Have made a photocopy of a Sasine dated Sept 17, 1746 for John MUIR, Schoolmaster in Stranraer and brother German to Robert MUIR, Cuttler in Ayr. The handwriting is not too difficult to read but is in the old 'Bishops Hand' type writing. There is a half page of writing. Send inquiry if interested, you'll get THREE JPGs, as I took 3 shots of it with my digital so all of it would hopefully show clearly. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA [posting to Wigtownshire List also]

Found a note I'd made while looking in Largs Births. It shows this : Henry, lawfull son of Andrew COATES, Esq and Agnes Hamilton STIRLING his lawful Wife was born at Philadelphia, United States of America on the 24th day of December, 1859. The parents of the above Henry COATES now reside at No. 2 Ln? Bolce? Place, Glasgow. =============================== ??s are mine, am not sure of name of the street. Also....Agnes may possibly be Agnes HAMILTON, Stirling meaning Agnes HAMILTON was from Stirling. There is no punctuation to help me separate HAMILTON from STIRLING to understand which is the surname. The IGI has this birth as Henry COATES of Largs dated 24 December 1859 mother's name Agnes Hamilton STERLING [with an E], the original shows STIRLING. I suspect a problem developed with transcriptions as there was no place to put a different birthplace. The volunteer could only put Largs as that was the parish being done. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ====================================

During various trips to the UK since 2004, I have collected quite a bit of material on Boyd families. When I include any of this material into a Family Chapter of “Clan Boyd of Scotland” I have given the text I have used the full citation, so that readers can go back to that Book/publication. I have sent some of this copied material to be published in our quarterly magazine – so do I need to get the written permission of the Author or Publisher? Or can I just cite the source that I am using, along with my own comments on hte information provided. Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

Mike UK copyright published material extends to 70 years from the death of the author. The sort of use you're talking about may be covered by the 'fair dealing' provision which does allow an exception'for the purpose of research for a non-commercial purpose ... provided it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement of the source'. A bit of googling will bring up quite a few guidance sheets as to the best way to approach all this. This is a good one: http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p27_work_of_others#fair_dealing Best Llotd On 19/02/2013 03:26, Mike Boyd wrote: > During various trips to the UK since 2004, I have collected quite a bit of material on Boyd families. When I include any of this material into a Family Chapter of “Clan Boyd of Scotland” I have given the text I have used the full citation, so that readers can go back to that Book/publication. > > I have sent some of this copied material to be published in our quarterly magazine – so do I need to get the written permission of the Author or Publisher? Or can I just cite the source that I am using, along with my own comments on hte information provided. > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > > Historical Committee, HBS > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jo Ann Thank you I will FILE that information on my PC Mike Boyd -----Original Message----- From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:32 PM To: Ayrshire List Subject: Re: [AYR] What does IGI Batch sereies Ba: P002801 Here is a link to the LDS explanation page https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/IGI_Batch_Number_Descriptions On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been using the International Genealogical Index information of the > LDS Church for over 3 decades. However, this is the first time that I > have > come across Batch numbers starting with “P”. > > Do any members of this list know what this series is? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Jo-Ann Croft ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike I sent this back in 2005 in response to you using the IGI...they are all in the Ayrshire rootsweb archives.... From: "Jenny Myers" < [email protected] Subject: Re: [AYR] Re: BOYD/Ayrshire Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:50:09 +1000 Mike, You may find the following of interest when checking entries on the IGI....... Regards Jenny IGI BATCH NO. INFORMATION Batch numbers beginning with A, L, M17, M18,T0, T90, 69409- indicate LDS Temple records and have limited access. Batch numbers beginning with C, E, J, K, M (except M17 and M18), P, T5, 725, 744, 745, 754- indicate extracted birth, christening or marriage record. E- Batches: Replace the "E" with an " M" and find the "M-" batch number in the IGI Batch Number Index. T-5-Batches: Just above the IGI entry with a "T-5-" batch number, you will find a nearly identical IGI entry with a different batch number. Use that batch number to find the source. 725-, 745-, and 754- Batches: These batches are extracted indexes, usually with no more information. Names may be listed alphabetically ...Surnames A - O are on film 543896. P - Z are on film 543897." Batch numbers beginning with F, T96, T998, T9990, and all digit numbers such as 8434961 [except beginning with 725-, 744-, 745-, 754- as above] are forms submitted to the Ancestral File by individuals. They may be a Family Group Record, an Individual Entry or Marriage Entry. The microfilms can be ordered and photocopies can be made. Submitters' names and addresses may be outdated. F- Batches: Check the forms to understand the data. Some information is estimated or added and may be different from what you expect. T96- Batches: This is a correction to an existing record.

I have been using the International Genealogical Index information of the LDS Church for over 3 decades. However, this is the first time that I have come across Batch numbers starting with “P”. Do any members of this list know what this series is? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane

Here is a link to the LDS explanation page https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/IGI_Batch_Number_Descriptions On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Mike Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been using the International Genealogical Index information of the > LDS Church for over 3 decades. However, this is the first time that I have > come across Batch numbers starting with “P”. > > Do any members of this list know what this series is? > > Thank you > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Jo-Ann Croft

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Annepropst23 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13520.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi my grandmother was Ann McGreish and she married Robert McKechan in West Kilbride and they eventually moved to Ardrossan Ayrshire I believe she died around 1925 or thereabouts Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

In the book Memoirs of the Maxwells of Pollok, Vol. II, William Fraser, 1863, in the Index there is reference to a James Boyd of Hullerkill – although it may be spell several ways over time. Does anyone on this list know where this place is located – Ayrshire or somewhere else in Scotland? Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee, HBS

During my recent visit to Edinburgh I found the book, The History of Scotland, Translated from the Latin of George Buchanan with Notes, John Watkins, 1831, which on page 288 says:- “Thus affairs proceeded till about the sixth year of the king’s reign [James III]. There was then at court Robert Boyd, the chief of his family, who besides his large personal estate, was allied to many other great and noble houses; and he had also a flourishing stock of children of his own, particularly Thomas and Robert. He had a brother too, named Alexander, who was well instructed and versed in all polite letters. This Alexander, at the desire of John Kennedy, his kinsman, who, by reason of his declining age, was not so fit for youthful exercises. And with the consent of the rest of the king’s tutors was appointed to teach the king the rudiments of military art; in which knowledge he was supposed to exceed all his contemporaries. …” So what does “was allied to many other great and noble houses” mean in turns of who were these “great and noble houses”? While secondly, what is the meaning of “he had also a flourishing stock of children of his own, particularly Thomas and Robert”? Thomas Boyd would be the Earl of Arran who married in April 1467 Princes Mary Stewart. However, this is the first time in over 3 decades of research that I have seen one of his sons being named as Robert Boyd. Nor do we know how many children “a flourishing stock of children of his own” might mean in terms of the number of his children. Up to this point in 2012, it was thought that Lord Robert Boyd had 9 children – six sons and three daughters. Robert and his wife are thought to have married in about 1440. These were:- 1) James Boyd, b 144x, contract in 1465 to marry Marion Kennedy , but died before 1467, when Thomas Boyd was termed “Master of Boyd”. 2) Thomas Boyd*, Master of Boyd, created Earl of Arran in 1467, b 144x, dc 1474, m 26 April 1467, Princess Mary Stewart. 3) Alexander Boyd*, b 144x, d after 1508, m Janet Colville of Octiltree and was Chamberlain of Kilmarnock 4) Archibald Boyd*, of Nariston, and afterwards of Bonshaw, b 145x d before 4 May 1507, m before 1472, Christian Mure. 5) John Boyd*, b 145x, d ?, living 1482. 6) Adam Boyd, b 1460, married twice, 2nd wife Joan Cuthbert, went with father to Alnwick, England and later moved to Kirk Bielston, Leeds, England 7) Elizabeth Boyd*, b 144x, d before 1498, m 4 March 1467-68 as first wife to Archibald Douglas, fifth Earl of Angus 8) Annabella Boyd*, b 145x m (1) Sir John Gordon of Lochivar, son of William de Gordoun, and (2) Sir Edmund Hay of Talla and Linplum 9) Margaret Boyd*, 145x, d ?, still living August 1502 at Catburnbiris Uvir, m Robert Boyd of Badenheath 10) Robert Boyd, born ?, d ? (I will have to go through my research trip papers since 2004, to see what additional information I can add to each of these children, which I will advise members when I complete that project.) * These are the only children mentioned in The Scots Peerage, Volume 5, 1907. So with six “known” sons, why was only Thomas and Robert mentioned by George Buchanan? And which order of the family was he? >From the way Buchanan has put these children’s names, it would appear that Robert was younger than Thomas. Perhaps even the next brother – ie born before Alexander. So did he flee Scotland with his father in 1469 and go to Alnwick? As Thomas, Earl of Arran, son James succeeded his grandfather Lord Robert Boyd in 1482 and was killed by the Montgomeries in 1484 when Alexander Boyd is said to succeed. So does this mean that Robert had died before 1484 when Alexander became the Head of the Clan or was he passed over because he had also been declared an “Rebel” when he fled with his father in 1469. If he did not succeed, and was older than Alexander, it would also suggest that he either did not marry, or if he did, did not have any children? A second theory, might be that this Robert Boyd mentioned by Buchanan, was the next son after Alexander? But then why did not Buchanan not mentioned Alexander with Thomas and Robert? So if he was born after Alexander, and went with his father to Alnwick, Northumberland, he maybe a source for some of the Boyd families in England from after 1469. This Robert Boyd would now make the tenth “claimed” child for Lord Robert Boyd. Hopefully, this will allow members to search for this Robert Boyd in whatever records might be found for this period. Thank you Mike Boyd Historical Committee House of Boyd Society

Hi Mike, Googling Hullerhill brought up this http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AYRSHIRE/2009-12/1261537855 so you have been looking at it before. Nuala > In the book Memoirs of the Maxwells of Pollok, Vol. II, William Fraser, 1863, in the Index there is reference to a James Boyd of Hullerkill – although it may be spell several ways over time. > > Does anyone on this list know where this place is located – Ayrshire or somewhere else in Scotland? > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wstewart281145 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/6917.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I am a greatgrandson of William Stewart , son of John Stewart & Ann Rayburn, born 1840, died 1919. His son Robert Wilson Stewart was my grandad. I would love to exchange details with you of Stewart family history. William Sands Stewart( Bill) , in Aberdeen, Scotland Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Trena_Heater Surnames: Stevenson Wylie McClusky McLusky Gorman Whyatt Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/177.1415.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hoping you and TanRobbie are still around this board. I have STEVENSON-WYLIE-MCCLUSKY/MCLUSKY connections between Dalry, Lochwinnoch & Glasgow areas. When my great-grandparents John WHYATT & Margaret MCCLUSKY/MCLUSKY (both sp. on cert) wed in 1875 Dennistoun, the two witnesses were Margaret GORMAN and Hugh GORMAN. At the time Margaret's parents, John MCLUSKY & Janet STEVENSON were living nearby on Kennedy St. GORMAN meant nothing to me, but after reading the 'Muirkirk' thread, I am now wondering if there was a family connection. Do you have any further information regarding relationships between these two surnames? Warm regards, Toni Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: karles04 Surnames: Breckenridge Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14346/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a list of the Breckenridge men and the name of whom they married for years 1855-1900 in the County of Ayr. Contact me and I can look them up for you and provide the GROS data. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Has anyone on the list done any work on the Borland / Bordland families who were in various farms on the Grougar estate in Kilmarnock over the course of (at least) the 18th century? Bordlands are variously listed at Fosterhill, Flemminghill, Castlehill, and Blackwood in the 1790s, and the name appears at Fosterhill (at least) back to the early 18th century. I think the Blackwood Borlands my be the source of the line I am trying to trace. Ken Cuthbertson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jdrobinson4 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/5422.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My wife, Susan Maitland Patton Robinson, is also looking for her grandparents Barbara Kerr and James Maitland! Have you found anything? Our tree is public ROBINSON/PATTON if this helps. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: acjag Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/46.3712.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for information on a John Starrett born 1740 in Londonderry, Ireland, married to Mary Webb. He had several children one by nane of Samuel born 1766 and married to Elizabeth Coppel and lived in Westmoreland Co.,PA. Any information on Johns parents or other family and imigration would be helpful. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: paisleyjack1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14345.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: FindMyPast has Gavin (42) and Agnes (37) both as born Newmilns. Alas FMP, like Ancestry, can have transcription errors too. On this 1871 census FMP has Gavin as Garin - Ancestry has Gavin as Gani. Quantity over quality comes to mind. It's always best to look at the original pages if possible. I often use Ancestry & FMP if I can't easily find a family on Scotlandspeople. They are useful in that both can be searched using a forename only, age etc. Once I've found who I think are the correct family I go to SP. Though sometimes you then have to play about to see what SP has them indexed as! But it's usually correct - certainly they have far fewer errors. Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Tarbolton? Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange -----Original Message----- From: Robert Struthers <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:28:35 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AYR] Name of birthplace help If I write 'Mauchline' in a longhand script, it looks vaguely like 'Marmatone'. But that doesn't square with Newmilns/Loudoun. Regards, Robert Struthers On 11/02/2013 14:41, [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: ConverGirl > Surnames: BARRIE, MORTON > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14345/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > In the 1871 census for the family of Gavin Barrie b 1829 & Agnes Morton b 1834, their birthplace is listed as "Marmatone, Ayrshire". I've tried Googling it, but I'm not even getting any suggestions for something close. Can anyone give me an idea of what the actual name of this town might be? > http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1871Scotland&indiv=try&h=488782 > > I guess it doesn't really matter since it's the only time it shows up this way. In other years it's listed as either Newmilns or Loudoun. > > Thanks. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message