Hi Ray. I've mentioned this a time or two, but it bears repeating, especially with your request. The very best online Scots dictionary is: http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/index.html As described at the main page, the database "comprises electronic editions of the two major historical dictionaries of the Scots language: the 12-volume Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue (DOST) and the 10-volume Scottish National Dictionary (SND). DOST contains information about Scots words in use from the twelfth to the end of the seventeenth centuries (Older Scots); and SND contains information about Scots words in use from 1700 to the 1970s (modern Scots). Together these 22 volumes provide a comprehensive history of Scots, and a New Supplement now (2005) brings the record of the language up to date. These are therefore essential research tools for anyone interested in the history of either Scots or English language, and for historical or literary scholars whose sources are written in Scots or may contain Scots usages." Here's an online general guide to Scots pronunciation: http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/songs/scots/01-language.html I also found a page with these few general guidelines: SOUND/WORD PRONUNCIATION ch This is an aspirated k sound as in the German ach. Gaelic This celtic language spoken in Scotland (Gàidhlig) has a whole range of sounds that can be learned only by hearing them. glottal stop In some areas of Scotland (e.g. Glasgow), the final t of a word is not pronounced. Instead the throat is closed to cut the word off. Thus bit might sound more like bih (with a short and truncated vowel), or water as wa-er. Milngavie A town near Glasgow whose pronunciation is commonly used to confuse visitors (Mil-guy or Mul-guy). -ing The final g is often elided (e.g. walking sounds like walkin). qu This is silent in some proper names (e.g. Colquhoun = Co-hoon). stress The pattern of stress is usually that of English, but in some proper names the last syllable is stressed (e.g. Dun-bar, Dun-lop). r This is rolled on the tongue. z This is silent in some proper names (e.g. Culzean = Cul-ain, Dalziel = Dee-el, Menzies = Ming-is). Several years ago, I designed a "Scots Glossary" game for a family reunion, and it went over extremely well. I'd be more than happy to send you my game in a text file. If you like it, all you'd need to do is find the correct pronunciations. I know you'll have great fun with your reunion! Regards, Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Pearse Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:23 AM To: Ayrshire-L@rootsweb.co Subject: [AYR] Scottish pronunciation Can anyone tell me if there is a site or even a book on pronunciation. We are having a Family Reunion & would like to have a contest on meaning & pronunciation. All our Scottish born relatives are gone & only us Canadians are left & for some unknown reason very few of us picked up the Scottish tongue & now are sorry. Elizabeth in Canada -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4156 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Can anyone tell me if there is a site or even a book on pronunciation. We are having a Family Reunion & would like to have a contest on meaning & pronunciation. All our Scottish born relatives are gone & only us Canadians are left & for some unknown reason very few of us picked up the Scottish tongue & now are sorry. Elizabeth in Canada -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4156 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message
Is anyone able to confirm Elizabeth RONALD m James WHITEFORD 20 February 1818 Beith. I have found the marriage record but my reason for asking is this... .... if it was Elizabeth DONALD who married James Whiteford it would fit my tree perfectly. All the children fit the naming pattern, first child was born Lochwinnoch, the home parish of Elizabeth's father, the mother was from Dalry... and the sister of Elizabeth married John Whiteford in Beith... I am so hoping RONALD is a transcription error. I probably need to view the films of the original OPR's but am hoping Ronald family connections may be able to confirm if Elizabeth Ronald fits their tree. Many thanks Nyle
Thought I should comment on this. There are several instances in my family where there are births spread out over a long period of time - for instance one Blain household where the parents were married in 1812, and children born from then on until the last in 1837. Twenty-four years is quite possible. depending on the mother's age at the first birth. Or of course if the father married twice it could be longer.. James Adam in Kilmarnock had children from two marriages, born from 1715 to 1747. So, don't throw out possible connections too early... :) (Should that date of death have read 1807?) Jenny >Message Board Post: > >Hi Lynne >Thanks for your note. >JJ Ronald was born circa 1765/66, died at age 41 in 1892, so it >seems doubtful that Claude could be his brother if born at 1790.
I have quite a bit of information about the descendents from the marriage of Claude Ronald to Mary Jamieson, if that will help anyone. Debbie
Hi Arlene where did you get this document ? that may help decide which church it was. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene Hetchler" <ahetch@yahoo.com> To: <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: [AYR] CONNOR/CONNER Hello listers, I found that my ancestor, John Conner, was born in Stair, Ayr, Scotland in 1800. The document is very unclear due to age. The word that stumps me is the location of the baptism, it looks something like Drandar or Orandar. The baptism was by Doctor Shaw. Was this the Presbyterian church? Any help will be very appreciated. Arlene Hetchler ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: clairecomrie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/635.653.3.4.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jonn Thanks for all that information, it is much appreciated (I have just been flat out and haven't had a chance to have a good look at it, but I will this weekend). They do appear to be my ancestors and I'm incredibly thrilled that I might be able to trace it another generation back! Kind Regards Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Patriciajones105 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13668.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary Milligan who was a servant at Ladyton House was born in Feb 1861 in Mauchline to parents Joseph Milligan and Margaret (nee Bone). I am related to Mary's brother Benjamin who emigrated to Australia in 1879. Trish Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JennyMyers61 Surnames: MILLIGAN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13668.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Trish, Do you have a birth date and parentage for Mary MILLIGAN? I am connected to a line of MILLIGANs from New Cumnock, Muirkirk, Dumfries and Wigtownshire. Connecting marriages - Park, Gemmell, Hillhouse, Cairney, Frier. Occupations were carriers/carters and wood merchants. Regards Jenny Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jecroft Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13825.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No definite info on the father. There is a Hugh Simpson, age 30 living at Woodside in West Kilbride in the 1841 cenus. http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: phyltrick Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13824.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Lynne Thanks for your note. JJ Ronald was born circa 1765/66, died at age 41 in 1892, so it seems doubtful that Claude could be his brother if born at 1790. The Old Parish Records are so patchy that it is hard to map the genealogy at that era. Phyllis Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jonndean Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/635.653.3.4.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Claire, I notice you have not answered my last post, is this perhaps because you do not think the information i supplied is your family. Just to point out some other information, that should confirm that the information i provided is your family. The Stephen Branan, the son of Michael, and Agnes Thomson, gets married 20/March/1863, Kilmarnock, Ayr, to a Mary Roseweir, ( now there is a very rare surname ) his parents on the marriage certificate are Michael Branan, and Agnes Thomson, and a witness at the marriage was a George Garven. I am using the spelling for the surname as Branan, simply because thats whats on the census i provided, but in actuall fact you will find lots of variations, of the name on other documents, for the same people, Stephen, for example signs his marriage certificate with a X. which means he cannot read or write, not uncommon, at this period. Regards, Jonn. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tandymw_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13825.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks Jo-anne - i cant believe i didnt have Margaret listed as the mother - i had Hugh jnrs marriage to Janet McFie so i should have seen the rest of the info. Margaret was a busy lady, Mary Edgar was also her child do you have any information on who the father, Hugh Simpson, might be - tandy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
The William Boyd of Dundonald - from the website - COULD HAVE these 15 children, all born or Baptised in Dundonald The children of William Boyd and unknown wife:- 1. Janet Boyd, Bapt 3 Apr 1709; died before 1720 (see #4); 2. John Boyd, Bapt 1 July 1711; died before 1721 (see #7); 3. William Boyd, Bapt May 1714, died before 1726 (see #10); 4. Janet Boyd, Bapt 4 June 1719, 5. Elizabeth Boyd, Bapt 25 May 1719; 6. Agnes Boyd, Bapt 20 Nov 1720, died before 1726 (see #9); 7. John Boyd, b 24 apr 1721; 8. Joseph Bapt 15 Nov 1724, died before 1729 (see #11); 9 Agnes Boyd, b 12 Feb 1726; 10. William Boyd, Bapt 2 May 1726; 11. Joseph Boyd, bc 1729; 12. Jean Boyd, Bapt 4 May 1729; 13. male Boyd, Bapt 16 Aug 1730; 14. Adam Boyd, b 12 Nov 1732; 15. Margaret Boyd, Bapt 8 Jan 1739. Note the gaps between # 2 & 3 and # 3 & 4, so more children coul dhave bene form to this William Boyd of Dundonald. All these come from IGI Batch 7101817, so it would appear that some has linked them together. Mike Boyd Historical committee, HBS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Boyd McLachlan" <confido@gmail.com> To: "Boyd List" <Boyd@rootsweb.com>; "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> Cc: <jhste@talktalk.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: James Stewart Boyd of Kilmarnock and Beyond > Dear Mike: > > Could anyone verify this latter section if possible and could the > William Boyd they are referring to be William Boyd the Earl of > Kilmarnock who was beheaded in the Tower of London in 1746. NO > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.boyd/6664/mb.ashx > > Yours Aye, > > Lauren
With forenames of Claude Alexander, I suggest you look at connection with Catrine cotton mill of Claude Alexander....Heather
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: landbturner1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13824.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think William Ronald born in 1814 and died in 1856 was the nephew of John James Ronald. Providing That J J Ronald's brother was Claude Alexander Ronald b 1790 - 1870. Lynne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: landbturner1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13824.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I can tell you that. It actually comes from the Clan Ranald whose ancesters were Lord of the isles but even they have to have come from even further north. I found out that a lot of them married lassies from Orkney in St Orla in Kirwall. So if you went back centuries it has to have come from Norway. In Gaelic it is "Raonull" and from the Old Norse it is "Rognvaldr". (put two dots above the 'o'). So it should be pronounced - Royn-val-da. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gilliesink Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13958.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Which area did your John Wilson come from? Regards Kit Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
Hello listers, I found that my ancestor, John Conner, was born in Stair, Ayr, Scotland in 1800. The document is very unclear due to age. The word that stumps me is the location of the baptism, it looks something like Drandar or Orandar. The baptism was by Doctor Shaw. Was this the Presbyterian church? Any help will be very appreciated. Arlene Hetchler