For about 15 years I have been searching for the marriage of my husband's gggrandparents who were both born, worked and died in the Kilwinning, Stevenston and Dalry areas 1790's to 1870's. I had eventually come to the conclusion that like many others they didn't actually have a church wedding. The other week I was idly putting names into the new LDS pilot site when to my amazement a marriage was shown for Hugh Manners in Clifton, Bristol in 1828 which is exactly when I expected it. I now have copies of both the marriage and the Licence granted two days earlier. The mystery is why in the age before the railway were the two of them down in Bristol just to get married and back in Dalry two months later when their first child was born. I could understand them getting married a bit away from home but hundreds of miles seems a bit extreme. Whatever the reason I am very happy and know never to stop searching. Nuala

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cuppatea211 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks again, Jonn, I really appreciate it! Now, if only they'd post the Catholic marriage records! - Tracy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cuppatea211 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hmmm, good thought, but I doubt she left, since the rest of the family stayed. How did you find the Poor Relief Applications? So far, I've found two ancestors in orphanages and one (earlier) in the poorhouse in Paisley. None in the prisons yet - guess we're either poor but honest or good at not getting caught. I've been wondering how to access those records! Thanks so much! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks to Mike and Nyle for their replies. No, Mike, coal miners couldn't afford to have servants at home. And there were no Aitken children except for Anthony. Nyle, the details of Anthony's birth were from ScotlandsPeople. If we take the 1841 census given age of Jean then she would have only been 14 when Anthony was born. And I don't like the sound of that. A possibility is a Jean Aitken born to a Hugh Aitken/Jean McClanachan 4 May 1812 Sorn, with no other children mentioned on the IGI. As James was born in 1814 it sounds more compatible, but like a lot of these assumptions we might never find out. I trawled through all the Aitkens in the IGI with reference to the ages you provided from the 1841 census without any clear possibility. That is why I'm hoping for an Aitken researcher to piece the jigsaw together. Son Anthony went on to bring up 11 children. John Australia _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to rent, share or buy? Find your next place with ninemsn Property http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/

Hello everyone. If there is SKS who lives in the vicinity of the Grassyards Cemetery in Kilmarnock and they are able to take a photograph of my grandparents headstone and send it to me, we would be forever grateful. We live in Canada, and a trip to Scotland is not in our foreseeable future. We never met our grandparents or any of our aunts and uncles and cousins. Their names are John and Margaret (Whitaker) Wilson They are buried at Lair No S-1301 in the Grassyards Cemetery. Thank you in advance Joanne Noble and family

Hello List, I have ordered some registrations from the Scotland's People website. I do not need them, they are not my family. If you would like them, please contact me with your address and I will mail them to you. They are: Birth Registration for James WILSON born April 20, 1916 at Kilmarnock, Ayrshire Birth Registration for Scott Gordon WILSON born May 28, 1949 at Irvine, Ayrshire Birth Registration for Elizabeth Graham ELLIOT born June 30, 1925 at Kilmarnock, Ayrshire And Death Registration for James WILSON born Dec 18, 1918, died Oct 22, 1991 at Miurkirk, Ayrshire Joanne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WNM3137 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You might consider that your Mary may have left Scotland and died elsewhere. I was convinced that Margaret Lamont McGuire died in Scotland, since I found her Poor Relief Applications and she was widowed. However at an advanced age, she left home and went to Kansas where she lived near family and died a couple of years later. If you have family who left Scotland, you might check those locations. Don't assume that they remained with family in Ayr. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oldcumnock Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13949.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for getting back to me, I have this information, what I am trying to find out is if they are buried in the Catholic Churchyard in Wallace Town. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jonndean Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Tracy, Yes the births are on Scotlandspeople's Site. What i did i put Duf* as surname that will bring up the various spellings of that surname, in the mothers name i entered Mary Mckenzie, no first name entered for father, then i highlighted St. Margaret's, Ayr. You should get three results, ie the three i mentioned, for i credit. I only looked at the index, what you get on the actual certificate is the childs name date of birth, date of baptism, parents names, and sponsors names usually two names, could be other family members. On some of the records you only get a baptism date, no birth date. Hope thats helpful, Regards, Jonn. ps. there was only one cathlolic church St. Margarets, in the town of Ayr, at this period. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cuppatea211 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jonn, THANK YOU!!! I appreciate your help VERY much!! Are those baptism records from ScotlandsPeople, or is there another source? THANKS AGAIN! - Tracy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ddilello1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1781.1915.1926.1931.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: sorry Jennelle, that's the trouble with talking through electronics, things come out wrong. I didn't mean to sound mean. As for the trees online, some of them are old with the old information that people keep copying so the mistake keeps expanding. I also have birth and marriage for my John Dunlop (bDreghorn & mKilmarnock) and Agnes Richmond (bGlasgow) plus a couple of death notices for her brother and sister that were send to her in Ontario, plus much more on "mine" and "yours". Please email m direct: d.dilello@rogers.com and we can sort this out Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I found the birth of Anthony to James Fergusson and Jean Aitken on my vital records index for British Isles CD's... if you found the birth on another source, that at least confirms the names are correct.... and not a mix-up in transcription. Out in left field but - 1841 census for Colmonell Jean Aitken 9 and Mary Aitken 13 working as servants in the same household. Agnes Aitken 10 working as a servant in another household. Hugh Aitken 10 working in another household as a male servant No death records survived for Colmonell pre 1854 - that from 2 separate catalogues... and Jean Aitken did not show on the CD that includes Dailly deaths pre 1855. Nyle

John COULD Jean Aitken have been a worker in James Ferguson's house? Not sure how you would go about confirm that or not? And what did the 1861 Census say about the Aitken's children? Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ferguson" <farguesonn@hotmail.com> To: <ayrshire-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:52 AM Subject: [AYR] AITKEN > > I am hopeful that someone who has researched Aitken, with a Jean, Agnes & > Hugh, > > might be able to solve this query for me. > > James Fergusson was born 1814 Dailly to Robert Fergusson & Mary McLellan > > James married Rosina McHarrie Wason 1837 Dailly and Rosina died 1850 > Dailly > > However, my James Fergusson fathered a son Anthony McLellan Fergusson > born 10 Aug 1846 Colmonell to a JEAN AITKEN > > I can only assume that Jean died because on the 1851 census young Anthony, > aged 4, is with grandparents at Ballantrae. James is with his two children > by Robina, 11 & 8, and his mother Mary at Dalmellington. > > > > But, when son Anthony marries in 1866 at Auchinleck his parents are > recorded as > > James Ferguson and AGNES AITKEN, with HUGH AITKEN as a witness. > > And it is similarly recorded on his death certificate. > > > > I'd be pleased to hear from anyone who can connect with these three Aitken > unknowns. > > > > John > > Australia > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a place to rent, share or buy? Find your next place with > ninemsn Property > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am hopeful that someone who has researched Aitken, with a Jean, Agnes & Hugh, might be able to solve this query for me. James Fergusson was born 1814 Dailly to Robert Fergusson & Mary McLellan James married Rosina McHarrie Wason 1837 Dailly and Rosina died 1850 Dailly However, my James Fergusson fathered a son Anthony McLellan Fergusson born 10 Aug 1846 Colmonell to a JEAN AITKEN I can only assume that Jean died because on the 1851 census young Anthony, aged 4, is with grandparents at Ballantrae. James is with his two children by Robina, 11 & 8, and his mother Mary at Dalmellington. But, when son Anthony marries in 1866 at Auchinleck his parents are recorded as James Ferguson and AGNES AITKEN, with HUGH AITKEN as a witness. And it is similarly recorded on his death certificate. I'd be pleased to hear from anyone who can connect with these three Aitken unknowns. John Australia _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to rent, share or buy? Find your next place with ninemsn Property http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/

Try searching for a Will/Inventory for Mary Duffy/McMillan... it will be dated and is free to search on Scotland's People. That will give you an alternative 'death record'. Hmmm... I understand your frustration. I cannot wait to find the big, black hole 95% of Ayrshire records appear to have fallen into. Good luck Nyle

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jonndean Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Cuppatea, Your Mary Duffy, states on the 1881 census,age 44 years that she was born Ayr,Ayr,that is the the town of Ayr. By 1861, she had married John McMillan, no marriage date. There is only one Mary Duffy, of the correct age in the whole of Ayrshire, prior to the 1861 census, ie 1841, and 1851, who was born in Ayr, Ayr. This Mary Duffy, was born a Catholic, well her baptism date is 01/01/1836. St. Margarets, R.C.Church, Ayr, Ayr. to parents M. Duffy, and Mary McKenzie, the M. in the fathers first name is most likely a error, it should have read J. for John. The 1841. census for Elba Street, Ayr, gives this family. Duff John, M. age 40 years, Weaver, born Ireland, Duff Mary, F. age 30 years, born Ireland, Duff John, M. age 18 years Weaver, born Ireland, Duff George, M. age 16 years, Weaver, born Ireland, Duff Margaret, F. age 13 years, born Ayr, Duff Sarah, F. age 11 years, born Ayr, Duff Mary, F. age 5 years, born Ayr. Birth details for Margaret Duffy, born 12/06/1827, baptized 17/06/1827. St. Margarets, R.C. Church, Ayr, to parents John Duffy, and Mary McKenzie, Birth details of Sarah Duffy, Baptized, 19/12/1829. St Margarets, R.C. Church, Ayr. to parents John Duffy, and Mary McKenzie. With these details its quite apparent that the initial for Mary's, father of M. Duffy, on her baptism, is a error and it should have read J. for John. On lots of Catholic, records you sometimes only get the Baptism, date others you get Birth, and Baptism. You will also find in different records several spelling variations of the name Duffy, ie Duff. Duffey, etc. John McMillan, and Mary Duffy, second son was named John McMillan, most likely after her father, and they also had a daughter named Mary, again most likely after her mother. Regards, Jonn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi if Mary was born in 1837 she cant have been married in 1826 ! If she was married 1855 onwards her parents names will be on her marriage available from Scotlands People. Margaret NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:12 AM Subject: [AYR] Need help finding death record > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: cuppatea211 > Surnames: Duffy McMillan > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I need some help finding a death record for Mary McMillan (maiden name > Duffy), please. I've searched ScotlandsPeople every way I can think of, > and have come up empty-handed. > > She was born about 1837 in Ayr, Ayrshire, and disappears after 1883. She > was residing in Muirkirk in the 1881 census, married to John McMillan (b. > abt 1826). > > Any suggestions or help will be greatly appreciated - I really want to > find her parents' names! > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jenelle_McCarrick Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1781.1915.1926.1931.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I didn't say he didn't exist either, I'm saying that the John Dunlop I have married an Agnes Richmond, just bought the Banns... there is a good chance that there are 2 John Dunlop and 2 Agnes Richmond.. I only raised the subject when I saw the names...(didn't need someone jumping down my throat). I guess all the trees on line are all wrong, when I get the time I'll recheck what I have been given.. Jenelle. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cuppatea211 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13948.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks, Nyle! I'll give it a try, but my family seems to mostly have been pretty poor, so I don't know that there would have been a will. I've tried to find their marriage record, too, without success. I suspect that it's probably in the Catholic parish records, which are supposedly digitized and "coming soon" to ScotlandsPeople. Not soon enough, darn it - I want them now! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ddilello1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1781.1915.1926.1931.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I didn't mean John Aitken didn't exist, I meant that he is not the John Dunlop that married Agnes Richmond in 1840 and moved to Canada in 1842. That is the John Dunlop that I am desc. from. happy hunting your Dunlop family Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.