Jim, have a question for you: You wrote....."I have a long list of FF and RF atDNA matches; I email them and try to find a Common Ancestor. 37 of them and I have found a Common Ancestor, 5 of them at the 10th cousin level...." What proofs of these 'found' relationships do you require? Apparently, I am too much of a stickler for requiring to know, for sure, which persons/dates/places of the surname found, are in fact the source of some matching dna. Many matches can tell me they found a surname matching one of mine, but cannot identify the couple to the same extent that I can! Then, I am asked to confirm a relationship which may not exist. I choose not to, and am accused of not playing fairly! A random matching surname with no further matching of dates/places of birth, marriage, death, are not confirmed relationships in my mind. How about you? Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com