Hi Listers, Well, this guys writing style was quite good, and he used lots of ink, but he wrote so tiny that I broke down today and bought a magnifier with wire stand to get a size I could really see. It did help, although there's still a few words I had to take a chance with. BTW, what is a "chappnes of eale(ale?)"? Jim Bundy Page 93 To the dative the witneses depones that the said James and Jonate did lye in a bed together in the nygt tyme till some of the witneses raised them and the session finding no more bot these presumptions of fornication James Brown having purged himself by oath did ordain them to stand in the publick place for ther scandalous behaviour which he did and Jonate Hall fled the paroch The whilk day Hew Kirkwoode being somoned before for striking and abuseing his wife confessed the same was sharply rebucked before the session and he did bind himself never to doe the lyk again under the greaves sensued the session should inflict upon him Delations Hew Browne for drunknes. Jonate Findlay for drunknes. Andro Moore for fornication with Margaret Hemphill before ther mariadge Session Decemb 15 1653 The whilk day compeared Agnes Dickie who yet deneyed drunknes of which she was accused before bold being referred to probation the witnesses did depone that she was drunk the session ordains her to acknowledge hir sin in the publick place which she did The whilk day Jonate Findlay being somoned for drunknes compeared as also for presumptions of fornication with ane Inglishman compeared confessing that she did drink some chappnes of eale is so healed and bunte ane house upon the Saturday at night with the said Inglishman as also that she went to Gleascow with him bot deneyed fornication and drunknes the witneses being examined did depon they knew hir to be drunk in the company of the said Inglishman George Beddinsowme the session proposing to try the bussines verie accurately she leaves the towne and mareyed the Inglishman being under processe The whilk day Andro Moore being somoned as suspect of fornication before his mariadge compeared not and is ordained to be somoned pro 2do The whilk day Hew Browne messenger being somoned for drunknes compeared not is ordained to be somoned pro secundo Delations Thomas Hay for drunknes Rot Steel for slandering at Johne Hamltowne for striking of his father and fearfull implecations Session Januar 2 1654 The whilk Hew Browne messenger being somoned for drunknes compeared confessing the same that he had drunknes agravyted which he made him so walt as to strick all that came in his gate promising unto all that he should not doe the in tyme comeing and if he should fall in that or the lyke transgression in tyme comeing he should willingly subject himself to the highest censure of the kirk and the session being desirous to ghime him he was only rebuiked at this tyme this being his first fault for which he was brought in publick

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tuddj25 Surnames: Gilmore Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/180.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for the information. It seems I have the wrong parents for my James then. All I know for sure from his death certificate says that he was born 1837 in Scotland and his father's name is also James. It has the mother as " " Waterfall so I wasn't sure if that was a mistake. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: laurencemclaren Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Mary The middle section of your message is correct re Clark's but the rest isn't connected to my Templetons. thanks for your reply Laurie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: laurencemclaren Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I haven't done a great deal of research on Hugh Clarks family except to confirm that Hugh and janet were his parents, my main research was on the Templeton side, William Templeton was born 1740, Kilmaurs, Ayrshire, on the 27/7/1765 he married Agnes Fergusson in Kilmaurs. William and Agnes had four children, Hugh born 9/7/1766 who died shortly after his birth. Mary born 30/10/1768, Hugh born 2/10/1770 and William born 1772. William Templeton was born 1772 in Stevenston, Ayrshire, at that time most of the small houses and cottages in the Ayr district had a Hand Loom Weaving machine so the man of the house could earn a living and as William grew up this became his work, Williams first wife was Margaret Dunlop, daughter of William Dunlop and Margaret Robertson, Margaret was born 13th December 1772 in Kilmarnock, the records show that on the 24th June 1793 William Templeton and Margaret Dunlop both in this parish after careful proclamation received extract for marriage, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. Their son William was born 1798 and their daughter Mary was born 1800 in Kilmarnock, Margaret died 24/10/1806 and William remarried and moved his family to Cumbrae. I have the Templeton family right up to date, also I was able to obtain some information about Hugh and Mary, where they lived and in NZ, what I couldn't find was the date and ship they sailed on and date landed in NZ, any thing you can tell me would be great. If you want information of the Templetons please let me know, look forward to hearing from you. laurie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GDNiven Surnames: Gilmour Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/180.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Shawn James Gilmour, son of James Gilmour & Ann Niven was born 29/11/1838 and married Grace Wallace 3/9/1867 at Balgown, parish of Kirkcolm. They had six of a family from 1867 to 1874 all born in the Parish of Kirkoswald. Gordon Niven Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaryPaton94 Surnames: TEMPLETON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I think this below is your family in 1841. I've chopped it to fit so all were born outside the census county except the four youngest. Margaret appears to be 10 but I think it could be a mis-transcription. >From this I would deduce that this is probably Mary's birth - a "double Templeton"!I suggest finding her birth in 1801 Scotlandspeople so as to discover more about her parents. MARY TEMPLETON Christening: 28 MAR 1801 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Father: WILLIAM TEMPLETON Mother: MARGARET TEMPLETON C115734 1778 - 1820 1041283 Film 6902206 The family at the bottom might be her parents but I don't know. What do you think? Piece: SCT1841/552 Place: Great Cumbrae -Bute Enumeration District: 1 Civil Parish: Cumbrae Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 2 Page: 14 Address: Millport Cardiff Street CLARK Hugh M 40 Shoe Maker Outside Census County CLARK Mary F 40 Outside Census County CLARK John M 18 Shoemaker Apprentice Outside CLARK Hugh M 16 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Ap CLARK Margaret F 10 Outside Census County CLARK William M 12 Bute CLARK James M 9 Bute CLARK George M 7 Bute CLARK Alexander M 5 Bute SMITH William M 22 Shoemaker Journeyman Bute Piece: SCT1841/597 Place: Kilmarnock -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 30 Civil Parish: Kilmarnock Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Kilmarnock Folio: 18 Page: 18 TEMPLETON William M 65 Jnyman Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Ayrshire TEMPLETON Marget F 75 Pirn Winder Outside County WEBSTER - (Mrs) F 25 Hand Sewer Ayrshire WEBSTER William M 9 Ayrshire WEBSTER Margt F 7 Ayrshire WEBSTER David M 5 Ayrshire WEBSTER Jean F 2 Ayrshire Cheers, Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ladybuggz Surnames: Hyslop, McClure Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/509.1082/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Karen, I don't think we've met before, but if we have, I apologize for repeating myself! I'm answering a post you put up, asking if any people had these certain names in their family...Hyslop, Thorton, McBride and McClure from Ayrshire..... Well, I have 2 of the 4, Hyslop and McClure.....from Ayrshire. My Grandmothers Father was John Hyslop born 1838,in Kirkmichael, Ayrshire. His wife was Catherine McClure born 1837, in Maybole Ayrshire. They married in May 27-1859 in Kirkmichael, Ayrshire. They lived at house #15 in the Village of Wallacetown, Ayrshire. If this sounds like who you are looking for, don't hesitate to contact me! tlasman@shaw.ca Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: grandad_cole Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13757.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have just Read your messages concerning the Clark family I am a decendant of Hugh and Mary who came to NZ 1860 &1862 her death certificate names her father William Templeton (weaver) and mother Margaret nee Dunlop. We have quite a full record of their decendants but have not been able to go any further back.Also have not been able to confirm that Hugh Clark and Janet Lindsay Are his parents.Would be interested to hear from you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tuddj25 Surnames: Gilmore/Niven Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/180.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm trying to find out if my James Gilmore is the son of James and Ann Niven. My James came to the United States about 1851 and lived in Pennsylvannia intill about 1870 and then moved to Michigan. He married Ann Charlton who was from England. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tuddj25 Surnames: Gilmore/Niven Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/515.561.3726.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you know any more on James Gilmore and Ann Niven? Did they have a son James who went to the U.S. around 1851 to Pennsylvannia. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tuddj25 Surnames: Gilmore Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/52.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think that I have traced my Gilmore family back to James Gilmore b. 29 Nov. 1838 Kirkoswald, Ayrshire, Scotland. His parents were James and Ann Niven. James left for Pennsylvannia around 1851. Then in 1870 he was living in Michigan. I believe he was in Carbon, PA when living there. If you have any more info would you please contact me. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Greetings, I'm putting this out in case anyone has any good ideas for another place to look. John Calderwood and Jean Bicket were married at Fenwick in 1832 and came to the U.S. (West Galway, NY) immediately thereafter. John died in Scot County, Iowa, in 1886 "in his 89th year". That much we know. We do not know his birth date. We do not know his parents names. We do not know if he was actually born at Fenwick or moved there from a neighboring parish sometime earlier. I've checked all the old parish registers and other church records I can find. Nothing. I've checked with Scott County, Iowa, and the State of Iowa. No death certificate. There were other Calderwoods from Fenwick who settled at West Galway, but no record shows any mention of how they might have been related. (I've found enough to know they would be cousins at most, because there was a John Calderwood in the other family.) I found a brief death notice, but it gives no indication of John's origins. I've corresponded with Scottish descendants of the most likely family of origin from Fenwick -- the Calderwoods who lived at Blackbyre -- and they agree he "might" be from their line, but no proof. I don't know any direct male descendants of the Blackbyre group, so there doesn't seem to be the DNA option. (The Blackbyre Calderwoods seem to have originated from a Calderwood family at Magbiehill in Stewarton, mid-18th century.) The only indication we have is the naming pattern, which indicates John's parents' names were probably James & Margaret, which would fit the Blackbyre group. The naming pattern fits on the maternal side of the equation (i.e. Jean Bicket's side), and their third son was named John, so it seems they did use the traditional pattern. Does anyone see any options I've missed? Anyone with any connections to the Blackbyre and/or West Galway Calderwoods have any additional clues that might help? Ken Cuthbertson Albuquerque, NM

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: khowie2 Surnames: Howie, MacDonald Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13985/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I am currently researching the Howie's from Scotland. The only information I have is for a David Howie who was born in England about 1899. There could be a chance he was born in Scotland as well. I believe his father was John Howie. Davie lived in Glasgow Scotland in the 1920's If I have the correct David Howie he was a clerk at lived at Myrtle Cottage - Gartocher Road Springboig Glasgow. This was taken from a passenger list. He married a Violet Stewart MacDonald (father John Macdonald). I believe David has a brother named James B. Howie who was a oil refinery manager and lived in Ayr, Ayrshire Scotland. Violet may have had a brother Colin MacDonald who was a sales manager is Duneee Scotland. Violet was born in Westport Ireland in 1901. David and Violet left Scotland and lived in Everett Massachusetts. They had a son James Colin Howie born on 10-6-1927. I am not sure when David and Violet left the USA nor when David died. I know Violet died in 1972 in Readin! g England. Her last known address was 8 Alexandria Road, Reading Berkshire England. Violet's father lived at 33 Nithsdale Road Strathbungo Scotland in August of 1924. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: khowie2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13984/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I am currently researching the Howie's from Scotland. The only information I have is for a David Howie who was born in England about 1899. There could be a chance he was born in Scotland as well. I believe his father was John Howie. Davie lived in Glasgow Scotland in the 1920's If I have the correct David Howie he was a clerk at lived at Myrtle Cottage - Gartocher Road Springboig Glasgow. This was taken from a passenger list. He married a Violet Stewart MacDonald (father John Macdonald). I believe David has a brother named James B. Howie who was a oil refinery manager and lived in Ayr, Ayrshire Scotland. Violet may have had a brother Colin MacDonald who was a sales manager is Duneee Scotland. Violet was born in Westport Ireland in 1901. David and Violet left Scotland and lived in Everett Massachusetts. They had a son James Colin Howie born on 10-6-1927. I am not sure when David and Violet left the USA nor when David died. I know Violet died in 1972 in Readin! g England. Her last known address was 8 Alexandria Road, Reading Berkshire England. Violet's father lived at 33 Nithsdale Road Strathbungo Scotland in August of 1924. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: peaches4tea Surnames: Galt, Arbuckle, McCaulson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13983/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for info on my grt grt grandmother Agne Galt b.1847 d.1918. She married Thomas Arbuckle but had 3 illegitimate children...James, Thomas and Margaret before she married him. I would be grateful if anyone had any info on the 3 children as Margaret disappears, leaving her daughter in Agnes' care and I cannot find any death cert for Thomas and James. They also used the name Arbuckle and MCaulson. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

John cook and Elspa mckinnin married 1788 Kilmory Bute I am looking for the names of their children and any information on same\ have only found Mary Cook born 1800 nr Blackwaterfoot shiskine and William ??? 1805 Dringhinan mother Elizabeth McKenan - a possible son quite a gap between 1788 and 1805 many thanks Lorette

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lynnffowler Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13357.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you are still on here, I have info on Agnes Findlay Arbuckle - Lynn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lynnffowler Surnames: arbuckle Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/4679.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't know if you are still online but I have a litte info on some of the Arbuckle family from that era. Contact me if you are still online Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lorraineagnew Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13982.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary, I don't have a Janet Gray that fits your timeframe. These Grays had been in Kirkoswald since at least 1671. Thanks for your inf tho. My main interest is the AGNEW line Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DonGillies61 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13982.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not aware of any surnames being proscribed after the 1745 rebellion. The surname McGregor was proscribed, but that was much earlier. Besides, if your family lived in Ayrshire they would have been outwith the Highlands. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.