I hope you're right, that it's been fixed. But if so, they do need to announce it on the members' pages, so the ones who gave up will try again. Diana > From: Larry Vick > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:55 AM > > I think part of the problem is that people may have given up on > trying to load a GEDCOM when the functionality wasn't working.  I > did.  I didn't realize the problem that kept me from being able to > load one had been fixed until I just tried for the who knows how > many times and it worked.  Perhaps FTDNA just needs to say "The > problem is fixed. Give it a try." > > Regards, > > Larry

Hi Diana, My problem is that I can't upload my gedcom. There is a size limit and mine is over the limit. The effort that it would take to reduce the size simply isn't worth it. So one of your campaigns might be to get that size limit removed. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] FF clients not uploading GEDCOMs I just sent the message below to the FTDNA HelpDesk. Perhaps if enough of us press FTDNA to "remind" FF clients to upload a GEDCOM, they might install the feature. Also... I'm going on a campaign to individually email all my FF matchees who haven't uploaded GEDCOMs to please do so. Perhaps if these people get enough requests, they will get off their butts and do it. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: not uploading GEDCOMs > > Every time I work on my FamilyFinder Matches, I become exasperated at > how many test subjects have not uploaded GEDCOMs to their accounts. > What is the point of being tested if you don't share your ancestry?!!! > > Where the match is 4th cousin or closer, I have been emailing my > matchees asking them to please upload a GEDCOM, but this is a lot of > work, and I feel I can only do it once. I have a better solution... > > Please set up the FTDNA software to send an email reminder ONCE A > MONTH to everyone who has been FF tested and not uploaded a GEDCOM. > (The same goes for people who have not entered surnames or earliest > ancestors.) > > We are spending a great deal of money on DNA testing, and it's hard to > maintain enthusiasm for recommending it when you have to tell > prospective clients there's a high probability your genetic matches > won't do you any good because they're not sharing their ancestry. > > And there is a related issue... > > I had an ENORMOUS amount of trouble getting my (perfectly standard) > GEDCOM file to upload. A less persistent person might have given up, > but I did not. Part of the problem is that the server doesn't tell > you that the file didn't upload, much less why it didn't. The page > just bounces back to the client's home page, and some inexperienced > users are not even going to realize their file didn't upload. PLEASE, > at least return an ERROR MESSAGE, so the client realizes their GEDCOM > didn't upload. > > Diana ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

LOL!!! You would have enjoyed the Milgram Experiment. ;-) > From: Greg Matthews > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:01 AM > > After they do that I hope they develop a button that each of us can > purchase for a nominal price ($5 sounds good) that, when pressed, > sends a > minimal, yet increasing in magnitude, electric shock to any > individual who > doesn't respond to emails about matches. I gave up emailing matches > at > 23andme and I've just about done that with FF. I have 5 kits with > FTDNA > and get maybe 1 reply out of 15. I honestly do not see the point of > testing if you aren't going to talk to people about your matches. > > As valuable as the GEDCOMs can be I would find it of more value to > get > people to respond to me, especially on brand new matches. > > Greg Matthews

Also may not be able to crate one due to adoption or a full one due to that. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]>wrote: > I just sent the message below to the FTDNA HelpDesk. Perhaps if > enough of us press FTDNA to "remind" FF clients to upload a GEDCOM, > they might install the feature. Also... > > I'm going on a campaign to individually email all my FF matchees who > haven't uploaded GEDCOMs to please do so. Perhaps if these people get > enough requests, they will get off their butts and do it. > > Diana > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:37 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: not uploading GEDCOMs > > > > Every time I work on my FamilyFinder Matches, I become exasperated > > at how many test subjects have not uploaded GEDCOMs to their > > accounts. What is the point of being tested if you don't share your > > ancestry?!!! > > > > Where the match is 4th cousin or closer, I have been emailing my > > matchees asking them to please upload a GEDCOM, but this is a lot of > > work, and I feel I can only do it once. I have a better solution... > > > > Please set up the FTDNA software to send an email reminder ONCE A > > MONTH to everyone who has been FF tested and not uploaded a GEDCOM. > > (The same goes for people who have not entered surnames or earliest > > ancestors.) > > > > We are spending a great deal of money on DNA testing, and it's hard > > to maintain enthusiasm for recommending it when you have to tell > > prospective clients there's a high probability your genetic matches > > won't do you any good because they're not sharing their ancestry. > > > > And there is a related issue... > > > > I had an ENORMOUS amount of trouble getting my (perfectly standard) > > GEDCOM file to upload. A less persistent person might have given > > up, but I did not. Part of the problem is that the server doesn't > > tell you that the file didn't upload, much less why it didn't. The > > page just bounces back to the client's home page, and some > > inexperienced users are not even going to realize their file didn't > > upload. PLEASE, at least return an ERROR MESSAGE, so the client > > realizes their GEDCOM didn't upload. > > > > Diana > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many people don't even know what a GEDCOM is or how to create one. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]>wrote: > I just sent the message below to the FTDNA HelpDesk. Perhaps if > enough of us press FTDNA to "remind" FF clients to upload a GEDCOM, > they might install the feature. Also... > > I'm going on a campaign to individually email all my FF matchees who > haven't uploaded GEDCOMs to please do so. Perhaps if these people get > enough requests, they will get off their butts and do it. > > Diana > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:37 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: not uploading GEDCOMs > > > > Every time I work on my FamilyFinder Matches, I become exasperated > > at how many test subjects have not uploaded GEDCOMs to their > > accounts. What is the point of being tested if you don't share your > > ancestry?!!! > > > > Where the match is 4th cousin or closer, I have been emailing my > > matchees asking them to please upload a GEDCOM, but this is a lot of > > work, and I feel I can only do it once. I have a better solution... > > > > Please set up the FTDNA software to send an email reminder ONCE A > > MONTH to everyone who has been FF tested and not uploaded a GEDCOM. > > (The same goes for people who have not entered surnames or earliest > > ancestors.) > > > > We are spending a great deal of money on DNA testing, and it's hard > > to maintain enthusiasm for recommending it when you have to tell > > prospective clients there's a high probability your genetic matches > > won't do you any good because they're not sharing their ancestry. > > > > And there is a related issue... > > > > I had an ENORMOUS amount of trouble getting my (perfectly standard) > > GEDCOM file to upload. A less persistent person might have given > > up, but I did not. Part of the problem is that the server doesn't > > tell you that the file didn't upload, much less why it didn't. The > > page just bounces back to the client's home page, and some > > inexperienced users are not even going to realize their file didn't > > upload. PLEASE, at least return an ERROR MESSAGE, so the client > > realizes their GEDCOM didn't upload. > > > > Diana > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

After they do that I hope they develop a button that each of us can purchase for a nominal price ($5 sounds good) that, when pressed, sends a minimal, yet increasing in magnitude, electric shock to any individual who doesn't respond to emails about matches. I gave up emailing matches at 23andme and I've just about done that with FF. I have 5 kits with FTDNA and get maybe 1 reply out of 15. I honestly do not see the point of testing if you aren't going to talk to people about your matches. As valuable as the GEDCOMs can be I would find it of more value to get people to respond to me, especially on brand new matches. Greg Matthews On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]>wrote: > I just sent the message below to the FTDNA HelpDesk. Perhaps if > enough of us press FTDNA to "remind" FF clients to upload a GEDCOM, > they might install the feature. Also... > > I'm going on a campaign to individually email all my FF matchees who > haven't uploaded GEDCOMs to please do so. Perhaps if these people get > enough requests, they will get off their butts and do it. > > Diana > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:37 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: not uploading GEDCOMs > > > > Every time I work on my FamilyFinder Matches, I become exasperated > > at how many test subjects have not uploaded GEDCOMs to their > > accounts. What is the point of being tested if you don't share your > > ancestry?!!! > > > > Where the match is 4th cousin or closer, I have been emailing my > > matchees asking them to please upload a GEDCOM, but this is a lot of > > work, and I feel I can only do it once. I have a better solution... > > > > Please set up the FTDNA software to send an email reminder ONCE A > > MONTH to everyone who has been FF tested and not uploaded a GEDCOM. > > (The same goes for people who have not entered surnames or earliest > > ancestors.) > > > > We are spending a great deal of money on DNA testing, and it's hard > > to maintain enthusiasm for recommending it when you have to tell > > prospective clients there's a high probability your genetic matches > > won't do you any good because they're not sharing their ancestry. > > > > And there is a related issue... > > > > I had an ENORMOUS amount of trouble getting my (perfectly standard) > > GEDCOM file to upload. A less persistent person might have given > > up, but I did not. Part of the problem is that the server doesn't > > tell you that the file didn't upload, much less why it didn't. The > > page just bounces back to the client's home page, and some > > inexperienced users are not even going to realize their file didn't > > upload. PLEASE, at least return an ERROR MESSAGE, so the client > > realizes their GEDCOM didn't upload. > > > > Diana > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just sent the message below to the FTDNA HelpDesk. Perhaps if enough of us press FTDNA to "remind" FF clients to upload a GEDCOM, they might install the feature. Also... I'm going on a campaign to individually email all my FF matchees who haven't uploaded GEDCOMs to please do so. Perhaps if these people get enough requests, they will get off their butts and do it. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: not uploading GEDCOMs > > Every time I work on my FamilyFinder Matches, I become exasperated > at how many test subjects have not uploaded GEDCOMs to their > accounts. What is the point of being tested if you don't share your > ancestry?!!! > > Where the match is 4th cousin or closer, I have been emailing my > matchees asking them to please upload a GEDCOM, but this is a lot of > work, and I feel I can only do it once. I have a better solution... > > Please set up the FTDNA software to send an email reminder ONCE A > MONTH to everyone who has been FF tested and not uploaded a GEDCOM. > (The same goes for people who have not entered surnames or earliest > ancestors.) > > We are spending a great deal of money on DNA testing, and it's hard > to maintain enthusiasm for recommending it when you have to tell > prospective clients there's a high probability your genetic matches > won't do you any good because they're not sharing their ancestry. > > And there is a related issue... > > I had an ENORMOUS amount of trouble getting my (perfectly standard) > GEDCOM file to upload. A less persistent person might have given > up, but I did not. Part of the problem is that the server doesn't > tell you that the file didn't upload, much less why it didn't. The > page just bounces back to the client's home page, and some > inexperienced users are not even going to realize their file didn't > upload. PLEASE, at least return an ERROR MESSAGE, so the client > realizes their GEDCOM didn't upload. > > Diana

They do have a page about what a gedcom is, but it's not easily found. http://www.familytreedna.com/about-gedcom.aspx I've found that most people don't bother to read any of the information provided by FTDNA. They have good FAQs, but at least among my matches, they don't even know they exist. Could it be that the same people who don't know what gedcoms are, don't know what FAQs are? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]>wrote: > If so, then FTDNA needs to add a paragraph explaining what a GEDCOM is > and how to create one. > > Diana > > > > From: Mike Colton > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:26 AM > > > > Many people don't even know what a GEDCOM is or how to create one. > > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think part of the problem is that people may have given up on trying to load a GEDCOM when the functionality wasn't working.  I did.  I didn't realize the problem that kept me from being able to load one had been fixed until I just tried for the who knows how many times and it worked.  Perhaps FTDNA just needs to say "The problem is fixed. Give it a try." Regards, Larry ________________________________ From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:48 AM Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] FF clients not uploading GEDCOMs I just sent the message below to the FTDNA HelpDesk.  Perhaps if enough of us press FTDNA to "remind" FF clients to upload a GEDCOM, they might install the feature.  Also... I'm going on a campaign to individually email all my FF matchees who haven't uploaded GEDCOMs to please do so.  Perhaps if these people get enough requests, they will get off their butts and do it. Diana

Not all listadmins share my views on such messages, so please check with the listadmin before sending one to lists other than mine. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:autosomal-dna- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of CeCe Moore > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:21 PM > To: Autossomal DNA List > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Reminder- 23andMe's price increases at > 5pm PST > > > Thank you, Diana, for the clarification. That is good news. > CeCe > > www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > www.studiointv.com > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:47:57 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Reminder- 23andMe's price increases > at 5pm PST > > > > Hello Cece, > > > > What RootsWeb does not allow is for individuals or companies to > > advertise or promote their products on lists because, if it were > > allowed, lists would be inundated with advertising. But that is > not > > what we're doing when we, as consumers of DNA testing, discuss the > > kinds and costs of DNA tests. DNA testing is simply not something > we > > can do, ourselves, so it inevitable means purchasing it from a > > commercial laboratory, and because price is part of the decision > of > > what and where to test, it needs to be part of the discussion. > > > > Therefore, I actually do allow the posting of prices on my DNA > lists, > > including the announcement of sales - just as long as the poster > isn't > > financially connected to the company being touted. > > > > If you have any doubts whether to post something that might be > > perceived as SPAM, please contact me offlist before posting to see > > whether it's OK. > > > > Diana > > AUTOSOMAL-DNA ListAdmin > > Y-DNA-PROJECTS ListAdmin > > > > > > > > > From: CeCe Moore > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:00 PM > > > > > > Since I can't post prices here, details are on my blog: > > > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/reminder-23andmes- > > > subscription-model.html > > > > > > CeCe

Hello Cece, What RootsWeb does not allow is for individuals or companies to advertise or promote their products on lists because, if it were allowed, lists would be inundated with advertising. But that is not what we're doing when we, as consumers of DNA testing, discuss the kinds and costs of DNA tests. DNA testing is simply not something we can do, ourselves, so it inevitable means purchasing it from a commercial laboratory, and because price is part of the decision of what and where to test, it needs to be part of the discussion. Therefore, I actually do allow the posting of prices on my DNA lists, including the announcement of sales - just as long as the poster isn't financially connected to the company being touted. If you have any doubts whether to post something that might be perceived as SPAM, please contact me offlist before posting to see whether it's OK. Diana AUTOSOMAL-DNA ListAdmin Y-DNA-PROJECTS ListAdmin > From: CeCe Moore > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:00 PM > > Since I can't post prices here, details are on my blog: > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/reminder-23andmes- > subscription-model.html > > CeCe

Thank you, Diana, for the clarification. That is good news. CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:47:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Reminder- 23andMe's price increases at 5pm PST > > Hello Cece, > > What RootsWeb does not allow is for individuals or companies to > advertise or promote their products on lists because, if it were > allowed, lists would be inundated with advertising. But that is not > what we're doing when we, as consumers of DNA testing, discuss the > kinds and costs of DNA tests. DNA testing is simply not something we > can do, ourselves, so it inevitable means purchasing it from a > commercial laboratory, and because price is part of the decision of > what and where to test, it needs to be part of the discussion. > > Therefore, I actually do allow the posting of prices on my DNA lists, > including the announcement of sales - just as long as the poster isn't > financially connected to the company being touted. > > If you have any doubts whether to post something that might be > perceived as SPAM, please contact me offlist before posting to see > whether it's OK. > > Diana > AUTOSOMAL-DNA ListAdmin > Y-DNA-PROJECTS ListAdmin > > > > > From: CeCe Moore > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:00 PM > > > > Since I can't post prices here, details are on my blog: > > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/reminder-23andmes- > > subscription-model.html > > > > CeCe > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since I can't post prices here, details are on my blog: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/reminder-23andmes-subscription-model.html CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

CeCe Thanks, this is great news. I have been mapping my ancestors to specific atDNA segments, and can now tell some who match me on certain segments who their ancestor is. But many of the 23&Me matches dropped out before I was ready - I hope they opt back in so I can contact them. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On May 8, 2012, at 8:37 PM, CeCe Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > Details are on my blog: > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/23andme-eliminates-subscription-model.html > > CeCe > www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > www.studiointv.com >

Wow, Jim! That is great work! I hope they opt back in too. CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:07:41 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] 23andMe eliminates subscription model and announces new price > > CeCe > > Thanks, this is great news. I have been mapping my ancestors to specific atDNA segments, and can now tell some who match me on certain segments who their ancestor is. But many of the 23&Me matches dropped out before I was ready - I hope they opt back in so I can contact them. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On May 8, 2012, at 8:37 PM, CeCe Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Details are on my blog: > > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/23andme-eliminates-subscription-model.html > > > > CeCe > > www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > > www.studiointv.com > > > >

Great news, CeCe! Thanks... -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CeCe Moore Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 7:38 PM To: Autossomal DNA List Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] 23andMe eliminates subscription model and announces new price Details are on my blog: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/23andme-eliminates-subscriptio n-model.html CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Details are on my blog: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/23andme-eliminates-subscription-model.html CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

Well my test kit is being held in Saigon and won't be released unless they open it first. TP-HCM or Saigon is 200 miles away. Suggestions? Sam --- On Mon, 5/7/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: AUTOSOMAL-DNA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 64 To: [email protected] Date: Monday, May 7, 2012, 2:00 AM Today's Topics:    1. Advanced DNA analysis using Chromopainter (Anders P?lsen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:51:24 +0100 (BST) From: Anders P?lsen <[email protected]> Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Advanced DNA analysis using Chromopainter To: Autossomal DNA List <[email protected]> Message-ID:     <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List, ? I have in my recent blogposts found new ways to differentiate ancestry using Chromopainter (not Finestructure). The software provide the following numbers for further analysis: ? * Proportions (that is admixture). * Number of shared segments (ChunkCounts) * Total shared (sum of shared segment sizes)?(ChunkLenght) * Number of mutations, that is number of related but not identical haplotypes. ? These numbers themself are interesting but with some simple arithmetic you can calculate the following: ? * Segmentsize (Total shared segments divided by number of shared segments) * Divergence counts (Number of mutations divided by proportion). ? I have by compared by real data and confirmed the following: ? * Segmentsize increases with more closely related populations * Divergene counts decrease with more closely related populations. ? As an example I have Lithuanians in the Fennoscandia Biographic Project both as project participants and as donor populations. These Lithuanians had the largest segmentsize and the lowest counts of mutations to the donor Lithuanians among the Fennoscandian participants. ? This can open some interesting applications in f.ex detecting and differenciating minority ancestry, f.ex the Siberian mix in Fennoscandians including the Saamis appears to be old. However this would require some more testing using Sibierian and Native American controls and analysis but?this method in?Fennoscandian context it appears to be working. Saamis appears on average to have the largest?mutational divergence?to other European populations while Estonians appears to be the closest. ? Anders ------------------------------ End of AUTOSOMAL-DNA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 64 ********************************************

My review of the genetic genealogy on "Finding Your Roots" last night: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/finding-your-roots-with-henry-louis.html CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

List,   I have in my recent blogposts found new ways to differentiate ancestry using Chromopainter (not Finestructure). The software provide the following numbers for further analysis:   * Proportions (that is admixture). * Number of shared segments (ChunkCounts) * Total shared (sum of shared segment sizes) (ChunkLenght) * Number of mutations, that is number of related but not identical haplotypes.   These numbers themself are interesting but with some simple arithmetic you can calculate the following:   * Segmentsize (Total shared segments divided by number of shared segments) * Divergence counts (Number of mutations divided by proportion).   I have by compared by real data and confirmed the following:   * Segmentsize increases with more closely related populations * Divergene counts decrease with more closely related populations.   As an example I have Lithuanians in the Fennoscandia Biographic Project both as project participants and as donor populations. These Lithuanians had the largest segmentsize and the lowest counts of mutations to the donor Lithuanians among the Fennoscandian participants.   This can open some interesting applications in f.ex detecting and differenciating minority ancestry, f.ex the Siberian mix in Fennoscandians including the Saamis appears to be old. However this would require some more testing using Sibierian and Native American controls and analysis but this method in Fennoscandian context it appears to be working. Saamis appears on average to have the largest mutational divergence to other European populations while Estonians appears to be the closest.   Anders