Dear Linda, It sounds like you are making progress, but perhaps you don't have enough data to draw any firm conclusions yet about the genealogical relationships involved. If you can't prove the genealogical connection now then I would keep testing cousins of these people on the same lines of descent you are interested in. Hopefully, that will eventually allow you to draw firmer conclusions. However, proving a genealogical connection to someone in the 1600s using autosomal DNA is still challenging at this point. We need to have better chromosome maps for people linking phased segments back in the 1700s before we can really start reaching back into the 1600s with certainty. Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Boorom Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:29 PM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Matches with a common surname Don't want to get too confusing with what I am seeing from my database of close kin, but think that at least the segment from 20941493 to 2650205 on Chr 14 is IBD and more than likely goes back to th ancestor who was the 1674 immigrant from MD I've done some more back & forth studies between the different Chromosone Browsers, have access to the Raw DNA of Female A, Male A, but not B. Trying to crack a few bricks on this surname. Although I've spent a few days trying to compose this and simplify it, it still probably appears confusing. Just not sure how much or in what order to share what I am seeing. Linda ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tim, I have thus far tested myself, both of my parents, the only 2 living siblings of my maternal grandmother, & a 3rd cousin descended from my grandmother's father's brother (3rd cousin to me). Results are pending for both of my mother's brothers. My grandmother had 8 full siblings, all with large families. I could attempt to contact those still living, their probable results would be interesting as for the most part, my grandmother's siblings married distant cousins. I admin. a Family Finder Project for this surname to which we now have 40 members from a dozen or so different lines, most which have a brick wall in trying to surpass the lack of any paper trail in the 1700's back to Peter the immigrant. Many between the different linages match others in the project (and others not yet in the project) not even to mention the amazing number of matches in common between members. But, back to the match in question. The most distant ancestor for each of the 3 Project Members was born in MD 1775-1785. One line migrated from MD to AL by 1810, the other 2 to KY in the same time frame. Of the 2 to KY, they lived in different counties and only my line stayed in KY. The son of the 3rd mda migrated to CA. It's remote that any of the 3 share a common ancestor previous to 1775 or there abt. Of my personal relatives tested, (not incl. my father!) all but one of my great aunts match the gentleman whose branch went to AL. Both great aunts and 3rd cousin match the gentleman whose branch went to CA. Back to chromosone 14 and the segment in qiestion. Only the 1 great aunt matches both gentlemen. Neither great aunt match each other on 14 until after this segment. The 2nd great aunt has 2 matches in this area. One with a cousin through her fathers mother, the other through her mother's mother. Since the 2 sisters don't match each other here, I am presuming that the first great aunt's DNA is from either of her 2 grandfather's & not her 2 grandmother's My mother & I match the first great aunt overlapping this segment, but even through we both match the AL gentleman on other segments, we don't match him on this segment and neither of us match the CA gentleman at all. At this time, there aren't any other matches to compare and determine for certainty which grandfather. It's certainly possible it c/b the maternal grandfather, as he too is a brick wall of mine going back to the same time period in MD. However, because of the common surname shared by all 3, it seems more likely that my great aunts DNA on this segment came from her father's father. HELP! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Janzen" <tjanzen@comcast.net> To: <autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Matches with a common surname > Dear Linda, > It sounds like you are making progress, but perhaps you don't have enough > data to draw any firm conclusions yet about the genealogical relationships > involved. If you can't prove the genealogical connection now then I would > keep testing cousins of these people on the same lines of descent you are > interested in. Hopefully, that will eventually allow you to draw firmer > conclusions. However, proving a genealogical connection to someone in the > 1600s using autosomal DNA is still challenging at this point. We need to > have better chromosome maps for people linking phased segments back in the > 1700s before we can really start reaching back into the 1600s with > certainty. > Tim Janzen > > -----Original Message----- > From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Boorom > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:29 PM > To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Matches with a common surname > > Don't want to get too confusing with what I am seeing from my database of > close kin, but think that > at least the segment from 20941493 to 2650205 on Chr 14 is IBD and more than > likely goes back to th > ancestor who was the 1674 immigrant from MD > > I've done some more back & forth studies between the different Chromosone > Browsers, have access to > the Raw DNA of Female A, Male A, but not B. > > Trying to crack a few bricks on this surname. > > Although I've spent a few days trying to compose this and simplify it, it > still probably appears > confusing. Just not sure how much or in what order to share what I am > seeing. > > Linda > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Linda, It seems to me that you are doing everything that you can do with the data you have at this time. If you are trying to bridge a gap of 3 to 4 generations from the 1670s to the 1770s using autosomal DNA, I think you will have trouble doing that with absolute certainty from a scientific standpoint. In any case, this doesn't prevent you from making the logical assumption at this point in time that your great aunt and these other two matches share a segment that was originally carried by the immigrant ancestor in the 1670s or his wife. Another angle you can work on is to aggressively research the genealogies of any matches on this particularly segment of chromosome 14 in Family Finder, 23andMe and GEDmatch. You may find additional genealogical connections that link the 3 matches back to each other or to others who also share this HIR. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Boorom Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 1:42 AM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Matches with a common surname Tim, But, back to the match in question. The most distant ancestor for each of the 3 Project Members was born in MD 1775-1785. One line migrated from MD to AL by 1810, the other 2 to KY in the same time frame. Of the 2 to KY, they lived in different counties and only my line stayed in KY. The son of the 3rd mda migrated to CA. It's remote that any of the 3 share a common ancestor previous to 1775 or there abt. Back to chromosone 14 and the segment in qiestion. Only the 1 great aunt matches both gentlemen. Neither great aunt match each other on 14 until after this segment. The 2nd great aunt has 2 matches in this area. One with a cousin through her fathers mother, the other through her mother's mother. Since the 2 sisters don't match each other here, I am presuming that the first great aunt's DNA is from either of her 2 grandfather's & not her 2 grandmother's My mother & I match the first great aunt overlapping this segment, but even through we both match the AL gentleman on other segments, we don't match him on this segment and neither of us match the CA gentleman at all. At this time, there aren't any other matches to compare and determine for certainty which grandfather. It's certainly possible it c/b the maternal grandfather, as he too is a brick wall of mine going back to the same time period in MD. However, because of the common surname shared by all 3, it seems more likely that my great aunts DNA on this segment came from her father's father. HELP! Linda