Chris That's the problem with ICW (and FTDNA), there is no way there to compare two other people. ICW means the two people have a shared segment (I presume to be 7.7cM, or more) somewhere. ICW does not say where, so you don't know if it's on the same segment that they both share with you. Much of the time it is (I don't know what percentage), but often it is not. To verify an ICW is indeed a Triangulation with you, you need to ask them where their shared segment is. If they are both on GEDmatch it's easy. If they both also have 23andMe kits, it's easy. If neither of these two, and they won't respond to your emails, you're stuck. Even if two people share the same segment with you, you cannot be sure that it's on the same chromosome (parent's side), unless they match each other on that segment (which you can't see at FTDNA). 1cM matches don't count in Triangulation - almost any two people could have a 1cM match. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Nov 4, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> wrote: > I am not sure how to think about the ICW feature. When I use it and then > compare to my chromosome browser or spreadsheet, I get no matching chromosomes > unless I look at 1 cm. > Can that be right? It doesn't seem a large enough segment to mean anything. > If I compare only larger matches I find them on a different chromosome with > fewer of the ICW matches FF gives me. Same with Gedmatch. > > Can someone explain if these are really matches? > > Chris

I am not sure how to think about the ICW feature. When I use it and then compare to my chromosome browser or spreadsheet, I get no matching chromosomes unless I look at 1 cm. Can that be right? It doesn't seem a large enough segment to mean anything. If I compare only larger matches I find them on a different chromosome with fewer of the ICW matches FF gives me. Same with Gedmatch. Can someone explain if these are really matches? Chris

We'll miss you this weekend, Jim! 23andMe allows us to compare all of our matches to each other (that we are sharing with) and they are much stricter about privacy than FTDNA, so I think it is likely that this feature can be added there. CeCe Moore www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > From: jim4bartletts@verizon.net > Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 13:44:21 -0500 > To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] ICW - and small segments > > Emily > > Thanks. I regret that I will not be at the FTDNA conference this year, due to other family commitments. I hope the blogs cover all the official, and side-line items. > > However, just using my spreadsheet (sorted on Chr and Start), and a growing list of Common Ancestors, I have been able to assign over 80% of my atDNA. I am now at about 450 segments covering all of both sets of chromosomes. I try to get as close to 7cM on each, but many segments are a little larger (if a 12cM segment were really two 6cM segments further back, I wouldn't get any matches on those more distant ancestors as the segments are below threshold) > > BTW, if FTDNA thinks a capability to compare the data of two Matches violates a privacy issue, give each of us the option to be compared after we "sign" a consent form. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Nov 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, "Emily Aulicino" <aulicino@hevanet.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Jim, for clarifying/backing me up! > > > > The ability to determine if two of a person's matches match each other > > (determining HIRs) will be a hot topic at the FTDNA conference this year (on > > the side lines, that is.) I will be pushing for it as will others, no > > doubt. With the size of our matches list and the pains taking time to ask > > and get replies, this needs to be implemented by every company, IMO. > > > > E > > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jim, for clarifying/backing me up! The ability to determine if two of a person's matches match each other (determining HIRs) will be a hot topic at the FTDNA conference this year (on the side lines, that is.) I will be pushing for it as will others, no doubt. With the size of our matches list and the pains taking time to ask and get replies, this needs to be implemented by every company, IMO. E -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 10:07 AM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] ICW - and small segments Chris That's the problem with ICW (and FTDNA), there is no way there to compare two other people. ICW means the two people have a shared segment (I presume to be 7.7cM, or more) somewhere. ICW does not say where, so you don't know if it's on the same segment that they both share with you. Much of the time it is (I don't know what percentage), but often it is not. To verify an ICW is indeed a Triangulation with you, you need to ask them where their shared segment is. If they are both on GEDmatch it's easy. If they both also have 23andMe kits, it's easy. If neither of these two, and they won't respond to your emails, you're stuck. Even if two people share the same segment with you, you cannot be sure that it's on the same chromosome (parent's side), unless they match each other on that segment (which you can't see at FTDNA). 1cM matches don't count in Triangulation - almost any two people could have a 1cM match. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Nov 4, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> wrote: > I am not sure how to think about the ICW feature. When I use it and > then compare to my chromosome browser or spreadsheet, I get no > matching chromosomes unless I look at 1 cm. > Can that be right? It doesn't seem a large enough segment to mean anything. > If I compare only larger matches I find them on a different chromosome > with fewer of the ICW matches FF gives me. Same with Gedmatch. > > Can someone explain if these are really matches? > > Chris ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FTDNA's term Triangulate is misleading and should be changed, IMO. All the ICW tells you is that those people have matching segments with you and the person you choose. It, in NO WAY, suggests that you have the same half-identical region. If two people you choose do match on the same chromosome, it can guide you to asking them if they show a match with each other in that locale. Thus you can determine if they share an HIR. So the people you see are your matches and the person with whom you are comparing those others do have a match with everyone listed. If you see some on the same area of the same chromosome and you ask each who match in that locale if they match each other and they do, then there is a common ancestor among all of you who match in that area. If the people do not match each other on their own chromosome browser, one of them is from your mom's side and one from your dad's. Maybe someday FTDNA will let us actually see where our matches match each other so we can really call it triangulation! IMO, 1 cM is useless for what we generally do. E -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Christina Hunt Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 9:22 AM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] ICW - and small segments I am not sure how to think about the ICW feature. When I use it and then compare to my chromosome browser or spreadsheet, I get no matching chromosomes unless I look at 1 cm. Can that be right? It doesn't seem a large enough segment to mean anything. If I compare only larger matches I find them on a different chromosome with fewer of the ICW matches FF gives me. Same with Gedmatch. Can someone explain if these are really matches? Chris ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All I reported a few weeks ago an error with one of my cousin matches not matching Dad when it should have and asked if the update to family finder page might have caused a problem. I also mention that one of my matches was there, then gone and there again. FT DNA responded last week and said "After looking into it further, it appears that our entire Family Finder database is being rerun. This has affected some people's matching, raw data, etc." They updated earlier this week as my matches changed. Some more distant cousins moved closer and I gained some new closer cousins and lost a few from last week or they were made more distant cousins. I noticed that segment lengths change or total cMs changed for those moving closer or more distant. I am not sure the problem is fixed yet. Dad is still missing a cousin match and I have not heard back from Family Tree DNA yet who wished to know this. They maybe still working on the database and I expect, they will put a message on our home page once they have completed what they are doing. Karen On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Fred Westcott <fredwes1@mindspring.com>wrote: > New run at FTDNA ? > For those that regularly update their autosomal spreadsheets you might > want to run the current version of Family Finder again either your > spreadsheet or an older version of Family Finder. I did so with a > 10/20/2013 version and found 22 new matches with dates in months before > October 2013, but also some dated 2010, 2011, 2012. Few of these were > above 10cM. > > What was odd was that many dates were changed by 1 to 5 days. Why would > they do that ? Very strange. > > I noted many "longest segment" values are changed but few go beyond 2cM. > One went from 12cM to 17.5cM but was the exception. > Even more "total segment" values were changed but not by much except for > close or immediate relatives. > > I found I lost two matches, both were slightly above 10cM. > > FTDNA needs to include a " Newly included in your database" feature, at > least for new matches with older dates. I would be nice if they alert us of > changes in cM values above a threshold, or a change in a relationship > range, or even alert us of a new run that may change any of the above. > > I've sent a query to Helpdesk. > > Fred > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Casey Well... It's hard to guarantee anything in this business. I don't usually use any segment below 5cM, unless it's a known close relative - and even then I shade them in tan to warn me it might be IBS. I would really get some more Matches for what you are trying to do - 23andMe and GEDmatch. You need others to Triangulate with longer segments. To Triangulate with what you have, you need to contact all the Matches that might give you a clue. If you use 5cM segments, you need to contact those Matches. I don't think matches below 5cM have much significance in most cases. I have compared myself against many non-Matches at GEDmatch to the 1cM level and often get a dozen or so "matching" segments with them. So matching on small segments doesn't usually mean anything. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Nov 1, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Casey's Ancestors <caseysancestors@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks Jim! > > Match #2 has no matches (besides me) over 6cM matching our segment. My 5.0-6.5cM segment matches that triangulate with match #2 match her between 3-5.3cM - should I contact those 5 testers? I had not done that because of the segment size. > > I have a known 3rd cousin (match #3) from this line that doesn't triangulate in common with match #1. When I compare match #1 & 3 in the chromosome browser I find 3 possible matches. Each of those are about 3cM on 3 different chromosomes (ch 8, 11 & 12). One of those segments also matches #2 1.85cM. Does this have any significance in this situation? Neither match #1 or 3 will upload to gedmatch. > > Thanks again, > Casey > > > > > >

Linda, Thanks for the url. I read through all the posts. It looks like it's a just-sit-and-wait situation. I am not doing anything with my spreadsheet until it all settles down and maybe in a week we will know whether the new matches and values are reliable. I just now reran my account through dnagedcom.com and compared it to the last version. Other than all of the new matches with old dates or the loss of several matches, the differences are primarily 1. in a change in either a segment start point or an endpoint resulting in a small gain or loss in cM, or 2. the addition or subtraction of a small segment. So the biggest concern for me is whether the new matches with old dates, and the loss of old matches, are real, and when this happens how do we discover it. Fred -----Original Message----- >From: Linda Boorom <lboorom@fuse.net> >Sent: Nov 1, 2013 2:02 PM >To: Fred Westcott <fredwes1@mindspring.com>, autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Family Finder: new matches with older dates > >Fred & all, > >I noticed a discussion this am at FTDNA's forum's in the Family Finder section with a topic >"Meaningless October 2013 Match Dates". Made me look at my own data & I responded to the forum this >am

Fred & all, I noticed a discussion this am at FTDNA's forum's in the Family Finder section with a topic "Meaningless October 2013 Match Dates". Made me look at my own data & I responded to the forum this am "Comparing my matches today from 2 weeks ago, I gained 12 & lost 2. Most of the dates go back to Oct 2012 when my own results were uploaded, but only 1 was listed as a match at that time, but I lost as a match in April. 8 of the 12 "new" matches are in common with one or the other of my parents and they have shown as matches to them since their results were uploaded in April. Some slight changes with both of my parents between last month & today: Dad total cM's shared was 3379.88 now 3383.64 Mom total cM's shared was 3382.86 now 3383.73 I compared the chromosome browser info. between my mom & myself, from last month & today, noticed a few segments where the start, stop, cM & SNP's changed, but not on all segments. Enough changes, however slight, that I guess a new combined data base is in order. sigh!" Someone named Rick posted on page 6 that he contacted the help desk yesterday and he posted their responses. http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=33653&page=6 Something is going on, wonder how long it will take for them to complete? Don't want to start redoing my databases until whatever they are doing is complete. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Fred Westcott Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 12:33 PM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Family Finder: new matches with older dates Emily and Cece, Good point, it may be Build 37. I'll compare start and end points of current and previous editions and see if there is a difference. Fred ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jim! Match #2 has no matches (besides me) over 6cM matching our segment.  My 5.0-6.5cM segment matches that triangulate with match #2 match her between 3-5.3cM - should I contact those 5 testers?  I had not done that because of the segment size.    I have a known 3rd cousin (match #3) from this line that doesn't triangulate in common with match #1.  When I compare match #1 & 3 in the chromosome browser I find 3 possible matches.  Each of those are about 3cM on 3 different chromosomes (ch 8, 11 & 12).  One of those segments also matches #2 1.85cM.  Does this have any significance in this situation?  Neither match #1 or 3 will upload to gedmatch. Thanks again, Casey

Emily and Cece, Good point, it may be Build 37. I'll compare start and end points of current and previous editions and see if there is a difference. Fred

I wonder if the new matches with older dates might be results tested earlier, but transferred recently, from 23andme and/or ancestry.com. Mary On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:04, Fred Westcott <fredwes1@mindspring.com> wrote: > New run at FTDNA ? > For those that regularly update their autosomal spreadsheets you might want to run the current version of Family Finder again either your spreadsheet or an older version of Family Finder. I did so with a 10/20/2013 version and found 22 new matches with dates in months before October 2013, but also some dated 2010, 2011, 2012. Few of these were above 10cM. > > What was odd was that many dates were changed by 1 to 5 days. Why would they do that ? Very strange. > > I noted many "longest segment" values are changed but few go beyond 2cM. One went from 12cM to 17.5cM but was the exception. > Even more "total segment" values were changed but not by much except for close or immediate relatives. > > I found I lost two matches, both were slightly above 10cM. > > FTDNA needs to include a " Newly included in your database" feature, at least for new matches with older dates. I would be nice if they alert us of changes in cM values above a threshold, or a change in a relationship range, or even alert us of a new run that may change any of the above. > > I've sent a query to Helpdesk. > > Fred > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

New run at FTDNA ? For those that regularly update their autosomal spreadsheets you might want to run the current version of Family Finder again either your spreadsheet or an older version of Family Finder. I did so with a 10/20/2013 version and found 22 new matches with dates in months before October 2013, but also some dated 2010, 2011, 2012. Few of these were above 10cM. What was odd was that many dates were changed by 1 to 5 days. Why would they do that ? Very strange. I noted many "longest segment" values are changed but few go beyond 2cM. One went from 12cM to 17.5cM but was the exception. Even more "total segment" values were changed but not by much except for close or immediate relatives. I found I lost two matches, both were slightly above 10cM. FTDNA needs to include a " Newly included in your database" feature, at least for new matches with older dates. I would be nice if they alert us of changes in cM values above a threshold, or a change in a relationship range, or even alert us of a new run that may change any of the above. I've sent a query to Helpdesk. Fred

As the natural continuation of the discussion about the X-axis in chromosome painting graphics that appeared on one of these DNA lists recently, I would like to ask the obvious question: How are the (combination of reference population probabilities) values assigned to the Y-axis calculated? The reason I ask is because I have triangulated a (10+ cM) segment of my dad's chromosome 2 to his paternal line (viz., it descends from a so-many-greats Bonner ancestor). At about the 160M mark in the Dodecad K12b calculator (e.g.), there is a big peak of Southwest Asian - so much so that it crowds out all the other populations to exclusivity for about 1M bp (gedmatch F209176, if you want to follow along). Now I get a list of all the SNPs in that region and check out the SNP reference similar to this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects/SNP/snp_ref.cgi?rs=[PUT rsID HERE]#maintab And go down to "population diversity" and check out the numbers... I was surprised that there is very little difference between the populations, and I don't see how one could get a near 100% (as depicted in the chromosome painter) from the values in the population diversity sections, or anything like it. Are the populations shown in the chromosome painter dependent on adjacent SNP population prediction, or are the populations assigned to each SNP independent? Is this the product of serious, high-level statistical "teasing" of the data? Is there any place online that shows a sample calculation for one or more SNPs? I'd like to follow along before I make comments about how my dad's DNA is partly Asian in origin. When I look at the population diversity information, those SNPs look just as European to my untrained eye. Best, Gregg Bonner

Good point, Emily. I know that they reran the entire database, but I didn't ask if it was Build 37. That makes sense though. CeCe Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Emily Aulicino Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 8:29 AM To: 'Fred Westcott'; autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Reply To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Family Finder: new matches with older dates Fred, Could this be that FTDNA has completed the Build 37 update? I know it is due any time and no doubt they want it done before conference. Just a thought. E -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fred Westcott Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 7:04 AM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Family Finder: new matches with older dates New run at FTDNA ? For those that regularly update their autosomal spreadsheets you might want to run the current version of Family Finder again either your spreadsheet or an older version of Family Finder. I did so with a 10/20/2013 version and found 22 new matches with dates in months before October 2013, but also some dated 2010, 2011, 2012. Few of these were above 10cM. What was odd was that many dates were changed by 1 to 5 days. Why would they do that ? Very strange. I noted many "longest segment" values are changed but few go beyond 2cM. One went from 12cM to 17.5cM but was the exception. Even more "total segment" values were changed but not by much except for close or immediate relatives. I found I lost two matches, both were slightly above 10cM. FTDNA needs to include a " Newly included in your database" feature, at least for new matches with older dates. I would be nice if they alert us of changes in cM values above a threshold, or a change in a relationship range, or even alert us of a new run that may change any of the above. I've sent a query to Helpdesk. Fred ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fred, Could this be that FTDNA has completed the Build 37 update? I know it is due any time and no doubt they want it done before conference. Just a thought. E -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fred Westcott Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 7:04 AM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Family Finder: new matches with older dates New run at FTDNA ? For those that regularly update their autosomal spreadsheets you might want to run the current version of Family Finder again either your spreadsheet or an older version of Family Finder. I did so with a 10/20/2013 version and found 22 new matches with dates in months before October 2013, but also some dated 2010, 2011, 2012. Few of these were above 10cM. What was odd was that many dates were changed by 1 to 5 days. Why would they do that ? Very strange. I noted many "longest segment" values are changed but few go beyond 2cM. One went from 12cM to 17.5cM but was the exception. Even more "total segment" values were changed but not by much except for close or immediate relatives. I found I lost two matches, both were slightly above 10cM. FTDNA needs to include a " Newly included in your database" feature, at least for new matches with older dates. I would be nice if they alert us of changes in cM values above a threshold, or a change in a relationship range, or even alert us of a new run that may change any of the above. I've sent a query to Helpdesk. Fred ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Casey, 63cM is very close to what we'd expect with a 3rd cousin, but with the randomness of atDNA, almost anything is possible. What I'd do is look on GEDmatch for others who match on this segment, and work with them. A 63cM segment is probably a combination of segments from more distant ancestors. So look for those more distant ancestor with other Matches on this segment. When you find them with a Match, you'll know what line beyond the Common Ancestor the DNA came from and you'll have a better picture of where Match #1 fits in. Be open to any possibility.... Also look for Common Ancestors with others who match on the other shared segments with Match #1. Jim Bartlett On 10/31/13, Casey's Ancestors<caseysancestors@yahoo.com> wrote: My #1 match at FTDNA is 63cM/13644 SNPs. #1 appears to triangulate with #2. I match #2 on the same segment of chromosome 9 - 25cM/4750 SNPs. FTDNA guesses match #1 to be 2nd-4th cousin and #2 to be 3rd-5th. My 4x great-grandmother has the same surname as: Match #2 - 3x great-grandmother Match #1 - 2x great-grandmother thru 5x great-grandfather All lived in the same/neighboring counties at the same time. Best case/most closely related scenario - all 3 of us share common 5x great-grandparents making us all 6th cousins. I am confident in match #1's 5x great-grandparents. My 4x great-grandmother is the right age and correct name to possibly fit here as daughter of match 1's 5x greats but it's just a guess. Match #2's fit is a total guess - there is a son of the 5x greats who would be of correct age to parent the 3x great-grandmother, but she could easily be a further match than this. My question is can a 63cM matching segment actually not be closer related than 6th cousins?? Match #1 & I share a total of 80cM while match #2 & I total 43.8 - all the other segments under 3cM. Thanks! Casey

My #1 match at FTDNA is 63cM/13644 SNPs.  #1 appears to triangulate with #2.  I match #2 on the same segment of chromosome 9 - 25cM/4750 SNPs. FTDNA guesses match #1 to be 2nd-4th cousin and #2 to be 3rd-5th.   My 4x great-grandmother has the same surname as: Match #2 - 3x great-grandmother Match #1 - 2x great-grandmother thru 5x great-grandfather All lived in the same/neighboring counties at the same time.  Best case/most closely related scenario - all 3 of us share common 5x great-grandparents making us all 6th cousins.  I am confident in match #1's 5x great-grandparents.  My 4x great-grandmother is the right age and correct name to possibly fit here as daughter of match 1's 5x greats but it's just a guess.  Match #2's fit is a total guess - there is a son of the 5x greats who would be of correct age to parent the 3x great-grandmother, but she could easily be a further match than this.    My question is can a 63cM matching segment actually not be closer related than 6th cousins??  Match #1 & I share a total of 80cM while match #2 & I total 43.8 - all the other segments under 3cM.  Thanks! Casey 

That was the kind of feedback information I was looking for! I knew my cousin could register for an Ancestry.com guest account, but knew I'd probably be the one managing it, at least at the beginning, and also knew I wanted to be able to play around (work?) with names and places. I wonder if the below is why most of my recent matches with Ancestry.com seem to have private trees? Appreciate the experience based advise. Thanks! On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Allen <KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: > CeCe and others, > I had many problems with the Registered guest account. The Main one being > that my tree would show as private to matches and I would get requests to > pay for an additional account. Ancestry finally moved my test to the main > account so that my matches see it at that account. I could see the test > from > both accounts but matches could not and it kept asking for more $$$. > > They changed something when they went live as it worked fine till then. I > would recommend that you work from one account unless you feel like paying > for more thaan one. > > Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CeCe Moore" <cecemoore@hotmail.com> > To: "Autossomal DNA List" <autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Sharing Ancestry DNA results with test taker > (cousin) > > > > You can share access from two different accounts. If it is purchased > > through your account, but they register it, then it will show up in both > > of your accounts. > > > > CeCe Moore > > www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 07:44:23 -0700 > >> From: just23gen@gmail.com > >> To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Sharing Ancestry DNA results with test taker > >> (cousin) > > > > > > I've a cousin who is willing to take an autosomal test. For a variety of > > reasons, and given the current tools amongst the various companies, it > > would be better for me if he were to take AncestryDNA's autosomal test. > > He's not a genealogist/family historian, though his brother is (and has > > Ancestry.com trees, although he may not be active). > > What's the best way for both of us to see his results and matches (I'll > be > > paying for the test)? > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please > see: > > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

CeCe and others, I had many problems with the Registered guest account. The Main one being that my tree would show as private to matches and I would get requests to pay for an additional account. Ancestry finally moved my test to the main account so that my matches see it at that account. I could see the test from both accounts but matches could not and it kept asking for more $$$. They changed something when they went live as it worked fine till then. I would recommend that you work from one account unless you feel like paying for more thaan one. Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "CeCe Moore" <cecemoore@hotmail.com> To: "Autossomal DNA List" <autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Sharing Ancestry DNA results with test taker (cousin) > You can share access from two different accounts. If it is purchased > through your account, but they register it, then it will show up in both > of your accounts. > > CeCe Moore > www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > > >> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 07:44:23 -0700 >> From: just23gen@gmail.com >> To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Sharing Ancestry DNA results with test taker >> (cousin) > > I should know (or be able to find) the answer to this, but am coming up > short. > I've a cousin who is willing to take an autosomal test. For a variety of > reasons, and given the current tools amongst the various companies, it > would be better for me if he were to take AncestryDNA's autosomal test. > He's not a genealogist/family historian, though his brother is (and has > Ancestry.com trees, although he may not be active). > What's the best way for both of us to see his results and matches (I'll be > paying for the test)? He may choose to go with 23andme for the all around > value to him and his family, but wanted to know what AncestryDNA's sharing > capabilities are before I lay out the options. > Thank you, > Mary > > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message