This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jenelle_McCarrick Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1781.1915.1926.1931.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I actually have the birth entry (a researcher got it for me) shows Parish of Beith - County of Ayr then on the page where the entry is says:- John Aitken - Son lawful to to Robert Dunlop Surgeon (small column has the heading born - 8 ) next column says Baptised 14)..in Town and Agnes Aitken. At the bottom of the page it says.. The above particulars are extracted from a Register of Births and Baptisms dated 14 January, 1808. Given under the Seal of the General Register Office, New REgister House, Edinburgh. I'm a descendant of Agnes Aitken's brother Peter Aitken (jeweller).. Jenelle. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ddilello1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1781.1915.1926.1931.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Actually that is what someone else had found, but it is incorrect. John Dunlop 1808, Dreghorn s/o Hugh Dunlop & Margaret Gemmil married Agnes Richmond 1819 Glasgow d/o George Richmond & Margaret Gibson. This has been proven. Are you a desc. of John Aitken? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jenelle_McCarrick Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1781.1915.1926.1931.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have John Aitken Dunlop (parents Agnes Aitken/Robert Dunlop) b 14 Jan 1808, Beith Ayrshire marrying Agnes R Richmond 20 Nov, 1840, Kilmarnock, (same ones)?? Jenelle. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ddilello1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1781.1915.1926.1931.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: just to clarrify, I have since found out that John Dunlop 1808-1861 was married to Agnes Richmond 1819-1894, not Orr. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lowlandscot Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13949.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Her death certificate (from scotlandspeople.gov.uk) should give you her parents names Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Jenny and Others in relation to ADAM... Here is a later generation of ADAM from a book our FH group published..... ADAM, Thomas b 1 May 1819 Kilmarnock SCT d 3 Jul 1904 Raymond Terrace NSW Aus. Occ cabinet maker, builder (son of Thomas Adam b 1787 d 1865 and Helen Walker b 1788 who marr 1806 Kilmarnock SCT). Arr AUS 23 Jan 1838 per Minerva Marr 28 Aug 1840 St Andrew's Scots Presbyterian Church Sydney NSW Aus to Rebecca BOWDEN b 31 Aug 1821 Benenden KEN ENG d 19 Nov 1902 Raymond Terrace NSW Aus. Issue details are available if any find a connection to this Thomas ADAM. He is not related to my Ayrshire families. Regards Jenny

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oldcumnock Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13949/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for information on Jane Gourlay buried at Wallacetown Churchyard (roman catholic) she died on 22 September 1858, Jane was married to Owen Gourlay. This churchyard came under St Quivox and Newton Parish. Thank you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>>Johne Smyth James Hilhous and Rot Buntein for profaining the sabboth for >>waking yr hose yt day November 10 1652 >>Johne Smyth, James Hilhous and Rot Bountein being delate and sumondit for >>profaining the lords day by waking yr hose in the milne. Compeired >>confessing to the charges the sabboth said bein passed And the session >>finding them sensible of yr sine did rebuke them only judicially<< And I never thought that possibly one of my "long losts" would create such a talking point, and he probably never thought that we would be reading the sins of 1652! If there is anyone able to shed any light on the HILLHOUS / HILLHOWSE / HILLHOUSE family between 1650 and 1750 in Kilmarnock and Tarbolton/Ochiltree I and many other HILLHOUSE reserchers would appreciate hearing from you. Regards Jenny

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: NyleJames Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try searching for a Will/Inventory for Mary Duffy/McMillan... it will be dated and is free to search on Scotland's People. That will give you an alternative 'death record'. Hmmm... I understand your frustration. I cannot wait to find the big, black hole 95% of Ayrshire records appear to have fallen into. Sorry, I posted this direct to the list before realising your posting was made via the message board... so here it is again... an now my broadband has gone down!!! Good luck Nyle Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

HI Chris, I think lair means family vault - probably same origin as a fox's lair - I don't know which came first - the fox or the deceased family - suspect the fox. Cheers, Mary (Perth WA)

Hi Folks Have a Scottish Burial Register record 1853 from Scotlands People on which one of the columns has the heading Buried - In the Lair of. Have tried Googling it but cannot find exactly what this means. Would anyone be able to explain this further please Kind Regards Chris in rural Western Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2706 - Release Date: 02/24/10 03:34:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cuppatea211 Surnames: Duffy McMillan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I need some help finding a death record for Mary McMillan (maiden name Duffy), please. I've searched ScotlandsPeople every way I can think of, and have come up empty-handed. She was born about 1837 in Ayr, Ayrshire, and disappears after 1883. She was residing in Muirkirk in the 1881 census, married to John McMillan (b. abt 1826). Any suggestions or help will be greatly appreciated - I really want to find her parents' names! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

"Lair" is still used in Scotland to refer to any burial plot. Brian ---- Mary Paton <em.paton86@iinet.net.au> wrote: > HI Chris, > > I think lair means family vault - probably same origin as a fox's > lair - I don't know which came first - the fox or the deceased family > - suspect the fox. > > Cheers, > Mary (Perth WA) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Following up on my recent posting, I'm wondering what places folks on the list know of with concentrations of families from around Fenwick/Kilmarnock/Stewarton? I know there were bunches of folks at several sites in the U.S. and New Zealand, and some to Australia... but would like to know more. My list: Orleans County, VT (Towns: Craftsbury, Glover, Greensboro / Families include: Sheilds, Calderwood, Mitchell, Borland) Saratoga & Fulton Counties, NY (Towns: Saratoga Springs, West Galway, Perth / Families include: Calderwood, Wylie, Borland, etc.) Randolph County, IL (Towns: Sparta, Tilden, etc. / Families include: Cuthbertson, Anderson, Gemmell, Watt, Wylie, Andrew, Faulds, Bicket, Calderwood, Wright, Dunlop, Nairn, Fulton.) Crawford County, KS (Towns: Girard, Pittsburg, Beulah -- most, but not all, of these were second generation families from Randolph County, IL) Others around the world??? Ken Cuthbertson Albuquerque, NM

Hi, I understand from a contact in Vermont that there were seven families from around Fenwick and Kilmarnock that settled in the area of Craftsbury, Glover, and Greensboro, VT in the 1820s, with more coming later. The names I know are Sheilds, Calderwood, and Mitchell. I'm curious what others may know? Ken Cuthbertson Albuquerque

Jenny, I don't know if you've ever searched the online database of the National Archives of Scotland, but here's a link that will take you to their welcome page, where you can follow a link to their search page. (I don't know why, but the same url appears for both pages while using the url always takes you to the welcome page.): http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/ Once there, unfortunately, you can only search for one spelling at a time. I did a couple of quick searches and found the following number of results for various spellings of the name between the years 1650 and 1750. However, I did not read the extracts to see whether they are persons or places or what kinds of information are included in the extracts. Hilhous - 1 Hilhouse - 4 Hillhous - 1 Hillhouse - 38 There were no results searching for the name spelled with a "w" instead of "u". Loretta Lynn Layman -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Myers Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:17 AM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 61 HILHOUS >>Johne Smyth James Hilhous and Rot Buntein for profaining the sabboth for >>waking yr hose yt day November 10 1652 >>Johne Smyth, James Hilhous and Rot Bountein being delate and sumondit for >>profaining the lords day by waking yr hose in the milne. Compeired >>confessing to the charges the sabboth said bein passed And the session >>finding them sensible of yr sine did rebuke them only judicially<< And I never thought that possibly one of my "long losts" would create such a talking point, and he probably never thought that we would be reading the sins of 1652! If there is anyone able to shed any light on the HILLHOUS / HILLHOWSE / HILLHOUSE family between 1650 and 1750 in Kilmarnock and Tarbolton/Ochiltree I and many other HILLHOUSE reserchers would appreciate hearing from you. Regards Jenny ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris. Here is one definition of "lair" from the online Dictionary of the Scots Language at http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/index.html: 4. A burial-place or -site. a. A grave or tomb. b. Chiefly, a space or plot reserved as burial-space by a person or family in a church or graveyard. I've cited this database several times in the past and should have included the sources from which it is taken. They are: (1) The 12-volume "Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue" compiled over the period 1931-2002, which contains information about Scots words in use from the twelfth to the end of the seventeenth centuries (Older Scots). The first editor of this series was Sir William Craigie, who was also the third Editor of the Oxford English Dictionary. (2) The 10-volume "Scottish National Dictionary" compiled over the period 1931-1976, which contains information about Scots words in use from 1700 to the 1970s (modern Scots). The first editor was William Grant. The digitization of these volumes into the Dictionary of the Scots Language was done at the University of Dundee between the years 2001 and 2004. This database undoubtedly, in my view, is the most extensive and reliable source for authentic definitions from both Old Scots and the "modern" Scots language. Loretta Lynn Layman -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian & Chris Riley Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:21 AM To: ayrshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [AYR] "Buried in the Lair of" Hi Folks Have a Scottish Burial Register record 1853 from Scotlands People on which one of the columns has the heading Buried - In the Lair of. Have tried Googling it but cannot find exactly what this means. Would anyone be able to explain this further please Kind Regards Chris in rural Western Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2706 - Release Date: 02/24/10 03:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aye - not too many monarchs around in Ayrshire at that time! Not sure when it stopped being called that (or when the old 'cure' of the scrophulous person being touched by the king stopped being regarded.. it's likely the name hung on a bit longer than the belief, and that the belief hung on among the unenlightened, even through the 'enlightenment'...) Jenny >I reviewing some burial info and found this as cause. > >William Davidson, formerly residing in Auchnight? Died 06-Nov 1802, >age 56, Cause of death given - Kings evil > >I just checked Wikipedia and it says "Scrofula", skin diseases, a >form of TB - I guess he couldn't find a "Monarch" to touch. > >Bill

Hello Chris, I went to FamilySearch and sought the marriage of Isobel Wallace and found this event which is an extracted event and you therefore might learn something from the parish entry. > >ISOBEL WALLACE > >Marriages: > Spouse: ARNOT > Marriage: 1777 Kirknewton And East Calder, Midlothian, Scotland > > > Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: > > M116905 1773 - 1792 1067763 I have note of 7 children to your Thomas Arnot and Isobel Wallace from 1777 - 1797. The first two males were named Joseph and William. I would consider the possibility that Joseph was named after Isobel's father: >ISABEL WALLACE >Event(s): > >Christening: >05 JUN 1757 Ratho, Midlothian, Scotland > >Parents: > Father: JOSEPH WALLACE > Mother: MARGARET GILLONE FYI there is also a Poor Law entry dated 4 Mar 1861 for Joseph Mackie Arnot which I found somewhere at one time on the internet. Poor Law can give you a lot of information and there could be more than one application. Kilbirnie Parish Council Record of Applications, 1859-1862 CO3/41/25 Surname Forename(s) Age County of Birth Occupation Residence Year of Application Dependents: Arnot Joseph Mackie 81 Beith Farm Servant, Labourer, Vagrant Montgomerystone 1861 None There may have been more than one application as I also have this information claiming his was disabled. #429 widower/aged 81/farm servant & labr/wholly disabled b. Beith I have always been interested in this Beith family of ARNOT. My Esther Arnot b. 1761 Polmont/Stirling married Matthew MACKIE in 1782 at Dalry/Ayrshire. This Mackie family were at Dalry for generations. Esther's father Archibald was born in West Lothian and her mother was born in Mid Lothian and they married in Stirling. Esther's father worked for the Earl of Glasgow at Kelburne and latterly Blair of C. Worth considering is the fact that your Thomas Arnot was likely born 1757 or earlier and my Archibald had a younger brother named Thomas born 1749/50 Bathgate/West Lothian. I hope this data assists you in your search. If you find any connection to my Arnot I would be happy to hear, Lois

Chris I bought my copy of the SAFHS publication on-line from the SAFHS website. I suggest you try NZSG library if you are a member, or your local genealogy branch, or local LDS family history centre. You will get the same information free from Scotland's People and the National Archives of Scotland websites. But here are the available registers for Beith as listed in the SAFHS publication... and the actual records from these registers should be available on Scotland's People. But you will find the registers are far from being a complete record of BDM's for the period. Either people didn't bother registering or the records have been lost. Births 1661-1694, 1701-1854: Marriages 1659-1854, 1820-1854: Deaths 1783-1787: Re your Arnot family. Pigots directory 1825/26... A James Argot (poss Arnot) was a bookseller and stationer in Main Street. Pigots directory 1837... Agnes Arnot, Catherine Arnot were booksellers and stationers in Main Street. Catherine Arnot was a milliner and dressmaker in Main Street. Jane Arnot was a straw hat maker in Main Street. The post mistress was Catherine Arnott but in the 1825-26 Pigots the post mistress was Catherine Alexander. Perhaps the same Catherine but married to ? Arnot/t by 1837. Not sure if they will help you, but best I can think of at the moment. The Arnots do not appear on the Beith 1691 Hearth tax record so were not a long established family in Beith and the best you can hope for is they came very late to Beith from an area with far better record coverage. Nyle