This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hughgemmell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14357.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to the records of the Catholic Church, they were married St. Mirin's Church, Paisley in June 1845. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: franksmith55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14357/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Trying to find the name of the catholic church that performed the marriage of Peter and Mary.They were married in 1845 at Dalry Ayr. They had 2 children born in Scotland Ellen born 1846 and James 1847 Any information greatly appreciated Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello List, I am rather puzzled as I was sure that the freecen site had the 1851 Census for Auchinleck but now I come to check just for one entry I can't find it. I know the Auchinleck 1841 is missing and I was doing some voluntary transcribing myself (for another area) when the 1851 appeared. Please does anyone know where it has gone? I haven't really been following the debate about free versus paid for genealogy but there is certainly information available which has been produced by volunteers, including, as far as I knew, Auchinleck 1851. Thanks for any clues. Best regards, Mary

Mary - I am sure you will find that Auchinleck for 1851 is in the database, although for some reason you cannot select Auchinleck 1851. You can, however, search for the individual (putting in the age or occupation helps). I just tried it for one of mine in Dundonald (which also isn't listed for 1851). I put in his name and age and merely selected Ayrshire as the County. It found him all right! The FreeCen website says that 100% of Ayrshire is on line for 1841 and for 1851. It is just the Search feature that is at fault. Irene, Canada

Mary,       Auchinleck isn't listed on  the "census place", but Auchinleck is in there.  I just put Templeton for 1851, and it listed all the T. in Ayrshire, including the ones in Auchinleck.   Marc ________________________________ From: Mary Paton <[email protected]> To: ayrsh[email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:48 AM Subject: [AYR] Auchinleck Census 1851 Hello List, I am rather puzzled as I was sure that the freecen site had the 1851 Census for Auchinleck but now I come to check just for one entry I can't find it. I know the Auchinleck 1841 is missing and I was doing some voluntary transcribing myself (for another area) when the 1851 appeared. Please does anyone know where it has gone? I haven't really been following the debate about free versus paid for genealogy but there is certainly information available which has been produced by volunteers, including, as far as I knew, Auchinleck 1851. Thanks for any clues. Best regards, Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Emmajuliet61 Surnames: McGeorge Wyllie Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14073.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I am a descendant of Samuel mcGeorge born 1833, parents Thomas mcGeorge 1803 riccarton and Margaret Whllie 1803. I am trying to trace this heritage. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

On 19/03/2013 14:34, [email protected] wrote: > Why should access to historical records be free? It costs money to digitise records and put them online. Who should pay for it? Those who use the records, of course - that is, genealogists and family historians. Otherwise it would be all taxpayers footing the bill and that would be unfair. > Well, we all pay taxes that provide a lot of things we aren't interested in, which give us personally no benefit, or which we might actually be against. These can range from state subsidised sports or arts through to various wars. Governments choose what's free at point of use and what isn't. Sticking with genealogy: for example, I'm partly of Danish descent and the Danish government has had a project to provide scans of all available church books and censuses online and freely available. I'm Australian born and the National Library of Australia has a massive digitization project of a vast array of publicly held documents and artefacts on the freely available Trove site; of particular use to family or social historians are scans of newspapers for example. The Australian War Museum is making freely available military records - at the moment those for most soldiers of the Great War and earlier are available, although even the indexes for later periods give very helpful summaries (for example dates and places of birth and next of kin). And so it goes - even for the UK there are many freely available public resources, although these can often only be accessed at local libraries (and why should libraries be free? Not everyone uses them!); for example: the Times and many local newspapers, census indexes and scans, the library edition of Ancestry and many others. These are the publicly owned and publicly funded resources. This is before you get onto the growing number of volunteer projects. The best known are of course FreeBDM and Freecen[sus], but there are also cemetery records and monument transcriptions. Transcriptions of all Lancashire church books are online and searchable (and this must be true for many other counties). I could go on! Best Lloyd (who thinks he may have to spend a little money on Scotland's People as he's just found a possible place of birth for an otherwise missing ancestor's child)

The fact that I oppose my tax dollars being used for certain things I find repugnant is exactly why I would not then ask that other people's tax dollars pay for an interest of mine which they may find foolish. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AYR] Genealogy is so lost-its being tie up by the company On 19/03/2013 14:34, [email protected] wrote: > Why should access to historical records be free? It costs money to digitise records and put them online. Who should pay for it? Those who use the records, of course - that is, genealogists and family historians. Otherwise it would be all taxpayers footing the bill and that would be unfair. > Well, we all pay taxes that provide a lot of things we aren't interested in, which give us personally no benefit, or which we might actually be against. These can range from state subsidised sports or arts through to various wars. Governments choose what's free at point of use and what isn't. Sticking with genealogy: for example, I'm partly of Danish descent and the Danish government has had a project to provide scans of all available church books and censuses online and freely available. I'm Australian born and the National Library of Australia has a massive digitization project of a vast array of publicly held documents and artefacts on the freely available Trove site; of particular use to family or social historians are scans of newspapers for example. The Australian War Museum is making freely available military records - at the moment those for most soldiers of the Great War and earlier are available, although even the indexes for later periods give very helpful summaries (for example dates and places of birth and next of kin). And so it goes - even for the UK there are many freely available public resources, although these can often only be accessed at local libraries (and why should libraries be free? Not everyone uses them!); for example: the Times and many local newspapers, census indexes and scans, the library edition of Ancestry and many others. These are the publicly owned and publicly funded resources. This is before you get onto the growing number of volunteer projects. The best known are of course FreeBDM and Freecen[sus], but there are also cemetery records and monument transcriptions. Transcriptions of all Lancashire church books are online and searchable (and this must be true for many other counties). I could go on! Best Lloyd (who thinks he may have to spend a little money on Scotland's People as he's just found a possible place of birth for an otherwise missing ancestor's child) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lnordby3826 Surnames: Logan Frew Love Pennal Ferguson Kilpatrick Reid of Stevenston Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1600.3.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Your Walter's parents William Pennal and Jane Ferguson of Stevenston are my 5x great grandparents. I am descending from Walter's sister Agnes Pennal b 1756 Stevenston. She married Patrick Logan 1784 in Stevenston. My research shows 7 children born to William Pennal and Jane Ferguson and 5 of those I have marriages. I would be pleased to share information with you on our Pennal lines. Janet Thom and Walter Pennal appear on the 1822 Landsborough Parish List originally transcribed by Mairi Frew. The original handwritten entry for William and Janet was located above Walter Glen along with their daughter Jane Pennal 4 children, all were living on the Boglemart, Stevenston. As to proof of the identification of her parents as to my personal knowledge they are still unknown. Jane Ferguson's parents were Walter Ferguson and Agnes Smillie. Please contact me at any time [email protected] Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lnordby3826 Surnames: Logan Frew Love Pennal Ferguson Kilpatrick Reid of Stevenston Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1600.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Your Walter's parents William Pennal and Jane Ferguson of Stevenston are my 5x great grandparents. I am descending from Walter's sister Agnes Pennal b 1756 Stevenston. She married Patrick Logan 1784 in Stevenston. My research shows 7 children born to William Pennal and Jane Ferguson and 5 of those I have marriages. I would be pleased to share information with you on our Pennal lines. Janet Thom and Walter Pennal appear on the 1822 Landsborough Parish List originally transcribed by Mairi Frew. The original handwritten entry for William and Janet was located above Walter Glen along with their daughter Jane Pennal 4 children, all were living on the Boglemart, Stevenston. As to proof of the identification of her parents as to my personal knowledge they are still unknown. Jane Ferguson's parents were Walter Ferguson and Agnes Smillie. Please contact me at any time [email protected] Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: judithstrachan1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14356.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Why should access to historical records be free? It costs money to digitise records and put them online. Who should pay for it? Those who use the records, of course - that is, genealogists and family historians. Otherwise it would be all taxpayers footing the bill and that would be unfair. Putting a message on any message board and hoping to find someone who has already researched your particular family tree is a real shot in the dark, but it can work. And there are still lots of free message boards. The reason a message about Scottish records will get a reply saying you need to use the pay to view website ScotlandsPeople is because that is how you access Scottish records. It actually works much cheaper than getting an English certificate. I can see my own family tree free of charge at any time, because I keep it on my own computer. What I put online is a copy. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Deborah How far back to these records go for? Mike Boyd From: Deborah Rea Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:34 AM To: Mike Boyd Subject: Re: [AYR] OSBORNE family from Kilmarnock Hi Mike, You/Nancy could email Heather Dunlop at the Burns Centre - [email protected] She is really helpful. I would like to let people know that they and other centres hold what is known as the Valuation Rolls. These came out every year and showed who the Proprietor/Tenant were on what farm. Also tells you the size of the farm. These are kept in a separate room at the Burns and so you will have to ask someone at the desk to get them out for you. You will not be able to copy them; the spines would break the copier. If you have an i-pad or i-phone you can take very quick photos of them. You will have to pay the photo fee per day - £5?? If one gets to Carnegie they might still make copies of the Val Rolls - their copier must be more heavy duty! Regards Debbie Rea

Nancy I assume that you plan to Fly form Boston to Edinburgh? How are you planning to go from Edinburgh to Kilmarnock? While in Kilmarnock, you will need to go to the Burns Memorial Centre. This is the Local Studied Library for East Ayrshire and "should" be able to tell you if they have records for the Churches, including maps of the graves, you want to visit in East Ayrshire. It is across the river from the Bus centre. I do not have their Email address but you should get it by goggling the East Ayrshire Council website. Irvine is in North Ayrshire and you will need to contact their Local Studies Centre, which I understand is now located in Stevenston (not sure what the parking is like there). I know they have records of graveyards but I can't recall if it is only up to the mid 1800's or not. So you will need to go to the North Ayrshire Council website to find their Email address to get their location. Ayr (town) is in South Ayrshire. Their Local Studies centre is in the Carniege (?) Library in the middle of Ayr and parking is a problem. Again you will have to look at the South Ayrshire Council website. Good hunting and have a good trip. Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 4:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AYR] OSBORNE family from Kilmarnock This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: capecodnad Surnames: OSBORNE, OSBOURNE, MURDOCH, WYLIE Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13509.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Dominic, I am resurrecting this e-mail from 2009 concerning the OSBORNE and MURDOCH connection that you helped me so much with back then! My husband and I are making a trip this summer that will include 11 days this June. We are hoping to walk the areas, churches and graveyards for many of his ancestors and am hoping you can help me again. I am hoping you can tell me what church they were affiliated with. I don't have a real sense of even what churches were around then. We plan on staying in Edinbourgh and traveling to Kilmarnack, Irvine, and Ayr while we are there. Can you provide any other suggestions that would help me get to the right locations? Also, can you tell me where Loch Byres is located? Have you found any more info on Janet, John Osbourne's sister that you said you were descendent from? I can't tell from our thread if I ever sent you the Descendant info from my husband's ancestor John OSBORNE. Therefore, I tried to attach it to this e-mail but it is a PDF file and will not go. May I have your e-mail address and I will send it that way. Many thanks in advance for your help. Warm regards, Nancy A. Daniels Cape Cod, MA [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: koksvik Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/14356.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you think you can do genealogy on the cheap you have to rethink your approach. This year alone I have been able to add 3.000 relatives to my tree and that is thanks to my worldwide membership of Ancestry.com. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dmt2010 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1600.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Not a known relation as far as my data records indicate but thanks for responding. Cheers, Derek Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oulselhul Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13572.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: http://maps.nls.uk/atlas/thomson/view/?rsid=74400168&sid=74400168&mid=547 oulselhul Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: blantyrelad Surnames: Thom Pennal Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/1600.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Janet Thom in my tree, b c1765 and marrying Walter Pennal 22 Dec 1788, Stevenston. He was my gggg grandfather's brother, i think. I dont have much on the Thom's as focus has mainly been on Pennell/Pinnell. She d aft 1819. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pahlersally Surnames: Orr Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13572.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am the gg granddaughter of William Stewart Orr and Annie Margaret Craig. I believe I corresponded with some of the people from this thread back in 2001, but a computer crash lost most of my data. Feel free to contact me. I have recently been contacted by another descendant of this family. My line is through William Wallace Orr, hers is through Wm's brother Barclay Leith Orr. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: capecodnad Surnames: OSBORNE, OSBOURNE, MURDOCH, WYLIE Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ayr.general/13509.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Dominic, I am resurrecting this e-mail from 2009 concerning the OSBORNE and MURDOCH connection that you helped me so much with back then! My husband and I are making a trip this summer that will include 11 days this June. We are hoping to walk the areas, churches and graveyards for many of his ancestors and am hoping you can help me again. I am hoping you can tell me what church they were affiliated with. I don't have a real sense of even what churches were around then. We plan on staying in Edinbourgh and traveling to Kilmarnack, Irvine, and Ayr while we are there. Can you provide any other suggestions that would help me get to the right locations? Also, can you tell me where Loch Byres is located? Have you found any more info on Janet, John Osbourne's sister that you said you were descendent from? I can't tell from our thread if I ever sent you the Descendant info from my husband's ancestor John OSBORNE. Therefore, I tried to attach it to this e-mail but it is a PDF file and will not go. May I have your e-mail address and I will send it that way. Many thanks in advance for your help. Warm regards, Nancy A. Daniels Cape Cod, MA [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Also we are lucky to be researching Scottish records - I've started researching my OH's family who are almost all in England, and for every stage you need to order the relevant certificate, at considerable cost (especially if you've come across the wrong person -and there's a high chance as all you can see online is the index). Scotlandspeople is such a blessing!!! Louise On 18 March 2013 14:54, George McCaig <[email protected]> wrote: > > How soon we forget! > > Genealogy research has never been free. Before Scotlandspeoples site, the > only way to get your data, without being in Scotland, was to go to an LDS > Family History Library and sit at a microfiche or microfilm reader for > hours looking at photocopied records. It cost three dollars to have a > microfilm brought in, and three hours to read it. Ayrshire records required > three films for each years births, three for deaths, and three for > marriages. I read all the years from 1855 - 1875, plus a few others as > available. You do the math, that is $540.00 dollars, plus 540 hours of > reading, plus your driving time to get there. And let us not forget the > hours spent reading microfiche copies of the OPR's. > > I for one was thrilled when Scotlandspeoples website was made available. I > was able to search my names of interest from the comfort of my own home at > much less expenditure of time, and considerably less money. I have baulked > at the cost of Amazon.com, but have found records there I would never have > uncovered on my own. > > My parents emigrated to Canada in 1923 when they were still single, and I > had all that data. I knew they had gone back to Scotland for a visit before > their marriage, but had no dates. Imagine my pleasure, and surprise, to > find the records of not only that trip, but of an earlier one my father > made of which I was not aware. > > So the point is, family history research is a great hobby with much > pleasure derived for not only you, but all your extended family. But it is > not, and has never been free of cost. > > George M. McCaig > Burlington, Ontario. > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >