I think the only likely explanation is that they were thickening knitted stockings ...presumably this would make them more wind and water resistant and therefore warmer. The KS minutes do give us interesting glimpses into the day to day living of our ancestors Irene > > Johne Smyth, James Hilhous and Rot Bountein being delate and > > sumondit for > > profaining the lords day by waking yr hose in the milne. Compeired > > confessing to the charges the sabboth said bein passed And the > > session > > finding them sensible of yr sine did rebuke them only judicially > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think the "waking" may refer to waulking a process of thickening cloth by soaking it. (see http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/index.html) It was done in a waulkmill and "milne" is another word for mill. Not so sure about the hose though. Usually refers to stockings! > Johne Smyth, James Hilhous and Rot Bountein being delate and > sumondit for > profaining the lords day by waking yr hose in the milne. Compeired > confessing to the charges the sabboth said bein passed And the > session > finding them sensible of yr sine did rebuke them only judicially And it is written in Scots a form of English and nothing to do with Gaelic which is a Celtic language. I love reading these minutes, Jim. Thanks so much! Kay

Deja vus! -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Loretta Layman Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:23 AM To: 'fabiochris'; 'Rootsweb Ayrshire' Subject: Re: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 61 Here are definitions from http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/index.html: 1. Delation means an accusation, informing against, or denouncement. 2. Variant spellings of the verb "walk" included "wak" or "wake" and definitions included: (1) to be or remain awake, esp. at or all night (2) to wake up or awaken from sleep (3) to keep watch over, guard 3. Hose means: (1) a stocking; or stockings of mail as part of a suit of armour (2) the sheath enclosing an ear of corn (3) the neck of a golf-club, where the head is fitted into the shaft With regard to "hose" definition (2), the dictionary also gives this example of usage from Ayr. (Aug.) 1802 Farmer's Mag. 390: "Opening the socket, or hose, as it is called, when the number of grains are all formed and just ready to appear." I wonder if it's possible the offense with which the men were accused was guarding their ripening corn instead of being in church. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of fabiochris Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:36 PM To: Rootsweb Ayrshire Subject: Re: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 61 Thanks for this Jim, it gives us a great window into the past and I am enjoying the challenge of trying to understand the language that my ancestors once spoke. Is it (the language) a mixture of Gaelic and English? And would my guessing below be close to the mark??? Delations Johne Smyth James Hilhous and Rot Buntein for profaining the sabboth for waking yr hose yt day Johne Smith, James Hilhous and Rot Buntein were Delated (no idea what that means!) for profaining the sabbath because they walked or wakened their horse that day.(????) Chris in New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@verizon.net> To: "Rootsweb Ayrshire" <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 6:25 AM Subject: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 61 > Page 83 > > Parents or masters And that the elders of the several quarters sould sie > it done. > > The qlk day Mathow Broun is nominat & appointed ruling elder to wait upon > the several meetings of the presbytrie until the nixt Synod. > > Delations > > George Whyt for drukennes > > Johne Smyth James Hilhous and Rot Buntein for profaining the sabboth for > waking yr hose yt day > > Rot Andrew for slandering his step son and his other faist's dochtir > saying that they wir his mothers deith > > November 10 1652 > > The qlk day Johne Baird called & compeired not is to be sumondit pro > tertio. > > George Whyt being delate and sumondit for drukennes being called & not > compeiring is to be sumondit pro secundo. > > Johne Smyth, James Hilhous and Rot Bountein being delate and sumondit for > profaining the lords day by waking yr hose in the milne. Compeired > confessing to the charges the sabboth said bein passed And the session > finding them sensible of yr sine did rebuke them only judicially > > Compeired Rot Andro for slandering of his stepson and his dochtir after > citation denyed the same, it is referred to further tryall. > > The qlk day the session takeing to consideration the petition of Nicol > Robeson for libertie to build ane citie house in the nook of the church > yaird nixt adjacent to his own dwelling house, and finding no prejudice to > the burial placis of the congregation did grant his petition upon the > lerints contenned in the case after specified > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.14.105/2562 - Release Date: 12/13/09 07:39:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: blaneadams11 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/369.1872/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Lisa, Jessie came to utah sometime after 1850, she died in warren utah. don't know the date. don't know about henry. I can't find any record of him in Utah. they are my 3x great grandparents..... Blane Adams Ogden Utah Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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Hi Jim, Yes, related to him. Or rather my son is related on his fathers side of family. My Mary Foulds married John Young. Mary was the daughter of Matthew Foulds and Mary Smith. She was a sibling to the Centenarian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@verizon.net> To: "Norma Roberts" <ngroberts@localnet.com> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [AYR] Fenwick Area Colonies? > Hi Norma, > Do I know of your Fowlds/Faulds/Foulds family? Are you related to the > Centenarian Weaver of Fenwick Mathew Fowlds 1806-1907? > Jim > Bundy > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Norma Roberts" <ngroberts@localnet.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:59 AM > To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [AYR] Fenwick Area Colonies? > >> Cherokee Co., Ks is the county south of Crawford Co. My Thompson from >> Scotland that married a Young from Ayrshire who was also a Foulds >> descendant >> came through Knox Co Illinois to Cherokee Co., Ks. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <ScotsCotNM@aol.com> >> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:13 AM >> Subject: [AYR] Fenwick Area Colonies? >> >> >>> Following up on my recent posting, I'm wondering what places folks on >>> the >>> list know of with concentrations of families from around >>> Fenwick/Kilmarnock/Stewarton? I know there were bunches of folks at >>> several sites in the >>> U.S. and New Zealand, and some to Australia... but would like to know >>> more. >>> >>> My list: >>> >>> Orleans County, VT (Towns: Craftsbury, Glover, Greensboro / Families >>> include: Sheilds, Calderwood, Mitchell, Borland) >>> >>> Saratoga & Fulton Counties, NY (Towns: Saratoga Springs, West Galway, >>> Perth / Families include: Calderwood, Wylie, Borland, etc.) >>> >>> Randolph County, IL (Towns: Sparta, Tilden, etc. / Families include: >>> Cuthbertson, Anderson, Gemmell, Watt, Wylie, Andrew, Faulds, Bicket, >>> Calderwood, >>> Wright, Dunlop, Nairn, Fulton.) >>> >>> Crawford County, KS (Towns: Girard, Pittsburg, Beulah -- most, but not >>> all, >>> of these were second generation families from Randolph County, IL) >>> >>> Others around the world??? >>> >>> Ken Cuthbertson >>> Albuquerque, NM >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: franravel Surnames: FRANRAVEL Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/481.482.483.488.507.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Good evening, It seems me that you have me sent a message through geneanet a few weeks ago about Sinniger Family.I have learnt that you were on the search of the origin of the name.So am I.I know also that your grandfather was Herbert Sinniger and the root of your familytree is joseph Sinniger born again 1820 in Alsace (France).I have several Sinniger in my research who was born in Sierentz (Alsace-Haut-Rhin) or Steinbourg(Alsace-Bas Rhin).But it is now impossible for me to bind in my familytree, but I hope to make new discovery later.I am sure that my ancesters come from Sierentz.I thing that we are probably cousin. I hope to speak about our origin with you. Best regard. François Xavier Sinniger Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Page 84 The tak the session sers to Nicoll Robeson anent the citie house to be builded followis Att kilmernock the second day of December the yeir of god Jayvit fyftie two years the qlk day anent the petition from in to the session of the kirk of kilmernock be Nicoll Robeson merchand yr Most smully desiring that the ministers wt consent of the heritors of the sd parish and permanent elders and deacons of the said session was grant him libertie of ane piece ground extending to ten foots of length and breadth or therby, albeit it be wtin the church yaird yet no wayes beseming ane parte for burial nor useful yrto qlk is right fore against the sd Nicoll Robesone ewad of his house gomsnor by Robert Patones Backstair as at length was consented in the said petition: qlk petition being well considered by the ministers heritors, elders & deacons of the said parochin they under subscribing wt on minde and consent by the tenour herof hob set in tak ane affedation to the said Nicoll Robesone his airs & executors the said piece of ground extending in bread and length to the ten foots everie way ovirlly anist the said Nicoll his house sydnad as find is due yt for as the dayes space and years of the said Nicoll his altyme and after his decese for all the years and space of two nyntein years successively after others fra his entrie therto qlk fix begn at whitsonday in etocome with power to build upon the said ground keeping Robert Patone his backstair free for his entrie to the back booth and loft And fra then foorth the edifice and building to be made be the sd Nicoll upon the sd verie ground shall be peace all bruiked by the said Nicoll and his foresaid during the whole space above written wtout contradiction to be holdin by him and his foresaid of the said kirk session & these successours for payment yearly to yr thesaurers present & to come therttein schillings Four pennies scots for the use of the poore wtin the sd parish at two termis Whitsonday and Mertimes by equall proportions beginning the first at Mertimes nixto come In witness whereof mefall present Ministers of the sd kirk Noblemen Barons gentrie and permanent elders and deacons of the said church session of kilmernock

Cherokee Co., Ks is the county south of Crawford Co. My Thompson from Scotland that married a Young from Ayrshire who was also a Foulds descendant came through Knox Co Illinois to Cherokee Co., Ks. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScotsCotNM@aol.com> To: <AYRSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:13 AM Subject: [AYR] Fenwick Area Colonies? > Following up on my recent posting, I'm wondering what places folks on the > list know of with concentrations of families from around > Fenwick/Kilmarnock/Stewarton? I know there were bunches of folks at > several sites in the > U.S. and New Zealand, and some to Australia... but would like to know > more. > > My list: > > Orleans County, VT (Towns: Craftsbury, Glover, Greensboro / Families > include: Sheilds, Calderwood, Mitchell, Borland) > > Saratoga & Fulton Counties, NY (Towns: Saratoga Springs, West Galway, > Perth / Families include: Calderwood, Wylie, Borland, etc.) > > Randolph County, IL (Towns: Sparta, Tilden, etc. / Families include: > Cuthbertson, Anderson, Gemmell, Watt, Wylie, Andrew, Faulds, Bicket, > Calderwood, > Wright, Dunlop, Nairn, Fulton.) > > Crawford County, KS (Towns: Girard, Pittsburg, Beulah -- most, but not > all, > of these were second generation families from Randolph County, IL) > > Others around the world??? > > Ken Cuthbertson > Albuquerque, NM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JamesECraig09 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6889.2.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John, Thanks for your reply. I would be glad to get your thoughts, memories etc recorded on the forum I set up, which, though quiet, could get fired into life by some items of real interest such as you likely have. Please visit: http://cambusdoon.proboards.com./index.cgi and join us there. Thanks, James. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johngordon64 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6889.2.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I did not get the original email that you sent so making contact again. Was day boy and boarder from 42 to 45 and lived at Prestwick. Agree about the pool with a terrible device to support you as you learnt to swim. Also there was an indoor rifle range alongside. Sad to view the grounds last year and what has happened John Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: martin1438 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1701.1699.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again E, Looking through my records last night I feel sure that you have put me on the right track and that our ggg grandfathers were brothers. You obviously have done a lot of research and I would be very grateful if you could give me more information regarding documentation. We holiday in the borders twice a year and are hoping to visit Mauchline and look for any remains of the family home. Regard Mrs P. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Mary, I have sent you a copy of the 1861 census to your email address. Carol > OOh wow - it ways that on the Quebec census for 1861 there's a John > Morrison born Scotland 1795. > > I THINK he may have a son or grandson John Young Morrison aged 4 > (which was my man's full name when he was baptized in 1795). > > Please does anyone have access to the 1861 for Quebec? > > Thanks for any guides to searching. > > Best wishes, > Mary _________________________________________________________________

Could they have gone to the hot spas at Bath to help with the pregenancy and got married at Britol on the way. What location were they married in? And does that help to "sort" out the reason why? Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuala Cockburn" <nualacockburn@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: [AYR] Never give up hope > For about 15 years I have been searching for the marriage of my husband's > gggrandparents who were both born, worked and died in the Kilwinning, > Stevenston and Dalry areas 1790's to 1870's. I had eventually come to the > conclusion that like many others they didn't actually have a church > wedding. > > The other week I was idly putting names into the new LDS pilot site when > to > my amazement a marriage was shown for Hugh Manners in Clifton, Bristol in > 1828 which is exactly when I expected it. I now have copies of both the > marriage and the Licence granted two days earlier. > > The mystery is why in the age before the railway were the two of them down > in Bristol just to get married and back in Dalry two months later when > their > first child was born. I could understand them getting married a bit away > from home but hundreds of miles seems a bit extreme. Whatever the reason > I > am very happy and know never to stop searching. > > Nuala > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: martin1438 Surnames: McGavin Murdoch. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1701.1699.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks E, That is very exciting. Can you point me in the right direction to find any documentation showing that they were brothers and that their parents were John and Mary Murdoch. With regards. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Nuala -That's good news - I have at least one similar brick wall. What does the new pilot site do that the other didn't? It seems to take a longer while to load. OOh wow - it ways that on the Quebec census for 1861 there's a John Morrison born Scotland 1795. I THINK he may have a son or grandson John Young Morrison aged 4 (which was my man's full name when he was baptized in 1795). Please does anyone have access to the 1861 for Quebec? Thanks for any guides to searching. Best wishes, Mary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: archibald139 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1701.1699.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My GGG Grandfather William McGavin Blacksmith, Haugh, Mauchline B 1782 had a brother James B 1770. James was the eldest son which would tie in with your ancestor James. Their parents were John McGavin B 1742 and Mary Murdoch. Regards E Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Mary, Would this be your John Morrison? 1861 Census of Canada Name: John Morrison Gender: Male Age: 66 Birth Year: 1795 Birthplace: Scotland Marital Status: Married Home in 1861: Pontiac, Canada East Religion: F. C Household Members: Name Age John Morrison 66 regards, Marie http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~balmer04/index.htm Subject: Re: [AYR] Never give up hope - John Young Morrison _________________________________________________________________

Hello all, I am new to this list and would like to post my names of interest in this area. JAMIESON/PETTIGREW I have Barr JAMIESON born 1798 at Chappelton, Kilburnie, Ayre and Ann PETTIGREW born 1801 in Beith, they married July 1819 and with their six children came to New Zealand aboard the ship "Duchess of Argyle" in 1842. Would like to hear from others with these connections Regards Fay Dobos NZ

Not very likely Mike - he was a domestic servant, later butler to Colonel Blair of Blair and in those days (1828) the best they could hope for was the village midwife. They were married in the Church of England Parish Church in Clifton by licence which stated they had both been there at least 15 days, so obviously wanted a proper church wedding even though both were Church of Scotland for everything except this marriage. It is I suppose conceivable that the Colonel had gone there and took his household with him - I know he did when going to his Edinburgh house. Nuala ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: "Nuala Cockburn" <nualacockburn@blueyonder.co.uk>; <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [AYR] Never give up hope > Could they have gone to the hot spas at Bath to help with the pregenancy > and got married at Britol on the way. > > What location were they married in? And does that help to "sort" out the > reason why? > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane