Please don't put someone's name in the Subject of your message: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html#name_in_subject And please don't alter the Subject, unless the subject has actually changed, because any change in the Subject breaks the thread: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html Diana AUTOSOMAL-DNA ListAdmin

Corrected post with link to a beta autosomal phasing tool. Note, tool is windows command line. If you are not comfortable with windows command line wait for a later version http://www.exploreDNA.com/files/GenComp1.1.zip Diana, Mary Alice is exactly correct. The match threshold for FTDNA or 23andMe, while reasonable for screening out difficult matches to find and real false positives, is not appropriate for identifying matches between known, or strongly suspected relatives. There are alternatives like Dr Pike's utilities http://www.math.mun.ca/%7Edapike/FF23utils/ Dr Pike's utilities do require having a downloaded copy of the raw data involved. But, the Raw Data is never uploaded. The beta phasing tool in this thread can also be used to examine the Raw Data more closely https://www.23andme.com/you/community/thread/11466/#most_recent www.GEDmatch.com requires uploading the Raw Data Sam

We have tested  4 siblings, a first cousin once removed, two second cousins and one third cousin from the same line.  The last person tested was the third cousin.  All of us match one another, except for the third cousin.  She and I do not match each other.  (I am the one who paid for her test....LOL!)  This is the perfect example of the randomness of autosomal DNA inheritance :o) Mary Mitchell Guler ________________________________ ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Diana, you are right to wonder, but it can happen. Even with a 3rd cousin 10 percent will not show a match. Since you are one generation closer to the other cousins, it makes sense that you match them, especially since the difference between them is on the border of where autosomal inheritance falls off dramatically (between 3rd and 4th cousin). The fact that no match shows at all between any of the comparisons with this particular "cousin" is a little suspect, but you are lucky that the others all do match because a pair of full 4th cousins has only about a 50 percent chance of matching. If you feel comfortable with Gedmatch, I would upload everyone there and see if there are a number of matching segments under FF's threshold, especially overlapping ones among you all. If not, I would start wondering about the possibility of a NPE on their line that intersects with yours. CeCe Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:50:23 To: <[email protected]> Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] unexpected non-match I'm still a novice when it come to FF, so please bear with me... In addition to myself, I have just tested three cousins, all of us descended from my 6th great-grandparents, Isaac DAVIS & Sarah JONES. One cousin is descended from their son, Benjamin DAVIS, while the other three of us are descended from their daughter, Delilah DAVIS, wife of Thomas THOMPSON.  Their relationships to me are: Descendant of Benjamin DAVIS DAVIS - 4th cousin 1R Descendants of Delilah's son, John THOMPSON THOMPSON-A - 4th cousin THOMPSON-B - 3rd cousin 1R Descendant of Delilah's son, George THOMPSON moi I have access to all four accounts, and on the Matches tab for FamilyFinder, the relationships between me and the two THOMPSONs pop right up on the first page of our matches lists, each with a prediction of 3rd cousin (2nd-4th).  The DAVIS not only doesn't pop up on the first page, he doesn't show up as a match at any level for me or the other two THOMPSONs. I checked the paper genealogy of all three before paying for their tests, but am I right to wonder, now, if this DAVIS is really related to us? Diana ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For the THOMPSON who is my 3rd cousin (1R), the Shared cM is 75.25 and the Longest Block is 19.48. For the THOMPSON who is my 4th cousin, the Shared cM is 63.19 and the Longest Block is 25.65. The thing is, I tested the DAVIS first, and when we didn't have even a Distant match, I put it off to chance. The results for both THOMPSONs came back, today, and all three of us match exactly as expected (2nd-4th cousin), but now none of us matches the DAVIS, it seems to me beyond mere chance. It's taken years to find a patrilineal descendant of Isaac DAVIS to test, and now it's looking like he may not be one. To not match, at all, suggests a hidden adoption, as opposed to an illicit paternity. This would be even more of a blow to him than to me, so I'm not going to say anything until I've found and tested another patrilineal descendant of Isaac. I hope it doesn't take another eight years to find the second one! Diana > From: M. A. Farrell > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:05 AM > > Diana, maybe that cousin's amount of dna matching yours is just too > small to make it to a "match' level. What is the amount of matching > dna the others have with you? > Mary Alice

I'm still a novice when it come to FF, so please bear with me... In addition to myself, I have just tested three cousins, all of us descended from my 6th great-grandparents, Isaac DAVIS & Sarah JONES. One cousin is descended from their son, Benjamin DAVIS, while the other three of us are descended from their daughter, Delilah DAVIS, wife of Thomas THOMPSON. Their relationships to me are: Descendant of Benjamin DAVIS DAVIS - 4th cousin 1R Descendants of Delilah's son, John THOMPSON THOMPSON-A - 4th cousin THOMPSON-B - 3rd cousin 1R Descendant of Delilah's son, George THOMPSON moi I have access to all four accounts, and on the Matches tab for FamilyFinder, the relationships between me and the two THOMPSONs pop right up on the first page of our matches lists, each with a prediction of 3rd cousin (2nd-4th). The DAVIS not only doesn't pop up on the first page, he doesn't show up as a match at any level for me or the other two THOMPSONs. I checked the paper genealogy of all three before paying for their tests, but am I right to wonder, now, if this DAVIS is really related to us? Diana

Put the Davis results into GedMatch, including his chromosome browser upload and matches, and you might find matches in common there, which includes 23Me people.. Can't hurt to look. Mary Alice ..................you wrote........................ For the THOMPSON who is my 3rd cousin (1R), the Shared cM is 75.25 and the Longest Block is 19.48. For the THOMPSON who is my 4th cousin, the Shared cM is 63.19 and the Longest Block is 25.65. The thing is, I tested the DAVIS first, and when we didn't have even a Distant match, I put it off to chance. The results for both THOMPSONs came back, today, and all three of us match exactly as expected (2nd-4th cousin), but now none of us matches the DAVIS, it seems to me beyond mere chance. It's taken years to find a patrilineal descendant of Isaac DAVIS to test, and now it's looking like he may not be one. To not match, at all, suggests a hidden adoption, as opposed to an illicit paternity. This would be even more of a blow to him than to me, so I'm not going to say anything until I've found and tested another patrilineal descendant of Isaac. I hope it doesn't take another eight years to find the second one! ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Diana, maybe that cousin's amount of dna matching yours is just too small to make it to a "match' level. What is the amount of matching dna the others have with you? Mary Alice ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Diana, I have a known cousin, her ggg-grandmother and my ggg-grandfather are brother and sister. She and I do not have an atDNA match, BUT we both have a match to a man who is a descendant, we think, of the brother of our gggg-grandfather. Go figure. Either situation is possible with your non-match. Marleen Van Horne

I have a number of matches of good size that start on the left arm of a chromosome and extend across the center on into the right arm. I thought that the matches from one arm of a chromosome were from one parent and those on the other arm from the other parent. Mary Lou

Does it matter if the crossing match is on the X chromosome? Actually it's a match between grandmother, mother, and daughter. Same place, same size. Quoting tewilder <[email protected]>: > No, there are two copies of the chromosome, one from each parent, and > each copy has its own centromere. > > The problem with segments that cross the centromere is that the > centromere is snip-poor, so it is hard to be assured that it really is > one uninterrupted segment. FTDNA and 23andMe differ on whether to count > these as one big or two smaller segments. > > On 2/4/2012 9:04 AM, Mary Lou Ramsey wrote: >> I have a number of matches of good size that start on the left arm of a >> chromosome and extend across the center on into the right arm. >> >> I thought that the matches from one arm of a chromosome were from one >> parent and those on the other arm from the other parent. >> Mary Lou >> >> >> ______________________________ >> For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: >> http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

No, there are two copies of the chromosome, one from each parent, and each copy has its own centromere. The problem with segments that cross the centromere is that the centromere is snip-poor, so it is hard to be assured that it really is one uninterrupted segment. FTDNA and 23andMe differ on whether to count these as one big or two smaller segments. On 2/4/2012 9:04 AM, Mary Lou Ramsey wrote: > I have a number of matches of good size that start on the left arm of a > chromosome and extend across the center on into the right arm. > > I thought that the matches from one arm of a chromosome were from one > parent and those on the other arm from the other parent. > Mary Lou > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Same thing for me too. Dave(NZ) ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen Zander [[email protected]] Sent: 01 February 2012 13:50 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] FTDNA accepting uploads from 23andMe! I just tried uploading my sons 23andMe v3 data, and get an error message: "The results file you uploaded appears to contain inadequate data. Please re-download your file and try again." I tried numerous times, with different downloads, and always the same error message. Anyone else getting this? Karen ##################################################################################### Scanned by MailMarshal - M86 Security's comprehensive email content security solution. Download a free evaluation of MailMarshal at www.m86security.com #####################################################################################

Most of us are with you, Michael. I hope so!! CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:25:49 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] FTDNA accepting uploads from 23andMe! > > I too am having a problem trying to upload my mother's results. No luck so far. Maybe this will get worked out tomorrow. > > Michael >

Worked for me. -Wayne Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ 4G on AT&T -----Original message----- From: Dave Miller <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 01:16:16 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] FTDNA accepting uploads from 23andMe! Same thing for me too. Dave(NZ) ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen Zander [[email protected]] Sent: 01 February 2012 13:50 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] FTDNA accepting uploads from 23andMe! I just tried uploading my sons 23andMe v3 data, and get an error message: "The results file you uploaded appears to contain inadequate data. Please re-download your file and try again." I tried numerous times, with different downloads, and always the same error message. Anyone else getting this? Karen ##################################################################################### Scanned by MailMarshal - M86 Security's comprehensive email content security solution. Download a free evaluation of MailMarshal at www.m86security.com ##################################################################################### ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too am having a problem trying to upload my mother's results.  No luck so far.  Maybe this will get worked out tomorrow. Michael

Michael, You will need to create a new account for your mother. CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com > > I have been a FTDNA client since 2007 and I purchased a Family Finder test back in December for myself (since my test at 23andme was the old V2 chip). I would like to upload my mother's 23andme results (V3 chip). Can I up load her results through my existing account or will this require a new account? > > Thanks, > > Michael >

I have been a FTDNA client since 2007 and I purchased a Family Finder test back in December for myself (since my test at 23andme was the old V2 chip).  I would like to upload my mother's 23andme results (V3 chip).  Can I up load her results through my existing account or will this require a new account?   Thanks, Michael ________________________________

Cool - now, CeCe, you just have to tell us that ancestry.com's autosomal results will be released TONIGHT, and everything will be fine!!! ;-) On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:12 PM, CeCe Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > Great news! > Details on my blog: > > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/01/family-tree-dna-now-accepting-23andme.html > CeCe > > > www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > www.studiointv.com > >

I was able to upload data a few minutes after the announcement appeared on the ISOGG list this afternoon. Perhaps the system is overloaded by too many people trying at once? I'd suggest waiting a bit before trying again. There is also a thread at FTDNA, which might be a better place to keep on top of this issue: http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=30268