Hi Group - Newby needing  some help here. I got lucky a couple of days ago. I tested with 23andme in the last year, upgrading to the newer chip, primarily for the medical results. Then arrived the email through 23andme saying I had a likely relative finder match. Low and behold it was right. Here's where I'd like some help. Hugh and Elizabeth married in Scotland in 1805. Over the next 20+ years they had 10 children The first was a girl, Catherine and the last was a boy Alexander born in 1827. The whole tribe moved to Canada in the 1830's. I descend from Catherine. My new cousin descended from Alexander.  For both of us it was 5 generations up from us to Hugh and Elizabeth. But on my side there is a hiccup. Elizabeth had an "oopsie' child named Robert in 1828 that was raised as a Sinclair and I descend from Robert. My contact also descended from a first born girl, Alexander's first daughter. So how's this work? I was surprised that the autosomal blew right past the fact that I was not a Sinclair from the YDNA point of view - but then as I said I'm a newby on the autosomal side. My take is both my cousin and I must have got our matching stuff from GGG GM Elizabeth. What say ye? Thanks Ron Sinclair

Dear Ron, If I am reading your message correctly you have two lines of descent from this family: 1. You descend from Hugh's and Elizabeth's daughter Catherine. 2. You descend from an unknown man and Elizabeth's son Robert. If the above is correct then in theory about 2/3 of the autosomal DNA you share with your cousin would have come from Elizabeth and about 1/3 of it would have come from Hugh. This is assuming that you don't share ancestry within the past 300 to 500 years on another ancestral line with your cousin. However, you need to keep in mind that the transmission of autosomal DNA from your ancestors down to you happens in a random fashion so that it is possible that all of the DNA your cousin and you share in common could have come from Hugh and all of it could have come from Elizabeth. You would have to do careful chromosome mapping with other cousins (descendents of the ancestors of Hugh and Elizabeth) to sort this out. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RON SINCLAIR Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:17 PM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] A question for the knowledgeable   Hi Group - Newby needing  some help here. I got lucky a couple of days ago. I tested with 23andme in the last year, upgrading to the newer chip, primarily for the medical results. Then arrived the email through 23andme saying I had a likely relative finder match. Low and behold it was right. Here's where I'd like some help. Hugh and Elizabeth married in Scotland in 1805. Over the next 20+ years they had 10 children The first was a girl, Catherine and the last was a boy Alexander born in 1827. The whole tribe moved to Canada in the 1830's. I descend from Catherine. My new cousin descended from Alexander.  For both of us it was 5 generations up from us to Hugh and Elizabeth. But on my side there is a hiccup. Elizabeth had an "oopsie' child named Robert in 1828 that was raised as a Sinclair and I descend from Robert. My contact also descended from a first born girl, Alexander's first daughter. So how's this work? I was surprised that the autosomal blew right past the fact that I was not a Sinclair from the YDNA point of view - but then as I said I'm a newby on the autosomal side. My take is both my cousin and I must have got our matching stuff from GGG GM Elizabeth. What say ye? Thanks Ron Sinclair

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/extras/molgen/auto_dna.html This is a great tutorial with quick (about 2 minutes each) video clips explaining types of DNA.  Watch the one on autosomal DNA to better understand your results.  You need only to match DNA from one parent/grandparent to be a cousin. On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:28 AM, Tim Janzen <tjanzen@comcast.net> wrote: Dear Ron,     If I am reading your message correctly you have two lines of descent from this family: 1.  You descend from Hugh's and Elizabeth's daughter Catherine. 2.  You descend from an unknown man and Elizabeth's son Robert. If the above is correct then in theory about 2/3 of the autosomal DNA you share with your cousin would have come from Elizabeth and about 1/3 of it would have come from Hugh.  This is assuming that you don't share ancestry within the past 300 to 500 years on another ancestral line with your cousin. However, you need to keep in mind that the transmission of autosomal DNA from your ancestors down to you happens in a random fashion so that it is possible that all of the DNA your cousin and you share in common could have come from Hugh and all of it could have come from Elizabeth.  You would have to do careful chromosome mapping with other cousins (descendents of the ancestors of Hugh and Elizabeth) to sort this out. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RON SINCLAIR Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:17 PM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] A question for the knowledgeable   Hi Group - Newby needing  some help here. I got lucky a couple of days ago. I tested with 23andme in the last year, upgrading to the newer chip, primarily for the medical results. Then arrived the email through 23andme saying I had a likely relative finder match. Low and behold it was right. Here's where I'd like some help. Hugh and Elizabeth married in Scotland in 1805. Over the next 20+ years they had 10 children The first was a girl, Catherine and the last was a boy Alexander born in 1827. The whole tribe moved to Canada in the 1830's. I descend from Catherine. My new cousin descended from Alexander.  For both of us it was 5 generations up from us to Hugh and Elizabeth. But on my side there is a hiccup. Elizabeth had an "oopsie' child named Robert in 1828 that was raised as a Sinclair and I descend from Robert. My contact also descended from a first born girl, Alexander's first daughter. So how's this work? I was surprised that the autosomal blew right past the fact that I was not a Sinclair from the YDNA point of view - but then as I said I'm a newby on the autosomal side. My take is both my cousin and I must have got our matching stuff from GGG GM Elizabeth. What say ye? Thanks Ron Sinclair ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ron The DNA follows the biological/blood lines. You need to only look at the biological Tree - how the DNA is passed down from generation to generation. That will quickly give you your answers. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Dec 4, 2013, at 11:16 PM, RON SINCLAIR <rsinclair123@rogers.com> wrote: > > Hi Group - Newby needing some help here. > I got lucky a couple of days ago. I tested with 23andme in the last year, upgrading to the newer chip, primarily for the medical results. Then arrived the email through 23andme saying I had a likely relative finder match. Low and behold it was right. Here's where I'd like some help. > Hugh and Elizabeth married in Scotland in 1805. Over the next 20+ years they had 10 children The first was a girl, Catherine and the last was a boy Alexander born in 1827. The whole tribe moved to Canada in the 1830's. I descend from Catherine. My new cousin descended from Alexander. For both of us it was 5 generations up from us to Hugh and Elizabeth. But on my side there is a hiccup. Elizabeth had an "oopsie' child named Robert in 1828 that was raised as a Sinclair and I descend from Robert. > My contact also descended from a first born girl, Alexander's first daughter. > So how's this work? I was surprised that the autosomal blew right past the fact that I was not a Sinclair from the YDNA point of view - but then as I said I'm a newby on the autosomal side. > My take is both my cousin and I must have got our matching stuff from GGG GM Elizabeth. > What say ye? > Thanks > Ron Sinclair >