This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shirleyk58 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/193.218.1893.3289.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, we have a William Rodger born Scotland. father Thomas and Mother Ann Bain, Shirley Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jonespa100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/5759.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi David Spotted your post back in 2004 about Caradus and Carruthers. I have been searching for Caradus in Scotland and no joy. But followed your thoughts and downloaded the baptism of Mary Ann which had parents Thomas Carrathers and Jane Grierson. Also a Bell death on NZ BDM and need to verify tthe parents and location had 2 entries. 1851/13 James Carowther Bell 1852/16 James Caruthers Bell Also there was a John and James on the Bell family tree bboth died 1850/1851 no other details Interested in sharing info if possible Thanks Paul Jones Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Trolling  my  records  of  decades,  found  birth  of  a Thomas to James  BROWN  and  Jannet  MONTGOMERIE  1716  at  Fenwick.  Does  anyone  know  more  about  this  family,  especially  any  descendants  of  Thomas? My  grgrgrgrandfather James  BROWN  b  c1780  m  Elizabeth  MACFARLANE dau  of  John. I  suspect  James  to  be  s  of Thomas  BROWN  a  cooper  ..later  merchant...in  Stewarton,and  Jean  MONTGOMERIE. As  the  sons of  James  and  Elizabeth  were  consecutively  Thomas.....James.....John,  and  allowing  for  James    pushing  his  own  name  one  up  the  ladder,  it  seems  to  me  that  the  Thomas  b  1716  above  could  be  father  of  Thomas  the  cooper. Any  replies  warmly  welcomed...Heather  in  sunny  Dunedin    

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mwood10513 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1646.1994.2001/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am a descendant of John Brown, my grandmother, born in Ohio, told me the story of the monument. I wonder if it still exists, and exactly where it is located. Any help will be appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PamelaJane12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/4625.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello there, I know it's been some time since you posted this message. However I too am looking for someone who worked in this hospital and am finding it difficult to obtain any information. I wondered if you ever got anywhere with this? Kind regards, Pam Hudson. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ChrisGoldstraw77 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13958.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Do you have any info on who John's siblings were. I have a George Wilson from Dundonald married my Jane Campbell in 1849. They moved to Liverpool as George was a Marine Engineer. Chris Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jogriffiths33 Surnames: Lammie or Lambie Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13961/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have little to go on except that he was soldier and died in 1919. His son my father (Frederick Stephen) was born in Dover when the soldiers 'passed through,' so parents were never married. We were told that he came from Ayr, may have been well to do and liked painting. Its possible that my father has one of his Christian names, but that's a guess. He might have been a Lambie. Would be really grateful if anyone has a remote link please. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sharonbutler76 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13958.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: He was born in Dundonald, Ayrshire. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I looked online, Latin to English translation: Baynous tabis means "melting away". Meg

Good Morning Did any of your Parker's farther back, come from Wigtownshire? Elizabeth in Canada -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4159 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bparker5155 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/4425.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My parents lived and died in Kilamrnock. My father was Andrew, his brothers were John, Robert,James and Adam. Sisters were Ruth and Mary. There are others, I would have to obtain this from my sister. They all died in the 1970s.approx. I can go back further if I'm on the right track. Grandfather was also Robert. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bparker5155 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/4425.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My parents lived and died in Kilamrnock. My father was Andrew, his brothers were John, Robert and Adam. Sisters were Ruth and Mary. There are others, I would have to obtain this from my sister. They all died in the 1970s.approx. I can go back further if I'm on the right track. Grandfather was also Robert. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hayday77 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13314.3.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes. I am coming to Scotland! In May and will be staying in Annbank. Can you email me at cook.dalef@gmail.com? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tullymurrayblairs Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6359.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I came accross your message board in regards John Parkinson by chance. I am a 5th cousin twice removed of John Parkinson, the Islamic poet and writer (my G. Grandmother was a Parkinson) Phil Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: milestones2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13314.3.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Is that you Dale??!! Hazel Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Interesting - 'dentes' to me would imply teeth - there are various plants that have the name of these. I don't have a Scots pharmacopia but will see if I can find anything anywhere. But it's interesting to me that the 'sine' of her seems to me more fornication than 'putting back' the child - a reversal of later ideas. Thanks for this! Jenny At 18:18 -0400 21/3/10, John Humphrey wrote: >Hi Jim, > >It certainly sounds as if Marian Neill tried to abort her child, though >I can't guess what the "dentes" were that she swallowed - some kind of >herb, potion or drink? > >As for "Johne Smith had no base met" is she or the session perhaps >saying that he had no "base" intention - i.e. wasn't part of the >abortion scheme? > >As for the next phrase, it may be that the session finds her sin >"heinous" and "tables" her punishment for further consideration? > >Having seen a couple of samples of the writing you're dealing with, Jim, >it's wonderful how you manage to pick the sense out of it all. > >Best regards > >John > > > >Jim Bundy wrote: >> Hi Listers, >> >> I have a question re this page: >> >> Am I correct in thinking that Maren was trying to abort the chyld? >>And that "Baynous tabis" was a kind of Latin legal term for this >>offence? >> >> Jim Bundy >> >> >> >> >> Maren Neill being delate & sumondit for fornicaon wt Johne Smyth >>compeired confessing that she was wt chyld to the sd Johne Smyth >>And that she took some dentes to put back the child, bot yt Johne >>Smith had no base met, the session finding her sine Baynous tabis >>her censure to consideration In the meantime recommend her to >>diverse elders to be spoken to effectually for being ing of hir to >>the sense of hir sine >> >> Johne Smith sumondit for foron wt Mare(n) Neill compeired and >>confessing is ordained to acknl his sine in the publick place >>according to order, bot befoir to be conferred wt by elders for >>convinceing him of his sine > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- World's winds bending trees; Breaths of all those who have lived flow now on the wind. http://wyrdswell.co.uk/ancestors

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ericmatthewsmith Surnames: Mackie Bain Walker Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/3553.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Greg, I connect to the Mackie's of Kilbirnie. Andrew Mackie (b1821) married Mary Walker (b1823). Their son was David Mackie (b1847) who married Agnes McFee (b1852). Their son was Andrew Mackie (b1873) who married Jeanie Bain (b1873). Their son was William Bain Mackie (b1899) and that's my Great-Grandfather on my Mom's side. I have photos of Andrew Mackie (b1873) in Kilbirnie c.1950s. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/16460407/person/378108487?pg=32801 (not sure if that link will take you there or not.) I'd love any photos or stories you might have. I'm very interested in this time period in Kilbirnie. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: amcgrath0408 Surnames: Ross McHutcheon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13960/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for some information in either the McHutcheon or Ross families of which were joined in marriage in nov 1834 in Kirkoswald / Maybole / Ayrshire. John McHutcheon and Helen Ross married in Kirkoswald in Nov. 1834. I cannot find any other information on these people after their marriage or where they lived or their children. It is possible that they are my great great great grandparents, as my GG Grandfather John McHutcheon's parents were John ( a farmer) and Ellen. my GG Grandfather was born in 1836. but cannot find a birth record for him. can anyone help? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

A big thank you to every one who sent information on Scottish pronunciation. As a Canadian born child to Scottish parents I did speak with a scottish accent, but lost it all when I started school. Elizabeth in Canada -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4159 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

You're very welcome Jim. A fresh look after setting a thing aside for awhile is often very helpful to me as well. Anyway, just for the heck of it, I did a simple Google search for "baynous" and got a number of interesting results (other than results for "Bay Nous" - whatever that is). They are very interesting but do not resolve the question. In each case, it appears the word was actually "haynous" in the text and was misread somewhere in the transition to internet searches. I seem to remember reading that Secretary Hand evolved over time and on occasion was mixed with ordinary handwriting. I wonder if something of that nature has happened here. In the minutes, how does the letter "h" appear in words which are unmistakably identifiable? For your interest, here are three contexts in which "baynous" (haynous) is found. "... determined to follow hyr aduise in the execution of so baynous an acte" from Shakespeare's "MacBeth" "... lett mee have the just Rewarde ffor this my baynous Cryme ..." From "Notes and Queries," 8th Series, 4th Volume (1893) "... it did baynous violence On that fayre ymage ..." from Spenser's "Faerie Queene" (1758) "... most detestable, horrid, baynous, and abominable ..." from Corbett's "Complete Collection of State Trials, etc." Vol. VI (1811) In each case, it seems the letter "h" was just a little less open on the bottom than the "h" in adjacent words. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bundy Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:08 PM To: 'Rootsweb Ayrshire' Subject: Re: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 65 Hi Loretta and John, I appreciate both your thoughts on this. John, I really tried to fit what what I was seeing could have been "Haynous" and that would make sense, but in looking at a website re Secretary Hand formation of the letters, I just can't see it. Of course, he may have just misspelled it. Or something Latin, which is beyond me. Re "base met", you interpretation of "base intention" also makes sense (whether or not he had no base intentions :) Some days I just have to go through it as best I can, and then pick it up the next day and view it fresh. That often helps. Loretta, your interpretation certainly makes sense also. Having read a lot in different histories, I know that women have tried all kinds of dangerous substances to terminate a pregnancy in the past, often with tragic results. I'll be interested to see if there's any follow-up in this case before the Kirk Session. Thanks to both of you for your help Jim -------------------------------------------------- From: "Loretta Layman" <lynneage@h-o-l.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:06 PM To: "'Jim Bundy'" <jbundy48@verizon.net>; "'Rootsweb Ayrshire'" <ayrshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 65 > Hi Jim. It sounds that way to me. The closest word to "dentes" in the > Scots Dictionary is "dent," which means either "a mouldy smell" or "tough > clay or soft claystone." I don't think Maren ate dirt exactly, but the > dictionary also says "dent" originated with an English word which meant > "sooty coal." If the toxicity of inhaled coal dust was known in 1653, I > wonder if Maren was hoping that ingesting it would be toxic to the child. > Being carbon, coal would probably be inert if ingested, but desperate > people > sometimes grasp at straws. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jim Bundy > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 4:29 PM > To: Rootsweb Ayrshire > Subject: [AYR] Kilmarnock Kirk Session Minutes, note 65 > > Hi Listers, > > I have a question re this page: > > Am I correct in thinking that Maren was trying to abort the chyld? And > that > "Baynous tabis" was a kind of Latin legal term for this offence? > > Jim Bundy > > > ... Maren Neill being delate & sumondit for fornicaon wt Johne Smyth > compeired confessing that she was wt chyld to the sd Johne Smyth And that > she took some dentes to put back the child, bot yt Johne Smith had no base > met, the session finding her sine Baynous tabis her censure to > consideration > In the meantime recommend her to diverse elders to be spoken to > effectually > for being ing of hir to the sense of hir sine > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message