Gail Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Gail Riddell <[email protected]> wrote: > > This subject, along with some other project queries in the last couple of days has contributed to making me more aware of the advantages of looking at the Family Finder Matrix within my projects and utilising that matrix. > > Sadly, not many Y-DNA testers have bothered with Family Finder and they are, in my opinion, missing out on a vast untapped resource. > I say that because:- > 1. Many women do not have male siblings, nor a living father, uncle etc BUT those women who take the plunge into DNA and their atDNA (and test for Family Finder) often have wonderful genealogy trees > 2. If males do not test their atDNA (Family Finder), these same women will never be able to make contact (remember that it is often these women who have exemplary Family trees). > 3. Many men are ignoring the female sides of their genetic makeup and concentrating purely on their paternity - which may or may not be per their birth certificates. > > So, thank you all for bringing this matter up... my internal admin duties are now increased and enhanced as a result... > > Gail Riddell >

And I agree with you both!! I have been so puzzled how to accomplish our goals with y-DNA testing and my interest was sparked when I met CeCe Moore and she started me on this autosomal "thing." Jim, I've been reading the archives of this list and so appreciate your tips and encouragement. Kathleen On 6/17/2012 6:04 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Gail > > Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! > > It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Gail Riddell<[email protected]> wrote: > >> This subject, along with some other project queries in the last couple of days has contributed to making me more aware of the advantages of looking at the Family Finder Matrix within my projects and utilising that matrix. >> >> Sadly, not many Y-DNA testers have bothered with Family Finder and they are, in my opinion, missing out on a vast untapped resource. >> I say that because:- >> 1. Many women do not have male siblings, nor a living father, uncle etc BUT those women who take the plunge into DNA and their atDNA (and test for Family Finder) often have wonderful genealogy trees >> 2. If males do not test their atDNA (Family Finder), these same women will never be able to make contact (remember that it is often these women who have exemplary Family trees). >> 3. Many men are ignoring the female sides of their genetic makeup and concentrating purely on their paternity - which may or may not be per their birth certificates. >> >> So, thank you all for bringing this matter up... my internal admin duties are now increased and enhanced as a result... >> >> Gail Riddell >>

Well said Jim .... I will probably "borrow" some of those thoughts in my communications with "cousins" ..... and aren't we all ? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bartlett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 7:04:09 AM Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] adding members to your        FTDNA        FamilyFinder        project Gail Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!