin >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >> above and respond on the board. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message