Dear Ann, Yes, it would be reasonable to assume that there may well be one or more errors in your mom's data. There could also be errors in the matches' data. You can compare with these people in GEDmatch or do your own evaluation of the raw data files if you want to. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of AGilchrest@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 4:41 PM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Matching conclusion question Hello Matching conclusion I have a matching situation that I would like to know if I can make a conclusion from and what that conclusion might be. My aunt and I have two matches with each other who do not match my mother who is my aunt's sister. They are as follows: Chromosome 8 118636875 126009134 12.56 1993 Chromosome 8 118982372 125751706 11.32 1793 Chromosome 5 148671072 158756364 10.67 2700 Chromosome 5 148671072 159399329 11.28 2900 Can I make a tentative conclusion that there may be a miss call or error with my mother? Thank you, Ann Gilchrest

http://dna-explained.com/2013/12/15/one-chromosome-two-sides-no-zipper-icw-a nd-the-matrix/ I've tried to distill all of this into something helpful. This is one of the toughest articles I think I've ever written. Maybe second to "The Autosomal Me" series:) Roberta Estes

I am looking at a segment match between my mother and her sister and a Mr. Smith. The match is as follows: Mom & Mr. Smith match on Chromosome 4 start position 126699718 end position 138696900. cM's 8.80, Total SNP's 2100 My Aunt & Mr. Smith match on Chromosome 4 start position 81630475 end position 138696900 cM's 46.80, Total SNPs 11,157 This is the first time I have seen such a huge difference in a match. Is this due to recombination? And how siblings may receive there DNA? Thank you, Ann Gilchrest

Dear Ann, The amount of DNA that two distant cousins share in common can vary substantially. You are seeing a manifestation of that here. In some cases one sibling will share quite a bit of DNA with a specific distant cousin (but still within specific parameters depending on the genealogical relationship) and another sibling will share little or none. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of AGilchrest@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:34 PM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Drastic difference in segment size I am looking at a segment match between my mother and her sister and a Mr. Smith. The match is as follows: Mom & Mr. Smith match on Chromosome 4 start position 126699718 end position 138696900. cM's 8.80, Total SNP's 2100 My Aunt & Mr. Smith match on Chromosome 4 start position 81630475 end position 138696900 cM's 46.80, Total SNPs 11,157 This is the first time I have seen such a huge difference in a match. Is this due to recombination? And how siblings may receive there DNA? Thank you, Ann Gilchrest

Using AncestryDNA: Steps for Success http://throughthetreesblog.tumblr.com/post/69923962243/using-ancestrydna-steps-for-success Very Respectfully, Shannon -- Mr. Shannon S. Christmas

FTDNA is at it again: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2013/12/family-tree-dnas-latest-updates.html CeCe Moore www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com

yes -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rhonda simpson Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 10:35 AM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Determining lines of ancestry I am trying to determine my minimal Ashkenazi line. My sister and I both carry between 3 and 4%, my mother has none. My father’s sister just tested and she is 10%. None of us are showing Ashkenazi on our X Chromosome. Can we assume with some degree of certainty that our Jewish ancestry is on my father’s father’s line? ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've tried to distill this to the basics. I know that individual situations can be more complex, but I think this is a good starting place for people who want to understand how and why to do chromosome mapping and what it can do for you. http://dna-explained.com/2013/12/09/chromosome-mapping-aka-ancestor-mapping/ Roberta Estes

Oh my apologies to everyone on the list!!!!!!!!!!!! My last mail was supposed to go to FTDNA, not Diana and the list. Hmmm...dont usually do things like this Katie -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Diana Gale Matthiesen Verzonden: maandag 9 december 2013 11:36 Aan: AUTOSOMAL-DNA@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] $10 coupon from FTDNA Just in case you haven't noticed... If you have not uploaded a GEDCOM to your FTDNA member page, there is a $10 coupon on your member page, which you will receive for uploading your GEDCOM. Given that you should be uploading one *anyway*, this is a nice little enticement. I have an FAQ on creating one for upload, and I do recommend creating one just for this purpose: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/FAQs.html#GEDCOM If you've only been Y-DNA tested, you need to supply only your patrilineal line genealogy. If you've only been mtDNA tested, you need to supply only your matrilineal line genealogy. If you've been FamilyFinder tested, you need to supply as complete a GEDCOM as possible. It's a matter of debate whether you should include tentative or iffy connections in your pedigree. I've seen mis-leading errors in client's GEDCOMs, so my recommendation is to include only your proven connections. Don't waste that Coupon, it's good on future testing! Diana ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks So what about those of us who have already uploaded a gedcom??? Don't we deserve a reduction coupon as well???? Especially those of us outside the US to whom the dinner voucher is no use.... Thanks again... And generally speaking: keep up the good work Katie de Haan The Netherlands -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Diana Gale Matthiesen Verzonden: maandag 9 december 2013 11:36 Aan: AUTOSOMAL-DNA@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] $10 coupon from FTDNA Just in case you haven't noticed... If you have not uploaded a GEDCOM to your FTDNA member page, there is a $10 coupon on your member page, which you will receive for uploading your GEDCOM. Given that you should be uploading one *anyway*, this is a nice little enticement. I have an FAQ on creating one for upload, and I do recommend creating one just for this purpose: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/FAQs.html#GEDCOM If you've only been Y-DNA tested, you need to supply only your patrilineal line genealogy. If you've only been mtDNA tested, you need to supply only your matrilineal line genealogy. If you've been FamilyFinder tested, you need to supply as complete a GEDCOM as possible. It's a matter of debate whether you should include tentative or iffy connections in your pedigree. I've seen mis-leading errors in client's GEDCOMs, so my recommendation is to include only your proven connections. Don't waste that Coupon, it's good on future testing! Diana ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to determine my minimal Ashkenazi line. My sister and I both carry between 3 and 4%, my mother has none. My father’s sister just tested and she is 10%. None of us are showing Ashkenazi on our X Chromosome. Can we assume with some degree of certainty that our Jewish ancestry is on my father’s father’s line?

Dear Rhonda, It is likely that the Jewish ancestry is on your paternal grandfather's line, but don't entirely eliminate your paternal grandmother's line from consideration. I would test some first cousins of your father's on both sides of the family before you draw more firm conclusions in this regard. Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rhonda simpson Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:35 AM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Determining lines of ancestry I am trying to determine my minimal Ashkenazi line. My sister and I both carry between 3 and 4%, my mother has none. My father’s sister just tested and she is 10%. None of us are showing Ashkenazi on our X Chromosome. Can we assume with some degree of certainty that our Jewish ancestry is on my father’s father’s line?

Just in case you haven't noticed... If you have not uploaded a GEDCOM to your FTDNA member page, there is a $10 coupon on your member page, which you will receive for uploading your GEDCOM. Given that you should be uploading one *anyway*, this is a nice little enticement. I have an FAQ on creating one for upload, and I do recommend creating one just for this purpose: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/FAQs.html#GEDCOM If you've only been Y-DNA tested, you need to supply only your patrilineal line genealogy. If you've only been mtDNA tested, you need to supply only your matrilineal line genealogy. If you've been FamilyFinder tested, you need to supply as complete a GEDCOM as possible. It's a matter of debate whether you should include tentative or iffy connections in your pedigree. I've seen mis-leading errors in client's GEDCOMs, so my recommendation is to include only your proven connections. Don't waste that Coupon, it's good on future testing! Diana

23andMe has released a sample v4 file. I have posted an analysis of it with the help of Tim Janzen and Larry Vick here: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2013/12/23andme-releases-sample-of-their-new-v4.html CeCe Moore www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com

Peter, They will have to delete their kits then re-upload again so they can also upload their X data. Since this process will result in their not being able to use the one to many function until their kits are processed again, I suggest they wait until the current backlog is completed. This may take two or more weeks. Once the backlog has been handled Gedmatch expects processing to be much quicker. Curtis Rogers On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Peter J. Roberts <peterebay@yahoo.com>wrote: > Two of my cousins uploaded their Family Finder results to GEDmatch about a > year ago. They have a large number of atDNA matches but no X chromosome > matches there. Can I assume they did not upload their X chromosome files? > Can I simply instruct them to upload them without causing any confusion for > the GEDmatch software? > > Thanks and sincerely, Peter > > Peter J. Roberts > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just added a 12th cousin to my family's FF matching table, and I think it illustrates well the *typical* usefulness of aDNA testing: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/aDNA/FF_DAVIS-RAMSEY_CLARK-JONES.html#matches Most of the matching is between the eight descendants of Thomas THOMPSON & Delilah DAVIS, who are four to six generations removed from them. Step back one generation, to Delilah's parents, and the number of matches falls off. Step back another generation, to Delilah's paternal grandparents, and there's no matching, at all. By chance, there's one distant match with Delilah's maternal grandparents. Please feel free to link to this page, if you wish. I know I'm going to find it useful in illustrating to my project members the depth limitations of aDNA testing. Yes, I know with work you can get further back, but I'm referring to what they can expect to see on their FTDNA member page and why they should not expect it to solve issues in their deep ancestry. Diana

That's great news.Thanks Emily Karen On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Emily Aulicino <aulicino@hevanet.com> wrote: > There was mention at the conference that they are in the works. > > -----Original Message----- > From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Hodges > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:23 AM > To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] FTDNA's promised updates... > > Thanks for posting CeCe. > > Do you know if X DNA tools or matches might be in future updates? > > Karen > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM, CeCe Moore <cecemoore@hotmail.com> wrote: >> FTDNA has some terrific updates today, including the ability to download > ALL matching segment data! >> >> Details here: >> >> > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2013/12/ftdna-releases-updates-in-resp > onse-to.html >> >> CeCe Moore >> www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________ >> For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: >> http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for posting CeCe. Do you know if X DNA tools or matches might be in future updates? Karen On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM, CeCe Moore <cecemoore@hotmail.com> wrote: > FTDNA has some terrific updates today, including the ability to download ALL matching segment data! > > Details here: > > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2013/12/ftdna-releases-updates-in-response-to.html > > CeCe Moore > www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a project member living in France who has zero Family Finder matches. She is half-Asian. Debbie

My husband only has a couple and he lives in the US and is of Italian ancestry (all four grandparents emigrated from either Italy or Sicily.)...It happens. E -----Original Message----- From: autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:autosomal-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Kennett Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:06 AM To: autosomal-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Family Finder Matches I have a project member living in France who has zero Family Finder matches. She is half-Asian. Debbie ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message