Hi Jim Thank you. Unfortunately the other match does not have the adoptee in her matches. I will wait to hear who the adoptee has in her matches. Karen On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Jim Bartlett <[email protected]>wrote: > > Karen, > > This puts the spotlight on the key point. Clearly the 16-76 segment is > probably IBD (13.87cM) and it was passed down from one of your Dad's > ancestors. The same identical segment was almost certainly passed down > from > the same ancestor to the Adoptee. > > This IBD segment has to come down to your Dad [2], through his father > [4] or > mother [5] [numbers in brackets are Ahnentafel numbers], from a specific > ancestor. > > Now the 3rd Match's 70-76 segment at 5.32 cM may or may not be IBD, but > this > segment MUST come down from one of your Dad's ancestors to your Dad (and > you). Like the above example it MUST come down through your Dad's father > [4] or mother [5] from some specific ancestor. It is possible for the > 13.87 > segment to come down from, say, [4], and the 5.32 segment to come down > from > the other ancestor [5]. That is - any area on a Chromosome will have a > segment from the paternal side and a segment from the maternal side. And > each of these segments is from a specific ancestor on that respective > side. > It is possible for two large identical IBD segments to be from different > parents. But if there are 3 such segments (from cousins, not > parent-child) > at least two of these large identical IBD segments must come from the > same > parent, AND from the same ancestor. > > It's a judgement call, but since your 3rd Match segment overlaps the > 13.87 > segment and ends at exactly the same place, I think it's highly probable > that that 5.32 segment came from the same ancestor as the 13.87 segment, > and > lost some atDNA along the way to the 3rd Match. > > So if you and the 3rd Match can determine a Common Ancestor, the Adoptee > could use that info. If I were the Adoptee, I'd learn as much about the > descendants of that Common Ancestor as I could. Someday when another > Common > Ancestor is found for the Adoptee, and the descendants of that Ancestor > are > traced - sooner or later one of the descendants between these two lines > could match - get an atDNA test of a descendant of that match and see if > it > isn't a VERY close atMatch to the Adoptee. > > I hope anyone on this list will correct me if the concepts above are not > correct. > > This atDNA process is beginning to be very intersting. > > Jim Bartlett > > On 03/14/12, Karen Hodges<[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Jim > Thanks > Chromosome 11 - 4 matches on Dad's list plus Adoptee and 3 on mine. But > only one looks IBD > Adoptee to me 61922748-76029213 segment 13.87, SNPS 3400 > Adoptee to dad 61594120-76029213 segment 13.97 SNPS 3500 > 3rd Match [to dad and I] 70559577-76029213 segment 5.32 SNPS 1200 > The adoptee won't be able to check their record for a few weeks so I will > contact the other match. > Karen > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Jim Bartlett > <[1][email protected]>wrote: > > Karen > > > > One idea, particularly for adopters, is to determine which long atDNA > > segment you share, and then both of you examine all of your other > matches > > for overlapping segments, particularly long ones. Such long segments > can > > only come from two of your Dad's ancestors, one one his paternal side > and > > one from the maternal side. (this is based on such long segments being > IBD, > > and not all of them will be, but it's a place to look). If you can > find a > > Common Ancestor with a third joint match, there is a 50-50 chance that > the > > adoptee will have the same one. The adoptees should be collecting and > > analyzing this kind of clue. > > > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > > > On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:29 AM, Karen Hodges <[2][email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi Tim, Ann, Jim and Melissa > > > > > > Thank you all for your help. > > > > > > I have been contact by a person who has been adopted as a baby and > has > no > > > information about their biological family. The person lives in > England > > and > > > I live in Australia. The connection is on my paternal side as they > match > > > with my Dad. > > > > > > I have no idea how to go about sorting out how we connect. Dad is > listed > > > as a 3rd - 5th cousin[13.97cMs snp 3500] and I am listed as a 4th to > > remote > > > [13.87cMs, snp 3400]. Dad had an English Great Great Grandfather who > was > > > married with a child [I have not found them] when he was sent to > > Australia > > > in 1826. He remarried and had a second family which Dad descends > from. > > This > > > is possibly the line we connect on and that was the reason behind my > > > question as I wondered if it might effect the cousin level. > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Ann Turner <[3][email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> On the average, a half-third cousin would share the same amount of > DNA > > as a > > >> third cousin once removed (i.e., between a third and fourth cousin). > The > > >> range displayed by FF should be bigger to account for the random > > element. > > >> > > >> Ann Turner > > >> > > >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Karen Hodges > <[4][email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> With Family finder the results say what level cousin the match is > > >> expected > > >>> to be. What happens in the case of half siblings with what level > the > > >> cousin > > >>> will show at? For example if a woman marriages twice and has a > child > > with > > >>> each father. The grandchildren are 1st cousins and the great > > >> grandchildren > > >>> 2nd cousins and great great grandchildren 3rd cousins. But when it > > comes > > >>> to reading the DNA family finder result would it show the > relationship > > as > > >>> this or would it be more distant as the DNA shared is half to begin > > with. > > >>> Would a half third cousin be shown as maybe a third to fifth > cousin? > > >>> > > >>> Karen > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> ______________________________ > > >> For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, > please > > see: > > >> [5]http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> A[6][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please > > see: > > > [7]http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > A[8][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please > see: > > [9]http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > A[10][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please > see: > [11]http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > A[12][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > 2. mailto:[email protected] > 3. mailto:[email protected] > 4. mailto:[email protected] > 5. http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > 6. mailto:[email protected] > 7. http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > 8. mailto:[email protected] > 9. http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > 10. mailto:[email protected] > 11. http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > 12. mailto:[email protected] > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >